Murder rates spike: the Ferguson effect

[Peter1469]

Murder rates spike in big cities: the Ferguson effect (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html?_r=0)

The FBI is concerned that police are holding back fearful of being charged due to increased video of police-civilian interaction. Police in many major cities are going slower. Doing less. And murder rates are spiking.


More than 20 major cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Las Vegas and Los Angeles, have seen large increases in murders in recent months, a spike that the director of the F.B.I. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org) linked to less aggressive policing stemming from a “viral video effect (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/us/comey-ferguson-effect-police-videos-fbi.html?_r=0).”

The new data released Friday showed clashing trend lines across the country, with many cities seeing a sharp increase in murders while rates in others — including New York and Miami — were down significantly from last year.

After receiving an advance look at the data, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey Jr., expressed alarm Wednesday about the spike in murders in some major cities. Reigniting the debate over a “Ferguson effect,” he told reporters that he believed the trend could be linked to a “viral video effect” because officers were being less aggressive for fear of ending up on videos.

The White House distanced itself from Mr. Comey on the issue, named after Ferguson, Mo., where the 2014 shooting of an unarmed black man set off protests and rioting.

Josh Earnest, the White House spokesman, told reporters Thursday that “there still is no evidence to substantiate the claim that the increase in violent crime is related to an unwillingness of police officers to do their job.”

[del]

what percentage of murders do leos prevent?

1%? 2%?

we're all told by the 2nd amendment fetishists that cops don't prevent crime, only good guys with guns do.

the socalled ferguson effect seems like self-serving bullshit to me.

[zelmo1234]

I guess that the Black Lives Matter!

Is not really helping to save the lives of the people that matter!

And Yet they are not protesting? Go Figure

[Peter1469]

what percentage of murders do leos prevent?

1%? 2%?

we're all told by the 2nd amendment fetishists that cops don't prevent crime, only good guys with guns do.

the socalled ferguson effect seems like self-serving bullshit to me.

Ask the FBI.

[del]

Ask the FBI.

why?

they're just making it up as they go along; if it's what you want to hear, you'll believe it.

[Peter1469]

The article didn't indicate that the FBI was making stuff up.

[del]

the article also doesn't indicate that the fbi has anything to back up the director's guess.

from the article-


The agency’s director, James Comey, has linked rising crime to less aggressive policing — the “viral video effect,” he called it this week, rejecting the more racially charged “Ferguson effect.” His theory, however, found little support from the White House, law enforcement groups, criminologists or even the group that gave him the new data on Friday.

as i said, if it's what you want to hear, you'll believe it.

[valley ranch]

The crime rate is way up, the murder rate much higher. No body's making this up!

[Kurmugeon]

On the bright side, many (but not all) of the new murders are happening between people, both perpetrator, and bodybag, who are BOTH supporters of the BLM movement...

This is a good thing.... something like "Chicken's Come Home to ROOST!".

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[valley ranch]

Through the the first quarter of 2016, overall violent and property crime is down in Baltimore, while homicides are up slightly year-over-year.
Baltimore had 56 homicides from January through March, including 19 in March. That compares against 51 in the first quarter of 2015 and 15 last March.
Like 2015 — when the city’s 344 killings resulted in the highest per capita homicide rate in city history — most victims of this year’s homicides were young black men.
Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis (http://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/crime-law-justice/law-enforcement/kevin-davis-PEGPF00118-topic.html) said despite those increases, he is encouraged by the fact that this year’s numbers are still well below those seen during the more violent months of 2015 after the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/), which sparked rioting (http://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crime/baltimore-riots-EVCAL00066-topic.html). After the unrest, homicides skyrocketed. In May there were 42, and in July there were 45.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-559ec11a/turbine/bal-homicideslink-thumbnail/350/350x197 (http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police/homicides)Baltimore homicides map (http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police/homicides)

“When the stroke of midnight occurred on Dec. 31, 2015 into 2016, the circumstances that contributed to the surge of violence weren’t automatically going to disappear,” Davis said. “But, certainly, the temperature has been lowered.”
As of March 26, the last date for which comprehensive city crime data is available, homicides in 2016 were up more than 10 percent compared to the same time last year. While overall violent and property crime was down 3 percent, non-fatal shootings were up 49 percent, aggravated assaults were up 11 percent and robberies were up 21 percent.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bal-baltimore-crime-numbers-q1-2016-story.html

[valley ranch]

Through the the first quarter of 2016, overall violent and property crime is down in Baltimore, while homicides are up slightly year-over-year.
Baltimore had 56 homicides from January through March, including 19 in March. That compares against 51 in the first quarter of 2015 and 15 last March.
Like 2015 — when the city’s 344 killings resulted in the highest per capita homicide rate in city history — most victims of this year’s homicides were young black men.
Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis (http://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/crime-law-justice/law-enforcement/kevin-davis-PEGPF00118-topic.html) said despite those increases, he is encouraged by the fact that this year’s numbers are still well below those seen during the more violent months of 2015 after the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/), which sparked rioting (http://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crime/baltimore-riots-EVCAL00066-topic.html). After the unrest, homicides skyrocketed. In May there were 42, and in July there were 45.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-559ec11a/turbine/bal-homicideslink-thumbnail/350/350x197 (http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police/homicides)Baltimore homicides map (http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police/homicides)

“When the stroke of midnight occurred on Dec. 31, 2015 into 2016, the circumstances that contributed to the surge of violence weren’t automatically going to disappear,” Davis said. “But, certainly, the temperature has been lowered.”
As of March 26, the last date for which comprehensive city crime data is available, homicides in 2016 were up more than 10 percent compared to the same time last year. While overall violent and property crime was down 3 percent, non-fatal shootings were up 49 percent, aggravated assaults were up 11 percent and robberies were up 21 %








http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bal-baltimore-crime-numbers-q1-2016-story.html

[valley ranch]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-deadliest-year-20160101-story.html

Blood was shed in Baltimore at an unprecedented pace in 2015, with mostly young, black men shot to death in a near-daily crush of violence.
On a per-capita basis, the year was the deadliest ever in the city. The year's tally of 344 homicides was second only to the record 353 in 1993, when Baltimore had about 100,000 more residents.
The killings were on pace with recent years in the early months of 2015 but skyrocketed after the unrest and rioting (http://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crime/baltimore-riots-EVCAL00066-topic.html) of late April. In five of the next eight months, killings topped 30 or 40 a month.
Nearly 90 percent of the year's homicides were the result of shootings, renewing calls for new gun laws. Counting nonfatal shootings, gun violence was up more than 75 percent compared to last year, with more than 900 people shot.

[valley ranch]

What’s Behind Baltimore’s Record-Setting Rise in HomicidesEmboldened criminals, low officer morale and fears of jail time for policeRECOMMENDED FOR YOU







(http://time.com/4328780/navy-fires-commander-of-sailors-captured-by-iran-official-says/)







(http://time.com/4322562/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-donald-trump/)





Baltimore police officers making routine stops or arrests around the city are encountering something very different these days: bystanders, often dozens of them, crowding around and recording their every move.
Since the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black Baltimore resident who died in police custody on April 19, the balance of power between police and citizens in the city appears to have tilted on its axis. Protests following Gray’s death, which at first experienced little police pushback, have led to elevated levels of violence around the city by criminals who some experts say appear emboldened. There were 43 homicides in May, the most in any month since December 1971—when the city was almost one-third bigger than it is today. According to numbers compiled by the Baltimore Sun and the FBI, the average number of monthly murders in May from 2009 to 2014 was 21.
At the same time, arrests have plummeted. In the first two weeks of May, arrests by Baltimore police were down 57% from the year before.

http://time.com/3905876/baltimore-murders-homicide-rate-record/

[valley ranch]

What’s Behind Baltimore’s Record-Setting Rise in Homicides

Emboldened criminals, low officer morale and fears of jail time for policeRECOMMENDED FOR YOU




Murder rate more than doubles!








(http://time.com/4328780/navy-fires-commander-of-sailors-captured-by-iran-official-says/)






(http://time.com/4322562/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-donald-trump/)





Baltimore police officers making routine stops or arrests around the city are encountering something very different these days: bystanders, often dozens of them, crowding around and recording their every move.
Since the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black Baltimore resident who died in police custody on April 19, the balance of power between police and citizens in the city appears to have tilted on its axis. Protests following Gray’s death, which at first experienced little police pushback, have led to elevated levels of violence around the city by criminals who some experts say appear emboldened. There were 43 homicides in May, the most in any month since December 1971—when the city was almost one-third bigger than it is today. According to numbers compiled by the Baltimore Sun and the FBI, the average number of monthly murders in May from 2009 to 2014 was 21.
At the same time, arrests have plummeted. In the first two weeks of May, arrests by Baltimore police were down 57% from the year before.

http://time.com/3905876/baltimore-murders-homicide-rate-record/

[valley ranch]

What’s Behind Baltimore’s Record-Setting Rise in Homicides

Emboldened criminals, low officer morale and fears of jail time for policeRECOMMENDED FOR YOU








(http://time.com/4328780/navy-fires-commander-of-sailors-captured-by-iran-official-says/)






(http://time.com/4322562/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-donald-trump/)





Baltimore police officers making routine stops or arrests around the city are encountering something very different these days: bystanders, often dozens of them, crowding around and recording their every move.
Since the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black Baltimore resident who died in police custody on April 19, the balance of power between police and citizens in the city appears to have tilted on its axis. Protests following Gray’s death, which at first experienced little police pushback, have led to elevated levels of violence around the city by criminals who some experts say appear emboldened. There were 43 homicides in May, the most in any month since December 1971—when the city was almost one-third bigger than it is today. According to numbers compiled by the Baltimore Sun and the FBI, the average number of monthly murders in May from 2009 to 2014 was 21.
At the same time, arrests have plummeted. In the first two weeks of May, arrests by Baltimore police were down 57% from the year before.

http://time.com/3905876/baltimore-murders-homicide-rate-record/

[Kurmugeon]

So, as long a BLM Blacks are killing each other, why should police try to stop it?

After all, BLM Blacks have made repeated calls to kill Cops and White-People.... So, if they want to kill each other instead, why should anyone care or try to prevent it?

Let's create an Official BLM registry, and any one on it who kills another person on the BLM registry, they will not even be questioned!

But! If you kill a Cop, or a person NOT on the BLM Registry, then you get the death penalty, no appeal.

They demand special "Rights" to violence. Give them special "Rights" to Violence.

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[valley ranch]

Black people want protection, they need it and they deserve it. The crap heads and low life scumb have put the heat on the police so they have backed off of doing the job. Now the criminals have the community at their mercy and they have no mercy.

[Kurmugeon]

Black people want protection, they need it and they deserve it. The crap heads and low life scumb have put the heat on the police so they have backed off of doing the job. Now the criminals have the community at their mercy and they have no mercy.

Yes... and the vast majority of Black-Americans are not supporters of the insane BLM movement which is calling for the Murder of Cops and White-Americans.

Under my plan, only those who support the violence of BLM would be negatively affected. And they would eliminate each other.

Don't you think that what my "Plan" essentially entails, is exactly what is happening under the "Ferguson Effect"?

Do you think that Cops are pulling back in pursuing criminals who kill Cops?

Do you think that Cops are pulling back in pursuing criminals in the Posh, and therefore, mostly White Areas of town?

Do you think that Cops are pulling back in areas and among populations which are largely populated by people who support the concepts and calls for violence by BLM?

My "Plan" is already the ground truth!

So, why not make it official?

It would send a very clear message!

Publicly demand the Murder of Cops, and guess what, you don't get any more police protection! DUGH!
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[del]

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[Kurmugeon]

Think about it this way:

If some group of people gets a bent against firemen, and start advocating for the Murder of Firemen, and then a fair number of Firemen are actually murdered...

And then some of the people from that group have their houses catch fire....

Well, their houses are probably going to burn to the ground! DUGH!

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[Common]

I dont deal in one line insults, platitudes and trolling like the left. I prefer to try and deal with facts.

This article is from the NY TIMES a full flat out left leaning yellow journal

Murder Rates Rising Sharply in Many U.S. Cities

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html?_r=0



Several big U.S. cities see homicide rates surge

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/09/us-cities-homicide-surge-2015/29879091/

Lets get this right ok, the increase in the murder rate is young black people. Not white people, the increase is black on black murder. WHERE IS OBAMA, where is obama campaign to reduce organized crime gang activity that is killing people and making good decent people lives hell. Where is the progressive left ?? Where is the OUTRAGE that so many more black people are dieing.

I can tell you where they are, they are looking for illegal immigrants to encourage to break our laws FOR VOTES. They want make men use womens bathrooms. They are blaming white people (only non democrats of course)

Does the left on this forum even mention that the black murder rate for young black males is through the roof and no one is doing anything about it. Nah, they are preoccupied with gender neutral bathrooms and getting as many illegal mexicans in here as they can for VOTES

Heres the reason the black murder rate is sky high, because crime is sky high because police are less agressive than they have been in the last 20 yrs and the reason for it, is the Black and Progressive white leadership in those cities and they STILL are blaming the police.

The dispicable phony progressive left accused police of hunting black people, they blamed policing and community police relations for everything.

They got their wish police do not as aggressively police to deter crime as they did, nor should they. They are reactive instead of proactive and the cost of that is glaringly clear.

WHERES OBAMA, oh hes giving a pep talk to a handful of black harvard grads. Wheres he addressing black gang violence ? or the increase on black on black murder in cities????????? Where is the progressive left?????

They are worried about Gender Neutral Bathrooms and assuring a constant untethered flow of illegal immigrant potential voters.

The murder rate will continue UNTIL SOMEONE GETS OFF THEIR ASS and address' it

[Kurmugeon]

You lead a horse to water, you cannot make it drink.

Black Americans can reject the agenda and extreme violent statements by BLM, but no President can MAKE them do so.

And Obama, and many other Black Leaders in Congress, and the "Civil-Rights.... Industry, have chosen to lead Black Americans to the concepts and violence of BLM.

The only thing we, those of U.S. not caught in the cycles of poverty and dependency of the poor, Black Urban slums, is reject the Progressive Left at every location, every position, every tier of public office and authority.

Urban Blacks may STILL continue to fall into the Progressive's BLM trap, but at least they won't be encouraged into it by the President and Senators!

And we can support those police and prosecutors brave enough to risk their lives and careers to arrest and prosecute those members of BLM who are calling to violence against Whites and Cops. The BLM radicals calling for violence should pay a heavy price!

Other than that, the last small, but very important thing we can do, is live as example of another way to achieve success and prosperity.

We can show that respecting and pursuing education is not "Acting White", but simply respecting ourselves!

We can show that working hard, staying clean from drugs, and not expecting heaps of gold chains and loose girls is far more rewarding when you see the smile of your child flying a kite for the first time!

We can show that respecting the police, law & order, and your parents is not a sign of weakness, but strength!

We can do these small things, but it is up to Black-Americans to fix Black-Americans.

Others have tried. Hey Black youths, don't be a Chump!

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[decedent]

"Cops are a vital part of society" is what I say when talking about urban areas.

"When seconds count, a cop is only minutes away," is what I say when talking about personal safety.

[zelmo1234]

"Cops are a vital part of society" is what I say when talking about urban areas.

"When seconds count, a cop is only minutes away," is what I say when talking about personal safety.

Yes but in these liberal killing fields, they have made it illegal for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.

Only the Criminals are allowed to have guns on the street. And with the war on cops, the officers are following the instructions of the Courts and leaders and are showing up after the danger has passed and collecting evidence.

[FindersKeepers]

Murder rates spike in big cities: the Ferguson effect (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html?_r=0)

The FBI is concerned that police are holding back fearful of being charged due to increased video of police-civilian interaction. Police in many major cities are going slower. Doing less. And murder rates are spiking.

According to my daughter who is in law enforcement, this is exactly what is happening.

We're in a smaller community and I'm not sure it's affected murder rates here -- but the officers are leery when responding to calls in "bad" neighborhoods. And even here, officers cite growing disrespect.

While there's always been an underlying dislike of law enforcement by people who get in trouble, it became visibly apparent in Ferguson. I think that's why it's called the Ferguson Effect, although hatred of officers (and the idea that they treat some folks unfairly) started a few years before that. When the President of the United States jumped the gun with his knee-jerk reaction to the officer who arrested the Cambridge professor, he got the ball rolling. Obama's supporters are true cult followers and like little lemmings they open their mouths wide so he can shovel in the BS and they obediently swallow.

Obama had to admit that he made a grave error -- but Pandora's Box was open. Then came Trayvon and Michael Brown and, each time, Obama (or the DOJ) took sides (initially) based on race -- and although they were dead wrong in all cases -- their cult-followers never took the time to figure that out.

We DO have some bad officers out there. Some very bad ones, but the majority are good.

I'm constantly amazed at shows of disrespect of officers by subjects and suspects on videos captured by bystanders and dashcams.

I understand why officers are not racing as quickly to respond. After all -- at the end of the day -- it's just a job.

[Peter1469]

Think about it this way:

If some group of people gets a bent against firemen, and start advocating for the Murder of Firemen, and then a fair number of Firemen are actually murdered...

And then some of the people from that group have their houses catch fire....

Well, their houses are probably going to burn to the ground! DUGH!

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When I was in high school one of the local housing projects had residents that shot at fire trucks when they responded to calls in the project. I don't recall that anyone was hit. But the fire department said fuck that, and stopped responding to calls there. I don't recall that it was ever resolved before I left for the Army, but several houses burned to ash with no fire department ever leaving their station house. Which was a mile away.

[FindersKeepers]

Urban Blacks may STILL continue to fall into the Progressive's BLM trap, but at least they won't be encouraged into it by the President and Senators!

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At the end of Obama's term - all of this encouragement that's leading to divisiveness is over. No matter if Hillary, Trump or some third party candidate wins -- it's all over.

Trump might actually be the more sympathetic to their cause, but we recently heard Bill Clinton express his (and most likely Hillary's) opinion that BLM is just protecting murderers, so -- no sympathy from that corner.

Even Sanders has spoken out against the idea that it's okay to have a group that promotes only one race's lives mattering. I fully expect Obama to create more division and chaos, race-wise, before the end of his term, but, after that -- we can look forward to healing.

It's almost over.

History will not remember Obama kindly.

[Kurmugeon]

Yes but in these liberal killing fields, they have made it illegal for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.

Only the Criminals are allowed to have guns on the street. And with the war on cops, the officers are following the instructions of the Courts and leaders and are showing up after the danger has passed and collecting evidence.

And the end effect of this disarmament policy is that only the Criminals and the Cops have guns, and anyone, Black or White, who has the means, gets out of the area!

So, the Concentration of Poor and Dysfunctional Blacks is amplified and refined, creating the Ethnic Ghetto.

The Lefties WANT Ethnic Ghettos whose residents Blame "Race" for all of their problems, rather than blaming drugs, teen-pregnancy, welfare-dependency, Illegal Immigrant suppression of labor wages, concentrated low IQ and cultural low impulse control.

It should be noted, not ALL Blacks stay in the Ghettos, just the stupid, drug addicted, violent, lazy, and perpetually pregnant people get stuck in the Ghetto.

Whites and Latinos have their Ghettos too, they just restrain themselves a bit more, because they don't have the excuse of blaming "Race" for all of their problems.

The question we should and some have been asking, "WHY does the Left want Ghettos so badly!?"

Answer that, and the solution becomes clear...

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