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Peter1469
05-28-2016, 06:59 AM
Secret text in Senate bill would give FBI warrantless access to email records (https://theintercept.com/2016/05/26/secret-text-in-senate-bill-would-give-fbi-warrantless-access-to-email-records/)

The government is at it again. The Constitution is clear. They need a warrant.


A PROVISION SNUCK INTO the still-secret text of the Senate’s annual intelligence authorization would give the FBI the ability to demand individuals’ email data and possibly web-surfing history from their service providers without a warrant and in complete secrecy.If passed, the change would expand the reach of the FBI’s already highly controversial national security letters. The FBI is currently allowed to get certain types of information with NSLs — most commonly, information about the name, address, and call data associated with a phone number or details about a bank account.


Since a 2008 Justice Department legal opinion, the FBI has not been allowed to use NSLs to demand “electronic communication transactional records,” such as email subject lines and other metadata, or URLs visited.


The spy bill passed the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday, with the provision in it. The lone no vote came from Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., whowrote in a statement (https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-opposes-2017-intelligence-authorization-act-that-expands-government-surveillance-and-undermines-independent-oversight-board) that one of the bill’s provisions “would allow any FBI field office to demand email records without a court order, a major expansion of federal surveillance powers.”


Wyden did not disclose exactly what the provision would allow, but his spokesperson suggested it might go beyond email records to things like web-surfing histories and other information about online behavior. “Senator Wyden is concerned it could be read that way,” Keith Chu said.


It’s unclear how or when the provision was added, although Sens. Richard Burr, R-N.C. (https://cdt.org/files/2015/05/Burr-FISA-Improvements-Act-2015-Draft.pdf), — the committee’s chairman — and Tom Cotton (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2344/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5b%22cotton%22%5d%7D), R-Ark., have both offered bills in the past that would address what the FBI calls a gap and privacy advocates consider a serious threat to civil liberties.

Common
05-28-2016, 07:03 AM
I read it couple of days ago, I didnt post it because I dont want to be vilified for not caring if they look into my emails or texts.

I have no subversive or criminal texts of emails, no pedophillia,no porn, no naked women, nothing that would embarass my family or jeopardize my marriage. Im boring

Peter1469
05-28-2016, 07:12 AM
I read it couple of days ago, I didnt post it because I dont want to be vilified for not caring if they look into my emails or texts.

I have no subversive or criminal texts of emails, no pedophillia,no porn, no naked women, nothing that would embarass my family or jeopardize my marriage. Im boring

Neither do I. However, the Constitution should be honored rather than trashed.

donttread
05-28-2016, 07:46 AM
Secret text in Senate bill would give FBI warrantless access to email records (https://theintercept.com/2016/05/26/secret-text-in-senate-bill-would-give-fbi-warrantless-access-to-email-records/)

The government is at it again. The Constitution is clear. They need a warrant.

They push a little at a time. If the sheep panic and even, God forbid push back, they back off for a while or take the authority secretly.
But it is clear that they are using "1984" for a playbook. Governments move from freedom to control and how much more control can they take before our rights are on paper only?
Take the NSA program for example, just 15 or so years ago the people would of demanded that the program be abolished, now half of them want to imprison the whistle blower. Only a radical change such as serious third party representation to the point of a coalition congress , or a Constitutiomist in the White House could orderly change things now .

donttread
05-28-2016, 07:51 AM
I read it couple of days ago, I didnt post it because I dont want to be vilified for not caring if they look into my emails or texts.

I have no subversive or criminal texts of emails, no pedophillia,no porn, no naked women, nothing that would embarass my family or jeopardize my marriage. Im boring

Two things about that
1) If you only defend rights because of their specific impact on you and everyone else does the same they will take our rights one at a time with barely a whimper.
2) Once a government has the authority to spy on you they can change what's legal, like speaking out on this board. And suddenly, Common isn't so boring or so safe from government intrusion.

Cthulhu
05-30-2016, 10:39 PM
I read it couple of days ago, I didnt post it because I dont want to be vilified for not caring if they look into my emails or texts.

I have no subversive or criminal texts of emails, no pedophillia,no porn, no naked women, nothing that would embarass my family or jeopardize my marriage. Im boring
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear...

Sorry. I just can't get behind that. Not saying that is what you're pushing. But proponents of this kind of intrusion do.

If you don't value the 4th amendment, there isn't much that you do value.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

Ethereal
05-30-2016, 11:04 PM
I read it couple of days ago, I didnt post it because I dont want to be vilified for not caring if they look into my emails or texts.

Fine.

Let them look at your emails and your texts.

But I want my privacy respected.

And it's my right to have it respected.


I have no subversive or criminal texts of emails, no pedophillia,no porn, no naked women, nothing that would embarass my family or jeopardize my marriage. Im boring

So because you don't personally care about your electronic privacy, that means everyone in America needs to let the government look into their emails and texts without a warrant?