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Common
06-10-2016, 06:17 AM
Nato has never had oomph, we were the strength behind nato.

RUSSIA could steamroll NATO forces in just 60 hours, a leading US defence official has warned amid rising tensions with the west.


The alarming claim comes as Russia has deployed troops westward as part of its ongoing stand-off with NATO.
US Deputy assistant secretary of defence for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia Michael Carpenter
told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing that the West and NATO were currently not ideally prepared to deal with a Russian threat.
He said Russia had a massive geographical and time advantage but by 2017 the US would be in a better position to defend its allies.
The warning over increasing Russian aggression comes just four months after non-profit global policy think tank RAND raised “concerns about its larger intentions” and speculated Russian forces could reach those areas in 60 hours (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html).

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-vs-nato-putins-military-might-could-overrun-nato-forces-in-60-hours-defense-official-warns/news-story/abcacd7437387f2b8baf2d44820548f1

donttread
06-10-2016, 06:32 AM
Nato has never had oomph, we were the strength behind nato.

RUSSIA could steamroll NATO forces in just 60 hours, a leading US defence official has warned amid rising tensions with the west.


The alarming claim comes as Russia has deployed troops westward as part of its ongoing stand-off with NATO.
US Deputy assistant secretary of defence for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia Michael Carpenter
told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing that the West and NATO were currently not ideally prepared to deal with a Russian threat.
He said Russia had a massive geographical and time advantage but by 2017 the US would be in a better position to defend its allies.
The warning over increasing Russian aggression comes just four months after non-profit global policy think tank RAND raised “concerns about its larger intentions” and speculated Russian forces could reach those areas in 60 hours (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html).

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-vs-nato-putins-military-might-could-overrun-nato-forces-in-60-hours-defense-official-warns/news-story/abcacd7437387f2b8baf2d44820548f1

Oh My God, c'mon. Can't you see where this is going? Feed the global military industrial comlex.

Truth Detector
06-10-2016, 06:39 AM
Nato has never had oomph, we were the strength behind nato.

RUSSIA could steamroll NATO forces in just 60 hours, a leading US defence official has warned amid rising tensions with the west.

The alarming claim comes as Russia has deployed troops westward as part of its ongoing stand-off with NATO.
US Deputy assistant secretary of defence for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia Michael Carpenter
told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing that the West and NATO were currently not ideally prepared to deal with a Russian threat.
He said Russia had a massive geographical and time advantage but by 2017 the US would be in a better position to defend its allies.
The warning over increasing Russian aggression comes just four months after non-profit global policy think tank RAND raised “concerns about its larger intentions” and speculated Russian forces could reach those areas in 60 hours (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html).

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-vs-nato-putins-military-might-could-overrun-nato-forces-in-60-hours-defense-official-warns/news-story/abcacd7437387f2b8baf2d44820548f1

Let's try to remember that when France pulled out of NATO they armed themselves with nukes. Russia would not risk a nuclear war with a nuclear armed Britain, France and America.

WTF is all this paranoia about Russia; they are too busy keeping their own economy from imploding to think or plan a major invasion of NATO defended countries.

The Sage of Main Street
06-10-2016, 02:13 PM
Nato has never had oomph, we were the strength behind nato.

RUSSIA could steamroll NATO forces in just 60 hours, a leading US defence official has warned amid rising tensions with the west.


The alarming claim comes as Russia has deployed troops westward as part of its ongoing stand-off with NATO.
US Deputy assistant secretary of defence for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia Michael Carpenter
told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing that the West and NATO were currently not ideally prepared to deal with a Russian threat.
He said Russia had a massive geographical and time advantage but by 2017 the US would be in a better position to defend its allies.
The warning over increasing Russian aggression comes just four months after non-profit global policy think tank RAND raised “concerns about its larger intentions” and speculated Russian forces could reach those areas in 60 hours (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html).

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-vs-nato-putins-military-might-could-overrun-nato-forces-in-60-hours-defense-official-warns/news-story/abcacd7437387f2b8baf2d44820548f1 Why should we fight Western Europe's battles for them and why should they fight Eastern Europe's battles anyway and drag us even further into their aggressive meddling decadence?

Peter1469
06-10-2016, 02:57 PM
This study was about a Russian invasion of Estonia and Latvia.

It is not likely that Russia would do that. It is having a hard time supporting the Crimea and the Ukrainian rebels.

Dangermouse
06-10-2016, 04:06 PM
Meh.
This European remembers growing up during the cold war, with the four minute warning, the British government's notional time between Russian nukes being detected incoming, the alert being given, and their arrival. Even with the troop levels back then with massive UK and US bases all over Germany, we knew it was a matter of 36 hours before our troops were overrun and OUR nukes would be released. How we kids didn't die of neurosis, I'll never know.

donttread
06-10-2016, 04:49 PM
Let's try to remember that when France pulled out of NATO they armed themselves with nukes. Russia would not risk a nuclear war with a nuclear armed Britain, France and America.

WTF is all this paranoia about Russia; they are too busy keeping their own economy from imploding to think or plan a major invasion of NATO defended countries.

We can produce oil again. Eventually the productive well of the Islamic boggieman will go dry. Choices for the government to keep us too much in fear to get together and judge them on their collective failure all include a new boggieman.
If the people by into the "new "cold war hoax" they go with that. Notice we are going out of our way to piss off China too though and then there is N. Korea .
The only remaining question is : Which one will you sign your rights away to be protected from?

waltky
08-08-2018, 11:26 PM
Russia Warns of 'Horrible' Conflict if Georgia Joins NATO...
:shocked:
Russia Warns of 'Horrible' Conflict if Georgia Joins NATO (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/08/07/russia-warns-horrible-conflict-if-georgia-joins-nato.html)7 Aug 2018 — An attempt by NATO to incorporate Georgia could trigger a new, "horrible" conflict, Russia's prime minister said.


An attempt by NATO to incorporate the former Soviet republic of Georgia could trigger a new, "horrible" conflict, Russia's prime minister said Tuesday in a stern warning to the West marking 10 years since the Russia-Georgia war. Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with the Kommersant daily broadcast by Russian state television that NATO's plans to eventually offer membership to Georgia are "absolutely irresponsible" and a "threat to peace." Medvedev was Russia's president during the August 2008 war, which erupted when Georgian troops tried unsuccessfully to regain control over the Moscow-backed breakaway province of South Ossetia and Russia sent troops that routed the Georgian military in five days of fighting. The Russian army was poised to advance on the Georgian capital, but Medvedev rolled it back, accepting a truce mediated by the European Union.


After the war, Georgia entirely lost control of both South Ossetia and another separatist region, Abkhazia. Russia has strengthened its military presence in both regions and recognized them as independent states, but only a few countries have followed suit. The European Union on Tuesday reiterated its "firm support to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders" and lamented the Russian military presence in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In a show of support for Georgia, foreign ministers of Latvia, Lithuania and Poland, and a Cabinet member from Ukraine, visited Tbilisi Tuesday, urging Russia to withdraw its troops from Abkhazia and South Ossetia. "Nowadays no country can change the borders of another country by force," said Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputowicz.



https://images03.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2018-08/russiageorgiatank1800.png?itok=sfnqV7JV


In this file photo taken on Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008, Russian soldiers ride atop an armoured vehicle through a street in Tskhinvali, capital of Georgian breakaway enclave of South Ossetia, with a destroyed tank is seen in the foreground.




Russian-Georgian relations have improved since the war, but the issue of the breakaway regions remains, preventing the full normalization of ties. Medvedev warned that NATO's attempt to embrace Georgia could have catastrophic consequences. "There is an unresolved territorial conflict ... and would they bring such a country into the military alliance?" he said. "Do they understand the possible implications? It could provoke a horrible conflict." Medvedev pointed to Moscow's recognition of independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and the Russian military bases there, saying that any attempt to change the status quo could lead to "extremely grave consequences." ''I hope that NATO's leadership will be smart enough not to take any steps in that direction," he said.


The Russian prime minister described NATO's eastward expansion as a major security threat to Russia. "Whatever our colleagues from the alliance may say, NATO countries see Russia as a potential enemy," he said. "We can't help getting worried when the circle around our country keeps narrowing as more and more countries join NATO. NATO's expansion clearly poses a threat to the Russian Federation."


https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/08/07/russia-warns-horrible-conflict-if-georgia-joins-nato.html

Ransom
08-09-2018, 07:30 AM
Oh My God, c'mon. Can't you see where this is going? Feed the global military industrial comlex.
No. I don't see where this is going.

Donttread…...why not...rather than kneejerk into you typical nonsense....read the article offered here. Because it's from June 2016.

Secondly..... @Dangermouse (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=832) gives it a big "meh"...…..but then transports into vapors because the Russians rather than sending armor across Ukriane……"undermined the entire US electoral process."

Common.....your dated source here has our Members all confused. Dangermouse will dismiss this....yet believes Putin got Trump elected. And when you source older realities.....cause since them we've had Russians in Syria propping up Assad, firing missiles from ships, and building huge bases for their air operations......Yer just getting donttread all worked up for nothing(so f'n typical), you got Mouse contradicting herself.

Peter1469
08-09-2018, 07:34 AM
No shit, it would be like Mexico joining the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War. The same goes for Ukraine.
Russia Warns of 'Horrible' Conflict if Georgia Joins NATO...
:shocked:
Russia Warns of 'Horrible' Conflict if Georgia Joins NATO (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/08/07/russia-warns-horrible-conflict-if-georgia-joins-nato.html)7 Aug 2018 — An attempt by NATO to incorporate Georgia could trigger a new, "horrible" conflict, Russia's prime minister said.

donttread
08-09-2018, 07:49 AM
Nato has never had oomph, we were the strength behind nato.

RUSSIA could steamroll NATO forces in just 60 hours, a leading US defence official has warned amid rising tensions with the west.


The alarming claim comes as Russia has deployed troops westward as part of its ongoing stand-off with NATO.
US Deputy assistant secretary of defence for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia Michael Carpenter
told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing that the West and NATO were currently not ideally prepared to deal with a Russian threat.
He said Russia had a massive geographical and time advantage but by 2017 the US would be in a better position to defend its allies.
The warning over increasing Russian aggression comes just four months after non-profit global policy think tank RAND raised “concerns about its larger intentions” and speculated Russian forces could reach those areas in 60 hours (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html).

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-vs-nato-putins-military-might-could-overrun-nato-forces-in-60-hours-defense-official-warns/news-story/abcacd7437387f2b8baf2d44820548f1


NATO is a joke and a money drain

Peter1469
08-09-2018, 07:54 AM
NATO is a joke and a money drain


NATO needs to redefine its mission- the Cold War is long over. I imagine it has fat that could be trimmed, but money is going to be spent on the defense of Europe regardless of the organization / organizations that defend Europe.

Cannons Front
08-09-2018, 07:56 AM
In it's hey day I think the USSR had a 10-1 advantage in Armor and an even greater advantage in men, and 4 or 5-1 advantage in aircraft. Troops in Europe were a deterrent just like the troops on the DMZ. They still are today if Russia decided to launch an all out attack they would run wild to start, but they won't. The wouldn't then, they won't now.

Peter1469
08-09-2018, 08:04 AM
In it's hey day I think the USSR had a 10-1 advantage in Armor and an even greater advantage in men, and 4 or 5-1 advantage in aircraft. Troops in Europe were a deterrent just like the troops on the DMZ. They still are today if Russia decided to launch an all out attack they would run wild to start, but they won't. The wouldn't then, they won't now.
Not long after the end of the Cold War there was some sort of conference attended by military leaders from both sides. One of the Russian generals bragged to his American counterpart that the Soviet Army could have rolled over NATO forces and pushed deep into Europe. The American general said of course you could, but how would you get out?

Europe / NATO's economy was massively larger than that of the Warsaw Pact. NATO would win over time, assuming it didn't surrender (which it might because Soviet and Russian doctrine calls for the use of tactical nuclear weapons if war breaks out with NATO.)

donttread
08-09-2018, 08:24 AM
NATO needs to redefine its mission- the Cold War is long over. I imagine it has fat that could be trimmed, but money is going to be spent on the defense of Europe regardless of the organization / organizations that defend Europe.

And probably never efficiently

Peter1469
08-09-2018, 08:57 AM
Large organization, especially made up of many demcratic nations, can't be "efficient."
And probably never efficiently