View Full Version : Obamacare is Coming After Your Craft Beer ......
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According to the Brewer's Association (https://www.brewersassociation.org/statistics/economic-impact-data/), craft brewing contributed $55.7 billion to the U.S. economy and provided more than 440,000 jobs in 2014, a significant impact in a still sluggish economy.
Small and independent American craft brewers contributed $55.7 billion to the U.S. economy in 2014. The figure is derived from the total impact of beer brewed by craft brewers as it moves through the three-tier system (breweries, wholesalers and retailers), as well as all non-beer products like food and merchandise that brewpub restaurants and brewery taprooms sell.
But a regulation buried in Obamacare could change craft brewing and not for the better. From Americans For Tax Reform (http://www.atr.org/impending-obamacare-regulation-take-aim-craft-beer):
As of December 2016, Obamacare dictates that all brewers must include a detailed calorie count on every type of beer they produce. Failure to comply with the new regulations means craft brewers will not be able to sell their beer in any restaurant chain with over 20 locations. Because this is a major market for selling beer, it hamstrings smaller craft brewers if they do not comply.
Obamacare: ruining healthcare, creativity and fun one niche industry at a time......snip~
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/05/31/obamacare-is-coming-after-your-beer-n2171764
Wow. :shocked: BO peep and the Demos just don't like small business owners, huh? What say ye?
Captain Obvious
06-03-2016, 07:27 PM
I'm guessing this is the mass brewing establishment pushing this legislation as a special interest, much like the growler controversy in southern states.
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Peter1469
06-03-2016, 07:29 PM
Crony capitalism. The big crap beer companies are using the government to hurt their competition.
This is not capitalism....
Captain Obvious
06-03-2016, 07:32 PM
And, for the record, they can have my "craft" beer.
Craft brewing snobs ruined the craft. It's all over-hopped piss.
Crony capitalism. The big crap beer companies are using the government to hurt their competition.
This is not capitalism....
:wink:
The Cato Institute estimates the Obamacare calorie labeling requirements will cost a business as much as $77,000 to implement. For larger beer companies, this is a drop in the bucket, but for small, local craft brewers it represents a substantial cost that they must pay. As a result, it creates a significant disadvantage compared to larger beer companies who can better absorb the cost of this new regulation......snip~
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/05/31/obamacare-is-coming-after-your-beer-n2171764
And, for the record, they can have my "craft" beer.
Craft brewing snobs ruined the craft. It's all over-hopped piss.
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:grin:
Crepitus
06-03-2016, 07:47 PM
Crony capitalism. The big crap beer companies are using the government to hurt their competition.
This is not capitalism....
It's the capitalism we have here today.
Peter1469
06-03-2016, 07:51 PM
It's the capitalism we have here today.
It is the crony capitalism that we have here today: corrected for you.
Crepitus
06-03-2016, 07:52 PM
It is the crony capitalism that we have here today: corrected for you.
Well don't. I was right the first time.
donttread
06-03-2016, 07:53 PM
http://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2016/1/6178eb50-c446-4a52-ae20-7c7807f93a54.jpg
According to the Brewer's Association (https://www.brewersassociation.org/statistics/economic-impact-data/), craft brewing contributed $55.7 billion to the U.S. economy and provided more than 440,000 jobs in 2014, a significant impact in a still sluggish economy.
Small and independent American craft brewers contributed $55.7 billion to the U.S. economy in 2014. The figure is derived from the total impact of beer brewed by craft brewers as it moves through the three-tier system (breweries, wholesalers and retailers), as well as all non-beer products like food and merchandise that brewpub restaurants and brewery taprooms sell.
But a regulation buried in Obamacare could change craft brewing and not for the better. From Americans For Tax Reform (http://www.atr.org/impending-obamacare-regulation-take-aim-craft-beer):
As of December 2016, Obamacare dictates that all brewers must include a detailed calorie count on every type of beer they produce. Failure to comply with the new regulations means craft brewers will not be able to sell their beer in any restaurant chain with over 20 locations. Because this is a major market for selling beer, it hamstrings smaller craft brewers if they do not comply.
Obamacare: ruining healthcare, creativity and fun one niche industry at a time......snip~
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/05/31/obamacare-is-coming-after-your-beer-n2171764
Wow. :shocked: BO peep and the Demos just don't like small business owners, huh? What say ye?
Yeah because people who are calorie conscious on a given night give a shit about the calories. Control for control's sake. And for "Coors sake" of course. When are we just going to stand up and say NO!
Peter1469
06-03-2016, 07:54 PM
Well don't. I was right the first time.
Thanks for illustrating the deterioration of the English language.
Captain Obvious
06-03-2016, 07:55 PM
Yeah because people who are calorie conscious on a given night give a shit about the calories. Control for control's sake. And for "Coors sake" of course. When are we just going to stand up and say NO!
Right, that's the whole point.
Why would teh O'bama and his thugs care about beer calories? They sure as fuck don't care about GMO labeling, why suddenly beer?
Because GMO's pay the establishment like whores to avoid it and big beer pays the establishment like whores to enact meaningless legislation like this because it damages their competition.
Yeah because people who are calorie conscious on a given night give a $#@! about the calories. Control for control's sake. And for "Coors sake" of course. When are we just going to stand up and say NO!
Exactly!
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Thanks for illustrating the deterioration of the English language.
thanks for illustrating the meaning of having nothing
MisterVeritis
06-03-2016, 08:17 PM
Well don't. I was right the first time.
No. You weren't.
Peter1469
06-04-2016, 07:11 AM
thanks for illustrating the meaning of having nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-3ws7b4sZg
Mac-7
06-04-2016, 09:29 PM
Libs assume a lot with no facts to back them up.
the Nanny State is fully capable of imposing unnecessary and expensive regulations without any help from Budwieser or Miller
donttread
06-05-2016, 07:13 AM
Right, that's the whole point.
Why would teh O'bama and his thugs care about beer calories? They sure as fuck don't care about GMO labeling, why suddenly beer?
Because GMO's pay the establishment like whores to avoid it and big beer pays the establishment like whores to enact meaningless legislation like this because it damages their competition.
In 1998 46 states bypassed the federal government and made a deal with big tobacco worth at least a hundred billion over 25 years to the states. The deal called the Master Settlement Agreement bound small tobacco companies to the same rules although they never signed the deal. Just one small example of how this works
donttread
06-05-2016, 07:14 AM
Libs assume a lot with no facts to back them up.
the Nanny State is fully capable of imposing unnecessary and expensive regulations without any help from Budwieser or Miller
Peter1469
06-05-2016, 07:58 AM
Libs assume a lot with no facts to back them up.
the Nanny State is fully capable of imposing unnecessary and expensive regulations without any help from Budwieser or Miller
Who do you think is writing the legislation?
Mac-7
06-05-2016, 08:34 AM
Who do you think is writing the legislation?
Do-gooder liberal morons
no one has to force or bribe the liberal nanny state to butt into the private sector
Mayor bloomberg for instance arbitrarily mandating the size of soft drinks drinks in NYC is an example
Peter1469
06-05-2016, 08:40 AM
Do-gooder liberal morons
no one has to force or bribe the liberal nanny state to butt into the private sector
Mayor bloomberg for instance arbitrarily mandating the size of soft drinks drinks in NYC is an example
The way things work inside the Beltway: the lobbyists for Bud and Miller take Congress Critters and staff out to dinner at expensive DC restaurants with lots of booze and food. The next day they assist in drafting legislation like this. Or even provide a complete draft bill to give to Congress.
Mac-7
06-05-2016, 09:13 AM
The way things work inside the Beltway: the lobbyists for Bud and Miller take Congress Critters and staff out to dinner at expensive DC restaurants with lots of booze and food. The next day they assist in drafting legislation like this. Or even provide a complete draft bill to give to Congress.
Ok, that COULD happen
but there no evidence thats what happened here
MisterVeritis
06-05-2016, 09:14 AM
Ok, that COULD happen
but there no evidence thats what happened here
The evidence is the impact of the legislation itself.
Mac-7
06-05-2016, 09:22 AM
The evidence is the impact of the legislation itself.
Or it could be an unintended consequence of clueless liberals in government doin' good as they see it
MisterVeritis
06-05-2016, 09:26 AM
Or it could be an unintended consequence of liberals in government doin' good as they see it
You are reaching. And it is nonsense.
Imagine that. Every small company will be harmed while none of the large companies will have a problem. Imagine this same scene repeated everywhere at every level of government. Imagine that politicians who make no more than I did for my last decade can arrive in Washington DC and magically become millionaires. Imagine that large companies can use political power to squash competition.
Now imagine that all of this is simply the unintended consequence of a government no longer limited by a written Constitution.
Mac-7
06-05-2016, 10:21 AM
You are reaching. And it is nonsense.
Imagine that. Every small company will be harmed while none of the large companies will have a problem. Imagine this same scene repeated everywhere at every level of government. Imagine that politicians who make no more than I did for my last decade can arrive in Washington DC and magically become millionaires. Imagine that large companies can use political power to squash competition.
Now imagine that all of this is simply the unintended consequence of a government no longer limited by a written Constitution.
I'm going on the available evidence that Budweiser or Coors is responsible
which is none
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:evil:
MisterVeritis
06-05-2016, 10:55 AM
I'm going on the available evidence that Budweiser or Coors is responsible
which is none
We can agree to disagree. I cannot force you to be right.
Mac-7
06-05-2016, 10:59 AM
We can agree to disagree. .
Check
AZ Jim
06-05-2016, 01:24 PM
Crony capitalism. The big crap beer companies are using the government to hurt their competition.
This is not capitalism....You still wearing that old tin hat, eh?
Peter1469
06-05-2016, 01:41 PM
You still wearing that old tin hat, eh?
No, why?
I don't believe the old saying that you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
You have a lot you can learn in the time that you have. Make the most of it.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 01:49 PM
And, for the record, they can have my "craft" beer.
Craft brewing snobs ruined the craft. It's all over-hopped piss.
Thats not true.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 01:58 PM
Crony capitalism. The big crap beer companies are using the government to hurt their competition.
This is not capitalism....
You still wearing that old tin hat, eh?
That's not a conspiracy theory. Microbreweries are producing a much better product and instead of trying to compete, the large swill breweries are buying off the the lawmakers. That's anti-capitalism.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 01:59 PM
I don't believe the old saying that you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Its true in some cases.
Dr. Who
06-05-2016, 02:54 PM
Ok, that COULD happen
but there no evidence thats what happened here
It doesn't end up being part of the legislation by accident. It's not like craft beer is considered a huge source of mystery calories with diet conscious beer drinkers endlessly lobbying their congresspersons to force those craft brewers to properly label their beer. Nor do legislators while away the hours wondering which new industry they can harass with expensive regulations. No one but the major brewers would have a reason.
donttread
06-05-2016, 03:19 PM
It doesn't end up being part of the legislation by accident. It's not like craft beer is considered a huge source of mystery calories with diet conscious beer drinkers endlessly lobbying their congresspersons to force those craft brewers to properly label their beer. Nor do legislators while away the hours wondering which new industry they can harass with expensive regulations. No one but the major brewers would have a reason.
What is the calorie range for beer and if your're only having 4 or 5 a couple times a week who cares?
Dr. Who
06-05-2016, 03:29 PM
What is the calorie range for beer and if your're only having 4 or 5 a couple times a week who cares?
It's pretty high, but people who are picky about beer are not generally the people that drink it in mass quantities.
Peter1469
06-05-2016, 04:45 PM
What is the calorie range for beer and if your're only having 4 or 5 a couple times a week who cares?
100-160 per 12 ounce depending on what it is. Here is a long list with a wider range. (http://www.wastedcalories.com/beercalories.html)
donttread
06-05-2016, 04:48 PM
100-160 per 12 ounce depending on what it is. Here is a long list with a wider range. (http://www.wastedcalories.com/beercalories.html)
So five beers could vary no more than 300 calories, practically meaningless to a social drinker
Dr. Who
06-05-2016, 04:57 PM
So five beers could vary no more than 300 calories, practically meaningless to a social drinker
I think the darker it is, the more calories that it has in general.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:08 PM
The craft beer industry in America is one of the best examples of drug legalization and free markets.
The wealth of diversity and choice that characterizes this industry is simply amazing.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-052kTS1eOEc/UEeAIF36e-I/AAAAAAAAADQ/sJYIMD7Ukcc/s1600/IMG_3399.JPG
And, of course, because this drug is legal, there is virtually no organized crime related to its manufacture and distribution.
So the craft beer industry is a smashing success on all fronts, and pretty much everyone in America likes or loves it.
Naturally, then, Democrats will want to destroy it by heaping more taxes and regulations on top of it, just like they're doing with the internet, Uber, and AirBnB.
Rest assured, if something is a gigantic success that 99% of people love, Democrats are going to try and ruin it somehow.
And they will claim it's for your own good, because you're too dumb to make your own decisions.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:14 PM
And, for the record, they can have my "craft" beer.
Craft brewing snobs ruined the craft. It's all over-hopped piss.
Couldn't disagree more.
I love walking into the local liquor store and seeing so much diversity and choice in one product.
It's really amazing when you think about it.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:15 PM
It's the capitalism we have here today.
Well it wasn't libertarians and conservatives who did this. It was Democrats. So maybe direct your complaints at them?
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:17 PM
Ok, that COULD happen
but there no evidence thats what happened here
Those companies aggressively lobby the US government for a reason.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:19 PM
I'm going on the available evidence that Budweiser or Coors is responsible
which is none
Aside from the massive time and effort they spend lobbying the US government and influencing legislation.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:20 PM
You still wearing that old tin hat, eh?
Absolutely amazing.
Democrats like you constantly tell people that big corporations are perverting the political process and influencing policies, yet when someone says the exact same thing, you accuse them of wearing a tin foil hat.
Will you make up your mind already? Just pick a position and stick with it for once.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:24 PM
If someone wants to know how many calories are in a craft beer, all they need to do is ask the manufacturer or the distributor.
But this isn't really about empowering consumers, because consumers aren't asking to be empowered in this way.
I haven't met a single person who said they cared about calorie counts on craft beers.
In fact, I never even knew it was an issue until today.
But this is typical Democrat regulatory fetishism.
Creating problems where none exist in order to extend their control over our lives, all while benefiting their corporate patrons.
The only things they aren't interested in regulating seem to be abortion and gay sex.
Everything else is fair game.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:25 PM
Maybe craft brewers need to start adding some aborted babies to their product. Then Democrats might not be so quick to regulate them.
Captain Obvious
06-05-2016, 05:33 PM
Couldn't disagree more.
I love walking into the local liquor store and seeing so much diversity and choice in one product.
It's really amazing when you think about it.
The vast minority of those beers are not according to style, most of them are just over-hopped piss, because beer snobs (kids, 20-30-somethings) equate hoppiness to quality.
It's got to the point where I don't even bother trying new beers anymore, haven't for years. I'm sick of asking for a pale ale and getting an over-hopped IPA.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:47 PM
The vast minority of those beers are not according to style, most of them are just over-hopped piss, because beer snobs (kids, 20-30-somethings) equate hoppiness to quality.
It's got to the point where I don't even bother trying new beers anymore, haven't for years. I'm sick of asking for a pale ale and getting an over-hopped IPA.
That hasn't been my experience.
I recently tried a beer that had some subdued citrus notes and a very clean profile.
Really enjoyed it.
But to each his own.
Captain Obvious
06-05-2016, 05:49 PM
That hasn't been my experience.
I recently tried a beer that had some subdued citrus notes and a very clean profile.
Really enjoyed it.
But to each his own.
What was it?
I'm not saying there aren't any good craft beers out there, IME most of them are just overhopped because that's what the crowd wants, which is fine, I like beers that generally conform to styles and I don't want to be tasting it 3 days later.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 05:51 PM
What was it?
I'm not saying there aren't any good craft beers out there, IME most of them are just overhopped because that's what the crowd wants, which is fine, I like beers that generally conform to styles and I don't want to be tasting it 3 days later.
I was trying to remember.
It has an angler fish on the label.
Let me think on it and I'll get back to you.
It's not hoppy at all, so you might like it.
Captain Obvious
06-05-2016, 05:55 PM
One of the biggest problems with craft beers is balance.
I don't mind hoppy beers, but a pale ale should not be overly hoppy as most of the craft beer versions I've had are.
A lot of hops without the body, mouthfeel is awful IMO.
Peter1469
06-05-2016, 06:17 PM
So five beers could vary no more than 300 calories, practically meaningless to a social drinker
It depends on what else you consume and what sort of exercise you do.
If you are a fat ass who gets no exercise, worrying about a couple of beers is a waste of your time.
Peter1469
06-05-2016, 06:19 PM
Around here they are good at letting customers know which craft beers are high in hops.
As I have said before, sometimes that hits the spot. But just one.
Crepitus
06-05-2016, 06:28 PM
Well it wasn't libertarians and conservatives who did this. It was Democrats. So maybe direct your complaints at them?
All are guilty.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 06:53 PM
It's funny to watch people who drink nasty swill like Coors or Miller talk trash about the good beers.
Captain Obvious
06-05-2016, 07:02 PM
It's funny to watch people who drink nasty swill like Coors or Miller talk trash about the good beers.
As usual, you're talking out of your ass.
I don't drink that stuff, I make my own.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 07:16 PM
As usual, you're talking out of your ass.
I don't drink that stuff, I make my own.
the world isn't about you only.
I brew my own too, but I like many micro or craft brews.
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 07:18 PM
All are guilty.
How are libertarians and conservatives responsible for something that was passed exclusively by Democrats?
Ethereal
06-05-2016, 07:20 PM
It's funny to watch people who drink nasty swill like Coors or Miller talk trash about the good beers.
I have no problem with Coors or Miller.
As far as mass produced beers go, they aren't bad.
Captain Obvious
06-05-2016, 07:22 PM
the world isn't about you only.
I brew my own too, but I like many micro or craft brews.
Yeah, but I'm the only one on the thread bashing craft beer, dumbass.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 07:22 PM
I have no problem with Coors or Miller.
As far as mass produced beers go, they aren't bad.
Miller can do in a pinch, but Coors is straight up nasty.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 07:24 PM
Yeah, but I'm the only one on the thread bashing craft beer, dumbass.
Ok. Usually I disregard your incoherent ramblings.
Crepitus
06-05-2016, 07:32 PM
How are libertarians and conservatives responsible for something that was passed exclusively by Democrats?
Not all passed by democrats.
Scott walker supported using $200 million dollars for a basketball stadium for the Bucks.
Marco rubio backs subsidies, loans, and import protections for the sugar industry.
How about George Bush and Ken Lay of Enron?
There are plenty of examples on the democratic side as well.
Both sides, not just one.
Common
06-05-2016, 07:34 PM
Miller can do in a pinch, but Coors is straight up nasty.
Miller light is good for a domestic light, coors is pisswater to me
Common
06-05-2016, 07:35 PM
I like canadian and German Beer. I dont drink much beer at all. I dont drink much of anything really.
Tahuyaman
06-05-2016, 08:30 PM
Miller light is good for a domestic light, coors is pisswater to me
there's no such thing as a good light beer.
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