seriously now

[coolwalker]

I, like probably all of you, read everything I can find about the coming election and while I am aware of the media and their "leaning", I see page after page, site after site showing Obama in the lead. The toss-up states are another thing I look at as well as the electorial college and their numbers...is there something I am missing? s it possible America has turned to face communism and accepted it? Do people actually feel they are entitled to someone else's money because they don't have the same toys? Has Obama so deeply divided America that we are doomed? I talk with family and friends and for the life of me I can't understand their unbridled anger whenever even mentioning Obama...you can literally see their hackles rise and they almost froth at the mouth. I could say Jesus was a Pigmy and they would laugh, but I even mention anything about Obama and I swear they would kill me...even family members. I sometimes read science fiction...not often, but sometimes, and right now I could swear we are in an alternate universe.

Does anyone else see or feel what I do? yes, I do want Romney to win...but I am concerned that he won't.

[Stuck_In_California]

I, like probably all of you, read everything I can find about the coming election and while I am aware of the media and their "leaning", I see page after page, site after site showing Obama in the lead. The toss-up states are another thing I look at as well as the electorial college and their numbers...is there something I am missing? s it possible America has turned to face communism and accepted it? Do people actually feel they are entitled to someone else's money because they don't have the same toys? Has Obama so deeply divided America that we are doomed? I talk with family and friends and for the life of me I can't understand their unbridled anger whenever even mentioning Obama...you can literally see their hackles rise and they almost froth at the mouth. I could say Jesus was a Pigmy and they would laugh, but I even mention anything about Obama and I swear they would kill me...even family members. I sometimes read science fiction...not often, but sometimes, and right now I could swear we are in an alternate universe.

Does anyone else see or feel what I do? yes, I do want Romney to win...but I am concerned that he won't.

Even if he doesn't, it will overall be a Republican gain. The House will just have to block everything he does for 4 years.

[Carygrant]

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting - till the end -
We are the champions -
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions - of the world -


A nice little ditty , apparently penned by our Queen that will make long journeys seem worthwhile .
If you are feeling down , join in the chorus

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting - till the end -
We are the champions -
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions - of the world -

[coolwalker]

Obama is the champion -- my friends
We'll keep on fighting for him - till the end -
He is the champion -
We all are the champions
No time for Mutant
'Cause we are the champions - of the world -

Dolt.

[Trinnity]

I don't think Obama is gonna win. The downside to the press covering for him is that he looks better. But the polls aren't telling the real story.

The upside is the press can't control people and when they go into that booth, they're gonna vote their conscience. The nation is majorly unhappy with Obama. If I were Obama, I'd have my people looking for a house to buy in Hawaii, that's available in January.

[Stuck_In_California]

Dolt.

Mega Dolt

[Carygrant]

So have a glass of cool water to revive your spirits and join the happy sing song

Bring me sunshine in your smile bring me laughter all a while
In this world where we live there should be more happiness
So much joy you can give to each brand new bright tomorrow
Make me happy through the years never bring me any tears
Let your arms be as warm as the sun from up above
Bring me fun bring me sunshine and bring me love
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/j/jack_greene/bring_me_sunshine.html ]
Bring me sunshine in your eyes bring me rainbows from the clear blue skies
Life's too short to be spent having anything but fun
We can be so content if we gather little sunbeams
Be light hearted darlin' all day long keep me singing a happy song
Let your arms be as warm as the sun from up above
Bring me fun bring me sunshine and bring me love
Bring me sunshine in your smile...
Bring me fun bring me sunshine and bring me love


Thought that would make you feel better . Bring me sunshine , la di da
Catchy , isn't it .


And stop feeling SIC . That's very rude .

[texmaster]

Even if he doesn't, its will overall be a Republican gain. The House will just have to block everything he does for 4 years.

I dont agree only for one reason. Supreme Court nominations.

Nothing is more critical.

Absolutely NOTHING.

[patrickt]

Since the Democrats are the only party Carygrunt can vote for he's stuck with Barack Obama.

I think liberals are getting desperate. I've already had two liberals tell me that if Barack Obama doesn't win the cities will go up in flames. Flop sweat isn't pretty and Carygrunt is a fool.

Of course, I don't know who will win. The English vote seems to be going for Obama as does the French vote. The dead will obviously vote for Obama and those with Alzheimers. Foreign nationals in the U.S. without papers will vote for Obama as will those hoping for more Obama Bucks.

So, it could be a close race.

[Carygrant]

Dolt.



Must share . Just know you won't spill Cold walker over it .

Is that Usain Dolt , the guy just like Obama ?
The ones that win the big races .

That's a Cracker -- Frank Carson , Genius .

[Czernobog]

I, like probably all of you, read everything I can find about the coming election and while I am aware of the media and their "leaning", I see page after page, site after site showing Obama in the lead. The toss-up states are another thing I look at as well as the electorial college and their numbers...is there something I am missing? s it possible America has turned to face communism and accepted it? Do people actually feel they are entitled to someone else's money because they don't have the same toys? Has Obama so deeply divided America that we are doomed? I talk with family and friends and for the life of me I can't understand their unbridled anger whenever even mentioning Obama...you can literally see their hackles rise and they almost froth at the mouth. I could say Jesus was a Pigmy and they would laugh, but I even mention anything about Obama and I swear they would kill me...even family members. I sometimes read science fiction...not often, but sometimes, and right now I could swear we are in an alternate universe.

Does anyone else see or feel what I do? yes, I do want Romney to win...but I am concerned that he won't.

I think you are still making the same mistake that Republicans/Conservatives have made this entire election cycle. You are confusing communism with democratic socialism. Is America "embracing" communism? Nope. Are we leaning toward democratic socialism? Yup. And I think the Financial Industry melt-down went a long way toward moving us in that direction. Whether accurate, or not (and I am more than willing to discuss that), the perception of the American public was that what happened on Wall Street, with the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and 8 years of nothing done to reverse that, was a visceral display of unfettered capitalism. So, now, they are willing to try a move in the other direction - they want a government that will protect them from such a debacle ever happening again. They want a government that feels their pain, and says, "We will help you heal,". They do not see a pro-capitalist government promoting these ideas, so they are moving toward socialism.

Does this mean that I think that capitalism is dead? Not at all. I just think that Americans want to try to find a balance between the two extremes.

[Mainecoons]

Do you think that printing 40 billion dollars a month and using it to buy Wall Street's junk paper is reforming Wall Street?

[Czernobog]

Do you think that printing 40 billion dollars a month and using it to buy Wall Street's junk paper is reforming Wall Street?

I never said that it was. I do think that the Dodd-Frank Consumer Protection Act, while not going nearly far enough, would help to reform Wall Street, if the Republicans would just get out of the way, and let it be implemented. Frankly, I think someone needs to have to balls to put Glass-Steagall back where it belongs. But, that's just me.

[coolwalker]

So have a glass of cool water to revive your spirits and join the happy sing song

Bring me sunshine in your smile bring me laughter all a while
In this world where we live there should be more happiness
So much joy you can give to each brand new bright tomorrow
Make me happy through the years never bring me any tears
Let your arms be as warm as the sun from up above
Bring me fun bring me sunshine and bring me love
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/j/jack_greene/bring_me_sunshine.html ]
Bring me sunshine in your eyes bring me rainbows from the clear blue skies
Life's too short to be spent having anything but fun
We can be so content if we gather little sunbeams
Be light hearted darlin' all day long keep me singing a happy song
Let your arms be as warm as the sun from up above
Bring me fun bring me sunshine and bring me love
Bring me sunshine in your smile...
Bring me fun bring me sunshine and bring me love


Thought that would make you feel better . Bring me sunshine , la di da
Catchy , isn't it .


And stop feeling SIC . That's very rude .


do you drink all the time or only when you're awake?

[Chris]

Are we leaning toward democratic socialism? Yup.

Democratic socialism, the worst, most insidious form of socialism, central planning instead of by ownership of capital the management of it through taxation and regulation, the way a parasite feeds on a body that thinks it's free and independent.

[Stuck_In_California]

Must share . Just know you won't spill Cold walker over it .

Is that Usain Dolt , the guy just like Obama ?
The ones that win the big races .

That's a Cracker -- Frank Carson , Genius .

Are you on drugs old man?

[Czernobog]

Democratic socialism, the worst, most insidious form of socialism, central planning instead of by ownership of capital the management of it through taxation and regulation, the way a parasite feeds on a body that thinks it's free and independent.

I would agree whole-heartedly. I don't think either system, in its pure form, is either healthy, or productive. Neither do most Americans, which is why most of us are trying to find a healthy balance somewhere in the middle.

[Deadwood]

I, like probably all of you, read everything I can find about the coming election and while I am aware of the media and their "leaning", I see page after page, site after site showing Obama in the lead. The toss-up states are another thing I look at as well as the electorial college and their numbers...is there something I am missing? s it possible America has turned to face communism and accepted it? Do people actually feel they are entitled to someone else's money because they don't have the same toys? Has Obama so deeply divided America that we are doomed? I talk with family and friends and for the life of me I can't understand their unbridled anger whenever even mentioning Obama...you can literally see their hackles rise and they almost froth at the mouth. I could say Jesus was a Pigmy and they would laugh, but I even mention anything about Obama and I swear they would kill me...even family members. I sometimes read science fiction...not often, but sometimes, and right now I could swear we are in an alternate universe.

Does anyone else see or feel what I do? yes, I do want Romney to win...but I am concerned that he won't.



This is the very problem I'm having. Most of my friends in the US are middle or left and usually or always vote Democrat. NOT ONE of them will do so this time. So, where the hell is this "in the lead" shit coming from?

[Trinnity]

The old guard media is controlling the perception and skewing the polls. People are not fooled. Obama's goin' down.

[Deadwood]

Dolt.

Ahem.....don't anyone tell that slimy troll that he is not allowed to vote.

Let hiom keep thinking he actually means something. He's a lonely little toothless troll with no friends.

[Captain Obvious]

Do you think that printing 40 billion dollars a month and using it to buy Wall Street's junk paper is reforming Wall Street?

It's called flushing the cistern.

[Stuck_In_California]

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[patrickt]

czerbonog: "I think you are still making the same mistake that Republicans/Conservatives have made this entire election cycle. You are confusing communism with democratic socialism. Is America "embracing" communism? Nope. Are we leaning toward democratic socialism? Yup."

Sorry, Charlie, but "America" is not leaning towards socialism or communism. The communist are leaning towards socialism as a step towards their dream of a communist country.

As far as confusing communism and socialism it's rather like confusing Southern Baptist and Church of Christ. For anyone other than the faithful it doesn't make a bit of difference.

[Stuck_In_California]

czerbonog: "I think you are still making the same mistake that Republicans/Conservatives have made this entire election cycle. You are confusing communism with democratic socialism. Is America "embracing" communism? Nope. Are we leaning toward democratic socialism? Yup."

Sorry, Charlie, but "America" is not leaning towards socialism or communism. The communist are leaning towards socialism as a step towards their dream of a communist country.

As far as confusing communism and socialism it's rather like confusing Southern Baptist and Church of Christ. For anyone other than the faithful it doesn't make a bit of difference.

I read a poll that said people under 25 years of age favor socialism over capitalism, no doubt a result of the old hippie freaks who teach at most crusty old universities.

25 years from now, when these kids are 50, do you think you'll be able to say that America is not leaning towards socialism or communism?

[patrickt]

I read a poll that said people under 25 years of age favor socialism over capitalism, no doubt a result of the old hippie freaks who teach at most crusty old universities.

25 years from now, when these kids are 50, do you think you'll be able to say that America is not leaning towards socialism or communism?

There are two demographic groups who seem to think it's the natural order of things for someone else to support them. One is adolescents. Daddy should be supporting them and if he isn't then it's only right and proper the taxpayers should do it. They are special and what they "want" should be critically important to everyone. They are very easily manipulated. And, adolescence is firmly established by age. I have met 60-year old adolescents and I have met some very mature 20-year old but demographics deal with norm.

[Carygrant]

do you drink all the time or only when you're awake?


You are right for once Cool water about cool water . We share this addiction -- mine tends to be sparkling , but even though it is supposed to be not as good for you , it matches my nature .

[Akula]

There are two demographic groups who seem to think it's the natural order of things for someone else to support them. One is adolescents. Daddy should be supporting them and if he isn't then it's only right and proper the taxpayers should do it. They are special and what they "want" should be critically important to everyone. They are very easily manipulated. And, adolescence is firmly established by age. I have met 60-year old adolescents and I have met some very mature 20-year old but demographics deal with norm.

Great post.

[Czernobog]

czerbonog: "I think you are still making the same mistake that Republicans/Conservatives have made this entire election cycle. You are confusing communism with democratic socialism. Is America "embracing" communism? Nope. Are we leaning toward democratic socialism? Yup."

Sorry, Charlie, but "America" is not leaning towards socialism or communism. The communist are leaning towards socialism as a step towards their dream of a communist country.

As far as confusing communism and socialism it's rather like confusing Southern Baptist and Church of Christ. For anyone other than the faithful it doesn't make a bit of difference.

The fact that you keep insisting on equating socialism, and communism only indicates a lack of understanding of the difference. The fact is that we have, for many years, had numerous socialist programs, and that none of them have ever stopped us from being a democracy, and none of them has ever prevented us from pursuing capitalist interests. Again, you want to draw this false dichotomy, as if we must be one, or the other; as if there cannot be a middle where we take the best from both systems, and find a balance to the health, and well-being of everyone. This has been the greatest short-coming of the Modern Republican Party's (gods I miss the GOP) view post-Tea Party - there can be no compromise; to give up one inch of one's position is nothing less than capitulation. Until you are able to move off of that line of "necessary absolutes" then you ensure that the only way that any movement that ever gets done in Washington is with absolute control by one party, or the other. That was never meant to be how our system was supposed to run.

[Peter1469]

When we are on a fiscal cliff compromise means spending more, just less than the dems want too. Doesn't help, does it?

You still go over the cliff. No compromise makes sense.

[Czernobog]

When we are on a fiscal cliff compromise means spending more, just less than the dems want too. Doesn't help, does it?

You still go over the cliff. No compromise makes sense.

Uh...you need to think about what you just said. "...compromise means spending more...". You're implication means that you want all spending to come to a complete hault. You do realise that the only way to accomplish that would be to literally shut down the government, right? Thus compromise isn't about no spending vs sending more. compromise is about what​ we spend on, and how much. It is also about how to raise revenues in order to cover the spending levels that are agreed to.

[Peter1469]

Uh...you need to think about what you just said. "...compromise means spending more...". You're implication means that you want all spending to come to a complete hault. You do realise that the only way to accomplish that would be to literally shut down the government, right? Thus compromise isn't about no spending vs sending more. compromise is about what​ we spend on, and how much. It is also about how to raise revenues in order to cover the spending levels that are agreed to.

You are catching on now. I want the federal government to limit spending to what the US Constitution authorizes. The bulk of that is found in Art. 1 sec. 8, US Constitution. If we even tried to do that federal spending would drop like a rock.

[Czernobog]

You are catching on now. I want the federal government to limit spending to what the US Constitution authorizes. The bulk of that is found in Art. 1 sec. 8, US Constitution. If we even tried to do that federal spending would drop like a rock.

So would we. Greece within a year. That'd be fun...

[Peter1469]

So would we. Greece within a year. That'd be fun...

How so? You do realize that the Greek economic problem is too much debt with not structural way of dealing with it (because it is in the Eurozone).

[Akula]

So would we. Greece within a year. That'd be fun...

One can only cook the books and manipulate the money for so long until it becomes unsustainable anyway...

We are borrowing money to pay the interest on our current debts.

If they raised the tax rate on the evil, hateful "rich" to 99%, it STILL wouldn't cover a month of government expenditures which is currently somewhere around 10 billion per day..

When expenditures exceed income....That is called "bankruptcy".
The more money we print, the less valuable it becomes...That is called "common sense".

[Chris]

I would agree whole-heartedly. I don't think either system, in its pure form, is either healthy, or productive. Neither do most Americans, which is why most of us are trying to find a healthy balance somewhere in the middle.

Actually, what I'm trying to say is that that is worse than either extreme. Under European-style social democracy, capitalism is left somewhat free, the capital left in the hands of property owners who are free to make business decisions in the market, but socialist central planners subjugate that capitalism to taxation and regulation to siphon off what they need to redesign society and redistribute wealth (down, or up). It's what we might call neo-socialism/neo-liberalism. Socialists know they cannot solve Mises' economic calculation problem or Hayek's problem of knowledge in society, so they leave capitalism to do that while they manage the profits. Robert Reich, a socialist, exlains in The Answer Isn't Socialism; It's Capitalism That Better Spreads the Benefits of the Productivity Revolution (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-answer-isnt-socialism_b_1491243.html).

It's insidious because it disguises ever increasing dependence on a false impression of freedom.

[patrickt]

Czernnobog: "|The fact that you keep insisting on equating socialism, and communism only indicates a lack of understanding of the difference."

And your statement simply indicates your inability to understand that the differences are significant only to the faithful. Socialism is a path to communism. It's a path that communists recognize you pass through. Muslims will explain, endlessly, how Islam is a logical progression from Christianity. And, like you, the faithful will argue endlessly.

"The fact is that we have, for many years, had numerous socialist programs, and that none of them have ever stopped us from being a democracy, and none of them has ever prevented us from pursuing capitalist interests."

And, a democracy is not incompatible with any system. Adolph Hitler and Fascism were voted in in Germany. Communism was very popular in Cuba and if they'd had democratic election they would have won for awhile. And, socialism and capitalism are incompatible in that socialism is not financially sustaining. Social Security is going broke in the U.S, Medicare and Medicaid are going broke, and a welfare system that has almost half the people on dole isn't sustainable. Socialism is merely a means to attaining communism. Communism and capitalism are incompatible. Capitalism is not compatible with financially insolvent government programs.

[Czernobog]

Czernnobog: "|The fact that you keep insisting on equating socialism, and communism only indicates a lack of understanding of the difference."

And your statement simply indicates your inability to understand that the differences are significant only to the faithful. Socialism is a path to communism. It's a path that communists recognize you pass through. Muslims will explain, endlessly, how Islam is a logical progression from Christianity. And, like you, the faithful will argue endlessly.
Well, I guess this is where our discussion ends. Two people cannot have a discussion when they live according to two separate realities. Have a good day.

[Deadwood]

Well, I guess this is where our discussion ends. Two people cannot have a discussion when they live according to two separate realities. Have a good day.

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And what could be more open minded than that....?


"There is no one so blind as those who refuse to look."

I don't have a clue who said it, but it is appropos...

[That's French for 'appropriate']

[Czernobog]

And what could be more open minded than that....?


"There is no one so blind as those who refuse to look."

I don't have a clue who said it, but it is appropos...

[That's French for 'appropriate']

People are allowed their own opinions. I will not debate people who insist on bringing their own facts. I am kind of close minded like that. I expect everyone to start from the same basic reality.