A weak Moment of Honesty

[zelmo1234]

So I have to be a little bit Honesty about the Presidential Election.

It is Sad, and I hope that others will see it this way too. Can you believe that we will have a choice between Clinton and Trump?

330 million people and this is what will likely be the choice. sure there will be of others in the race? But do they have the character needed to be a leader? Of course if compared to Trump and Hillary? Yes, but not my cup of TEA"

So what is the answer?

I say that we make the President a CEO position.

That person must lay out in detail the plans, who will be in their Cabinet. The costs, Which Judgers they would pic, There Budget, the suspected Results A total and complete package of how they would lead the country.

Hillary and Trump can start on this tomorrow. That way we don't have to hear them for 3 months.

And Then they release it and the media can go through it for a month.

The the last month before the election the candidates have 2 debates a week, but the debates are on the top 8 concerns of the voters and that is the only topic that can be discussed.

The Media will be their but the panel would be the top 3 people in that field, And they have the right to call BS..

Then to get better people involved in the Race for the Presidency next time well offer a 5 billion dollar bonus for the President that can leave the country at least 10% better then when he took office.

Maybe then we will have better choices than a shitburger, and a turd sandwich.

[Common]

We dont have a choice really, I truly doubt trump will win and nothing is going to change in elections.

Every cycle theres talk we have to change this or that and since I started voting at 21 everything is still the same.

[valley ranch]

We don't have an Eisenhower or a Reagan standing for the post. Bill Clinton's wife is unthinkable but there it is. Donald Trump is the only one that makes sense. Even though the trash and big money is talking against him.

Yes, he says what he think, instead of politically BSing. He just may be what this country needs. The alternative is continuing down the road we've been on.

[PolWatch]

I've been trying to vote for the least evil of 2 options in prior elections. Now, I don't see a lot of difference in either candidate. Kasich vs Webb would have been an election....Trump vs Clinton is just a tragedy.

[AZ Jim]

I have been voting a long time and have had to make this kind of decision before. I am once again doing what I did then, voting for the one I feel is the lesser of evils. I'll vote for Clinton and pray trump is defeated. I resent anyone who plays we voters the way he has/does. He is wholly unqualified. Don't bother to tell me how wrong I am, you vote your way and allow me to do likewise.

[Peter1469]

Clinton isn't just unqualified. She has verified for all thinkers that she isn't up to the job.

[PolWatch]

Clinton isn't just unqualified. She has verified for all thinkers that she isn't up to the job.

Can't dispute that but I fail to see Trump as being any better. His supporters are shooting the dice & hoping he will live up to the job. He is doing nothing but telling voters to trust him because he's rich and rude.

[AZ Jim]

Can't dispute that but I fail to see Trump as being any better. His supporters are shooting the dice & hoping he will live up to the job. He is doing nothing but telling voters to trust him because he's rich and rude.If Trump wins (I doubt it), I will haunt some people here every time he blows it bigtime.

[Peter1469]

If Trump wins (I doubt it), I will haunt some people here every time he blows it bigtime.
If Hillary wins you will cheer on her failures. Right?

[AZ Jim]

If Hillary wins you will cheer on her failures. Right?Did you mean WHEN?

[Peter1469]

Did you mean WHEN?

No.

[valley ranch]

Na, I can see a real difference in the two. Clinton is Clinton a lying old thing that will keep us on this same treadmill.

Trump, Donald Trump, I believe will put together a country government, like he puts together a corporation a winning company a winning country, like we use to be, who we are. He, Trump, will do the best for all Americans, using the best, each to do what he's best at, like a good leader, and I think he'll call his plays and listen to the people.

There's a clear difference! It's our choice those who want more of what we have will vote for Clinton's wife.

Americans who want a better run country, president can only do what a president can do, have or will vote for Donald Trump.

That's how I sees it.

[Tahuyaman]

I've been trying to vote for the least evil of 2 options in prior elections. Now, I don't see a lot of difference in either candidate. Kasich vs Webb would have been an election....Trump vs Clinton is just a tragedy.

people have been using the "lesser of two evils" cliché for as long as I can remember. However, this election is truly one we are being confronted with two completely unacceptable candidates. I don't if the lesser modifier fits in this case.

When I'm confronted with making a choice between two unacceptable candidates, I choose to reject both.

[Tahuyaman]

Can't dispute that but I fail to see Trump as being any better. His supporters are shooting the dice & hoping he will live up to the job. He is doing nothing but telling voters to trust him because he's rich and rude.

No. He's telling people to trust him because he views the job of president as one where you need to make deals and he's presenting himself as the ultimate deal maker.

[Tahuyaman]

If Hillary wins you will cheer on her failures. Right?

Her failures will either be spun as a success, denied or blamed on Bush, just as it is with Obama.

[birddog]

people have been using the "lesser of two evils" cliché for as long as I can remember. However, this election is truly one we are being confronted with two completely unacceptable candidates. I don't if the lesser modifier fits in this case.

When I'm confronted with making a choice between two unacceptable candidates, I choose to reject both.

There is a big difference between Trump and Clinton shown by his list of SCOTUS nominees. If you can't see that Trump is far better than Clinton, you are exposing a great deal of ignorance!

[maineman]

The job of President is too big, and the tools at his disposal are just too fearfully, evil and awesome, I will not vote for a candidate who has demonstrated a propensity for shooting from the hip.

[AZ Jim]

There is a big difference between Trump and Clinton shown by his list of SCOTUS nominees. If you can't see that Trump is far better than Clinton, you are exposing a great deal of ignorance!If it's so obviously why not lay it out for us. List all the reasons trump is the better candidate. List all his attributes, line for line....let's see it. Waiting.......

[Tahuyaman]

There is a big difference between Trump and Clinton shown by his list of SCOTUS nominees. If you can't see that Trump is far better than Clinton, you are exposing a great deal of ignorance!


While the Supreme Court is a valid concern, a solid conservative congress can mitigate that.

[Tahuyaman]

If it's so obviously why not lay it out for us. List all the reasons trump is the better candidate. List all his attributes, line for line....let's see it. Waiting.......

Neither Trump nor Clinton can be supported based on their individual merits.

[zelmo1234]

If Trump wins (I doubt it), I will haunt some people here every time he blows it bigtime.


If he really tries to change things, there will be failures.

But what we can count on is Hillary. She will do exactly what the last 2 administrations have been doing, and that we know is a failure.

My favorite part of the election cycle so far is that she is going to put Bill in charge of the economy.

We if you are a student of History, you will know that Bill Clintons Capital Gains Tax cut in 96 is what created the lions share of jobs and wealth in his presidency. It, like all boom cycles created the Dot Com bubble as well.

So What Hillary was saying to her base was that she plans on cutting taxes for the rich to get the economy going.

The second part of that is the spending freezes and cuts that came with the 1996 budget.

Democrats don't what to hear any of that. But if they do what Bill did, that is exactly what will happen.

[zelmo1234]

No. He's telling people to trust him because he views the job of president as one where you need to make deals and he's presenting himself as the ultimate deal maker.

And there is some truth to that.

We have just finished 7.5 years of my way or the highway politics.

[zelmo1234]

The job of President is too big, and the tools at his disposal are just too fearfully, evil and awesome, I will not vote for a candidate who has demonstrated a propensity for shooting from the hip.

I admit that Trump shoots form the hip, but the alternative is Appeasement, and that is what has the world in the position that it is in today.

[zelmo1234]

While the Supreme Court is a valid concern, a solid conservative congress can mitigate that.

But they don't. Congress and the Senate are the same Establishment. There is no difference between D and R. They get on TV talk a little smack but in the end they cave in.

The Court writes laws now. and there are no checks and balances. That is the really scary part when you are looking at a Hillary, that would sell her soul to enrich the Clinton name. and a Trump that would do the same for his ego.

[maineman]

I admit that Trump shoots form the hip, but the alternative is Appeasement, and that is what has the world in the position that it is in today.

appeasement is the only alternative to shooting from the hip? That doesn't pass the smell test.

[Tahuyaman]

But they don't. Congress and the Senate are the same Establishment. There is no difference between D and R. They get on TV talk a little smack but in the end they cave in.

The Court writes laws now. and there are no checks and balances. That is the really scary part when you are looking at a Hillary, that would sell her soul to enrich the Clinton name. and a Trump that would do the same for his ego.

Thats why I said a strong "conservative" congress can mitigate that nomination through the advice and concent requirement. A true conservative majority would not compromise onstitutional principles in order to appear non, or bi partisan. They would not care about what the partisans think or say.

[zelmo1234]

appeasement is the only alternative to shooting from the hip? That doesn't pass the smell test.

Of course not, but we can assume that Hillary will follow the same path that she did as SoS. She tells us that is what she is going to do and she agrees with the Iran Deal and how we are handleing the "Terrorist" though she and Obama will not call them that.

So what they are doing now is largely appeasement. If she does what she is telling us that she will do, it would be more of the same.

[zelmo1234]

Thats why I said a strong "conservative" congress can mitigate that nomination through the advice and concent requirement. A true conservative majority would not compromise onstitutional principles in order to appear non, or bi partisan. They would not care about what the partisans think or say.

I agree and none of the bad actors lost their seat in their primaries. So we are stuck with what we have.

That is why I have chosen to support Trump. They will rubber stamp Hillary's choices.

[maineman]

Of course not, but we can assume that Hillary will follow the same path that she did as SoS. She tells us that is what she is going to do and she agrees with the Iran Deal and how we are handleing the "Terrorist" though she and Obama will not call them that.

So what they are doing now is largely appeasement. If she does what she is telling us that she will do, it would be more of the same.

we'll have to agree to disagree.

[zelmo1234]

we'll have to agree to disagree.

That is OK but you can't base your decision on Facts, or Results. They are both on my side.

[Tahuyaman]

That is OK but you can't base your decision on Facts, or Results. They are both on my side.


I don't know if appeasement is the right word, but certainly Hillary Clinton would continue with the same failed foreign policy we see implemented today.

[The Xl]

I'm not delusional and I don't think Donald trump is going to be amazing. I'm supporting him based on a couple of critical things. One being, he's not as abysmally bad as Clinton or the other neocons. He's also not bought, he's not going to blindly follow what the military industrial complex, and the banking cartel, who have openly bribed Hillary Clinton, wants because he's not dependent on them.

Him winning would also break the global financial interests grip on the country, which absolutely needs to happen.

[MisterVeritis]

If Trump wins (I doubt it), I will haunt some people here every time he blows it bigtime.
In other words, we are never going to see you. Cool.

[MisterVeritis]

When I'm confronted with making a choice between two unacceptable candidates, I choose to reject both.
Fortunately, that is not the case this time. Trump will be magnificent. You are going to love him, so you might as well vote for him so you can brag later.

[AZ Jim]

In other words, we are never going to see you. Cool.Hold your breath.

[Tahuyaman]

Fortunately, that is not the case this time. Trump will be magnificent. You are going to love him, so you might as well vote for him so you can brag later.


I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson. But, Hillary Clinton will win Washington state. Bernie Sanders would win Washington. Shit, Stalin would win Washington state.

[Tahuyaman]

I'm not delusional and I don't think Donald trump is going to be amazing. I'm supporting him based on a couple of critical things. One being, he's not as abysmally bad as Clinton or the other neocons. He's also not bought, he's not going to blindly follow what the military industrial complex, and the banking cartel, who have openly bribed Hillary Clinton, wants because he's not dependent on them.

Him winning would also break the global financial interests grip on the country, which absolutely needs to happen.


I Think you overestimate his ability to buck the "global financial interests" you spoke of.

[PolWatch]

Trump would do what he has always done....whatever benefits Trump. He has already declared bankruptcy for 4 businesses. He walked away and everyone says what a clever businessman he is. How many people & small businesses did he ruin so he could walk away? This is the sort of person you want to be in charge of our nation? No thanks. Considering the choices I can only hope that Congress continues to sit on its collective hands and do nothing.

I'll either not vote or vote for Jill Stein. It won't matter because Alabama will vote for Hitler if he had an 'r' after his name.

[Peter1469]

Trump would do what he has always done....whatever benefits Trump. He has already declared bankruptcy for 4 businesses. He walked away and everyone says what a clever businessman he is. How many people & small businesses did he ruin so he could walk away? This is the sort of person you want to be in charge of our nation? No thanks. Considering the choices I can only hope that Congress continues to sit on its collective hands and do nothing.

I'll either not vote or vote for Jill Stein. It won't matter because Alabama will vote for Hitler if he had an 'r' after his name.

The bankruptcy code is the way we deleverage debt under the rule of law. It is better than chaos.

[Tahuyaman]

I will not support Trump based on things I don't know about him and I believe it's not worth the risk.

I won't support Hillary based on the things I know about her and absolutely know she would be a catastrophe.

[PolWatch]

The bankruptcy code is the way we deleverage debt under the rule of law. It is better than chaos.

I remember several years ago when Warren was leading the opposition to tightening up the personal bankruptcy laws. The loudest opponents were repubs who said it was just a way for people to avoid responsibility, to make others pay for their mistakes. Now, the same people want us to elect someone who uses those same laws (or the business version) to avoid responsibility for their poor judgement & choices? Its acceptable to default on millions, causing multiple small businesses great harm or failure, but not acceptable to default on smaller amounts?

[Peter1469]

I remember several years ago when Warren was leading the opposition to tightening up the personal bankruptcy laws. The loudest opponents were repubs who said it was just a way for people to avoid responsibility, to make others pay for their mistakes. Now, the same people want us to elect someone who uses those same laws (or the business version) to avoid responsibility for their poor judgement & choices? Its acceptable to default on millions, causing multiple small businesses great harm or failure, but not acceptable to default on smaller amounts?

The republican position was solely to protect the banks and big business. That defeats the purpose of the bankruptcy code. Banks and big business are sophisticated actors in the market and know what risk means and should not toss money at risks that are too great for them.

I spoke out about those changes at the time.

[valley ranch]

When I/we come into ownership of a business that should be closed for reasons of good business practice. The Bankruptcy law permits the liquidation of assets to be sold and the funds be use to repay persons or companies who hold debt, that the monies not be considered prophet or gain and come under the tax code. If the government holds debt they may also claim.

[PolWatch]

The republican position was solely to protect the banks and big business. That defeats the purpose of the bankruptcy code. Banks and big business are sophisticated actors in the market and know what risk means and should not toss money at risks that are too great for them.

I spoke out about those changes at the time.

The fact that Trump has done that 4 times should give people pause. His major talking point is what a great businessman he is....how smart he is at making deals. I think he's the only person to lose money on a casino in Atlantic City.

[AZ Jim]

When I/we come into ownership of a business that should be closed for reasons of good business practice. The Bankruptcy law permits the liquidation of assets to be sold and the funds be use to repay persons or companies who hold debt, that the monies not be considered prophet or gain and come under the tax code. If the government holds debt they may also claim.Please learn the meaning of words before using them in your lectures Professor.....

[Tahuyaman]

I remember several years ago when Warren was leading the opposition to tightening up the personal bankruptcy laws. The loudest opponents were repubs who said it was just a way for people to avoid responsibility, to make others pay for their mistakes. Now, the same people want us to elect someone who uses those same laws (or the business version) to avoid responsibility for their poor judgement & choices? Its acceptable to default on millions, causing multiple small businesses great harm or failure, but not acceptable to default on smaller amounts?


One day Trump is the preferred candidate of the GOP establishment, then the next he's creating disunity and has little establishment support.

I can't keep up any more.

[suds00]

america won't win either way

[Peter1469]

The fact that Trump has done that 4 times should give people pause. His major talking point is what a great businessman he is....how smart he is at making deals. I think he's the only person to lose money on a casino in Atlantic City.

The entire city is going under:

Have N.J. lawmakers given up on effort to save Atlantic City from bankruptcy? (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/05/is_atlantic_city_closer_to_bankruptcy_than_ever.ht ml)

Atlantic City could be on the verge of bankruptcy as last-minute talks between state lawmakers over a compromise rescue plan stalled this week.

With the iconic seaside gambling resort possibly running out of money in a few days, state Assembly Speaker Vincent Prieto (D-Hudson) said last week he hoped to break a months-long impasse (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/10/trumps_controversial_time_in_ac_under_new_scrutiny _with_presidential_run.html#incart_2box_politics) and negotiate a deal to aid the city, with the Assembly voting on it Wednesday.


But a vote is not expected to take place Wednesday because Assembly Democrats have yet to reach an agreement despite days of back-room meetings.


Meanwhile, state Senate leaders who note they've already passed their own rescue plan — which has the backing of Gov. Chris Christie (http://www.nj.com/chris-christie/) — accused Prieto of ignoring the compromises they've offered. (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/04/sweeney_fears_atlantic_city_bankruptcy_after_meeti ng_with_prieto.html)


"The Senate is tired of hearing about Atlantic City," state Sen. Paul Sarlo (D-Bergen), a co-sponsor of the chamber's proposal, told NJ Advance Media. "Atlantic City fatigue has set in. The Senate has voted on a bill. My focus is now on the (state) budget."


"We're moving on," Sarlo added.

Trump was wise to cut ties with that crap hole.

[MisterVeritis]

There is a big difference between Trump and Clinton shown by his list of SCOTUS nominees. If you can't see that Trump is far better than Clinton, you are exposing a great deal of ignorance!
It is willful ignorance...

[MisterVeritis]

The job of President is too big, and the tools at his disposal are just too fearfully, evil and awesome, I will not vote for a candidate who has demonstrated a propensity for shooting from the hip.
How many other people do you know who "shoot from the hip" and create a multi-billion dollar business empire?

[MisterVeritis]

If it's so obviously why not lay it out for us. List all the reasons trump is the better candidate. List all his attributes, line for line....let's see it. Waiting.......
He is a leader with the right attitude.

[MisterVeritis]

While the Supreme Court is a valid concern, a solid conservative congress can mitigate that.
No. It cannot. And we have never had a conservative Senate.

[MisterVeritis]

Thats why I said a strong "conservative" congress can mitigate that nomination through the advice and concent requirement. A true conservative majority would not compromise onstitutional principles in order to appear non, or bi partisan. They would not care about what the partisans think or say.
You are pissing in the wind and calling it rain, Sunshine. We have never had a Conservative Senate.

[MisterVeritis]

Hold your breath.
There is no need to. Trump will win. It will be a big, surprising win. Then Trump will lead the nation. He will be fine. And you will love him. Of course, you will be scarce...

[MisterVeritis]

I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson. But, Hillary Clinton will win Washington state. Bernie Sanders would win Washington. $#@!, Stalin would win Washington state.
Then you will not get to brag.

[MisterVeritis]

I remember several years ago when Warren was leading the opposition to tightening up the personal bankruptcy laws. The loudest opponents were repubs who said it was just a way for people to avoid responsibility, to make others pay for their mistakes. Now, the same people want us to elect someone who uses those same laws (or the business version) to avoid responsibility for their poor judgement & choices? Its acceptable to default on millions, causing multiple small businesses great harm or failure, but not acceptable to default on smaller amounts?
When a liberal talks about tightening up personal bankruptcy laws she usually means that her pet organizations will not be affected by a bankruptcy. They will have a carve out to protect them from the debtor. That ends the bankruptcy's value.

[MisterVeritis]

The fact that Trump has done that 4 times should give people pause. His major talking point is what a great businessman he is....how smart he is at making deals. I think he's the only person to lose money on a casino in Atlantic City.
It means he has a sound business sense.

[zelmo1234]

The fact that Trump has done that 4 times should give people pause. His major talking point is what a great businessman he is....how smart he is at making deals. I think he's the only person to lose money on a casino in Atlantic City.

Actually the Atlantic City Casino's Took a beating. the Taxations and regulations got out of control. Not to mention the Indian casino's are taking business from the destination gambling sites

[donttread]

So I have to be a little bit Honesty about the Presidential Election.

It is Sad, and I hope that others will see it this way too. Can you believe that we will have a choice between Clinton and Trump?

330 million people and this is what will likely be the choice. sure there will be of others in the race? But do they have the character needed to be a leader? Of course if compared to Trump and Hillary? Yes, but not my cup of TEA"

So what is the answer?

I say that we make the President a CEO position.

That person must lay out in detail the plans, who will be in their Cabinet. The costs, Which Judgers they would pic, There Budget, the suspected Results A total and complete package of how they would lead the country.

Hillary and Trump can start on this tomorrow. That way we don't have to hear them for 3 months.

And Then they release it and the media can go through it for a month.

The the last month before the election the candidates have 2 debates a week, but the debates are on the top 8 concerns of the voters and that is the only topic that can be discussed.

The Media will be their but the panel would be the top 3 people in that field, And they have the right to call BS..

Then to get better people involved in the Race for the Presidency next time well offer a 5 billion dollar bonus for the President that can leave the country at least 10% better then when he took office.

Maybe then we will have better choices than a shitburger, and a turd sandwich.


I believe Stein and Johnson and likely other 3rd party candidates have far more character than either of these two buffoons , they just don't have the pieces of silver the other two have from selling out.

[Tahuyaman]

I don't know why people who call themself a conservative believe that a guy who's not a conservative will get elected and govern by conservative principles?

[MisterVeritis]

I don't know why people who call themself a conservative believe that a guy who's not a conservative will get elected and govern by conservative principles?
I don't know why a person who calls himself a conservative continues to use this dishonest appraisal. But you continue. Can you explain why you continue to use this dishonest assessment? is it all that you have left? Are you trying to make yourself feel better prior to your November stab-the-nation-in-the-back vote?

[Tahuyaman]

I don't know why people who call themself a conservative believe that a guy who's not a conservative will get elected and govern by conservative principles?


I don't know why a person who calls himself a conservative continues to use this dishonest appraisal. But you continue. Can you explain why you continue to use this dishonest assessment? is it all that you have left? Are you trying to make yourself feel better prior to your November stab-the-nation-in-the-back vote?

What specifically is dishonest about my question?

You can't lead a conservative movement by electing non-conservatives.