PDA

View Full Version : tPF Bernie Sanders – A 60s revolutionary throwback



Refugee
05-22-2016, 09:40 PM
Following Hillary (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/63123-Hillary-Clinton-will-destroy-you?p=1558258)(Alinsky radical) a brief look at Bernie Sanders.



14752


‘True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism. They cut their hair, put on suits, and infiltrate the system from within.’
Alinsky, Saul David. Rules for Radicals. N.p.: Vintage, 1972. Print. Paperback.

Posing as a Democrat and hiding behind the fashionable term ‘socialism’, but in reality a Maoist, Bernie like Hillary offers more of Obama, adding a revolutionary spirit into the mix – the original ‘Power to the People’ throwback, come back to haunt you from the 1960s.

Bernie’s fait accompli is tapping into the disquiet of the working class and have nots using the disparity of equality and focusing on the successful to inspire feelings of unjustness, in easy to understand language. Much of what he says, like cultural Marxist Obama, has a ring of truth to it, but behind the popular rhetoric is always the ideal to overthrow the capitalist system.

The election of Obama unmasked the Democrat rock behind which the radicals of the early 21st century had hidden for decades. Out crawled the Emanuel Rahms, Eric Holders and amongst them, Bernie Sanders. Bernie has been in public office for 26 years, but who had ever heard of him ten years previously? Popular as a young radical, for all the wrong reasons.



14753




In the early 60s, Bernie joined the US Young People’s Socialist League (http://www.marxisthistory.org/history/usa/parties/ypsl/1919/0504-ypsl-constitution.pdf), from which he never fully recovered and unsurprisingly, earned his first regular salary from the public purse aged 40 and has lived off the taxpayer ever since.

‘The object of this organization shall be to draw into a compact body all young people interested in the emancipation of the working class from wage slavery; whose foremost and primary function shall be to train them in the principles of International Socialism; to assist in the work of socialist propaganda and political activity […]’
Other terms for International Socialism are communism, or progressivism.

So, how is the brave new world to be financed, which lies at the heart of any ideology? The irony of this is that were it ever implemented, the 1% pseudo socialists, for example George Soros, the Clinton’s and Oprah Winfrey would very quickly head for the nearest airport, leaving the working class to foot the bill.



14754


Unsurprisingly, it’s socialist using taxes to finance equality. A huge increase in State taxation and spreading the wealth around. No more killing of the bourgeoisie, you destroy and tax capitalism out of existence, legally. Yet the unanswered question remains, when the creators of wealth realise that what they make is taken off them and stop creating wealth, who or what then funds the socialist dream?

At the heart of every socialist government (an elite collection of individuals), is the desire to own what it distributes and become the 1% themselves.

‘We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalist system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.’
Does that sound right on radical today? Actually, it was from a speech by Hitler – 1927. The differences between national and International socialism are closely aligned.

Unless wealth is created, there is a finite amount to spread around, apart from printing money. People such as Obama, Clinton and Sanders are not wealth creators, they are wealth distributors, which is what socialism is. Initially this works from the wealth already in existence, but the default of socialist countries everywhere is economic collapse. Businesses and wealth creators are not social work departments and eventually they start to outsource and then move elsewhere.

Here we go again, a rematch of gullibility and learning difficulties in, the modern social liberal (https://www.academia.edu/11730219/The_Modern_Social_Liberal)


14755

Crepitus
05-22-2016, 10:27 PM
You don't actually understand what Bernie is saying at all.

Refugee
05-22-2016, 10:54 PM
I understand what Bernie is saying and the disquiet he is tapping into, but more importantly, I also understand what he is and what he’s not saying. If you haven’t learned your lesson after the Obama years, then vote Bernie.

Subdermal
05-22-2016, 11:23 PM
You don't actually understand what Bernie is saying at all.

I think you stop at the idealism of what he's saying.

We continue on to the ramifications of what he is saying - and that's where you're utterly lost.

Refugee
05-23-2016, 12:40 AM
The world is full of Obama’s, Clinton’s and Sander’s. More known in your neck of the woods are Castro and Chavez. These people are not cuddly socialists, they are hard core Marxists.

You won’t beat this bunch, nor will the vast majority of the US social justice warrior population, they will run rings round you, because the majority have limited knowledge of what they represent, minus the knowledge to combat the effects.

They’re not selling you anything new, there is no equality and no one is voluntarily going to surrender their wealth to subsidise you. The ideology behind this video is where they got their ideas from and it’s not the cuddly sharing socialism you imagine it is. They succeeded with the European Union, now it’s your turn if you’re not very careful.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sxTbfeYdO0

I’m not always this serious. It’s just that this year is your election year and I suppose I’m just unloading my experiences on you – my apologies :smiley:

Crepitus
05-23-2016, 01:18 AM
I think you stop at the idealism of what he's saying.

We continue on to the ramifications of what he is saying - and that's where you're utterly lost.
Refugee there does not and never has lived in the US, his entire experience of what it is like here is from RWNJ websites and blogs. Bernie is realistic about what the costs of his programs would be, and I also think he understands that getting any of them even started is going to be an uphill battle, especially with all the conservative propaganda out there.

Refugee
05-23-2016, 03:19 AM
Refugee there does not and never has lived in the US, his entire experience of what it is like here is from RWNJ websites and blogs. Bernie is realistic about what the costs of his programs would be, and I also think he understands that getting any of them even started is going to be an uphill battle, especially with all the conservative propaganda out there.

I don’t have to have lived in the US to know these people, I live and work with them. I’ve never been to Venezuela or Cuba either, but it’s obvious what was going to happen there as well. Is anyone still surprised that in Obama land you now have increasing poverty, financially collapsing cities and tens of millions on food stamps? The world was warning you back in 2008 and even the former communists from the Eastern block are now laughing at you and they’ve not been to the US either. When news outlets like Pravda, former dissidents and even Putin start warning you about the road you’re on, perhaps it’s best to take note?

It’s not about conservative propaganda; it’s about gullible people voting in an assortment of radicals and Marxists and thinking they’re going to get a utopia. Bernie is not realistic, he’s a stupid old radical who never grew out of his youthful idealism. There is no uphill battle to be won, too many Obama’s, Clinton’s and Bernie’s will send you down the same road as all the other spread the wealth around, equality seeking failed States. Having said that, go for it comrade, see if it’s any different this time around.

BTW, what I write is not plagiarised quotes from blogs or RWNJ sites, its top of the head stuff based on experience, with added quotes and pics to cater to attention spans.

Refugee
05-23-2016, 03:46 AM
I can sit here for an hour and knock out a one thousand page article on the effects of communism on a gullible society from the top of my head, but more than two paragraphs would never be read and so what’s the point. A few short article outlines and if some stop and think, the purpose is achieved. I already live in the place you’re heading towards and there is no welfare entitlement, free cell phones and equality here, or any other so-called ‘socialist’ country I’ve been in.

I think what you need to remember is that the constitution saved you from experiencing the equality based nonsense and consequences that affected much of the rest of the world, but that you’re now seeking, because it promises everything to everyone.

In the middle of a huge recession that is being felt across the world, it’s natural that the US should feel a bit peeved at what is now visible poverty and inequalities in the most highly developed country in the world. Yet believe me, the people you’re now supporting are like a virus and will take you down to the level of Cuba very quickly. I’m OK, I’ve done very nicely out of it, just ignore me, or take it as a warning, whichever you prefer.

Crepitus
05-23-2016, 07:48 AM
I don’t have to have lived in the US to know these people, I live and work with them. I’ve never been to Venezuela or Cuba either, but it’s obvious what was going to happen there as well. Is anyone still surprised that in Obama land you now have increasing poverty, financially collapsing cities and tens of millions on food stamps? The world was warning you back in 2008 and even the former communists from the Eastern block are now laughing at you and they’ve not been to the US either. When news outlets like Pravda, former dissidents and even Putin start warning you about the road you’re on, perhaps it’s best to take note?

It’s not about conservative propaganda; it’s about gullible people voting in an assortment of radicals and Marxists and thinking they’re going to get a utopia. Bernie is not realistic, he’s a stupid old radical who never grew out of his youthful idealism. There is no uphill battle to be won, too many Obama’s, Clinton’s and Bernie’s will send you down the same road as all the other spread the wealth around, equality seeking failed States. Having said that, go for it comrade, see if it’s any different this time around.

BTW, what I write is not plagiarised quotes from blogs or RWNJ sites, its top of the head stuff based on experience, with added quotes and pics to cater to attention spans.

See the highlighted?

That's conservative propaganda.

Now that you know what it is surely you can see that it's everywhere.

The Sage of Main Street
05-23-2016, 12:39 PM
Following Hillary (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/63123-Hillary-Clinton-will-destroy-you?p=1558258)(Alinsky radical) a brief look at Bernie Sanders.



14752


‘True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism. They cut their hair, put on suits, and infiltrate the system from within.’
Alinsky, Saul David. Rules for Radicals. N.p.: Vintage, 1972. Print. Paperback.

Posing as a Democrat and hiding behind the fashionable term ‘socialism’, but in reality a Maoist, Bernie like Hillary offers more of Obama, adding a revolutionary spirit into the mix – the original ‘Power to the People’ throwback, come back to haunt you from the 1960s.

Bernie’s fait accompli is tapping into the disquiet of the working class and have nots using the disparity of equality and focusing on the successful to inspire feelings of unjustness, in easy to understand language. Much of what he says, like cultural Marxist Obama, has a ring of truth to it, but behind the popular rhetoric is always the ideal to overthrow the capitalist system.

The election of Obama unmasked the Democrat rock behind which the radicals of the early 21st century had hidden for decades. Out crawled the Emanuel Rahms, Eric Holders and amongst them, Bernie Sanders. Bernie has been in public office for 26 years, but who had ever heard of him ten years previously? Popular as a young radical, for all the wrong reasons.



14753




In the early 60s, Bernie joined the US Young People’s Socialist League (http://www.marxisthistory.org/history/usa/parties/ypsl/1919/0504-ypsl-constitution.pdf), from which he never fully recovered and unsurprisingly, earned his first regular salary from the public purse aged 40 and has lived off the taxpayer ever since.

‘The object of this organization shall be to draw into a compact body all young people interested in the emancipation of the working class from wage slavery; whose foremost and primary function shall be to train them in the principles of International Socialism; to assist in the work of socialist propaganda and political activity […]’
Other terms for International Socialism are communism, or progressivism.

So, how is the brave new world to be financed, which lies at the heart of any ideology? The irony of this is that were it ever implemented, the 1% pseudo socialists, for example George Soros, the Clinton’s and Oprah Winfrey would very quickly head for the nearest airport, leaving the working class to foot the bill.



14754


Unsurprisingly, it’s socialist using taxes to finance equality. A huge increase in State taxation and spreading the wealth around. No more killing of the bourgeoisie, you destroy and tax capitalism out of existence, legally. Yet the unanswered question remains, when the creators of wealth realise that what they make is taken off them and stop creating wealth, who or what then funds the socialist dream?

At the heart of every socialist government (an elite collection of individuals), is the desire to own what it distributes and become the 1% themselves.

‘We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalist system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.’
Does that sound right on radical today? Actually, it was from a speech by Hitler – 1927. The differences between national and International socialism are closely aligned.

Unless wealth is created, there is a finite amount to spread around, apart from printing money. People such as Obama, Clinton and Sanders are not wealth creators, they are wealth distributors, which is what socialism is. Initially this works from the wealth already in existence, but the default of socialist countries everywhere is economic collapse. Businesses and wealth creators are not social work departments and eventually they start to outsource and then move elsewhere.

Here we go again, a rematch of gullibility and learning difficulties in, the modern social liberal (https://www.academia.edu/11730219/The_Modern_Social_Liberal)


14755
















High IQs create all the wealth of the civilized world. But capital, labor, or the government takes credit for it through massive brainwashing or harassment, which also intimidates suckers with superior minds so they become meek geeks.

Tahuyaman
05-23-2016, 01:33 PM
Bernie Sanders – A 60s revolutionary throwback
I can see that. After all, the 1960's is when he developed his political philosophy.

TrueBlue
05-23-2016, 02:12 PM
I understand what Bernie is saying and the disquiet he is tapping into, but more importantly, I also understand what he is and what he’s not saying. If you haven’t learned your lesson after the Obama years, then vote Bernie.

A vote for Bernie is another-wise good vote in the trashcan. VOTE HILLARY CLINTON Our Only Hope To Defeat Trump!!

Boris The Animal
05-23-2016, 02:16 PM
A vote for Bernie is another-wise good vote in the trashcan. VOTE HILLARY CLINTON Our Only Hope To Defeat Trump!!
Wishful thinking TrueBlow. I don't want that feminazi c*nt nor the Communist as my CinC.

TrueBlue
05-23-2016, 02:18 PM
Wishful thinking TrueBlow. I don't want that feminazi c*nt as my CinC.
Yet she's going to be Your PRESIDENT and Commander in Chief, Blowris. Like it or not! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dance2.gif

Boris The Animal
05-23-2016, 02:19 PM
Yet she's going to be Your PRESIDENT and Commander in Chief, Blowris. Like it or not! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dance2.gifPolls say otherwise, Bolshevik. And no Dummycrat will ever be MY President, Communist.

Tahuyaman
05-23-2016, 10:59 PM
A vote for Bernie is another-wise good vote in the trashcan. VOTE HILLARY CLINTON Our Only Hope To Defeat Trump!!

Actually, the latest polling data strongly suggests that Sanders would be a tougher opponant than Mrs Clinton.

Tahuyaman
05-23-2016, 11:02 PM
I believe that a fairly high percentage of Sanders supporters have no idea why they support him They do just because.

Refugee
05-24-2016, 04:48 PM
See the highlighted?

That's conservative propaganda.

Now that you know what it is surely you can see that it's everywhere.

Propaganda is deception.

Obama surrounding himself with the most radical and extreme appointees in US history is not deception or conservative, or propaganda. It’s not very difficult to discover either and applies equally to the European Union.

Here’s a link (http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/)

Crepitus
05-24-2016, 05:06 PM
Propaganda is deception.

Obama surrounding himself with the most radical and extreme appointees in US history is not deception or conservative, or propaganda. It’s not very difficult to discover either and applies equally to the European Union.

Here’s a link (http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/)


Apparently you are still having trouble spotting it because your link? Conservative propaganda.

Refugee
05-24-2016, 05:15 PM
Apparently you are still having trouble spotting it because your link? Conservative propaganda.

The link and the people in it is either factual or not.

Crepitus
05-24-2016, 07:05 PM
The link and the people in it is either factual or not.

That would be "not".

del
05-24-2016, 07:07 PM
That would be "not".

Western Journalism is a news company that drives positive cultural change by equipping and informing people with truth. It hosts WesternJournalism.com, a news website and blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters. The platform hosts hundreds of bloggers, and our content is widely distributed using social media. New blogs are able to be successfully launched using the platform because of the large audience actively served.

lol

Refugee
05-24-2016, 08:26 PM
The source is not important, the information it contains should be. No wonder Obama was elected, or is that propaganda? I’ll leave you to this one, it’s just the usual dumbness coming out :smiley:

Tahuyaman
05-24-2016, 08:45 PM
I was just watching MSNBC. Chris Matthews looks to have taken it upon himself to lead the Hillary cheerleading team and the Sanders destruction committee simultaneously. I've never seen him go after a conservative that zealously.

Sanders must be getting under the skin of the Democrat party hacks.