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Peter1469
06-11-2016, 06:33 AM
Here is why Trump’s foreign policy terrifies Neocons (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-trumps-foreign-policy-really-scares-neocons/2016/06/09/86614ac6-2cac-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.html)

Neocon foreign policy has been an utter failure. The last 13 years has only diminished US power. Trump's foreign policy as articulated in his speech will change that and bring America back. That terrifies our Neocon friends.


Most of my former colleagues at the State Department will be appalled by the assertion, but much of the media-fed angst about Donald Trump’s dearth of foreign policy expertise is contrived.

Our cadre of neoconservative foreign policy experts, unhumbled after marching us into a reckless war in Iraq and a poorly conceived one in Afghanistan, who applauded as we bombed Libya and bitterly resent our having failed to bomb Bashar al-Assad in Syria, are frightened. Wisely, they often focus on comments that Trump has made on issues that are of less genuine interest to them — from his strident stance on immigration to his “threat” to our liberties to his sometimes deplorable commentary about women and some minorities. But what really troubles them is his generally level-headed and unmessianic attitude toward foreign affairs. Trump has no desire to make the rest of the world in our image; he is concerned only about the world not making America in its image.


The neocons bemoan Trump’s rejection of a global role for the United States, but Trump has no intent to withdraw the United States from the world stage. He only rejects the wanton use of our young men and women on foreign adventures of questionable value.


The neocons have two clear foreign policy objectives, and Trump may grant them neither. For many of them, their deepest yearning, ungranted even in the waning days of the George W. Bush presidency, is an air campaign against Iran. Trump doesn’t like the Iran nuclear agreement, but his instinct is to make a better deal rather than attacking, while Hillary Clinton has a strong record of supporting the prodigal misuse of military force. Clinton is just another neocon, though wrapped in sheep’s clothing — just as on some foreign policy issues Trump is little more than Bernie Sanders in wolf’s clothing.

PolWatch
06-11-2016, 06:41 AM
I can get in line with someone who wants to stop sending Americans to die for nothing while still being respected in the world. The problem that I see is anyone can make that statement. The voters have to decide if I could implement that hope. I haven't seen anything to make me think that Trump processes the ability to provide that. I don't think N. Korea or Iran would cower (or react well) to someone who thinks nasty Twitter messages are a good idea. Since I agree with the assessment that Clinton is a neocon wearing dove feathers, I still say this election is a tragedy with no choice a reasonable person would want.

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 06:47 AM
If Trump actually follows his more realist approach to foreign policy the US will be much better off than it has been under Neocon rule.

PolWatch
06-11-2016, 06:53 AM
If Trump actually follows his more realist approach to foreign policy the US will be much better off than it has been under Neocon rule.

True...and if a frog had wings.... Trump has showed me nothing to think he can follow one statement with action. He has not displayed a lot of consistency in his stated plans. He plays to the crowd and, as an exceptional salesman, says what they want to hear.

2 words to keep in mind: Jill Stein

:wink:

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 06:55 AM
I am not supporting Trump. I am supporting what he articulated in his foreign policy speech.

PolWatch
06-11-2016, 07:20 AM
I am not supporting Trump. I am supporting what he articulated in his foreign policy speech.

I've figured that one out prior to now! :wink:

The problem with elections & campaign speeches is trying to figure out what is likely to make it past election day. All of the candidates have something that appealed to me. This is one of the major reasons I hope for more choices in future elections....people who combine the issues that don't march with current party platforms or current party choices. Until that time I don't think I'll be voting either D or R.

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 07:34 AM
I've figured that one out prior to now! :wink:

The problem with elections & campaign speeches is trying to figure out what is likely to make it past election day. All of the candidates have something that appealed to me. This is one of the major reasons I hope for more choices in future elections....people who combine the issues that don't march with current party platforms or current party choices. Until that time I don't think I'll be voting either D or R.

Me too.

suds00
06-11-2016, 09:23 AM
i'm surprised to hear that he has a coherent foreign policy

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 09:25 AM
i'm surprised to hear that he has a coherent foreign policy

I imagine it was written for him.

The video is out there. Watch it.

Mac-7
06-11-2016, 09:36 AM
2 words to keep in mind: Jill Stein

:wink:

whats so wunnerful about her?

Mac-7
06-11-2016, 09:53 AM
whats so wunnerful about her?

Ok I see the attraction for libs.

Jill Stien is a leftwing lollipop.

just a younger version of the crazy socialist who gave Hillary fits in the demo primary.

http://www.jill2016.com/plan

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 10:13 AM
She is a niche candidate.

Mac-7
06-11-2016, 11:01 AM
She is a niche candidate.

Shes a leftwing loon

Tahuyaman
06-11-2016, 11:06 AM
Here is why Trump’s foreign policy terrifies Neocons (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-trumps-foreign-policy-really-scares-neocons/2016/06/09/86614ac6-2cac-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.html)

Neocon foreign policy has been an utter failure. The last 13 years has only diminished US power. Trump's foreign policy as articulated in his speech will change that and bring America back. That terrifies our Neocon friends.

I listened to a Trump speech on foreign policy a while back and was fairly impressed with him at that time. He managed to avoid his usual repetitive hyperbole and blustering buffoonery.

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 11:15 AM
I listened to a Trump speech on foreign policy a while back and was fairly impressed with him at that time. He managed to avoid his usual repetitive hyperbole and blustering buffoonery.

If Trump can do that in other areas I will vote for him.

He was pretty much on the mark with the foreign policy stuff. Which set the Neocons on a rampage and confused the "media."

Tahuyaman
06-11-2016, 11:19 AM
I don't believe Trump can avoid letting the buffoon side of him take over his speeches. Kind of like a couple of people here.

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 11:25 AM
I don't believe Trump can avoid letting the buffoon side of him take over his speeches. Kind of like a couple of people here.

Hopefully he won't use a private server and get intelligence assets compromised.

Tahuyaman
06-11-2016, 11:29 AM
Hopefully he won't use a private server and get intelligence assets compromised.

Well..... Lol.

The Sage of Main Street
06-11-2016, 02:21 PM
She's a leftwing loon She's a Greenhead jobkiller and Jewish American Princess snob who despises the plebeian Jews in Israel.

Peter1469
06-11-2016, 03:16 PM
She's a Greenhead jobkiller and Jewish American Princess snob who despises the plebeian Jews in Israel.

They have good points.