Trump Vows NOT to Release Taxes

[Cigar]

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday said he won’t release his tax returns, saying there is “nothing to learn from them.”

Read: Trump says he will be first candidate since 1976 not to release tax returns

Tax specialists, however, disagree.

There’s no legal requirement for a presidential candidate to make his or her tax returns public but every major party nominee since 1976 has done so — often well before winning the nomination. The likely Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, has posted 8 years of returns.

Trump boasts that he pays as little in taxes as possible but he’s not showing, or telling, the voters exactly how he does that.

So what could Trump be worried about revealing?

If Trump releases all the detailed schedules, the tax returns could provide information about his use, if any, of tax avoidance strategies including offshore companies and foreign bank accounts in countries that guarantee secrecy. Trump’s name, however, does not come up in the searchable database of the Panama Papers, the name given to the trove of documents taken from a Panamanian law firm that was publicly released.

ack Blum, a former staff attorney with the Senate Antitrust Subcommittee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who now leads the not-for-profit Tax Justice Network USA, says there are a number of things Trump’s tax returns can show voters that campaign disclosure forms, filed in July 2015, cannot.

“Without question a man involved in as many real estate deals as Donald Trump will have taken full advantages of all the real estate loopholes and tax benefits,” said Blum. “His tax returns will show us how far he pushed the envelope to turn ordinary income into capital gains, defer the payment of tax through ‘like-kind exchanges’ and otherwise create an impenetrable maze for IRS auditors.”

The campaign disclosure forms also provide a range of values for Trump’s various intangible assets that generate an estimated $131.25 million in income for lending his name to hotel and condo developments and products including cologne, mattresses, steaks and energy drinks. Trump’s tax returns could verify the licensing and royalty income he put on his disclosure forms and that he provided to Forbes for its recent 400 richest Americans list.

Trump says his personal brand is worth almost $3.3 billion. Forbes, in its most recent 400 richest Americans list, put a value of the assets that generate royalty and licensing income at approximately $375 million. The magazine says it does not give anyone credit for goodwill associated with their name. Forbes’ editors believe the net worth of rich Americans will already incorporate any value derived from their names. After Forbes spoke with 20 brand experts, anonymously, none of them agreed with Trump’s $3 billion figure. However, none of them thought his brand was worthless, either.

Trump’s tax returns would also provide plenty of information about revenue and expense items that were not on the campaign disclosure forms, including personal mortgages, charitable deductions, unusual tax credits, foreign investments including bank accounts in tax havens, and an overall federal tax rate.

For example, the line on the return associated with Trump’s real estate income could be confusing to non-experts, says Andrew Schmidt, a professor of accounting and tax at North Carolina State University. “Trump’s real estate activities likely generate substantial tax deductions: depreciation, interest, and many other legitimate expenses. That means the amount reported on his return for those activities will look lower than most voters expect,” said Schmidt. “In fact, Trump may even report a tax loss for many of his real estate activities. His supporters may unwittingly equate tax losses with financial reporting losses and question Trump’s overall business acumen, especially if some of Trump’s more prominent properties generate tax losses.”

One asset Trump wasn’t interested in arguing with Forbes about was cash. The Trump team told Forbes to use whatever figure they wanted, perhaps to avoid any discussion of whether he has accounts in Switzerland or other banking secrecy havens.

Read more: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/just-what-controversies-could-trumps-tax-returns-expose-2016-03-21


:grin: With that said ... let's have another Benghazi Hearing ... :laugh: because Hillary is hiding something

[domer76]

The tax returns will expose just another set of lies.

[gamewell45]

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday said he won’t release his tax returns, saying there is “nothing to learn from them.”

Read: Trump says he will be first candidate since 1976 not to release tax returns

Tax specialists, however, disagree.

There’s no legal requirement for a presidential candidate to make his or her tax returns public but every major party nominee since 1976 has done so — often well before winning the nomination. The likely Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, has posted 8 years of returns.

Trump boasts that he pays as little in taxes as possible but he’s not showing, or telling, the voters exactly how he does that.

So what could Trump be worried about revealing?

If Trump releases all the detailed schedules, the tax returns could provide information about his use, if any, of tax avoidance strategies including offshore companies and foreign bank accounts in countries that guarantee secrecy. Trump’s name, however, does not come up in the searchable database of the Panama Papers, the name given to the trove of documents taken from a Panamanian law firm that was publicly released.

ack Blum, a former staff attorney with the Senate Antitrust Subcommittee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who now leads the not-for-profit Tax Justice Network USA, says there are a number of things Trump’s tax returns can show voters that campaign disclosure forms, filed in July 2015, cannot.

“Without question a man involved in as many real estate deals as Donald Trump will have taken full advantages of all the real estate loopholes and tax benefits,” said Blum. “His tax returns will show us how far he pushed the envelope to turn ordinary income into capital gains, defer the payment of tax through ‘like-kind exchanges’ and otherwise create an impenetrable maze for IRS auditors.”

The campaign disclosure forms also provide a range of values for Trump’s various intangible assets that generate an estimated $131.25 million in income for lending his name to hotel and condo developments and products including cologne, mattresses, steaks and energy drinks. Trump’s tax returns could verify the licensing and royalty income he put on his disclosure forms and that he provided to Forbes for its recent 400 richest Americans list.

Trump says his personal brand is worth almost $3.3 billion. Forbes, in its most recent 400 richest Americans list, put a value of the assets that generate royalty and licensing income at approximately $375 million. The magazine says it does not give anyone credit for goodwill associated with their name. Forbes’ editors believe the net worth of rich Americans will already incorporate any value derived from their names. After Forbes spoke with 20 brand experts, anonymously, none of them agreed with Trump’s $3 billion figure. However, none of them thought his brand was worthless, either.

Trump’s tax returns would also provide plenty of information about revenue and expense items that were not on the campaign disclosure forms, including personal mortgages, charitable deductions, unusual tax credits, foreign investments including bank accounts in tax havens, and an overall federal tax rate.

For example, the line on the return associated with Trump’s real estate income could be confusing to non-experts, says Andrew Schmidt, a professor of accounting and tax at North Carolina State University. “Trump’s real estate activities likely generate substantial tax deductions: depreciation, interest, and many other legitimate expenses. That means the amount reported on his return for those activities will look lower than most voters expect,” said Schmidt. “In fact, Trump may even report a tax loss for many of his real estate activities. His supporters may unwittingly equate tax losses with financial reporting losses and question Trump’s overall business acumen, especially if some of Trump’s more prominent properties generate tax losses.”

One asset Trump wasn’t interested in arguing with Forbes about was cash. The Trump team told Forbes to use whatever figure they wanted, perhaps to avoid any discussion of whether he has accounts in Switzerland or other banking secrecy havens.

Read more: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/just-what-controversies-could-trumps-tax-returns-expose-2016-03-21


:grin: With that said ... let's have another Benghazi Hearing ... :laugh: because Hillary is hiding something


I sort of figured that Trump would find a way or excuse to wiggle out of letting the public examine his tax returns. I don't think he's a completely honest person. I hope the Dems play this one up. He's so predictable.

[nathanbforrest45]

OMG OMG OMG

Its the end of the world. Take the bastard out and shoot him now.

OMG OMG OMG

What an evil person.

OMG OMG OMG

I'll bet he won't tell us how many times he has sex with his wife either.

[zelmo1234]

I don't think we have had someone if his wealth run for the presidency before.

I don't have an issue with it. As a matter of fact I don't think any of them should.

That being said, he will have to do what Romney did and Release his 2015 returns. It just will have to happen.

By the By? has Hillary released her returns yet? I think that many on the left will be surprised at just how much money the Clintons get from the Foundation.

[JDubya]

If he doesn't release them by time the campaign season is in full swing, Hillary needs to use it like a nail-spiked club to just beat him with relentlessly until he's dead.

[domer76]

OMG OMG OMG

Its the end of the world. Take the bastard out and shoot him now.

OMG OMG OMG

What an evil person.

OMG OMG OMG

I'll bet he won't tell us how many times he has sex with his wife either.

Or his daughter

[domer76]

I don't think we have had someone if his wealth run for the presidency before.

I don't have an issue with it. As a matter of fact I don't think any of them should.

That being said, he will have to do what Romney did and Release his 2015 returns. It just will have to happen.

By the By? has Hillary released her returns yet? I think that many on the left will be surprised at just how much money the Clintons get from the Foundation.

The article said she has released 8 years of returns.

[Cigar]

I don't think we have had someone if his wealth run for the presidency before.

I don't have an issue with it. As a matter of fact I don't think any of them should.

That being said, he will have to do what Romney did and Release his 2015 returns. It just will have to happen.

By the By? has Hillary released her returns yet? I think that many on the left will be surprised at just how much money the Clintons get from the Foundation.


Do you think there's anything secret about the Clintons ... after 25 years :laugh:

[Private Pickle]

Do you think there's anything secret about the Clintons ... after 25 years :laugh:

Oh hell yeah.

[Mark III]

Trump has already admitted he pays little in taxes. He blurted it out some months ago.

He said people would be surprised to see how little he pays in taxes.

I think he is now rethinking the wisdom of making that brag.

[zelmo1234]

Do you think there's anything secret about the Clintons ... after 25 years :laugh:

Do you think that the Donald has any secrets? They both are public figures I am guessing that every year since he switched from a Democrat to a Republican. He has been audited.

So the only thing people really want to know is how much money does he have.

The Clinton foundations is under investigation so that will all be public. as well

[JDubya]

I don't think we have had someone if his wealth run for the presidency before.

I don't have an issue with it. As a matter of fact I don't think any of them should.

That being said, he will have to do what Romney did and Release his 2015 returns. It just will have to happen.

By the By? has Hillary released her returns yet? I think that many on the left will be surprised at just how much money the Clintons get from the Foundation.

She's released all of them from 2000 through 2014 so far.

Tax History Project (http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns)

Hillary Clinton.com (http://https://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/)

[zelmo1234]

Trump has already admitted he pays little in taxes. He blurted it out some months ago.

He said people would be surprised to see how little he pays in taxes.

I think he is now rethinking the wisdom of making that brag.

Why?

As long as he is following the law? Most of his income is investment income. So he is paying capital gains and not income taxes.

Hate the Game, not the Player.

[Cigar]

Do you think that the Donald has any secrets? They both are public figures I am guessing that every year since he switched from a Democrat to a Republican. He has been audited.

So the only thing people really want to know is how much money does he have.

The Clinton foundations is under investigation so that will all be public. as well


The difference is ... you're guessing and I'm not :laugh:

[Cigar]

Why?

As long as he is following the law? Most of his income is investment income. So he is paying capital gains and not income taxes.

Hate the Game, not the Player.


Typical Trump Apologist ... just Trust Me, I'm Great :laugh:

[Mark III]

OMG OMG OMG

Its the end of the world. Take the $#@! out and shoot him now.

OMG OMG OMG

What an evil person.

OMG OMG OMG

I'll bet he won't tell us how many times he has sex with his wife either.

EVERY single presidential candidate since 1976 has released his tax returns. Who the f-ck is Trump to say no?

[zelmo1234]

The difference is ... you're guessing and I'm not :laugh:

OH!! I think through the investigation of the Clinton foundation there will be plenty of Secrets come out

[JDubya]

EVERY single presidential candidate since 1976 has released his tax returns. Who the f-ck is Trump to say no?

If Hillary refused to release hers is there any doubt what the right would be howling right now??

The noise would be deafening.

[Mark III]

Why?

As long as he is following the law? Most of his income is investment income. So he is paying capital gains and not income taxes.

Hate the Game, not the Player.

The "little guy" wants to see that the big guys pay taxes too. I have a strong feeling Trump paid next to nothing in taxes. Otherwise he would release it.

In fact, if there is everything up and up about his taxes he would release them. It's pretty much that simple.

[FindersKeepers]

Or his daughter

Are we still talking about Trump? Or, is this about the Obama and his daughter, Malia, rumors?

[Cigar]

Are we still talking about Trump? Or, is this about the Obama and his daughter, Malia, rumors?


Are we still talking about Benghazi - 2012, Billy Blow Jobs - 1998 ?

Oh ... yea ... we are :laugh:

[domer76]

Why?

As long as he is following the law? Most of his income is investment income. So he is paying capital gains and not income taxes.

Hate the Game, not the Player.

He won't release them as they will reveal more lies.

[domer76]

Are we still talking about Trump? Or, is this about the Obama and his daughter, Malia, rumors?

We're talking about Trump doing his daughter. Incest, pedophelia and toss is his adultery and you've got the trifecta of Biblical sins. Priceless!

[FindersKeepers]

He won't release them as they will reveal more lies.



Damn him for not succumbing to liberal pressure to do something he's not required to do. :grin:

[zelmo1234]

Well the Clintons left the WH Broke according to Hillary and according to her Tax Returns have made just shy of 700 million Since they left.

Not bad. They pay about 18% in taxes.

[zelmo1234]

He won't release them as they will reveal more lies.

Like what?

He already released his financial statements

[zelmo1234]

I think that it is funny that the left talks about Trump Lying?

If you just look at the lies, that have been proven to be lies that Hillary told as S of State, Trump will never catch up?

[Cigar]

Damn him for not succumbing to liberal pressure to do something he's not required to do. :grin:


WTF :laugh: ...

[Cigar]

I think that it is funny that the left talks about Trump Lying?

If you just look at the lies, that have been proven to be lies that Hillary told as S of State, Trump will never catch up?


I think that it is funnier that the right talks about Hillary Lying?

You make want to try Fact-Checking Trump before making excuses for him.

[FindersKeepers]

We're talking about Trump doing his daughter. Incest, pedophelia and toss is his adultery and you've got the trifecta of Biblical sins. Priceless!

Let's include Obama doing his daughter and then we can see if we think this behavior is more commonplace in those who want to be President.

147071470814709

She's kinda old to be holding her dad's hand, and notice how her fingers are not grabbing his hand -- as if she's uncomfortable.

Is this presidential behavior?

[domer76]

Damn him for not succumbing to liberal pressure to do something he's not required to do. :grin:

I didn't say he was required. I said releasing them reveals more lies. Comprende?

[domer76]

Like what?

He already released his financial statements

How much money he makes versus what he says.
The types of tax loopholes he uses.
How much he gives in charities versus how much he claims.
Where he stashes his money.

I'm no tax accountant, but there's a laundry list of things his returns will reveal about his lies.

[zelmo1234]

Let's include Obama doing his daughter and then we can see if we think this behavior is more commonplace in those who want to be President.

147071470814709

She's kinda old to be holding her dad's hand, and notice how her fingers are not grabbing his hand -- as if she's uncomfortable.

Is this presidential behavior?

That Pervert!

If you look at how the Presidents Kids Turned out, and How Donald Trump's Kids turned out.

One can only guess that they both did something right.

But the left it going to use the tried a true tactic of taking the conversation into the gutter, thinking that the GOP like in the past will not follow.

What they don't understand is Trump will take it into the sewer. And they are not handling being on the other side of the character assignation business

[zelmo1234]

How much money he makes versus what he says.
The types of tax loopholes he uses.
How much he gives in charities versus how much he claims.
Where he stashes his money.

I'm no tax accountant, but there's a laundry list of things his returns will reveal about his lies.

Take a look at the Clinton Returns you will find that every year they get a Foreign investment tax credit?

And as far a Charity? They are not givers either. considering that they skim off 85% of the donations to the Clinton foundations for operational fees and pay nothing on that?

I don't think that the Clinton folks are going to bitch too much about the taxes issue.

And being worth 10 billion and making 10 Billion are 2 different things. I would suspect that his income is actually around 100 million a year.

[FindersKeepers]

I didn't say he was required. I said releasing them reveals more lies. Comprende?

In order to make that statement honestly, you'd have to have seen the returns.

Of course -- you haven't -- so, it's just so much hot air.

Does the saying, "laboring over dunghills" mean anything to you? :evil:

This is going to be an interesting election year. Already, the libs are resorting to desperate measures.

[AZ Jim]

I don't think we have had someone if his wealth run for the presidency before.

I don't have an issue with it. As a matter of fact I don't think any of them should.

That being said, he will have to do what Romney did and Release his 2015 returns. It just will have to happen.

By the By? has Hillary released her returns yet? I think that many on the left will be surprised at just how much money the Clintons get from the Foundation.Why did I know you and the other lemmings would find no fault in him concealing more of his lies? If he's elected think how much pride you'll have in having elected him!

[FindersKeepers]

Why did I know you and the other lemmings would find no fault in him concealing more of his lies? If he's elected think how much pride you'll have in having elected him!


What goes around, comes around. Think how embarrassed thinking Americans have been the last few years by our mamby-pamby President?

Of course, Hillary is embarrassing, as well.

Looks like we're in for another embarrassing term no matter which way it goes.

[domer76]

Take a look at the Clinton Returns you will find that every year they get a Foreign investment tax credit?

And as far a Charity? They are not givers either. considering that they skim off 85% of the donations to the Clinton foundations for operational fees and pay nothing on that?

I don't think that the Clinton folks are going to bitch too much about the taxes issue.

And being worth 10 billion and making 10 Billion are 2 different things. I would suspect that his income is actually around 100 million a year.

The point is that we CAN and HAVE looked at the Clinton's returns.

[domer76]

In order to make that statement honestly, you'd have to have seen the returns.

Of course -- you haven't -- so, it's just so much hot air.

Does the saying, "laboring over dunghills" mean anything to you? :evil:

This is going to be an interesting election year. Already, the libs are resorting to desperate measures.

Requesting the same protocol that has been going on for 40 years is desperate? lol

[zelmo1234]

Why did I know you and the other lemmings would find no fault in him concealing more of his lies? If he's elected think how much pride you'll have in having elected him!

You really need to take the time to read the entire posts.

If you had, You will see that I said I did not think that ANY of them should have to do that! Because it really is none of our business.

Then you would notice that I said that I thought he would be forced to.

Now it could be that you just can't read??? So here is a link that might help

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-Childrens-Beginner-Readers-Books/zgbs/digital-text/7090588011

[AZ Jim]

What goes around, comes around. Think how embarrassed thinking Americans have been the last few years by our mamby-pamby President?

Of course, Hillary is embarrassing, as well.

Looks like we're in for another embarrassing term no matter which way it goes.Yeah! We were so embarrassed we only elected the President (Obama) twice just like we did Bill Clinton.

[zelmo1234]

The point is that we CAN and HAVE looked at the Clinton's returns.

And Like I said in an earlier post I don't think that she should have had to do that.

that she did we can surmise that they really have NO clue as to what the middle class are going through as she claims and that they are in fact in the top .01% income bracket and that it is likely that most of the people that work for them pay a high % tax than they do.

And that has 0 to do with being President of the USA

[AZ Jim]

You really need to take the time to read the entire posts.

If you had, You will see that I said I did not think that ANY of them should have to do that! Because it really is none of our business.

Then you would notice that I said that I thought he would be forced to.

Now it could be that you just can't read??? So here is a link that might help

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-Childrens-Beginner-Readers-Books/zgbs/digital-text/7090588011

uh huh.....jesus what a four flusher you are.

[zelmo1234]

Yeah! We were so embarrassed we only elected the President (Obama) twice just like we did Bill Clinton.

GWB was elected twice. Reagan Was Elected Twice. Bush #1 only one term Carter only one Term. Nixon / Ford 2 terms Kennedy/ Johnson

What are you trying to say?

[zelmo1234]

uh huh.....jesus what a floor flusher you are.

So you can't read??? Or did you not understand what I was saying

[AZ Jim]

So you can't read??? Or did you not understand what I was sayingDon't talk back to your superiors, junior.

[bdtex]

If Hillary refused to release hers is there any doubt what the right would be howling right now??

The noise would be deafening.

No doubt at all.

[Quicksilver]

No doubt at all.

I wonder how many threads we would have about it by now?

[zelmo1234]

Don't talk back to your superiors, junior.

Shit, I would not hire someone like you to scrape Dog shit of my old shoes.

I have 10 year olds in my Sunday school class that deserve more honor and respect that you do

[Safety]

Obama was asked to release his college transcripts that no other presidential candidate or president has been asked to do, the cons have a nerdfit for the last 8 years about he's hiding something.

Trump said he will not release his tax records, like every other presidential candidate has done since 1976, the same cons think he walks on water....

'murica.

[Quicksilver]

http://www.politicalruminations.com/images/charts-graphs/iokiyar.jpg

[Cigar]

Let's include Obama doing his daughter and then we can see if we think this behavior is more commonplace in those who want to be President.

147071470814709

She's kinda old to be holding her dad's hand, and notice how her fingers are not grabbing his hand -- as if she's uncomfortable.

Is this presidential behavior?


What does Obama or his Daughters have to do with this Tread? :huh:

[Cigar]

GWB was elected twice. Reagan Was Elected Twice. Bush #1 only one term Carter only one Term. Nixon / Ford 2 terms Kennedy/ Johnson

What are you trying to say?


Bull Sh!t .. GW Bush was given a Term my The Supreme Court not the people who Voted.

Then September 11 reminded us all of the mistake

[Cigar]

There are no good reasons for ‘Dodging Donald’ Trump to withhold his tax returnsDonald Trump is a liar and a fraud. He’s worth far less than he says he is. He owes far more. He uses every trick in the book to scam the public purse out of its due, leaving you and me to pick up the tab for everything from defense to border patrols.

Oh, yeah — and he hardly gives anything to charities and good causes, not even for veterans, despite all his pious claims to the contrary.

Those are the inevitable suspicions after Trump’s latest “ha-ha, fooled you!” moment. He has just said he won’t release his tax returns after all — or, at least, not until after the November election, when it will be moot.

A few months ago he was assuring Republican primary voters that his returns were on their way, once a “routine audit” was under way.

We can safely assume that the Trumpanzees will respond to the latest slap in the face in their usual way — namely, shouting “Libtard!” at anyone who criticizes their Leader.

I’m becoming increasingly suspicious that Trump’s entire campaign is just a big joke to see how stupid many modern Republicans really are. When he shuts the door at the end of the day, he must think: “Can you believe this crap? These people will buy anything!”

Of course, that’s a realization he first reached by selling Trump Collection ties.

There are no good reasons for “Dodging Donald” to withhold his tax returns. The only one that is plausible is that he has something to hide.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/there-are-no-good-reasons-for-dodging-donald-trump-to-withhold-his-tax-returns-2016-05-11

[FindersKeepers]

Requesting the same protocol that has been going on for 40 years is desperate? lol



Request away -- more power to ya.

But, getting all huffed up over a candidate not releasing his private tax returns is funny.

[FindersKeepers]

Yeah! We were so embarrassed we only elected the President (Obama) twice just like we did Bill Clinton.

You're mistaking the NUMBER of voters with voter integrity.

You have much to learn, grasshopper.

[Cigar]

Request away -- more power to ya.

But, getting all huffed up over a candidate not releasing his private tax returns is funny.


Is releasing medical records for President funny also?

[Cigar]

You're mistaking the NUMBER of voters with voter integrity.

You have much to learn, grasshopper.


Term 1 = 9,500,000 Votes

Term 2 = 5,000,000 Votes

Total 14,000,000

Real Close I see :tongue:

[AZ Jim]

You're mistaking the NUMBER of voters with voter integrity.

You have much to learn, grasshopper.I was learning when you were still shitting your diapers, small fry.

[Quicksilver]

Request away -- more power to ya.

But, getting all huffed up over a candidate not releasing his private tax returns is funny.

How funny would you have thought it to be if either Clinton, or Obama refused to release their private tax returns?

[FindersKeepers]

Is releasing medical records for President funny also?

They are just as private and nobody but the candidate's business.

[FindersKeepers]

I was learning when you were still $#@!ting your diapers, small fry.

And now -- you're shitting your Depends and you're opinion has become irrelevant.

[domer76]

Request away -- more power to ya.

But, getting all huffed up over a candidate not releasing his private tax returns is funny.

Me huffed up? Nope. I'm merely pointing out that he isn't releasing his returns because it would reveal many more of the lies he's foisted on the public. And the gullible, like you, buy them.

[FindersKeepers]

How funny would you have thought it to be if either Clinton, or Obama refused to release their private tax returns?


Tax returns are private. It doesn't mean squat to me one way or the other.

I'm just amused watching liberals pull their hair out over a voluntary process that every candidate has the right to decline.

[FindersKeepers]

Term 1 = 9,500,000 Votes

Term 2 = 5,000,000 Votes

Total 14,000,000

Real Close I see :tongue:


As I said before -- you're confusing NUMBERS with INTEGRITY.

There's a reason our forefathers didn't allow every citizen to vote.

We're just beginning to see the wisdom in that. :grin:

[FindersKeepers]

Me huffed up? Nope. I'm merely pointing out that he isn't releasing his returns because it would reveal many more of the lies he's foisted on the public. And the gullible, like you, buy them.


As we established earlier -- you cannot know that releasing them would reveal lies -- unless you are privy to their contents. Since you aren't -- that only makes YOU the one telling tall tales.

More likely, releasing his returns would give his business competitors an edge.

At any rate -- it's his choice -- so who cares?

[zelmo1234]

Bull Sh!t .. GW Bush was given a Term my The Supreme Court not the people who Voted.

Then September 11 reminded us all of the mistake

That is Rich. 7 years into the Obama Presidency it is still GWB's Fault and 9 months into the GWB term it is all George's fault.

As for the Selected not elected. The Recounts continued long after the Court decision.

Can you show me one of them that has Gore coming out on top.

[zelmo1234]

Is releasing medical records for President funny also?

I actually agree.

[zelmo1234]

Term 1 = 9,500,000 Votes

Term 2 = 5,000,000 Votes

Total 14,000,000

Less than 1/2 of 1% of the population? That is pretty Close

Real Close I see :tongue:

[zelmo1234]

I was learning when you were still $#@!ting your diapers, small fry.

Good thing your teachers are dead, they would be ashamed of you.

[zelmo1234]

How funny would you have thought it to be if either Clinton, or Obama refused to release their private tax returns?

Like I said before, because they now all release their returns, Trump will have to do it, but it is really none of our business.

[zelmo1234]

Me huffed up? Nope. I'm merely pointing out that he isn't releasing his returns because it would reveal many more of the lies he's foisted on the public. And the gullible, like you, buy them.

You mean like Hillary saying they were broke when they left the WH????

As long as you on the left keep standing up for a Clinton. Calling someone a liar is kind of funny

[AZ Jim]

As I said before -- you're confusing NUMBERS with INTEGRITY.

There's a reason our forefathers didn't allow every citizen to vote.

We're just beginning to see the wisdom in that. :grin:Were that still the case not a single republican in the last 25 years would have been elected.

[domer76]

As we established earlier -- you cannot know that releasing them would reveal lies -- unless you are privy to their contents. Since you aren't -- that only makes YOU the one telling tall tales.

More likely, releasing his returns would give his business competitors an edge.

At any rate -- it's his choice -- so who cares?

He's a fucking pathogical liar. You bet releasing his returns would give his competitors an edge because they reveal just another set of lies.

[domer76]

You mean like Hillary saying they were broke when they left the WH????

As long as you on the left keep standing up for a Clinton. Calling someone a liar is kind of funny

You could look at their tax returns to verify that, couldn't you?

[zelmo1234]

You could look at their tax returns to verify that, couldn't you?

Yes you were saying something about pathological liars????

You know what else I could have used to verify the truth??? Deleted Emails???

I also Could have proven that Obama was smart, if I could see his college transcripts???

The First one of course is a felony to destroy government property, The second I think it was Obama's right to tell the people to stick it!

Now please remember that I have said that Trump will be forced to release Tax returns. but I don't think that any politician should be required to, It is none of our business.

[domer76]

Yes you were saying something about pathological liars????

You know what else I could have used to verify the truth??? Deleted Emails???

I also Could have proven that Obama was smart, if I could see his college transcripts???

The First one of course is a felony to destroy government property, The second I think it was Obama's right to tell the people to stick it!

Now please remember that I have said that Trump will be forced to release Tax returns. but I don't think that any politician should be required to, It is none of our business.

This thread is about Trump's taxes, but I'll play

No, you had no access to emails, deleted or not. Stupid question.

It's clear Obama is smart. He was head of the Harvard Law Review and has run circles around the best your party has to offer. That's been fun to watch, BTW.

It's not a felony until charges are filed and a conviction is obtained.

I never said he is required to, but he isn't because he will suffer negative consequences for doing so.

[AZ Jim]

Yes you were saying something about pathological liars????

You know what else I could have used to verify the truth??? Deleted Emails???

I also Could have proven that Obama was smart, if I could see his college transcripts???

The First one of course is a felony to destroy government property, The second I think it was Obama's right to tell the people to stick it!

Now please remember that I have said that Trump will be forced to release Tax returns. but I don't think that any politician should be required to, It is none of our business.Are you totally and incurably stupid? When you idiots wanted the Presidents birth certificate, even though he was under no obligation to release it, he did. Then following that, the charges "it's a phony" started. On and on. If I were he, I would also no release a single solitary thing I didn't need too because of how you freaks treat the candor.

[zelmo1234]

This thread is about Trump's taxes, but I'll play

No, you had no access to emails, deleted or not. Stupid question.

It's clear Obama is smart. He was head of the Harvard Law Review and has run circles around the best your party has to offer. That's been fun to watch, BTW.

It's not a felony until charges are filed and a conviction is obtained.

I never said he is required to, but he isn't because he will suffer negative consequences for doing so.

Actually what you are talking about would be a Convicted Felony! but we have been through this before....

And what we are talking about is concealing the truth from the Public. We know for a fact that Hillary deleted thousands of Emails, and had a server wiped clean, to hide something? We know from the FBI that some of those emails were not personal as she lied and tried to tell the people that they were.

I also have said on 5 posts now that I feel Trump will be forced to release his taxes at least one year.

But what is funny is the Dems trying to tell Independent and GOP voters that they should not vote for Trump because he is a liar.

[domer76]

Actually what you are talking about would be a Convicted Felony! but we have been through this before....

And what we are talking about is concealing the truth from the Public. We know for a fact that Hillary deleted thousands of Emails, and had a server wiped clean, to hide something? We know from the FBI that some of those emails were not personal as she lied and tried to tell the people that they were.

I also have said on 5 posts now that I feel Trump will be forced to release his taxes at least one year.

But what is funny is the Dems trying to tell Independent and GOP voters that they should not vote for Trump because he is a liar.

"would be"....

Trump IS a liar, but that's not the reason to not vote for him. He is totally incompetent and has no handle on national or international policies. Just worn out bromides like "make America great again." He can't articulate a single detail of ANY meaningful strategy.

[zelmo1234]

Are you totally and incurably stupid? When you idiots wanted the Presidents birth certificate, even though he was under no obligation to release it, he did. Then following that, the charges "it's a phony" started. On and on. If I were he, I would also no release a single solitary thing I didn't need too because of how you freaks treat the candor.

I know you were not here back then, but I am not a Birther. Now he should have just gotten it over with long before he did.

And you will also note that I have said on 6 occasions now that I don't think that tax returns for any politicians are personal information, and Have said that I feel that Trump will be forced to release them.

[zelmo1234]

"would be"....

Correct. Just like if you shoot and attacker in your house. You have committed Homicide. But it is justifiable homicide. So you are not convicted of a crime.

Glad you understand.

[domer76]

Correct. Just like if you shoot and attacker in your house. You have committed Homicide. But it is justifiable homicide. So you are not convicted of a crime.

Glad you understand.

The "would be" is bullshit just like your "if" scenario. Another couple of concoctions that you so frequently rely upon.

[AZ Jim]

I know you were not here back then, but I am not a Birther. Now he should have just gotten it over with long before he did.

And you will also note that I have said on 6 occasions now that I don't think that tax returns for any politicians are personal information, and Have said that I feel that Trump will be forced to release them.I was not here (on this board) then but you and I both know what went on. Maybe me more than you because as a homeowner and taxpayer here in Arizona (Maricopa county) our rightwing teaparty sheriff actually sent deputies to Hawaii to investigate the birth certificate. Honestly, it is amazing but true. This same man has cost we taxpayers literally millions for lawsuits as a result of his actions. Why don't we get rid of him? This is Arizona, RED as RED can be....

[zelmo1234]

I was not here (on this board) then but you and I both know what went on. Maybe me more than you because as a homeowner and taxpayer here in Arizona (Maricopa county) our rightwing teaparty sheriff actually sent deputies to Hawaii to investigate the birth certificate. Honestly, it is amazing but true. This same man has cost we taxpayers literally millions for lawsuits as a result of his actions. Why don't we get rid of him? This is Arizona, RED as RED can be....

That sounds pretty stupid to me too! Silly.

[Tahuyaman]

It would be a mistake for Trump to not release his taxes.

There are only two reasons he would refuse to do so. One, he doesn't want the working class he claims to represent to see how he has used tax she.ters to pay as little tax as possible.

Second, he doesn't want people to see that he contributes a very tiny if not insignificant portion of his income to various charities.

[Tahuyaman]

This is Arizona, RED as RED can be....


I'm certain the vast majority of Arizonans are quite happy that you don't represent the majority there.

[zelmo1234]

Time to ADD a little TRUTH to the TRUMP thread.

Cigar posted that Trump Vowed to not Release his Taxes. This turns out and I know that you will all find this hard to believe, IS ANOTHER LIE FROM THE LEFT.

As We check the record, Donald Trump is involved in a TAX audit. as I am sure that all of GOP members that were running for President. the statement that the Donald made was. I will not release my tax records until the audit is complete.

Now that makes a lot of sense because until the audit is complete, what is on his tax return could change.

So now that you all know the truth, and I am sure that you have seen crooked Hillary out there spreading this lie.

What do you feel about the situation.

[domer76]

Time to ADD a little TRUTH to the TRUMP thread.

Cigar posted that Trump Vowed to not Release his Taxes. This turns out and I know that you will all find this hard to believe, IS ANOTHER LIE FROM THE LEFT.

As We check the record, Donald Trump is involved in a TAX audit. as I am sure that all of GOP members that were running for President. the statement that the Donald made was. I will not release my tax records until the audit is complete.

Now that makes a lot of sense because until the audit is complete, what is on his tax return could change.

So now that you all know the truth, and I am sure that you have seen crooked Hillary out there spreading this lie.

What do you feel about the situation.

Diversionary bullshit and you buy it.

[zelmo1234]

Diversionary bull$#@! and you buy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8pV9fGcbto

Yes I understand that somebody is using this as a diversion but it is not Trump

And YES he could release them and have every CPA in the country looking and trying to help the IRS.

He is correct. the IRS should be through with the audit and then they can be released.

[gamewell45]

GWB was elected twice. Reagan Was Elected Twice. Bush #1 only one term Carter only one Term. Nixon / Ford 2 terms Kennedy/ Johnson

What are you trying to say?
Ford only served on term.

[zelmo1234]

Ford only served on term.

He finished the second term of Nixon!

[domer76]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8pV9fGcbto

Yes I understand that somebody is using this as a diversion but it is not Trump

And YES he could release them and have every CPA in the country looking and trying to help the IRS.

He is correct. the IRS should be through with the audit and then they can be released.

Horseshit. The IRS audit has nothing to do with disclosure. The IRS has made that clear.

[FindersKeepers]

Horse$#@!. The IRS audit has nothing to do with disclosure. The IRS has made that clear.


Again -- you keep getting your panties all in a wad over something that is VOLUNTARY.

Do you need me to write that in crayon so you can better comprehend?

[Cigar]

Trump's Tax Returns Explainedhttp://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/160512-trumps-tax-returns-explained_zpskqmk3xsz.jpg

Donald Trump will release his tax returns to get a casino license, but not to be elected president.When he's had casinos on the line, it's been a different story.

Trump has handed over tax returns in the midst of audits before -- to state gambling officials in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, as part of the process of seeking casino licenses in those states.

The returns haven't been publicly accessible, but they were used by the state investigators who reviewed those applications.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/politics/donald-trump-casino-licenses-tax-returns/index.html

[decedent]

Trump won't release his tax returns because Putin claims him as a dependent.

[Oboe]

If it gives the liberal idiots this much pants crapping, I hope he NEVER releases them!

[MisterVeritis]

If he doesn't release them by time the campaign season is in full swing, Hillary needs to use it like a nail-spiked club to just beat him with relentlessly until he's dead.
It is not going to work, this time.

[AZ Jim]

Again -- you keep getting your panties all in a wad over something that is VOLUNTARY.

Do you need me to write that in crayon so you can better comprehend?Sounds like YOU don't understand.

[AZ Jim]

Trump: "I could shoot someone on Broadway in NYC and they would still defend me"!!!

[Oboe]

Trump: "I could shoot someone on Broadway in NYC and they would still defend me"!!!

As long as it's not a cop, who cares? Maybe he'll cap a liberal, who cares?

[Cigar]

:laugh: He's Losing it ...

[Common]

Good he shouldnt release them Hillary didnt release all emails and hasnt told the truth since the first time she caught willy having coitus with a strange woman