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Mark III
06-07-2016, 09:22 AM
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/276936/silence-death.html

...Are we not supposed to be the watchdogs, the speakers of truth to power, the guardians of democracy? It's time for a gut check. Colleagues, stop gawking. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gawker-donald-trump-hair-not-weave-article-1.2650804) Stop debating (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/no-donald-trump-has-not-softened-his-stance-on-banning-muslims/2016/05/12/6ec8d514-185c-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html). Stop obsessing on the process (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/11/donald-trump-resists-calls-to-unite-the-gop-claims-mandate-to-be-provocative.html). Stop being distracted by the daily Trumpruption (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/trump-judge-gonzalo-curiel/484790/). Stop analyzing his “policy” positions (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0Y01J4), his vp choice, his potential Supreme Court nominees (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/donald-trump-supreme-court-nominees.html?_r=0), his unreleased tax returns (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-manafort-says-hed-be-surprised-if-donald-trump-releases-tax-returns/).


This reflexive focus on the latest development, the political ebb and flow and the architecture of the coming election (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/05/26/trump-clinton-battle-could-upend-electoral-map/jWUPRiJBg41Wr2sS1HSCxK/story.html) simply buries the lede -- that the man is monstrously unfit and un-American (https://mic.com/articles/144766/11-horrible-things-donald-trump-has-said-during-his-presidential-campaign#.C4uW7lLaI) -- and normalizes the grossly, tragically abnormal.


He is racist. He is misogynistic (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/07/trump-says-foxs-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever/?tid=a_inl). He is a xenophobe (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/12/07/e56266f6-9d2b-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html) in the nation of immigrants. He has repeatedly incited violence (https://www.facebook.com/motherjones/videos/10153777810687144/). He shows neither understanding nor respect for the balance of powers, or any other aspect of the Constitution. To protect his personally thin skin, he has promised to weaken the First Amendment (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-vague-plan-to-open-up-libel-laws-misses-the-core-of-the-first-amendment/2016/03/21/c5a3b800-efa7-11e5-85a6-2132cf446d0a_story.html?tid=a_inl). He shows no appreciation for the role of government, but embraces a dictatorial vision of executive power, threatening to unilaterally scuttle international agreements, repeal legislation and default on the national debt.

(http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#3dfed7675308)

He supports torture (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/donald-trump-torture/) and war crimes against civilians (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/).


He has played footsie with and failed to disown some of his most extreme supporters, including avowed racists and anti-Semites.



He has ridiculed the disabled (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biopyTgPDpc). He has disparaged (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317) the heroism of POW John McCain. He has defended the size of his junk on national television.


Oh, and he's a pathological liar. (http://www.ibtimes.com/list-donald-trump-lies-10-claims-gop-front-runner-immigration-muslims-kkk-dont-hold-2330265)


Barry Goldwater? Sen Joseph McCarthy? Pat Buchanan? Statesmen and pussycats all compared to Trump, rabid predator and evil clown.


So if all of his horrifying disqualifications are as stated -- and they are -- why has there been no media crusade to deny him the presidency? The press jumps to warn America about missing children, tainted meat and approaching dustings of snow? Why are we not on high fucking alert?

Mark III
06-07-2016, 09:22 AM
A little plain talk for you to digest with your breakfast.

Private Pickle
06-07-2016, 09:28 AM
lol

FindersKeepers
06-07-2016, 09:30 AM
...yawn...

Cigar
06-07-2016, 09:34 AM
Denials to Follow ... Look over there ... Hillary is a Lier :laugh:

hanger4
06-07-2016, 09:45 AM
I have absolutely no problem with this Mark III especially this part;

"The only right choice is for truth. And righteous condemnation, not ghettoized on opinion pages but front and center. Every day."
U
The problem I see, and you're one of worse, is it goes both ways, or at least it should.

The links author castigated the media for not speaking truth to power involving Trump yet refrains from castigating the media for not speaking truth to power involving Clinton.

This author has a major problem with double standards and unfortunately he's too blinded by partisanship to see.

zelmo1234
06-07-2016, 09:50 AM
And Yet? It would seem that Not once have the left been able to post those Racist Statements

But I will Ask again, What do you think the most Racist Statement that Donald Trump has made?

The talk about Trump inciting violence, and yet the left is calling for Sanders to be harmed, rushing the stage, committing violent acts trying to end the free speech of other!

Tell me Trump is against women? but has he ever tried to silence those that have been Sexually assaulted? Has he hire people to stalk their families and even in one case kill the family pet? NO! that is not Donald Trump, my friends, those actions belong to Hillary Clinton.

They Tell me that Mr. Trump is not fit to be president, and I am not so sure that they are not right. But this article has him being Un-American???? Again I will Ask, Has Donald Trump ever refuse US officials the security they were begging for? Has he ever refused to send a rescue force in to save Americans that had to endure 9 hour of hell while being under attack. Did Trump then blame those actions on a video, and lie to the loved ones of the people she allowed to be murdered? Has Donald Trump ever sold influence to the state Department? There is a clear pattern of Very large donations to the Clinton foundation, followed very shortly by very favorable rulings by the state Department in favor of those nations, many which are sponsors of world wide terrorism? No My friends, once again these actions belong to one Hillary Clinton.

And then of course Trump is a Liar? Well Yes, Yes he is. However when compared to Hillary Clinton, he can't hold a candle to he lies and deceptions, many of which through her illegal setting up of a private server for top secret government communications, may have cost many Americans their very lives.

Yes! Friends we do need to be on High Alert, but it is not for the Rude Business man that would like to see some honor and prosperity return to the USA? Yes he may be an idiot, and he may very well be a poor President

but Trump is for America, and Clearly the other choice would never put America First, she lacks the concern for the safety and welfare of the American people, and would have this country for sale to the highest bidder. All while continuing to withdraw and let our enemies gain power and influence all over the world.

Yes! we must act and act now to prevent this Anti American, anti women, anti worker and anti freedom and democracy monster from every seeing the White house again.

And then we should insist that the government punish her for her many crimes against the people of the USA. So it sends a warning to others that would sell the Freedom and prosperity of the citizens of the USA to that highest bidder.

How is that Breakfast sitting now you lying Fucks on the left.

Chris
06-07-2016, 09:52 AM
Denials to Follow ... Look over there ... Hillary is a Lier :laugh:

She is a liar. Go ahead, deny it.

Chris
06-07-2016, 09:57 AM
And Yet? It would seem that Not once have the left been able to post those Racist Statements

But I will Ask again, What do you think the most Racist Statement that Donald Trump has made?

The talk about Trump inciting violence, and yet the left is calling for Sanders to be harmed, rushing the stage, committing violent acts trying to end the free speech of other!

Tell me Trump is against women? but has he ever tried to silence those that have been Sexually assaulted? Has he hire people to stalk their families and even in one case kill the family pet? NO! that is not Donald Trump, my friends, those actions belong to Hillary Clinton.

They Tell me that Mr. Trump is not fit to be president, and I am not so sure that they are not right. But this article has him being Un-American???? Again I will Ask, Has Donald Trump ever refuse US officials the security they were begging for? Has he ever refused to send a rescue force in to save Americans that had to endure 9 hour of hell while being under attack. Did Trump then blame those actions on a video, and lie to the loved ones of the people she allowed to be murdered? Has Donald Trump ever sold influence to the state Department? There is a clear pattern of Very large donations to the Clinton foundation, followed very shortly by very favorable rulings by the state Department in favor of those nations, many which are sponsors of world wide terrorism? No My friends, once again these actions belong to one Hillary Clinton.

And then of course Trump is a Liar? Well Yes, Yes he is. However when compared to Hillary Clinton, he can't hold a candle to he lies and deceptions, many of which through her illegal setting up of a private server for top secret government communications, may have cost many Americans their very lives.

Yes! Friends we do need to be on High Alert, but it is not for the Rude Business man that would like to see some honor and prosperity return to the USA? Yes he may be an idiot, and he may very well be a poor President

but Trump is for America, and Clearly the other choice would never put America First, she lacks the concern for the safety and welfare of the American people, and would have this country for sale to the highest bidder. All while continuing to withdraw and let our enemies gain power and influence all over the world.

Yes! we must act and act now to prevent this Anti American, anti women, anti worker and anti freedom and democracy monster from every seeing the White house again.

And then we should insist that the government punish her for her many crimes against the people of the USA. So it sends a warning to others that would sell the Freedom and prosperity of the citizens of the USA to that highest bidder.

How is that Breakfast sitting now you lying Fucks on the left.



But Trump is a racist and if you try to discuss that then you are a racist too. That's how this works.

zelmo1234
06-07-2016, 10:10 AM
But Trump is a racist and if you try to discuss that then you are a racist too. That's how this works.

Yes it took about 6 years to start wearing on me, and now I can't abide by it any longer. I have entered the point that I will not go out of my way to help a liberal, As a matter of fact I will go out of my way to avoid helping a liberal.

I, according to them am a monster. I am in the top 5% in income and 2% in wealth, according to the left I stole that money from them.

I have taken issue with illegal immigration, the ACA, Tax increase, and Foreign policies of the current administration. That according to the left makes me Racist.

I believe in God and supported Traditional marriage, that means that I am a Bible thumping Homophobe.

So I assume that the left would not want any help from someone like me. So I shall abide by their wishes, at this point I have NO regard for them or their welfare what so ever.

Let them run to their all powerful government for help

Crepitus
06-07-2016, 10:13 AM
I have absolutely no problem with this @Mark III (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1742) especially this part;

"The only right choice is for truth. And righteous condemnation, not ghettoized on opinion pages but front and center. Every day."
U
The problem I see, and you're one of worse, is it goes both ways, or at least it should.

The links author castigated the media for not speaking truth to power involving Trump yet refrains from castigating the media for not speaking truth to power involving Clinton.

This author has a major problem with double standards and unfortunately he's too blinded by partisanship to see.
Damn right. MUST go both ways.

hanger4
06-07-2016, 10:23 AM
Damn right. MUST go both ways.

I honestly believe if the media spoke truth to power across the political spectrum then we wouldn't have Clinton or Trump. Hell I believe they wouldn't have even run for fear of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

del
06-07-2016, 10:24 AM
Yes it took about 6 years to start wearing on me, and now I can't abide by it any longer. I have entered the point that I will not go out of my way to help a liberal, As a matter of fact I will go out of my way to avoid helping a liberal.

I, according to them am a monster. I am in the top 5% in income and 2% in wealth, according to the left I stole that money from them.

I have taken issue with illegal immigration, the ACA, Tax increase, and Foreign policies of the current administration. That according to the left makes me Racist.

I believe in God and supported Traditional marriage, that means that I am a Bible thumping Homophobe.

So I assume that the left would not want any help from someone like me. So I shall abide by their wishes, at this point I have NO regard for them or their welfare what so ever.

Let them run to their all powerful government for help


get over yourself

you're just another asshole on the internet

no more

Crepitus
06-07-2016, 10:42 AM
Yes it took about 6 years to start wearing on me, and now I can't abide by it any longer. I have entered the point that I will not go out of my way to help a liberal, As a matter of fact I will go out of my way to avoid helping a liberal.

I, according to them am a monster. I am in the top 5% in income and 2% in wealth, according to the left I stole that money from them.

I have taken issue with illegal immigration, the ACA, Tax increase, and Foreign policies of the current administration. That according to the left makes me Racist.

I believe in God and supported Traditional marriage, that means that I am a Bible thumping Homophobe.

So I assume that the left would not want any help from someone like me. So I shall abide by their wishes, at this point I have NO regard for them or their welfare what so ever.

Let them run to their all powerful government for help
See now there's the difference between you and me, I'm a liberal, an atheist, and don't brag about my income every chance I get, but I'll still cross a highway to help your ultra conservative ass change a tire.

zelmo1234
06-07-2016, 10:46 AM
See now there's the difference between you and me, I'm a liberal, an atheist, and don't brag about my income every chance I get, but I'll still cross a highway to help your ultra conservative ass change a tire.

He has not been calling you every name in the book for the past 8 years. It is just starting for you on the left, And already the ranks are crying foul. Wait until you put up with 8 to 10 years of this shit.

Then see if you would go across the street.

Chris
06-07-2016, 10:49 AM
get over yourself

you're just another asshole on the internet

no more


Bad faith name calling. Address what's said, address topic, or find one you can.

birddog
06-07-2016, 10:55 AM
A little plain talk for you to digest with your breakfast.

No digestion needed here as I quickly disregard lies like yours.

Any points made that were partly true are strengths that we need. Get ready to say "President Trump!":grin:

The Sage of Main Street
06-07-2016, 11:53 AM
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/276936/silence-death.html

...Are we not supposed to be the watchdogs, the speakers of truth to power, the guardians of democracy? It's time for a gut check. Colleagues, stop gawking. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gawker-donald-trump-hair-not-weave-article-1.2650804) Stop debating (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/no-donald-trump-has-not-softened-his-stance-on-banning-muslims/2016/05/12/6ec8d514-185c-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html). Stop obsessing on the process (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/11/donald-trump-resists-calls-to-unite-the-gop-claims-mandate-to-be-provocative.html). Stop being distracted by the daily Trumpruption (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/trump-judge-gonzalo-curiel/484790/). Stop analyzing his “policy” positions (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0Y01J4), his vp choice, his potential Supreme Court nominees (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/donald-trump-supreme-court-nominees.html?_r=0), his unreleased tax returns (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-manafort-says-hed-be-surprised-if-donald-trump-releases-tax-returns/).


This reflexive focus on the latest development, the political ebb and flow and the architecture of the coming election (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/05/26/trump-clinton-battle-could-upend-electoral-map/jWUPRiJBg41Wr2sS1HSCxK/story.html) simply buries the lede -- that the man is monstrously unfit and un-American (https://mic.com/articles/144766/11-horrible-things-donald-trump-has-said-during-his-presidential-campaign#.C4uW7lLaI) -- and normalizes the grossly, tragically abnormal.


He is racist. He is misogynistic (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/07/trump-says-foxs-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever/?tid=a_inl). He is a xenophobe (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/12/07/e56266f6-9d2b-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html) in the nation of immigrants. He has repeatedly incited violence (https://www.facebook.com/motherjones/videos/10153777810687144/). He shows neither understanding nor respect for the balance of powers, or any other aspect of the Constitution. To protect his personally thin skin, he has promised to weaken the First Amendment (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-vague-plan-to-open-up-libel-laws-misses-the-core-of-the-first-amendment/2016/03/21/c5a3b800-efa7-11e5-85a6-2132cf446d0a_story.html?tid=a_inl). He shows no appreciation for the role of government, but embraces a dictatorial vision of executive power, threatening to unilaterally scuttle international agreements, repeal legislation and default on the national debt.

(http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#3dfed7675308)

He supports torture (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/donald-trump-torture/) and war crimes against civilians (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/).


He has played footsie with and failed to disown some of his most extreme supporters, including avowed racists and anti-Semites.



He has ridiculed the disabled (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biopyTgPDpc). He has disparaged (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317) the heroism of POW John McCain. He has defended the size of his junk on national television.


Oh, and he's a pathological liar. (http://www.ibtimes.com/list-donald-trump-lies-10-claims-gop-front-runner-immigration-muslims-kkk-dont-hold-2330265)


Barry Goldwater? Sen Joseph McCarthy? Pat Buchanan? Statesmen and $#@!cats all compared to Trump, rabid predator and evil clown.


So if all of his horrifying disqualifications are as stated -- and they are -- why has there been no media crusade to deny him the presidency? The press jumps to warn America about missing children, tainted meat and approaching dustings of snow? Why are we not on high $#@!ing alert? Now that you're done preaching to your Demwit choir, tell us some things about Trump that the Silent Majority doesn't like.

The Sage of Main Street
06-07-2016, 11:56 AM
A little plain talk for you to digest with your breakfast. You've only served us Gerber's. We deserve a better dessert than that.

OGIS
06-07-2016, 12:19 PM
You've only served us Gerber's. We deserve a better dessert than that.

what have you done to earn it?

AZ Jim
06-07-2016, 12:24 PM
...yawn...Utter disregard for disturbing fact, thanks for being a caring citizen.

Mark III
06-07-2016, 12:53 PM
There is zero doubt in my mind that we are headed toward a "civil war" relative to this election. A third of the country intends to vote for Donald Trump even if he "shot someone in Times Square". This is a level of insanity among the electorate we haven't seen before. Medical doctors have written learned articles explaining that Trump is psychologically dysfunctional, and yet he has his loyal fans and supporters. Sane people have no choice but to fight this craziness every step of the way. May God help us. :rollseyes:

Chris
06-07-2016, 01:01 PM
There is zero doubt in my mind that we are headed toward a "civil war" relative to this election. A third of the country intends to vote for Donald Trump even if he "shot someone in Times Square". This is a level of insanity among the electorate we haven't seen before. Medical doctors have written learned articles explaining that Trump is psychologically dysfunctional, and yet he has his loyal fans and supporters. Sane people have no choice but to fight this craziness every step of the way. May God help us. :rollseyes:

You're poisoning the well again.

Your numbers don't add up. For decades 50% of the population has voted. If 33% of the people vote for Trump, Hillary would get 17% and Trump would win in a landslide.

That's not insanity, that's democracy...ok, maybe it is insane. Trump v Clinton is insane.

zelmo1234
06-07-2016, 01:03 PM
what have you done to earn it?

Hey? What the hell is a matter with you? Everyone gets a Trophy, He just needs to participate!

At least that is what I am told :)

zelmo1234
06-07-2016, 01:07 PM
There is zero doubt in my mind that we are headed toward a "civil war" relative to this election. A third of the country intends to vote for Donald Trump even if he "shot someone in Times Square". This is a level of insanity among the electorate we haven't seen before. Medical doctors have written learned articles explaining that Trump is psychologically dysfunctional, and yet he has his loyal fans and supporters. Sane people have no choice but to fight this craziness every step of the way. May God help us. :rollseyes:

So what does that say about the people that are going to vote for Hillary?

She is the one with Dead people that could have testified against her in the past????

She is the one that Lied about a Private server, which likely allow our enemies access to top secret information?

She is the one that lied about a Video and put a citizen in jail for exercising free speech?

What does that say about the people that are supporting Hillary?

I would suggest voting for a maybe it will be OK, and someone with a track record of some success, is far better than voting for the promise of more corruption and someone with a track record of failure

zelmo1234
06-07-2016, 01:09 PM
There is zero doubt in my mind that we are headed toward a "civil war" relative to this election. A third of the country intends to vote for Donald Trump even if he "shot someone in Times Square". This is a level of insanity among the electorate we haven't seen before. Medical doctors have written learned articles explaining that Trump is psychologically dysfunctional, and yet he has his loyal fans and supporters. Sane people have no choice but to fight this craziness every step of the way. May God help us. :rollseyes:

Now I addressed Crazy in the post above. As far as the Civil War, I suspect that it will not be the Right that will start the violence. As we have already seen the left is ready for a fight.

When they get it started, I would think that the people will come around and ask the right to restore sanity.

That is when things will get fun.

Chris
06-07-2016, 01:15 PM
The left and the right should battle it out and the libertarians will pick up the pieces. :D

OGIS
06-07-2016, 01:33 PM
There is zero doubt in my mind that we are headed toward a "civil war" relative to this election. A third of the country intends to vote for Donald Trump even if he "shot someone in Times Square". This is a level of insanity among the electorate we haven't seen before. Medical doctors have written learned articles explaining that Trump is psychologically dysfunctional, and yet he has his loyal fans and supporters. Sane people have no choice but to fight this craziness every step of the way. May God help us. :rollseyes:

Based on what I've read of American history, I'm pretty sure that we have had far worse Presidents than Donald Trump, and we have somehow survived. Compare and contrast Trump with such luminaries at LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Harding, Jackson, Grant, and Buchanan among several others. And remember Bush's comment about being dictator?

I don't necessarily agree with all of the picks on the below refs, but there is obviously room for debate:

http://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/slideshows/the-10-worst-presidents

http://www.thetoptens.com/worst-us-presidents/

OGIS
06-07-2016, 01:46 PM
Hey? What the hell is a matter with you? Everyone gets a Trophy, He just needs to participate!

At least that is what I am told :)

I think I have heard, in my entire life, exactly one instance of this "everyone gets a trophy" bu11sh1t that some liberal supposedly thought up, and that is now "crippling the nation" and turning little Johnny into a sociopath. This is one of those con(servative)-artist urban legends that get sent out in the "Fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:" emails that weird Uncle Charlie sends to your in box. Please show me a few examples of this in real life; I really don't think they exist.

Green Arrow
06-07-2016, 02:16 PM
Media crusade to deny him the presidency?

Well, Mark, at least you're being honest and open about your disgust for honest journalism. There is no media crusade to deny Trump the presidency because somewhere, a shred of dignity still exists in the deep recesses of the American journalistic world.

zelmo1234
06-07-2016, 02:19 PM
I think I have heard, in my entire life, exactly one instance of this "everyone gets a trophy" bu11sh1t that some liberal supposedly thought up, and that is now "crippling the nation" and turning little Johnny into a sociopath. This is one of those con(servative)-artist urban legends that get sent out in the "Fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:" emails that weird Uncle Charlie sends to your in box. Please show me a few examples of this in real life; I really don't think they exist.

Don't have kids for Grand kids in school do you? They use social promotions in the schools, and most youth sports leagues don't even keep score.

My favorite is when does the child find out that he or she is not going to graduate? Usually just days before Graduation. Then they just drop out.

The system is so screwed up that it will take an act of God to fix it.

I am trying to decide if I want to run for school board in the fall, the red head is advising against it.

hanger4
06-07-2016, 02:20 PM
I think I have heard, in my entire life, exactly one instance of this "everyone gets a trophy" bu11sh1t that some liberal supposedly thought up, and that is now "crippling the nation" and turning little Johnny into a sociopath. This is one of those con(servative)-artist urban legends that get sent out in the "Fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:" emails that weird Uncle Charlie sends to your in box. Please show me a few examples of this in real life; I really don't think they exist.

It's around;

http://www.chicagonow.com/the-athletes-sports-experience-making-a-difference/2012/02/the-growing-trend-of-%E2%80%9Call-are-winners%E2%80%9D-in-youth-sports-is-it-really-a-good-thing/

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/24/sports-leagues-everybody-wins-irks-psychologist/

Chris
06-07-2016, 02:31 PM
When my kid was a kid and I coached elementary level basketball which aimed to teach some fundamentals and have fun each kid got a trophy last game pizza celebration.

Little League, which I assistant coached, was more competitive, one year we took 1st, another 2nd, another 5th or well it didn't matter when we were that bad. I think we were too cheap to get the kids trophies.

In karate, which I just watched, he got a black belt like every other kid who stuck it out.

In skateboarding there were no trophies.

OGIS
06-07-2016, 02:42 PM
When my kid was a kid and I coached elementary level basketball which aimed to teach some fundamentals and have fun each kid got a trophy last game pizza celebration.

Little League, which I assistant coached, was more competitive, one year we took 1st, another 2nd, another 5th or well it didn't matter when we were that bad. I think we were too cheap to get the kids trophies.

In karate, which I just watched, he got a black belt like every other kid who stuck it out.

In skateboarding there were no trophies.

They don't in Krav Maga, either. I had to take the Teacher's word for it that my daughter was a lean mean killing machine.

AZ Jim
06-07-2016, 02:44 PM
Don't have kids for Grand kids in school do you? They use social promotions in the schools, and most youth sports leagues don't even keep score.

My favorite is when does the child find out that he or she is not going to graduate? Usually just days before Graduation. Then they just drop out.

The system is so screwed up that it will take an act of God to fix it.

I am trying to decide if I want to run for school board in the fall, the red head is advising against it.I have to agree the system described sends a bad message to young minds. I remember well that as a kid I had to accept that I was not number one and that there are winners and losers in all things. When today's and even yesterdays kids grow up they don't understand why they aren't also President of the bank in which they are mere tellers. Failure teaches too. The idea that if you play you are equal with those who finished in first place because you got a pat on the back and an award is growth thwarting.

del
06-07-2016, 02:59 PM
See now there's the difference between you and me, I'm a liberal, an atheist, and don't brag about my income every chance I get, but I'll still cross a highway to help your ultra conservative ass change a tire.

in my experience, people who brag about their income every chance they get have nothing to brag about.

Peter1469
06-07-2016, 04:37 PM
When my kid was a kid and I coached elementary level basketball which aimed to teach some fundamentals and have fun each kid got a trophy last game pizza celebration.

Little League, which I assistant coached, was more competitive, one year we took 1st, another 2nd, another 5th or well it didn't matter when we were that bad. I think we were too cheap to get the kids trophies.

In karate, which I just watched, he got a black belt like every other kid who stuck it out.

In skateboarding there were no trophies.

In my dojo the average black belt time was 13 years. One guy did it in 8 but he only worked part time. Our green belts won against other dojo black belts.

Chris
06-07-2016, 04:39 PM
In my dojo the average black belt time was 13 years. One guy did it in 8 but he only worked part time. Our green belts won against other dojo black belts.

Adults took much longer, but the kids advanced quickly to keep money flowing in.

Crepitus
06-07-2016, 04:44 PM
in my experience, people who brag about their income every chance they get have nothing to brag about.
True, and also the reason I was sure to mention it.

Truth Detector
06-07-2016, 04:46 PM
:biglaugh: GOOOOOO TrumpTard!!!!

OGIS
06-07-2016, 06:01 PM
:biglaugh: GOOOOOO TrumpTard!!!!

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