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texan
05-15-2016, 12:10 AM
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/14/this_is_one_weak_nominee_hillary_clintons_problem_ isnt_bernie_sanders_its_hillary_clinton/
Been saying this along with many smart Bernie supporters.
AeonPax
05-15-2016, 02:57 AM
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The article is weak but to sum it up; Hillary is a warmongering, lying corporate puppet cast in the Obama mold. She is unworthy of the office she thinks she deserves.
Common
05-15-2016, 03:55 AM
Whats the most interesting is that you cant get a further left publication that salon.com. That first paragraph is quite telling.
No matter what you think about Hillary Clinton as the presidential primaries wind down, there is one undeniable fact that lingers in the background. Despite having had enormous advantages from the start of the campaign—no serious competition from within the party, solid support from national party leaders, a massive war chest and a nationwide grassroots network built over the course of decades in national politics—Clinton has struggled to put away a 74-year-old Jewish socialist who has had almost no establishment support.
Common
05-15-2016, 04:24 AM
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The article is weak but to sum it up; Hillary is a warmongering, lying corporate puppet cast in the Obama mold. She is unworthy of the office she thinks she deserves.
My respect for you grows in leaps and bounds young lady. You are unafraid to speak what you believe without encumbering yourself with party lines and other individuals talking points, you dont follow a side or a group, Hats off to you, you wont be the most popular on forums but you will have your self respect and dignity and thats a helluva lot more important than making digital unseen friends.
Salon and Huff PO has been laying into Hillary. Not only is she a weak candidate, but she is dishonest and she cannot be trusted.
She has had some establishment Demos put the heat on the Sandman, telling him to drop out. I don't think he will break his word. He says he is going to the convention.
Whether Hillary and establishment likes it or not.
Common
05-15-2016, 08:39 AM
Salon and Huff PO has been laying into Hillary. Not only is she a weak candidate, but she is dishonest and she cannot be trusted.
She has had some establishment Demos put the heat on the Sandman, telling him to drop out. I don't think he will break his word. He says he is going to the convention.
Whether Hillary and establishment likes it or not.
Everyone knows hillary is as dishonest as the worst politicians out there.
JDubya
05-15-2016, 08:42 AM
A bunch of conclusions that are no big surprise considering that the article was written by a pro-Sanders hack.
David Niose (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Niose) (born August 20, 1962) is an attorney, author, and activist who has served as president of two Washington-based national organizations, the American Humanist Association and the Secular Coalition for America. In these positions he has initiated and pursued various advocacy efforts—legal, political, and public communications—on behalf of secularism. The American Humanist Association promotes humanism and defends the rights of humanists and other non-theistic Americans, and the Secular Coalition for America is a lobbying and advocacy group for non-theistic Americans
Here's an example of how far in the tank he is for Bernie...
How Bernie Sanders Americanized Socialism (http://http://davidniose.com/how-bernie-sanders-americanized-socialism/)
February 7, 2016
by David Niose
Ronald Reagan, arguing against an early Medicare bill in 1962, framed the issue as one with stark ideological implications. If the proposal passes, he warned, “behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country, until, one day we will awake to find that we have socialism.”
God forbid—socialism! Americans of that era understood that such a path was a threat to their way of life, a passport to misery, as Reagan explained: “[O]ne of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.”
Such ideological arguments, where socialism was seen not only as bad policy but as philosophically dangerous and threatening to fundamental American freedoms, were common in American politics for most of the twentieth century. Blurring the lines politically and rhetorically, conservatives could disparage any proposal that was even mildly socialistic as a slippery slope toward Soviet-style collectivism and totalitarianism. As such, even in the wake of successful legislation that brought about valuable governmental safety nets—from Social Security in the 1930s to Medicare in the 1960s—the word “socialism” remained generally taboo in American politics.
This ideological framing is key to understanding the recent success of Bernie Sanders. Given America’s historical phobia toward socialism, few would have imagined that Sanders, a self-described socialist, could make a serious run for the presidency. But so far he has proven conventional wisdom wrong, and he’s done so by packaging his socialism in a manner that embraces a quintessential American value—pragmatism—that repels ideological labels and imagery.
In presenting his agenda to the American public, for example, Sanders utilizes language that is rooted in the practical, offering not a comprehensive worldview but solutions to practical everyday problems such as low wages, the cost of education, and access to healthcare. Sure, Wall Street and the “richest one percent” are targets of criticism, but absent is any grand socialist vision of an egalitarian society.
Notably absent as well is the use of common socialistic semantics—direct references to “class struggle,” for example, or even any express call for workers to unite. Nobody would expect Sanders to use Marxian rhetoric predicting the eventual collapse of capitalism, but in fact any use of the word “capitalism” at all is extremely rare in his messaging. In his high-profile speech last fall at Georgetown University explaining his socialism, for example, the world “capitalism” was never mentioned.
Observers as far back a de Tocqueville, writing in the 1830s, have noted the American preference for the practical as opposed to the theoretical. Abstract theories and comprehensive worldviews rarely resonate in America, whereas real-world issues are instead paramount. Thus, Sanders speaks not of theory but of facts, realities of everyday life: “Millions of Americans are working longer hours for lower wages,” he repeatedly says, generating nods of approval from his audiences. (Interestingly, although of course Sanders has close ties to labor, the weakening of unions over the last generation is reflected in his rhetoric. There’s little talk of strikes or collective bargaining in his speeches, but instead just general allusions to “working men and women” and the need for a living wage.)
To millions of Americans who are too young to remember the Cold War demonization of socialism, and to many others who remember it but have outgrown such thinking, the Sanders “socialist” agenda offers nothing but sensible real-world policy. Sanders voters aren’t adopting a new ideology, but sizing up the political choices and realizing that core Sanders themes—that the system is owned and controlled by corporate interests, for example, and must be fixed—make sense.
After all, to today’s American the idea of healthcare for all is not so much a socialist concept as a practical one. If progress means anything, doesn’t it mean that a developed society should be able to provide healthcare for everyone? Is anyone seriously going to argue that doing so will create some kind of nanny state? That’s absurd, and anyone with half a brain knows it. Universal health care can hardly been seen as a slippery slope to gulags and forced collectivization.
Sanders maintains this pragmatic approach in discussing all issues, from campaign finance reform to raising the minimum wage. There is no ideological manifesto in his campaign arsenal, but only appeals to fairness and decency. “Nobody who works forty hours a week should be living in poverty,” he has said repeatedly, in tweets, stump speeches, and interviews.
It also helps that Sanders’s socialism is a soft socialism that doesn’t even contemplate public takeover of industries, which to many would be the litmus test for true socialism. As he has said himself, what he proposes is more of a European-style socialism that provides strong safety nets and emphasizes quality of life for all.
It may have a European influence, but what Sanders peddles is distinctly Americanized socialist politics. After all, unlike his European counterparts Sanders has no viable socialist party through which to work to deliver his egalitarian agenda. Using the Democratic Party to sell socialism is like using the Republican Party to sell evolution or church-state separation—you can do it, but such thinking is not really at home there.
Sanders has succeeded in doing so, at least so far, by presenting his agenda in practical terms that show it is as American as apple pie. He realizes that twenty-first century Americans expect a society where there benefits of technology and progress are reasonably available to all. In saying so he is the heir of FDR, not Lenin.
Americanized socialism doesn’t mean a classless society, but it does mean that everyone gets a fair shake and nobody falls through the cracks. It means when you work you can expect a decent wage; it means a society that appreciates and emphasizes education; and it means a society where corporate interests are subservient to human interests, not vice versa. Contrary to what Reagan suggested, a nation that offers such assurances is not less free, but more.
Kinda hard to take anything this guy writes about Hillary seriously or see it as any kind of objective analysis.
Everyone knows hillary is as dishonest as the worst politicians out there.
Yeah, 1 out of every 4 Americans. Soon it will be down to 1 out of every 2.
Prepare for the MS media to roll out how with all these scandals and whatnot, that Hillary is a victim. Should be some BS coming out from the NY Times on trying to give her a boost.
Then Trump will begin his onslaught with everybody else. Radio Jocks and the Right wing rags are ready for it and will go after the Times and their likes, over attempting to give Hillary cover.
JDubya
05-15-2016, 10:11 AM
Yeah, 1 out of every 4 Americans. Soon it will be down to 1 out of every 2.
Prepare for the MS media to roll out how with all these scandals and whatnot, that Hillary is a victim. Should be some BS coming out from the NY Times on trying to give her a boost.
Then Trump will begin his onslaught with everybody else. Radio Jocks and the Right wing rags are ready for it and will go after the Times and their likes, over attempting to give Hillary cover.
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Tahuyaman
05-15-2016, 10:21 AM
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/14/this_is_one_weak_nominee_hillary_clintons_problem_ isnt_bernie_sanders_its_hillary_clinton/
Been saying this along with many smart Bernie supporters.
I fully agree that Hillary is a weak candidate. Her advantage is that her main competitor is even weaker.
http://s32.postimg.org/f2ud8sctx/dreamon.jpg
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M360fd127356e909aeb23f6bdbd6cff04o2&w=300&h=199&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0
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I fully agree that Hillary is a weak candidate. Her advantage is that her main competitor is even weaker.
Yeah, but he has an equalizer.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTA1WDUwNQ==/z/iK8AAOxyzTJTjxuk/$_35.JPG
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Tahuyaman
05-15-2016, 10:35 AM
Yeah, but he has an equalizer.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTA1WDUwNQ==/z/iK8AAOxyzTJTjxuk/$_35.JPG
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Too many people believe personal success is a detriment.
Besides, I believe he doesnt want to turn over his tax information because hes not nearly as successful as he leads everyone to believe.
Too many people believe personal success is a detriment.
Besides, I believe he doesnt want to turn over his tax information because hes not nearly as successful as he leads everyone to believe.
Meh, all he needs to keep hammering home is how Hillary is dishonest and a liar. How she was trying to avoid accountability.
Once he starts talking about how corrupt she is.....that will be the beginning of her ending.
pragmatic
05-15-2016, 11:03 AM
I fully agree that Hillary is a weak candidate. Her advantage is that her main competitor is even weaker.
Sadly, that is probably true.
And in 6 months or so one of those two will likely be the POTUS.
<shakes head>
JDubya
05-15-2016, 11:06 AM
Meh, all he needs to keep hammering home is how Hillary is dishonest and a liar. How she was trying to avoid accountability.
Once he starts talking about how corrupt she is.....that will be the beginning of her ending.
And all Hillary has to do is run ads of Trump insulting and disparaging the two groups most needed to win a Presidential election in modern America... women and Hispanics, and keep on hammering on that.
JDubya
05-15-2016, 11:07 AM
Sadly, that is probably true.
And in 6 months or so one of those two will likely be the POTUS.
<shakes head>
Hillary will be a great President.
Peter1469
05-15-2016, 11:26 AM
Hillary will be a great President.
She would likely be a very bad president.
And all Hillary has to do is run ads of Trump insulting and disparaging the two groups most needed to win a Presidential election in modern America... women and Hispanics, and keep on hammering on that.
Then he bring up her scandals and all the lies she told. Then her failure with Benghazi, Libya, Syria, Iraq, and Russia.
Topping it off with she gave up breaches of National Security, Put people lives at greater risk of harm, caused Intelligence Operations to be shut down in other Countries, and that she is more of BO peep and then landslides her in the election.
Hillary will be a great President.
They don't call the head inmate in a womens prison.....President. Just sayin.
Oh look, Joe Biden is back out in front of the cameras. What a coincidincy. :evil:
AeonPax
05-15-2016, 04:42 PM
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What is going to be Trumps undoing is backsliding on things he said. Mark my word.
Peter1469
05-15-2016, 04:52 PM
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What is going to be Trumps undoing is backsliding on things he said. Mark my word.
It won't make a damn bit of difference.
AeonPax
05-15-2016, 04:57 PM
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20 Drachma's says your wrong.
It won't make a damn bit of difference.
Hillary' flipping will be associated with lying. Then Trump will have plenty of ammo over those Clinton Donors. Moreover we have seen her problem with women and Independents.
Then more Democrats voting Trump than Repubs for Hillary.
Peter1469
05-15-2016, 05:21 PM
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20 Drachma's says your wrong.
Deal. Hopefully Greece tells the EU to F'off and reissues the Drachmas. :wink:
Tahuyaman
05-15-2016, 05:43 PM
Meh, all he needs to keep hammering home is how Hillary is dishonest and a liar. How she was trying to avoid accountability.
Once he starts talking about how corrupt she is.....that will be the beginning of her ending.
People already know that about her. Some don't care and others do.
Tahuyaman
05-15-2016, 05:46 PM
It won't make a damn bit of difference.
in a way, the Trumpsters are very similar to the Hillary supporters. The negatives of each are well known. Their supporters don't care.
AeonPax
05-15-2016, 06:46 PM
Deal. Hopefully Greece tells the EU to F'off and reissues the Drachmas. :wink:
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Better that than Shekels.
Ransom
05-15-2016, 08:27 PM
It's amazing how any thread about Hillary jumps to Trump, I just got out of a Trump thread and the topic is Hillary.
I think Trump's undoing might be that he is an anti-Hillary(anti-Obama) candidate. But as this is supposed to be a Hillary thread, I believe the Left must understand a singular focus on Donald Trump(and it has begun) might be their undoing. Indeed, let's think about this. Hillary is in fact a weak candidate. She's being investigated by the FBI, he Clinton Foundation also under investigation, she sounds like a cackling hen, she's being taken to task by a 74 year old crazy socialist...and look at the big picture Dims....
Seriously. You lost the House two years after Obama's election, you lost the Senate as well, Reid and Pelosi now both minority leaders......imagine you lose this election for the White House. Means after the hope and change....the huge majorities in 2008....the GOP on it's ass....flat out cold. Leaderless.....seemingly without hope of ever winning another election. We win Congress in 6 years.....should the GOP win the White House....and then manage to stuff the court with Constitutional Conservatives....it would be nothing less than the greatest political comeback in the history of American politics. You Dims are in danger of losing it all after having it all.....an American Scarface story.
I mean......we GOPers would have indigestion given a Hillary win. I'll cry for the nation. However.....if Trump wins the Presidency...and the GOP holds on to Congress....I personally believe many of you liberals will move to Canada and in that case, I got something fer ya.......
https://twomenandatruck.com/
TrueBlue
05-15-2016, 08:49 PM
And all Hillary has to do is run ads of Trump insulting and disparaging the two groups most needed to win a Presidential election in modern America... women and Hispanics, and keep on hammering on that.
So true. And now that she has decided that she would appoint her very economically savvy husband, Bill, to be in charge of the economy that should well revitalize and energize the Democratic base and other supporters including many Republicans who are against Trump to continue to support her in an even more serious way.
TrueBlue
05-15-2016, 08:52 PM
She would likely be a very bad president.
Only in the eyes of idiots.
zelmo1234
05-15-2016, 09:00 PM
So true. And now that she has decided that she would appoint her very economically savvy husband, Bill, to be in charge of the economy that should well revitalize and energize the Democratic base and other supporters including many Republicans who are against Trump to continue to support her in an even more serious way.
Democrats for Reaganomics I love it
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/03/tax-cuts-not-the-clinton-tax-hike-produced-the-1990s-boom
Tahuyaman
05-15-2016, 09:00 PM
So true. And now that she has decided that she would appoint her very economically savvy husband, Bill, to be in charge of the economy that should well revitalize and energize the Democratic base and other supporters including many Republicans who are against Trump to continue to support her in an even more serious way.
Lol......
Tahuyaman
05-15-2016, 09:02 PM
She would likely be a very bad president.
It boggles the mind to believe anyone could support either her or Trump.
zelmo1234
05-15-2016, 09:02 PM
the problem with putting Trump on in part of your ads seeking Mexican Votes, is they can't put the sound bites on because they are lying about what he really said.
Hillary the longer she is in the public eye, the more people remember why they did not like her.
It is like going to a class reunion, it takes a few minutes for you to remember why you didn't like that person.
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