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exotix

06-13-2016, 03:12 PM

Cletus

06-13-2016, 03:20 PM

The guy was legally eligible and approved by the FBI to purchase a gun.

Why should he feel a sense of guilt?

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 03:22 PM

He did nothing wrong, so he has no reason to feel guilty.

Cigar

06-13-2016, 03:32 PM

The guy was legally eligible and approved by the FBI to purchase a gun.

Why should he feel a sense of guilt?

Why are using the phrase approved by the FBI to purchase ... ?

Does The FBI make Approvals now? :huh:

Cletus

06-13-2016, 03:35 PM

Why are using the phrase approved by the FBI to purchase ... ?

Does The FBI make Approvals now? :huh:

Yes. They have been the approving authority since 1998.

Cigar

06-13-2016, 03:38 PM

Yes. They have been the approving authority since 1998.

They do Background checks, not approvals

HoneyBadger

06-13-2016, 03:42 PM

*Breaking*

Ex-New York cop has no remorse ... not a care in the World ... sold AR-15 and Sig Sauer 9mm to Omar Mateen apparently even after knowing Omar made jihadist comments at work that led to his being investigated by FBI ...

You're claiming Ed Henson personally sold him the firearms and knew Marteen had made jihadist comments? Or are you just making this shit up as you go?

Marteen legally bought two firearms and went through the mandatory three day waiting period. The FBI cleared the purchase, as required by law.

Did you have the same hissy fit when Tsarnaev bought pressure cookers from Macy's and the backpacks to carry them at Target? No, of course not. You don't give a damn about 50 dead people, you couldn't wait to climb on their corpses to shriek about guns. :rollseyes:

HoneyBadger

06-13-2016, 03:43 PM

They do Background checks, not approvals

No, they do approvals. When you submit a name for a NICs check, you get three possible responses. Proceed, delay or deny. Marteen received a proceed with transfer response.

Cletus

06-13-2016, 03:44 PM

They do Background checks, not approvals

No. They do the BI and then give one of three responses to the dealer.

Proceed - which is approval for the sale to go through.
Deny - which means the dealer may not sell the gun to the prospective buyer
Delay - which means the dealer may not complete the sale at this time because the FBI wants to look closer at the prospective buyer before deciding whether the sale should be permitted.

The FBI is the approving authority. No dealer may sell a gun to anyone without their permission.

Who did you think it was?

exotix

06-13-2016, 03:44 PM

You're claiming Ed Henson personally sold him the firearms and knew Marteen had made jihadist comments? Or are you just making this $#@! up as you go?

Marteen legally bought two firearms and went through the mandatory three day waiting period. The FBI cleared the purchase, as required by law.

Did you have the same hissy fit when Tsarnaev bought pressure cookers from Macy's and the backpacks to carry them at Target? No, of course not. You don't give a damn about 50 dead people, you couldn't wait to climb on their corpses to shriek about guns. :rollseyes:This Zimmy-like thug Gun Store owner looks and acts exactly as I imagined.

HoneyBadger

06-13-2016, 03:46 PM

This Zimmy-like thug Gun Store owner looks and acts exactly as I imagined.

Like a law abiding citizen? Is that your problem with him... or that he's a white guy?

Cigar

06-13-2016, 03:46 PM

No, they do approvals. When you submit a name for a NICs check, you get three possible responses. Proceed, delay or deny. Marteen received a proceed with transfer response.

So for me, doesn't the Illinois State Police do the backdown check and the Fed are only looking for National Data on you?

The permit is only at the State Level ... correct?

Remember, there was no cross state checking until Homeland Security

FindersKeepers

06-13-2016, 03:53 PM

This Zimmy-like thug Gun Store owner looks and acts exactly as I imagined.

This shooting's got you all sorts of wound up. Nothing you've said all day has made a lick of sense. You know this bodes badly for Obama's policies, so you're running around like a chicken with your head lopped off. Now, you have nothing left but to go after gun store owner's looks.

How old are you, anyway?

Cletus

06-13-2016, 03:54 PM

So for me, doesn't the Illinois State Police do the backdown check and the Fed are only looking for National Data on you?

The permit is only at the State Level ... correct?

The laws in Illinois may require the Illinois State Police to do a check, but they cannot approve the sale. That has to be done by the FBI. All firearms dealers must be federally licensed and the approving authority for any gun sold through a dealer is the FBI.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 04:00 PM

This shooting's got you all sorts of wound up. Nothing you've said all day has made a lick of sense. You know this bodes badly for Obama's policies, so you're running around like a chicken with your head lopped off. Now, you have nothing left but to go after gun store owner's looks.

How old are you, anyway?

Exotix spends his time waiting around for a gun-related massacre so he can scream about LaPierre and Zimmerman.

As soon as Exotix heard about this latest massacre, he jumped for joy and rushed to the computer so he could post *updates* from MSNBC, a channel he watches religiously.

He realizes there is a small window of emotional capture where people are more susceptible to gun control, so time is of the essence.

That is why his posts will get more demented and shrill as time goes on.

And like all the other mass shootings, his gun control agenda will crash and burn and he'll have to go back to waiting for another massacre.

What a sad life.

exotix

06-13-2016, 04:04 PM

Like a law abiding citizen? Is that your problem with him... or that he's a white guy?
This shooting's got you all sorts of wound up. Nothing you've said all day has made a lick of sense. You know this bodes badly for Obama's policies, so you're running around like a chicken with your head lopped off. Now, you have nothing left but to go after gun store owner's looks.

How old are you, anyway?
Exotix spends his time waiting around for a gun-related massacre so he can scream about LaPierre and Zimmerman.

As soon as Exotix heard about this latest massacre, he jumped for joy and rushed to the computer so he could post *updates* from MSNBC, a channel he watches religiously.

He realizes there is a small window of emotional capture where people are more susceptible to gun control, so time is of the essence.

That is why his posts will get more demented and shrill as time goes on.

And like all the other mass shootings, his gun control agenda will crash and burn and he'll have to go back to waiting for another massacre.

What a sad life.
Careful now ... people might start thinking you're rah rah'ng the worst mass-murder in U.S. History because a Gun Store owner assumed his rights to sell battlefield weapons to a gay muslim disguised as a jihadist.

HoneyBadger

06-13-2016, 04:12 PM

Careful now ... people might start thinking you're rah rah'ng the worst mass-murder in U.S. History because a Gun Store owner assumed his rights to sell battlefield weapons to a gay muslim disguised as a jihadist.

I really don't care what a corpse climbing progressive thinks about.... anything.

Go away, ghoul.

MMC

06-13-2016, 04:16 PM

Exotix spends his time waiting around for a gun-related massacre so he can scream about LaPierre and Zimmerman.

As soon as Exotix heard about this latest massacre, he jumped for joy and rushed to the computer so he could post *updates* from MSNBC, a channel he watches religiously.

He realizes there is a small window of emotional capture where people are more susceptible to gun control, so time is of the essence.

That is why his posts will get more demented and shrill as time goes on.

And like all the other mass shootings, his gun control agenda will crash and burn and he'll have to go back to waiting for another massacre.

What a sad life.

Its an Epic Meltdown over 5 -8 threads. Got any Butter? http://www.usmessageboard.com/styles/smilies/party.gif

Mac-7

06-13-2016, 04:17 PM

If Christians can go to jail for not baking a wedding cake for two homosexuals getting married how can a gun store owwner deny service to another liberal pet minority like the muslim guy?

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 04:18 PM

Careful now ... people might start thinking you're rah rah'ng the worst mass-murder in U.S. History because a Gun Store owner assumed his rights to sell battlefield weapons to a gay muslim disguised as a jihadist.

People can think whatever they want.

But your gun control agenda is going to fail like it always does.

And then you'll have to go back to waiting around for the next mass shooting.

exotix

06-13-2016, 04:20 PM

I really don't care what a corpse climbing progressive thinks about.... anything.

Go away, ghoul.I see I hit a nerve exposing you as a cheerleader for the worst mass-murder in U.S. History ... good.

exotix

06-13-2016, 04:22 PM

People can think whatever they want.

But your gun control agenda is going to fail like it always does.

And then you'll have to go back to waiting around for the next mass shooting.I can see you're as helpless as Aly ... jihadists are out there massacring Americans while you sulk at home with your AR-15 that's as worthless as tits on a boar.

... sad.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 04:24 PM

I can see you're as helpless as Aly ... jihadists are out there massacring Americans while you sulk at home with your AR-15 that's as worthless as tits on a boar.

... sad.

Why would I sulk when my side keeps winning the gun control debate?

Private Pickle

06-13-2016, 04:26 PM

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 04:27 PM

No reason why he should feel guilty.

Just start watching MSNBC twenty hours a day like Exotix does and you will start to feel differently.

Mac-7

06-13-2016, 04:27 PM

I can see you're as helpless as Aly ... jihadists are out there massacring Americans while you sulk at home with your AR-15 that's as worthless as tits on a boar.

... sad.

This AR was owned legally.

so all the gun control laws that libs passed already failed miserably with this guy.

HoneyBadger

06-13-2016, 04:27 PM

I see I hit a nerve exposing you as a cheerleader for the worst mass-murder in U.S. History ... good.

Logic isn't your forte, is it?

Is support for the constitution and the rights of citizens now seen as cheering mass murderers in the fetid, dank, minds of the American left?

Private Pickle

06-13-2016, 04:28 PM

Just start watching MSNBC twenty hours a day like Exotix does and you will start to feel differently.

My bad.

donttread

06-13-2016, 06:05 PM

The guy was legally eligible and approved by the FBI to purchase a gun.

Why should he feel a sense of guilt?

He shouldn't. I mean given human nature he's going to feel something . What do the control freaks want now? For store owners to discriminate sales to legally qualified purchasers ? That wouldn't be very PC now would it?

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 06:08 PM

This Zimmy-like thug Gun Store owner looks and acts exactly as I imagined.
Have you ever considered that you have a sickness?

waltky

06-13-2016, 06:16 PM

FBI really dropped the ball on this one...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_omg.gif
FBI Investigated Orlando Terrorist for 10 Months After He Said in 2013 He Hoped to Martyr Himself
June 13, 2016 | FBI Director James Comey said at a press conference Monday that his agency conducted a 10-month investigation in May 2013 of the Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, during which time he blamed his statements of aspirational martyrdom on coworkers he felt were teasing him.

“We first became aware of him in May of 2013. He was working as a contract security guard at a local courthouse, and he made some statements that were inflammatory and contradictory that concerned his co-workers about terrorism,” Comey said. “First he claimed family connections to al Qaeda. He also said he was a member of Hizbollah, which is a Shia terrorist organization that is a bitter enemy of the so-called Islamic State – ISIL. He said he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so that he could martyr himself,” Comey added.

“When this was reported to us, the FBI’s Miami office opened a preliminary investigation, and over the next 10 months, we attempted to determine whether he was possibly a terrorist – something we do in hundreds and hundreds of cases all across the country,” Comey said. “Our investigation involved introducing confidential sources to him, recording conversations with him, following him, reviewing transactional records from his communications and searching all government holdings for any possible connections, any possible derogatory information. We then interviewed him twice,” Comey added.

Comey said during the FBI’s interview, Mateen admitted to making the statements his coworkers reported, but said “he did it in anger, because he thought his coworkers were discriminating against him and teasing him because he was Muslim.” “After 10 months of investigation, we closed the preliminary investigation,” Comey said. “Two months later, in July of 2014, the killer’s name surfaced again in an indirect way.”

The FBI’s Miami office was investigating a Florida man – a suicide bomber who had “blown himself up for the Nusra Front in Syria – again the Nusra Front being an al Qaeda group in conflict with ISIL,” Comey said. “We learned from the investigation that the killer knew him casually from attending the same mosque in that area of Florida, but our investigation turned up no ties of any consequence between the two of them,” Comey added. “In the course of that investigation, one witness told us when asked do you know anybody else who might be radicalizing, that he had once been concerned about the killer, because the killer had mentioned Awlaki videos, but the witness had concluded that he later got married and had a child and got a job as a security guard, and so he was no longer concerned about him,” Comey said. “Our investigation again turned and interviewed the killer to find out whether he had any significant contacts with the suicide bomber for Al Nusra, determined that he did not, and the inquiry continued, focusing on the suicide bomber, with no further focus on the Orlando killer,” the FBI director said.

MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/fbi-director-fbi-investigated-orlando-shooter-10-months-after-shooter)

See also:

More Than 570 Charged, Convicted or Connected to Terror Since 9/11; Almost All Muslims
June 13, 2016 – Sen. Jeff Sessions warned Sunday that more attacks like the one on an Orlando nightclub were likely, and disclosed that more than 570 people have been “convicted or charged or connected to terrorism” since 9/11.

The Alabama Republican, who chairs the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on immigration and the national interest, told Fox News Sunday that data it had obtained so far indicated that “about two-thirds of those people that were charged were foreign born, almost all Islamic individuals.” “We see apparently today more of these attacks are coming,” Sessions said in reference to the killing early Sunday of 50 people at the Pulse nightclub. In a 911 call shortly beforehand the Muslim shooter pledged his allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS/ISIL). Omar Mateen was reported to be a New York-born U.S. citizen, the son of Afghan parents. “It’s a real part of the threat that we face,” Sessions continued, “and if we can’t address it openly and directly and say directly that there is an extremist element within Islam that’s dangerous to the world and has to be confronted. We need to slow down and be careful about those we admit into the country.”

Sessions, a key supporter of and advisor to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, stressed that most Muslim citizens and visitors to the United States were “not violent.” “But there clearly is a problem here.” ISIS recently called on supporters to carry out terrorist attacks in Western countries during Ramadan. The Islamic fast month, which this year began on June 7, has a history of inspiring jihadists. Sessions and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) – who chairs another Judiciary subcommittee – have been seeking immigration status and family immigration status data from the federal government as they compile information on individuals charged or convicted of terror-related offenses.

In a letter last August, Sessions and Cruz asked Attorney-General Loretta Lynch, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and Secretary of State John Kerry to provide such information for 72 people identified as having connections to terrorism over a one-year period. They wrote again in December, after the Sen Bernardino attack – perpetrated by the ISIS-inspired U.S.-born son of Pakistani migrants and his Pakistani-born wife – and then again last January, this time adding a request for information relating to an additional 41 individuals, bringing the total to 113.

MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/sessions-more-570-charged-convicted-or-connected-terror-911-almost)

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Ex-CIA Director Hayden Names 3 'Folks on the Radar' Who Went On to Kill
June 13, 2016 | "We've got three examples now of folks on the radar -- Major Nidal Hasan, Tamerlan Tsarnaev and now Omar Mateen, who were on our radar, who were looked at, are then dismissed," Former CIA Director Michael Hayden told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Monday.

Hasan killed 13 people and injured more than 30 others at Fort Hood on November 5, 2009; Tsarnaev, along with his brother, killed 3 and injured 264 others at the Boston Marathon on April 15, 2013; and Mateen, the New-York-born son of Afghan immigrants, opened fire at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., early Sunday morning, where 49 people died. Police then killed Mateen as he exited the club. Mateen was investigated by the FBI in 2013 and 2014 following tips from people who knew him, but apparently he was not considered a credible threat.

Hayden on Monday said he intends no criticism of the FBI: "It's quite possible that when they looked into these individuals, they weren't in the place where they finally ended up in," Hayden said. "We're getting pretty close to the limits as to what the state can do without changing our nature as a society," he added. Hayden said Facebook and Twitter are getting better at taking down sites that urge jihad. "Where do you draw the line between independent thought and something the state has a right to forbid?" he asked.

Washington Post reporter David Ignatius asked Hayden if remarks by public officials about excluding Muslims, keeping them out of the U.S., and "other talk that makes Muslims feel that they are separate and unequal could makes this problem of home-grown terrorism even worse?" "David, of course it does," Hayden replied, criticizing Donald Trump by name. "To the degree we drive these individuals into further isolation, to that degree we increase the threat."

New York Times columnist Frank Bruni, joining the "Morning Joe" conversation, argued Hayden's point that we're getting close to the limits on what the state can do. "Why would we allow anyone to purchase an assault rifle?" Bruni asked. "We are not at the limits of what we can do, because we have not done all we can do to keep those dangerous weapons out of people's hands."

MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/ex-cia-director-hayden-notes-3-examples-folks-radar-who-go-kill)

exotix

06-13-2016, 06:18 PM

Have you ever considered that you have a sickness?I'm sick because you need an AR-15 with a hundred round drum ... that does nothing but sit in your gun-rack because you actually believe you're gonna shoot-down a U.S. Gunship or Warthog when taking the country back ?

If you haven't noticed ... only mass-murderers make use of 'em against men, women, children and kindergartners.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 06:22 PM

I'm sick because you need an AR-15 with a hundred round drum ... that does nothing but sit in your gun-rack because you actually believe you're gonna shoot-down a U.S. Gunship or Warthog when taking the country back ?

If you haven't noticed ... only mass-murderers make use of 'em against men, women, children and kindergartners.
You definitely have a sickness. I do not believe you can recover from it.

Why would I try to shoot down an attack helicopter or close air support aircraft with a semi-automatic rifle? A far better, asymmetrical option would be to follow and kill the individual pilots and mechanics.

The revolution will come. I suppose you will be glued to MSNBC watching it.

exotix

06-13-2016, 06:24 PM

You definitely have a sickness. I do not believe you can recover from it.

Why would I try to shoot down an attack helicopter or close air support aircraft with a semi-automatic rifle? A far better, asymmetrical option would be to follow and kill the individual pilots and mechanics.

The revolution will come. I suppose you will be glued to MSNBC watching it.Yes a civilian with an AR-15 going-up against the U.S. Army ... stop making a fool of yourself.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 06:36 PM

Yes a civilian with an AR-15 going-up against the U.S. Army ... stop making a fool of yourself.
Do you always find yourself befuddled? Why do you believe the fight would be one versus the Army? That is not the way I would do it. Nor was it the way successful revolutions were started.

Attacking members of the Army would be very late in the rebellion. The first phase is organization. That is the phase we are in today. A successful organization phase often takes many months to years.

Next comes very low-intensity operations. Assassinations and robberies. Typical targets are judges, mayors, and high-level accessible government officials. There may be opportunity targets during this phase. So if a high ranking officer just happens to be in the right spot at the wrong time he or she might be murdered. This phase can also last a few years. If the rebellion is well funded this portion will be used to train and harden the rebels.

A shadow government will overlap this phase at some point. Terrorism will begin to be used as a weapon against pro-government civilians and businesses. This is when stooges, people like you are killed.

Shall I go on? Very small 1-3 person operations are expanded into squad and platoon operations. And still attacking the Army directly is a long ways away.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 06:37 PM

Yes a civilian with an AR-15 going-up against the U.S. Army ... stop making a fool of yourself.

You know nothing about the US Army or the US military in general.

Just like you know nothing about American history.

The only thing you know about is how to embarrass yourself.

You're an expert at that.

exotix

06-13-2016, 06:38 PM

You know nothing about the US Army or the US military in general.

Just like you know nothing about American history.

The only thing you know about is how to embarrass yourself.

You're an expert at that.*Yawn* ... LOL

FindersKeepers

06-13-2016, 06:53 PM

Exotix spends his time waiting around for a gun-related massacre so he can scream about LaPierre and Zimmerman.

.

It's really hard to believe Exotix is a male. The behavior is much closer to that of a middle school-age female. And he/she screams constantly about "LaPierre" anyway -- for virtually no cognizant reason.

Right now he/she is melting down because Trump bested both Obama and Hillary in the terrorism-prediction issue.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 06:54 PM

*Yawn* ... LOL

Feel free to tell us of your extensive military experience then.

First you can explain how a bunch of ragtag insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan have been able to withstand the combined forces of the American and British armed forces with nothing more than small arms and improvised bombs.

Then you can explain how the gun-grabbing politicians you support will convince the US military to go along with your unconstitutional fantasies.

I'm all ears.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 06:55 PM

It's really hard to believe Exotix is a male. The behavior is much closer to that of a middle school-age female. And he/she screams constantly about "LaPierre" anyway -- for virtually no cognizant reason.

Right now he/she is melting down because Trump bested both Obama and Hillary in the terrorism-prediction issue.

Maybe it is a tranny?

FindersKeepers

06-13-2016, 06:56 PM

Maybe it is a tranny?

Hmmmm...maybe we were supposed to guess that from that avatar all the time.

exotix

06-13-2016, 06:57 PM

Feel free to tell us of your extensive military experience then.

First you can explain how a bunch of ragtag insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan have been able to withstand the combined forces of the American and British armed forces with nothing more than small arms and improvised bombs.

Then you can explain how the gun-grabbing politicians you support will convince the US military to go along with your unconstitutional fantasies.

I'm all ears.Easy ... your ilk ... (yeah you run around the forum in hysterics when somebody calls you an (R) faking oblivious that you are and we're all stupid) has turned America into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:04 PM

Easy ... your ilk ... (yeah you run around the forum in hysterics when somebody calls you an (R) faking oblivious that you are and we're all stupid) has turned America into Iraq and Afghanistan.

You're definitely stupid.

There is no doubt about that.

And your answer, as I expected, makes no sense.

Let me know when you get around to a real explanation of how the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan were able to withstand the American and British armed forces for over a decade with small arms and improvised bombs.

And then tell me how you will persuade all the gun-nuts in the military to help you destroy America.

I'm waiting.

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:06 PM

You're definitely stupid.

There is no doubt about that.

And your answer, as I expected, makes no sense.

Let me know when you get around to a real explanation of how the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan were able to withstand the American and British armed forces for over a decade with small arms and improvised bombs.

And then tell me how you will persuade all the gun-nuts in the military to help you destroy America.

I'm waiting.eeeee errrrr uhhhhh ... geography ?

Peter1469

06-13-2016, 07:13 PM

Peter1469

06-13-2016, 07:17 PM

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:17 PM

Weak people fall apart when they realize that they may have to defend themselves: the State will not be there for you all the time..... says the dude who's about to become a civilian and join the rest of us sheeple ...

... hey, do you get to keep your M4/AR-15/sidearms or do you need to truck on down to Hillbilly Bobs shoot 'em all up NRA Arms Dealer Store to get your weapons because the govt. and mass-murderers with the same weapons are come'n to get you ?

Peter1469

06-13-2016, 07:19 PM

Yes a civilian with an AR-15 going-up against the U.S. Army ... stop making a fool of yourself.

Camel jockeys in Iraq and Afghan did a good job. You are never going to survive when the government stops providing for you.

del

06-13-2016, 07:22 PM

fear the jag

lol

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:22 PM

Camel jockeys in Iraq and Afghan did a good job. You are never going to survive when the government stops providing for you.Depends ... you see, where I live they haven't fixed the roads since 1950 ... so I imagine they're worse than Afghanistan and Iraq since we paid for their reconstruction and screw us U.S. civilians/sheeple.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:23 PM

yeah you run around the forum in hysterics when somebody calls you an (R) faking oblivious that you are and we're all stupid

By the way, who is "we"?

You and the other Hillary Clinton boot-lickers?

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:24 PM

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:28 PM

Depends ... you see, where I live they haven't fixed the roads since 1950 ... so I imagine they're worse than Afghanistan and Iraq since we paid for their reconstruction and screw us U.S. civilians/sheeple.

It doesn't depend.

Asymmetric warfare negates numerical and technological advantages.

It's been proven dozens of times throughout history, including recently in Iraq and Afghanistan.

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:30 PM

eeeee errrrr uhhhhh ... geography ?
What a stupid answer.

Why do you keep pretending to be knowledgeable about military strategy and tactics when you clearly know nothing?

Does it make you feel cool or something?I know that Bush actually tried to kill or dislodge Bin Laden from Bora Tora by dropping Daisy Cutters on top of mountains (geography) ... before he escaped to Pakistan via mountain caverns (geography) ... to watch Bush spend trillions and get thousands of U.S. servicemen killed (snipers and IEDS who used their geography) ....

Really ? Waging war on savages on their own turf ?

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 07:30 PM

easy ... Your ilk ... (yeah you run around the forum in hysterics when somebody calls you an (r) faking oblivious that you are and we're all stupid) has turned america into iraq and afghanistan.
lol.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:33 PM

I know that Bush actually tried to kill or dislodge Bin Laden from Bora Tora by dropping Daisy Cutters on top of mountains (geography) ... before he escaped to Pakistan via mountain caverns (geography) ... to watch Bush spend trillions and get thousands of U.S. servicemen killed (snipers and IEDS who used their geography) ....

Really ? Waging war on savages on their own turf ?

Yea, we have mountains in America, too.

So there goes that brilliant theory.

You got any other explanations, MacArthur?

Crepitus

06-13-2016, 07:34 PM

If you guys are done slapping each other around for a minute I have a question pertaining to the op.

Did the gun store owner sell the guns personally?

Did he actually have knowledge that the killer had been investigated by the FBI for possible terrorist connections or anything of the sort?

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:34 PM

Yea, we have mountains in America, too.

So there goes that brilliant theory.

You got any other explanations, MacArthur?You're one lost dude aren't you ... if in fact you're a vet, I'll understand.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:35 PM

I know that Bush actually tried to kill or dislodge Bin Laden from Bora Tora by dropping Daisy Cutters on top of mountains (geography) ... before he escaped to Pakistan via mountain caverns (geography) ... to watch Bush spend trillions and get thousands of U.S. servicemen killed (snipers and IEDS who used their geography) ....

Really ? Waging war on savages on their own turf ?

And what mountains were the insurgents using in Iraq?

Dang, your geography theory just keeps getting weaker and weaker.

And you actually thought you were saying something smart with that geography remark.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 07:40 PM

And what mountains were the insurgents using in Iraq?

Dang, your geography theory just keeps getting weaker and weaker.

And you actually thought you were saying something smart with that geography remark.
Why the ones between the rivers, of course.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 07:41 PM

You're one lost dude aren't you ... if in fact you're a vet, I'll understand.
I am retired military, exo.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:42 PM

You're one lost dude aren't you ... if in fact you're a vet, I'll understand.

You think the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan succeeded because of mountains.

That is one of the dumbest theories I've ever heard.

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:44 PM

I am retired military, exo.I don't bash vets ... never ... so if I do its because I didn't know it.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:45 PM

Why the ones between the rivers, of course.

I was in Ramadi and Karma, both of which were in the Sunni Triangle which was the heart of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq.

There were no mountains around.

Yet somehow the insurgents there managed to withstand years of occupation and bombing.

Apparently, they never got the memo from Exotix that the only way to wage a successful guerrilla war is to have mountains around.

Mister D

06-13-2016, 07:45 PM

You think the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan succeeded because of mountains.

That is one of the dumbest theories I've ever heard.

Now I understand why an insurgency in the US could never succeed. No mountains. lol

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:46 PM

I don't bash vets ... never ... so if I do its because I didn't know it.

You bash me all the time.

But I'm not complaining.

If you agreed with what I was saying, then I would have to reexamine my statements.

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:47 PM

Now I understand why an insurgency in the US could never succeed. No mountains. lolHow'bout a fake-jihadist with an AR-15 in a nightclub of 320 people ?

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:47 PM

Now I understand why an insurgency in the US could never succeed. No mountains. lol

Yea, it's just too bad America doesn't have any mountains.

Otherwise, would-be tyrants like Exotix might have something to worry about.

Mister D

06-13-2016, 07:48 PM

You bash me all the time.

But I'm not complaining.

If you agreed with what I was saying, then I would have to reexamine my statements.

Yeah, it's like Cigar giving you a thumbs up. Kiss of death.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:49 PM

How'bout a fake-jihadist with an AR-15 in a nightclub of 320 people ?

That's right, Exo.

Just dodge the point and try to change the subject.

We wouldn't want to further examine your laughable "mountains = successful insurgency" theory or anything.

That might hurt your precious ego.

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:50 PM

You bash me all the time.

But I'm not complaining.

If you agreed with what I was saying, then I would have to reexamine my statements.
That's right, Exo.

Just dodge the point and try to change the subject.

We wouldn't want to further examine your laughable "mountains = successful insurgency" theory or anything.

That might hurt your precious ego.
Look, dude, if you're fucked-up from serving in a war that cowards and draft-dodgers perpetuated I'm behind you all the way.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:51 PM

You should submit a white paper to the Pentagon or something Exotix.

I'm sure they will be interested to know that mountains are the reason they failed to win the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Don't delay.

The country needs you.

Mister D

06-13-2016, 07:52 PM

That's right, Exo.

Just dodge the point and try to change the subject.

We wouldn't want to further examine your laughable "mountains = successful insurgency" theory or anything.

That might hurt your precious ego.

Look at this way: it's a first step in acknowledging that rag tag insurgents with "popguns" can and do resist sophisticated military machines.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:53 PM

Look, dude, if you're $#@!ed-up from serving in a war that cowards and draft-dodgers perpetuated I'm behind you all the way.

What's that got to do with your brilliant theory about mountains?

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:54 PM

What's that got to do with your brilliant theory about mountains?I see ... well, it looks like the VA hasn't done you any good.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:54 PM

Look at this way: it's a first step in acknowledging that rag tag insurgents with "popguns" can and do resist sophisticated military machines.

Yea, but they can only do it if they have mountains.

And America has none of those.

But Iraq has lots of them.

I'm pretty sure General Petraeus wrote his thesis on mountains and insurgencies.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 07:54 PM

I was in Ramadi and Karma, both of which were in the Sunni Triangle which was the heart of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq.

There were no mountains around.

Yet somehow the insurgents there managed to withstand years of occupation and bombing.

Apparently, they never got the memo from Exotix that the only way to wage a successful guerrilla war is to have mountains around.
Right. The mountains between the rivers Tigris and Euphrates. :-)

Or down by Basra in the marshes. Those mountains...

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 07:55 PM

I see ... well, it looks like the VA hasn't done you any good.

Not going to answer the question about your mountain theory?

Which mountain ranges were the insurgents in the Sunni Triangle using?

Wow me with your extensive military expertise.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 07:58 PM

Look, dude, if you're $#@!ed-up from serving in a war that cowards and draft-dodgers perpetuated I'm behind you all the way.
If you carefully consider it, you will discover that you are missing the point.

Back to your view of the opening stage of a revolution...no one is going to intentionally take on a close air support aircraft with a rifle. Well, under the right circumstances I might consider it with a .50 caliber.

Mister D

06-13-2016, 07:58 PM

Yea, but they can only do it if they have mountains.

And America has none of those.

But Iraq has lots of them.

I'm pretty sure General Petraeus wrote his thesis on mountains and insurgencies.

They're trying. :)

exotix

06-13-2016, 07:59 PM

Not going to answer the question about your mountain theory?

Which mountain ranges were the insurgents in the Sunni Triangle using?

Wow me with your extensive military expertise.You mean the Triangle of Death ?

Yeah, irrigation ditches became prime locations for powerful IEDS and suicide bombers disguised as farmers ... why ? Didn't Bush, Cheney, Powell, Condi and Wolfowitz contemplate that ?

Mister D

06-13-2016, 08:00 PM

You mean the Triangle of Death ?

Yeah, irrigation ditches became prime locations for powerful IEDS ... why ? Didn't Bush, Cheney, Powell, Condi and Wolfowitz contemplate that ?

They were focused on the mountains, I guess.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 08:01 PM

you mean the triangle of death ?

Yeah, irrigation ditches became prime locations for powerful ieds and suicide bombers disguised as farmers ... Why ? Didn't bush, cheney, powell, condi and wolfowitz contemplate that ?
lol.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 08:02 PM

They were focused on the mountains, I guess.
I laughed.

hanger4

06-13-2016, 08:04 PM

exotix

06-13-2016, 08:05 PM

They were focused on the mountains, I guess.Why don't you man-up, take me off of ignore, and address me personally instead of wussing-out by quoting somebody who quoted me ... LOL

The Xl

06-13-2016, 08:11 PM

This is how Hillary Clinton and the left intend to ban guns, by going after owners who made lawful sales. It's Hillary Clinton's admitted plan, and it's effectively a way to indirectly ban guns.

exotix

06-13-2016, 08:15 PM

This is how Hillary Clinton and the left intend to ban guns, by going after owners who made lawful sales. It's Hillary Clinton's admitted plan, and it's effectively a way to indirectly ban guns.Let's also believe AR-15's are merely a gun and not a rifle designed specifically to massacre as many people as your finesse in changing high-capacity mags during said massacre ...

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 08:18 PM

Let's also believe AR-15's are merely a gun and not a rifle designed specifically to massacre as many people as your finesse in changing high-capacity mags in said massacre ...
How many days have you had this erection?

exotix

06-13-2016, 08:19 PM

How many days have you had this erection?Thanks pops but stick with your 50 cal you used back in Korea.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 08:22 PM

You mean the Triangle of Death ?

Yeah, irrigation ditches became prime locations for powerful IEDS and suicide bombers disguised as farmers ... why ? Didn't Bush, Cheney, Powell, Condi and Wolfowitz contemplate that ?

Okay, so now you've expanded your theory to include irrigation ditches.

Any other geographic features you want to throw in there?

By the way, I don't recall seeing any IEDs in an irrigation ditch while I was in Ramadi or Karma.

They were almost always in the road or right next to it.

It wouldn't make much sense to put an IED in an irrigation ditch because we didn't walk or drive on them.

And even if we got close enough to one, the embankments on either side of the ditch would have absorbed most of the blast from the IED.

But thanks for your interesting theories which directly contradict my experience in Iraq.

I found them very interesting.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 08:23 PM

They were focused on the mountains, I guess.

Apparently, they also failed to consider the presence of the perilous irrigation ditches in the Sunni Triangle.

If only they had known.

Mister D

06-13-2016, 08:26 PM

Apparently, they also failed to consider the presence of the perilous irrigation ditches in the Sunni Triangle.

If only they had known.

What morons. I read about those irrigation ditches in my high school history classes.

exotix

06-13-2016, 08:28 PM

What morons. I read about those irrigation ditches in my high school history classes.Can you see this ... if you can, pick your nose and flick a booger ... LOL

Why don't you man-up, take me off of ignore, and address me personally instead of wussing-out by quoting somebody who quoted me ... LOL

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 09:20 PM

Tell me more about how the insurgents were putting IEDs inside irrigation ditches, Exo.

I'm just riveted.

exotix

06-13-2016, 09:23 PM

Tell me more about how the insurgents were putting IEDs inside irrigation ditches, Exo.

I'm just riveted.Iraq's Forbidding 'Triangle of Death'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5710-2004Nov22.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mMsYEFTRJ8

valley ranch

06-13-2016, 09:27 PM

Vulgar!

Common

06-13-2016, 09:32 PM

exotix

06-13-2016, 09:35 PM

The gun store owner is not responsible he sold that gun legally. He gave him a full background check and 5 day waiting period. The gun store own a Retired NYC cop did absolutely nothing wrongI notice you finally got the GOP memo posted 10 times already.

Common

06-13-2016, 09:38 PM

I notice you finally got the GOP memo posted 10 times already.

huh wtf are you talking about. English version.

You stated the owner was blaming everyone else and I stated without stuttering that the gun store and owner didnt do ANYTHING wrong. They sold the gun legally and followed the law.

There is only one person to blame and that Mateen and thankfully the pos is dead too

exotix

06-13-2016, 09:43 PM

huh wtf are you talking about. English version.

You stated the owner was blaming everyone else and I stated without stuttering that the gun store and owner didnt do ANYTHING wrong. They sold the gun legally and followed the law.

There is only one person to blame and that Mateen and thankfully the pos is dead tooIf he didn't do anything wrong why is he blaming everyone ... especially the law ... for selling the weapons used in Americas' worst massacre ?

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 09:47 PM

Iraq's Forbidding 'Triangle of Death'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5710-2004Nov22.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mMsYEFTRJ8

This is the triangle of death:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/daily/graphics/sunni_112304.gif
This is the Sunni Triangle:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Sunni_triangle.jpg

I was in the Sunni Triangle, specifically, Ramadi and Karma.

And when I was there, I never came across an IED inside an irrigation ditch.

They were almost always in the road or on the side of the road.

It would make little sense to put an IED inside an irrigation ditch since we did not walk or drive on them.

But who am I to question your vast expertise on a place that you've never been to?

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 09:50 PM

Thanks pops but stick with your 50 cal you used back in Korea.
I was not thinking of an M2 heavy barrelled machine gun. Although I loved firing that weapon.

No. A 50 caliber rifle can reach out and destroy the electronics in an aircraft on a taxiway, at the end of a runway and sometimes even in a bermed holding area.

exotix

06-13-2016, 09:51 PM

This is the triangle of death:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/daily/graphics/sunni_112304.gif
This is the Sunni Triangle:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Sunni_triangle.jpg

I was in the Sunni Triangle, specifically, Ramadi and Karma.

And when I was there, I never came across an IED inside an irrigation ditch.

They were almost always in the road or on the side of the road.

It would make little sense to put an IED inside an irrigation ditch since we did not walk or drive on them.

But who am I to question your vast expertise on a place that you've never been to?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SIBSGel314

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_6vGj67Iq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJE-8J8d14

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 09:52 PM

Okay, so now you've expanded your theory to include irrigation ditches.

Any other geographic features you want to throw in there?

By the way, I don't recall seeing any IEDs in an irrigation ditch while I was in Ramadi or Karma.

They were almost always in the road or right next to it.

It wouldn't make much sense to put an IED in an irrigation ditch because we didn't walk or drive on them.

And even if we got close enough to one, the embankments on either side of the ditch would have absorbed most of the blast from the IED.

But thanks for your interesting theories which directly contradict my experience in Iraq.

I found them very interesting.
Very early on I saw photos of rockets (122 mm) lined up on the edge of a ditch to fire (into the Green Zone). I also saw before and after pictures of a donkey with two rockets in a cradle. The poor animal.

birddog

06-13-2016, 09:55 PM

This Zimmy-like thug Gun Store owner looks and acts exactly as I imagined.

Just like a libtard, using personal attack when you have nothing.

exotix

06-13-2016, 09:57 PM

Just like a libtard, using personal attack when you have nothing.How does one defend a cop who was probably on Ground Zero who now sells battlefield weaponry to jihadists ?

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 09:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SIBSGel314

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_6vGj67Iq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJE-8J8d14

None of those IEDs were in irrigation ditches.

They were all in the road or right next to the road, just like I said.

exotix

06-13-2016, 10:02 PM

None of those IEDs were in irrigation ditches.

They were all in the road or right next to the road, just like I said.No that's an Abrahms getting up-ended by 2 IEDS planted in irrigation ditches on each side of the road ...

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 10:04 PM

No that's an Abrahms getting up-ended by 2 IEDS planted in irrigation ditches on each side of the road ...
Drainage ditches?

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 10:04 PM

Very early on I saw photos of rockets (122 mm) lined up on the edge of a ditch to fire (into the Green Zone). I also saw before and after pictures of a donkey with two rockets in a cradle. The poor animal.

It's true that they could use the incline on the embankment as a launching platform for rockets, but the irrigation "ditches" or canals that lined my area of operations in Ramadi and Karma were quite steep and about seven feet deep full of water and reeds. If you feel in one of those ditches, you could have drowned easily. So we usually kept our distance from them unless we were crossing over them on foot. And I never found an IED inside one of those ditches, so I have no idea what Exotix is talking about when he claims they were a "prime" location.

exotix

06-13-2016, 10:06 PM

Drainage ditches?Could be ... but I'm not gonna post vids of our boys getting blown to pieces because you want to argue about what kind of ditch it is ...

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 10:10 PM

It's true that they could use the incline on the embankment as a launching platform for rockets, but the irrigation "ditches" or canals that lined my area of operations in Ramadi and Karma were quite steep and about seven feet deep full of water and reeds. If you feel in one of those ditches, you could have drowned easily. So we usually kept our distance from them unless we were crossing over them on foot. And I never found an IED inside one of those ditches, so I have no idea what Exotix is talking about when he claims they were a "prime" location.
I understand. I am familiar with the irrigation ditches in several locations. Well, I was.

I think Exo means the roadside drainage ditches.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 10:16 PM

No that's an Abrahms getting up-ended by 2 IEDS planted in irrigation ditches on each side of the road ...

No it wasn't.

It was a single IED that was planted directly underneath the road, either in a culvert or buried beneath the asphalt.

But let's assume for the sake of argument that it was what you say it was, that was one example out of dozens of examples.

Not exactly supportive of your earlier hypothesis that "irrigation ditches" were a "prime" location for IEDs.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 10:23 PM

Could be ... but I'm not gonna post vids of our boys getting blown to pieces because you want to argue about what kind of ditch it is ...

Even if what you said were true, about the mountains and the irrigation ditches, it wouldn't support your asinine theories about insurgencies and geography.

Because America also has mountains and ditches in it, which makes your dimwitted mockery of an American insurgency utterly without basis.

You just like to pretend that you have some kind of connection to military culture and tactics when it's quite clear you're nothing but a phony.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 10:26 PM

Could be ... but I'm not gonna post vids of our boys getting blown to pieces because you want to argue about what kind of ditch it is ...
A drainage ditch is beside the road. Irrigation ditches are used to move water through the fields. I once saw a picture of 8-9 122 mm artillery shells wired together laying in a drainage ditch. They used a garage door opener to detonate the IED.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 10:31 PM

I understand. I am familiar with the irrigation ditches in several locations. Well, I was.

I think Exo means the roadside drainage ditches.

Even if that is what Exo meant, Exo would still be wrong because that is a stupid place to put an IED.

The embankments would absorb most of the blast and direct the shrapnel upward and outward.

The best place to put an IED is on the road or immediately off to its side, not down in a ditch where it will do the least amount of damage.

That's not to say they never put IEDs in ditches, but it wasn't a "prime" location like Exo claimed.

MisterVeritis

06-13-2016, 10:36 PM

Even if that is what Exo meant, Exo would still be wrong because that is a stupid place to put an IED.

The embankments would absorb most of the blast and direct the shrapnel upward and outward.

The best place to put an IED is on the road or immediately off to its side, not down in a ditch where it will do the least amount of damage.

That's not to say they never put IEDs in ditches, but it wasn't a "prime" location like Exo claimed.
True. I think the photo I saw was where they were being staged prior to moving them, under the cover of darkness, closer to the road.

I have high-quality secondary knowledge of one rocket attack where the rounds were just lined up, a few feet apart on the cut of a drainage ditch. I had pictures of where each of the rockets struck the building we were preparing for protection.

Ethereal

06-13-2016, 10:40 PM

True. I think the photo I saw was where they were being staged prior to moving them, under the cover of darkness, closer to the road.

I have high-quality secondary knowledge of one rocket attack where the rounds were just lined up, a few feet apart on the cut of a drainage ditch. I had pictures of where each of the rockets struck the building we were preparing for protection.

Yes, that would be a good staging point for them. Easy to conceal and near the optimal location.

zelmo1234

06-13-2016, 10:48 PM

*Breaking*

Ex-New York cop has no remorse ... not a care in the World ... sold AR-15 and Sig Sauer 9mm to Omar Mateen apparently even after knowing Omar made jihadist comments at work that led to his being investigated by FBI ...

http://i67.tinypic.com/117xuyw.jpg

Here is the funny part.

If this owner would have not sold these guns to a Muslim that passed all of the background checks and you and the other left wing loons would have found out about it?

You would have been screaming RACISM

I think it is time that the left Start to Cowboy Up. Their friends the Radical Islamic Terrorist are targeting them.

And they were so nice and kind to them! Go figure.

gamewell45

06-14-2016, 12:23 AM

Do you always find yourself befuddled? Why do you believe the fight would be one versus the Army? That is not the way I would do it. Nor was it the way successful revolutions were started.

Attacking members of the Army would be very late in the rebellion. The first phase is organization. That is the phase we are in today. A successful organization phase often takes many months to years.

Next comes very low-intensity operations. Assassinations and robberies. Typical targets are judges, mayors, and high-level accessible government officials. There may be opportunity targets during this phase. So if a high ranking officer just happens to be in the right spot at the wrong time he or she might be murdered. This phase can also last a few years. If the rebellion is well funded this portion will be used to train and harden the rebels.

A shadow government will overlap this phase at some point. Terrorism will begin to be used as a weapon against pro-government civilians and businesses. This is when stooges, people like you are killed.

Shall I go on? Very small 1-3 person operations are expanded into squad and platoon operations. And still attacking the Army directly is a long ways away.

Of course the NSA is most likely reading everything you post in these forums so you can be labeled a terrorist yourself and just disappear one day. Brilliant! With people like you leading the pack your little revolution isn't going to get any farther then your computer keyboard. :rollseyes:

Tahuyaman

06-14-2016, 01:33 AM

Whenever a Muslim commits a terrorist act, the liberal hand wringers look for someone else to blame.

MMC

06-14-2016, 05:48 AM

Whenever a Muslim commits a terrorist act, the liberal hand wringers look for someone else to blame.

Well they failed miserably around here yesterday. But then you saw how they all got behind Exo who couldn't find his way out of a wet brown paper bag.

What I want to know.....is why do those that lean to the Right allow them to spam the board with nothing but BS.

MMC

06-14-2016, 06:00 AM

Of course the NSA is most likely reading everything you post in these forums so you can be labeled a terrorist yourself and just disappear one day. Brilliant! With people like you leading the pack your little revolution isn't going to get any farther then your computer keyboard. :rollseyes:

Yeah and then they will see he is talking about the basics all do with a revolution or rebellion. Oh and political Aides of politicians also visit political sites to get the pulse on whats up with those who do know about politics.

Of course they see the leftness around here and know they can't even compete. Hence all that namecalling and going personal.

You didn't think you were scaring anybody with that BS, did you? Most ex military and especially those of Spec Ops. We aren't intimidated.

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 06:33 AM

*Breaking*

Ex-New York cop has no remorse ... not a care in the World ... sold AR-15 and Sig Sauer 9mm to Omar Mateen apparently even after knowing Omar made jihadist comments at work that led to his being investigated by FBI ...

http://i67.tinypic.com/117xuyw.jpg

Still naively thinking it is the guns fault? Now that's some funny, but stupid jive there. :biglaugh:

FACT: Omar was born a US citizen.

FACT: Liberuls are constantly telling us that Islam is a religion of peace and not violence.

FACT: Omar purchased the weapons legally.

FACT: Omar was NOT on the "no-fly" list.

FACT: Omar was investigated not once, but TWICE by the FBI and not charged with any crime.

MAJOR FACT: MORE gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy.

FACT: Liberuls are the dumbest most naïve fools in the universe as we know it. :biglaugh:

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 06:34 AM

Why are using the phrase approved by the FBI to purchase ... ?

Does The FBI make Approvals now? :huh:

They do the background checks. DERP! :laugh:

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 06:35 AM

They do Background checks, not approvals

Kind of hard to get the gun if they flunk the background check right Ceeeegar. Therefore, they APPROVE. DERP!

exotix

06-14-2016, 06:39 AM

Whenever a Muslim commits a terrorist act, the liberal hand wringers look for someone else to blame.Really ? Is this Gun Store owner a Lib ?

MMC

06-14-2016, 06:44 AM

Really ? Is this Gun Store owner a Lib ?

He meant all the other normal liberal hand wringers not you. Those such as yourself in meltdown mode don't get included. :laugh:

exotix

06-14-2016, 06:59 AM

He meant all the other normal liberal hand wringers not you. Those such as yourself in meltdown mode don't get included. :laugh:I simply asked if the gun store owner is a lib ... doesn't require another diatribe of the tormented ....

Mac-7

06-14-2016, 07:08 AM

I simply asked if the gun store owner is a lib ... doesn't require another diatribe of the tormented ....

Odds are the gun store owner is not a bleeding heart liberal.

or at least not voting for someone like hillary who wants to grab all the guns and put him out of business.

zelmo1234

06-14-2016, 07:08 AM

I simply asked if the gun store owner is a lib ... doesn't require another diatribe of the tormented ....

Says the person that NEVER answers a question.

PolWatch

06-14-2016, 07:18 AM

I didn't agree with letting the ban on assault weapon expire. The idea that anyone would use them for hunting something other than humans is ludicrous. That said, the ban expired and the gun store owner did nothing illegal. I have seen people blaming the victims because they are gay and now I see people blaming the store owner for doing something legal. The actual fault is with the shooter & the conditions that allowed him to buy that weapon. That is not the fault of the store but the FBI & others who are charged with investigating the background of the murderer.

I have really bad thoughts about drunk drivers (my mother was killed by one) but its not the store that legally sold the alcohol or the dealer that sold the car. Its the end user that killed her. I don't see a lot of difference here. I won't complain if the ban is reinstated or the controls on possession of these weapons changed. Now, the screaming can commence.

zelmo1234

06-14-2016, 07:24 AM

Mac-7

06-14-2016, 07:29 AM

I didn't agree with letting the ban on assault weapon expire. The idea that anyone would use them for hunting something other than humans is ludicrous.

That said, the ban expired and the gun store owner did nothing illegal. I have seen people blaming the victims because they are gay and now I see people blaming the store owner for doing something legal. The actual fault is with the shooter & the conditions that allowed him to buy that weapon. That is not the fault of the store but the FBI & others who are charged with investigating the background of the murderer.

I have really bad thoughts about drunk drivers (my mother was killed by one) but its not the store that legally sold the alcohol or the dealer that sold the car. Its the end user that killed her. I don't see a lot of difference here. I won't complain if the ban is reinstated or the controls on possession of these weapons changed. Now, the screaming can commence.

The 2nd Amendment was not written to protect hunters' right to own a squirrel rifle.

PolWatch

06-14-2016, 07:31 AM

Of course this is TRUE. And this is an excellent post by the way.

But many of the left in this country, can't blame the shooter or the conditions and ideologies that caused this to happen

It does not fit the Agenda, so they choose to walk another path.

I agree....but on the other side of the coin we have the extreme right trying to convince everyone that its all a vast conspiracy against the 2nd Amendment. People disagree for many reasons....I prefer logic instead of hysteria.

zelmo1234

06-14-2016, 07:37 AM

I agree....but on the other side of the coin we have the extreme right trying to convince everyone that its all a vast conspiracy against the 2nd Amendment. People disagree for many reasons....I prefer logic instead of hysteria.

One of the things to remember if we are using logic, is that Gun violence was much higher when the assault weapons ban was in place.

Most people don't understand that what we call an assault weapon is just window dressing. And that are people that Hunt with them. Mostly Varmints, because Most are to small of a caliber to hunt things like Deer, Elk, and Bear with.

And the fact that we not have Millions on the street and with this attack there will be millions more I am sure.

PolWatch

06-14-2016, 07:46 AM

We had the discussion yesterday about the decline in gun violence (and the accompanying increase in gun sales). Since the same reports show that more guns are owned by fewer people....what do those numbers really reflect? The idea of gun control has left the barn. Too many weapons in the hands of too many criminals. The options seem to be an increased arms race. Remember the Cold War? We can all race to reach a point of equal chance of annihilation or come up with a method to make those illegal guns useless. I don't like the idea of average Americans feeling they have to go heavily armed to the local grocery store.

donttread

06-14-2016, 07:52 AM

My but this is awfully handy timing for the control freaks and a government that want to use mere suspicion to take away people's rights. Now we have an example they can point to. Very handy timing indeed

exotix

06-14-2016, 09:07 AM

The 2nd Amendment was not written to protect hunters' right to own a squirrel rifle.
Odds are the gun store owner is not a bleeding heart liberal.

or at least not voting for someone like hillary who wants to grab all the guns and put him out of business.
Says the person that NEVER answers a question.
One of the things to remember if we are using logic, is that Gun violence was much higher when the assault weapons ban was in place.

Most people don't understand that what we call an assault weapon is just window dressing. And that are people that Hunt with them. Mostly Varmints, because Most are to small of a caliber to hunt things like Deer, Elk, and Bear with.

And the fact that we not have Millions on the street and with this attack there will be millions more I am sure.
Have you been listening to survivor stories ... almost everyone tells the story of how they tried to look like the dead by trying to look like their heads were blown-off ... yeah one guy was saying he was staring at a head with only part of a skull with an eye staring at 'em ... and that's he got the idea to put part of a soaf over his head so it looked like he had no head ... Omar shot 'em in the back anyway ...

Further, I was watching a woman cop at a police gun range actually trying to explain that a .45 round is much more damaging than a .223 round simply because it's a bigger round ... as if that matters.

Mac-7

06-14-2016, 09:13 AM

Have you been listening to survivor stories ... almost everyone tells the story of how they tried to look like the dead by trying to look like their heads were blown-off ...

Further, I was watching a woman cop at a police gun range actually trying to explain that a 45 round is much more damaging than a .223 round ... as if that matters.

you have been feeding your emotional response to the shooting.

but decisions should be based on logic not emotion.

GrassrootsConservative

06-14-2016, 09:29 AM

Blame the diaperhead that shot the people.

Gun store owners? Completely irrelevant.

gamewell45

06-14-2016, 09:44 AM

Yeah and then they will see he is talking about the basics all do with a revolution or rebellion. Oh and political Aides of politicians also visit political sites to get the pulse on whats up with those who do know about politics.

Of course they see the leftness around here and know they can't even compete. Hence all that namecalling and going personal.

You didn't think you were scaring anybody with that BS, did you? Most ex military and especially those of Spec Ops. We aren't intimidated.

That's it, encourage the guy; your just as bad as he is and using former military experience as a lame excuse is pitiful. Don't worry, you and your little revolution won't get past the keyboard; maybe i'll wave to you as I drive past the prison. :rollseyes:

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 09:55 AM

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 09:56 AM

I agree....but on the other side of the coin we have the extreme right trying to convince everyone that its all a vast conspiracy against the 2nd Amendment. People disagree for many reasons....I prefer logic instead of hysteria.

Okay, are you seriously trying to argue that the left in this country are not trying to ban ALL private weapon ownership? Because that is the biggest lie ever propagated by the left and won't pass the SMELL test.

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 09:58 AM

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 10:00 AM

Have you been listening to survivor stories ... almost everyone tells the story of how they tried to look like the dead by trying to look like their heads were blown-off ... yeah one guy was saying he was staring at a head with only part of a skull with an eye staring at 'em ... and that's he got the idea to put part of a soaf over his head so it looked like he had no head ... Omar shot 'em in the back anyway ...

Further, I was watching a woman cop at a police gun range actually trying to explain that a .45 round is much more damaging than a .223 round simply because it's a bigger round ... as if that matters.

You're still batting a thousand for not getting much of anything right. As for the .45 round versus the .223..... :biglaugh:

PolWatch

06-14-2016, 10:13 AM

When did the assault weapon ban end? I am pretty sure it still is illegal to own one even today. DERP

Another Liberul who doesn't know the difference between an "assault weapon" and one that merely looks like one.

1984...history is your friend

'The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like AK-47s, Uzis and TEC-9s can now be legally bought — a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased. The 1994 ban, signed by then President Clinton, outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.
Studies done by pro- and anti-gun groups as well as the Justice Department show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.'
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5946127/ns/politics/t/congress-lets-assault-weapons-ban-expire/#.V2AepKLujIU

exotix

06-14-2016, 10:16 AM

You're still batting a thousand for not getting much of anything right. As for the .45 round versus the .223..... :biglaugh:The cop was talking like Hannibal or Dr. Phibes as if there's a difference in getting your head blown off either by a .45 or .223 ... actually stating you can survive a .223 round to the head as opposed to a .45 round.

This is the mentality of winggunnuts.

Common

06-14-2016, 10:18 AM

I wouldnt be against an automatic assault rifle ban, if someone could assure me, automatic assault rifles coming over the mexican and canadian borders would be stopped. Id hate to have the badguys have them and not the good.

I believe it was Laredo texas I might be wrong discovered a tunnel that was used for not only drug running but gun running. The found crates of automatic weapons.

I dont know if the left is naive or they just choose to ignore. That there are bad people that will provide ANYTHING as long as there is money to made. This country has a history of being unable to stop anything or unwilling to stop anything.

If you have people that are willing to kill children by plying them with drugs.
You dont think they are willing to bring in assault rifles to kill them.

birddog

06-14-2016, 10:22 AM

MMC

06-14-2016, 11:19 AM

That's it, encourage the guy; your just as bad as he is and using former military experience as a lame excuse is pitiful. Don't worry, you and your little revolution won't get past the keyboard; maybe i'll wave to you as I drive past the prison. :rollseyes:

My revolution started when I humiliated David Brock and Media Matters in front of the MS media and when I started showing up in front of Democrats faces and entering their spaces. Daring them to be more than what they are.

Which they all know now.....I will treat them appropriately. I am merciful.

Been doing it for the last 10 years. Its amazing what one can do within the law to destroy people.....isn't it. :laugh:

MisterVeritis

06-14-2016, 11:30 AM

Of course the NSA is most likely reading everything you post in these forums so you can be labeled a terrorist yourself and just disappear one day. Brilliant! With people like you leading the pack your little revolution isn't going to get any farther then your computer keyboard. :rollseyes:
I have no doubts about my files. Given my twenty year military career, much of it in military intelligence the government knows far more about me than it does about you.

I am not concerned about the government coming for me because I learned so much about rebellions, revolutions, and small wars while I was on active duty.

Examine your assumptions. You already believe, as much, if not more than I do, that we live under tyrannical rule.

Professor Peabody

06-14-2016, 11:32 AM

You're claiming Ed Henson personally sold him the firearms and knew Marteen had made jihadist comments? Or are you just making this $#@! up as you go? Marteen legally bought two firearms and went through the mandatory three day waiting period. The FBI cleared the purchase, as required by law. Did you have the same hissy fit when Tsarnaev bought pressure cookers from Macy's and the backpacks to carry them at Target? No, of course not. You don't give a damn about 50 dead people, you couldn't wait to climb on their corpses to shriek about guns. :rollseyes: When doesn't that one make up stuff as he goes along.

MisterVeritis

06-14-2016, 11:34 AM

Standing Wolf

06-14-2016, 11:35 AM

Careful now ... people might start thinking you're rah rah'ng the worst mass-murder in U.S. History because a Gun Store owner assumed his rights to sell battlefield weapons to a gay muslim disguised as a jihadist.

Good luck going onto most modern battle fields with a semi-automatic weapon.

Cletus

06-14-2016, 11:36 AM

Have you been listening to survivor stories ... almost everyone tells the story of how they tried to look like the dead by trying to look like their heads were blown-off ... yeah one guy was saying he was staring at a head with only part of a skull with an eye staring at 'em ... and that's he got the idea to put part of a soaf over his head so it looked like he had no head ... Omar shot 'em in the back anyway ...

They should have been fighting instead of cowering.

Further, I was watching a woman cop at a police gun range actually trying to explain that a .45 round is much more damaging than a .223 round simply because it's a bigger round ... as if that matters.

She doesn't know what she is talking about.

MisterVeritis

06-14-2016, 11:37 AM

Standing Wolf

06-14-2016, 11:38 AM

you have been feeding your emotional response to the shooting.

but decisions should be based on logic not emotion.

You'd be more convincing when you write that if you were consistent in applying that standard to all issues.

exotix

06-14-2016, 11:39 AM

When doesn't that one make up stuff as he goes along.
They should have been fighting instead of cowering.

She doesn't know what she is talking about.
Notice your mentality ... incomprehensible what lengths the GOP will go to destroy Obama and Dems ...

That they voted yay for the rights of terrorists and mass-murderers to simply walk-in to Deliverance Dans' *Shoot 'em all up* NRA Arms Dealer Store and walk out with AR-15's and unlimited ammo ... walk down the street and commence to massacre ...

Wake Up America

MisterVeritis

06-14-2016, 11:39 AM

hanger4

06-14-2016, 11:42 AM

exotix

06-14-2016, 11:46 AM

Wake up @exotix (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=516)

That bill would not have stopped Omar from buying the weapons. He was not on the terrorist watch list.Got a better excuse/defense than that ... I'm finding it hard to believe you're attempting to defend terrorists, mass-murderers and the arms dealers who sell them weapons because the GOP voted yay for it.

HoneyBadger

06-14-2016, 11:52 AM

Got a better excuse/defense than that ... I'm finding it hard to believe you're attempting to defend terrorists, mass-murderers and the arms dealers who sell them weapons because the GOP voted yay for it.

I'm guessing the person (that would be you) who supports disarming law abiding citizens and leaving firearms ONLY in the hands of criminals and terrorists isn't owned an explanation about anything.

exotix

06-14-2016, 12:07 PM

I'm guessing the person (that would be you) who supports disarming law abiding citizens and leaving firearms ONLY in the hands of criminals and terrorists isn't owned an explanation about anything.That's certainly a much more sophisticated excuse/defense than hanger's ... LOL

hanger4

06-14-2016, 12:12 PM

Got a better excuse/defense than that ... I'm finding it hard to believe you're attempting to defend terrorists, mass-murderers and the arms dealers who sell them weapons because the GOP voted yay for it.

Not defending exo. I just explained how that bill you tout would not have stopped Omar and in your response you lied.

exotix

06-14-2016, 12:16 PM

Not defending exo. I just explained how that bill you tout would not have stopped Omar and in your response you lied.No sweat ... you have the defense of stating this defense after every massacre.

hanger4

06-14-2016, 12:21 PM

No sweat ... you have the defense of stating this defense after every massacre.

It may or may not stand-up exo, every case is different. In this case Omar was not on the terrorist watch list, so even it had been signed into law it would not have stopped the purchase of his arms.

MMC

06-14-2016, 12:30 PM

Notice your mentality ... incomprehensible what lengths the GOP will go to destroy Obama and Dems ...

That they voted yay for the rights of terrorists and mass-murderers to simply walk-in to Deliverance Dans' *Shoot 'em all up* NRA Arms Dealer Store and walk out with AR-15's and unlimited ammo ... walk down the street and commence to massacre ...

Wake Up America

Notice your mentality lacking while making shit up on the fly as usual. The Repubs voted just like the ACLU said. Which you were owned yesterday on that in 3 different threads while going thru your meltdown around here.

Doubling down on it today shows just how disingenous you are. Trying to be as dishonest as Hillary is not a good thing.

Standing Wolf

06-14-2016, 12:34 PM

Exo seems to have joined JDubya in deciding that all one must do in discussions of gun-related issues is respond to logic and stats with insults and diversions.

Until either of them decides to discuss the matter with some rationality and maturity, it's a waste of time and bandwidth to engage them.

exotix

06-14-2016, 12:39 PM

It may or may not stand-up exo, every case is different. In this case Omar was not on the terrorist watch list, so even it had been signed into law it would not have stopped the purchase of his arms.Yes ?

Well lemme ask you this ... in law, there's a notion called *reasonable belief* ... it walks hand-in-hand with *discovery* and *legal norm*

Impress the exotix how the GOP have applied such important legal virtues ... especially impress the exotix how it pertains to the wisdoms of the founding fathers especially with regards to the 2nd Amendment and how GOP Congress derived these virtues when they voted yay for terrorists and mass-murderers the right to walk in to a gun store, buy an AR-15 and commence to massacre ...

You may use such historical examples such as the Volstead Act ... that is, what matter of thought did the U.S. Senate have when they drafted prohibition ... and most important, what matter of thought did they have when they repealed it.

hanger4

06-14-2016, 12:55 PM

Yes ?

Well lemme ask you this ... in law, there's a notion called *reasonable belief* ... it walks hand-in-hand with *discovery* and *legal norm*

Impress the exotix how the GOP have applied such important legal virtues ... especially impress the exotix how it pertains to the wisdoms of the founding fathers especially with regards to the 2nd Amendment and how GOP Congress derived these virtues when they voted yay for terrorists and mass-murderers the right to walk in to a gun store, buy an AR-15 and commence to massacre ...

You may use such historical examples such as the Volstead Act ... that is, what matter of thought did the U.S. Senate have when they drafted prohibition ... and most important, what matter of thought did they have when they repealed it.

But the GOP Congress didn't vote yay for terrorists and mass-murderers the right to walk in to a gun store, buy an AR-15 and commence to massacre. As explained Omar WASN'T on the terrorist watch list, therefore your screed is mute.

exotix

06-14-2016, 12:58 PM

But the GOP Congress didn't vote yay for terrorists and mass-murderers the right to walk in to a gun store, buy an AR-15 and commence to massacre. As explained Omar WASN'T on the terrorist watch list, therefore your screed is mute.No ?

Well what *reasonable belief* did GOP Congress have to block the bill then ?

MMC

06-14-2016, 12:59 PM

Yes ?

Well lemme ask you this ... in law, there's a notion called *reasonable belief* ... it walks hand-in-hand with *discovery* and *legal norm*

Impress the exotix how the GOP have applied such important legal virtues ... especially impress the exotix how it pertains to the wisdoms of the founding fathers especially with regards to the 2nd Amendment and how GOP Congress derived these virtues when they voted yay for terrorists and mass-murderers the right to walk in to a gun store, buy an AR-15 and commence to massacre ...

You may use such historical examples such as the Volstead Act ... that is, what matter of thought did the U.S. Senate have when they drafted prohibition ... and most important, what matter of thought did they have when they repealed it.

Face it Exo.....you have been owned and disowned with this issue. :laugh:

Now, even the MS Media can't help you. :wink:

exotix

06-14-2016, 01:02 PM

Face it Exo.....you have been owned and disowned with this issue. :laugh:

Now, even the MS Media can't help you. :wink:I was just curious ... I mean did I really have the expectation you understand constitutional *wisdoms* ?

birddog

06-14-2016, 01:08 PM

No ?

Well what *reasonable belief* did GOP Congress have to block the bill then ?

Again, "due process rights," which you libs are usually in favor of, and the fact there are many people on the "watch list" by mistake.

hanger4

06-14-2016, 01:10 PM

No ?

Well what *reasonable belief* did GOP Congress have to block the bill then ?

"Due process"

https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/privacy-and-surveillance/watchlists

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:11 PM

1984...history is your friend

'The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like AK-47s, Uzis and TEC-9s can now be legally bought — a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased. The 1994 ban, signed by then President Clinton, outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.
Studies done by pro- and anti-gun groups as well as the Justice Department show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.'
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5946127/ns/politics/t/congress-lets-assault-weapons-ban-expire/#.V2AepKLujIU

Sorry; those weren't assault weapons. Assault weapons, those of selective fire mode, have been outlawed since the 1940's.

Apparently you have bought into the hype and propaganda of the gun lobby; no surprise.

Prior to 1989, the term "assault weapon" did not exist in the lexicon of firearms. It is a political term, developed by anti-gun publicists to expand the category of "assault rifles."

What some people call "assault weapons" function like every other normal firearm—they fire only one bullet each time the trigger is pressed. Unlike automatics (machine guns), they do not fire continuously as long as the trigger is held. ... Today in America, most handguns are semi-automatics, as are many long guns, including the best-selling rifle today, the AR-15, the model used in the Newtown shooting. Some of these guns look like machine guns, but they do not function like machine guns.

...........

The answer is perception. According to a 1988 report by the Violence Policy Center, an anti-gun lobby:

"[H]andgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. Assault weapons ... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

In the late 1980s, more than two decades after the AR-15 was first sold to the American public, the anti-gun lobby began a systematic campaign to conflate it and other "military-style" firearms with machine guns. The media followed suit, and soon the American public began to think that an assault weapon was, like the assault rifles it resembled, a machine gun.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:13 PM

The cop was talking like Hannibal or Dr. Phibes as if there's a difference in getting your head blown off either by a .45 or .223 ... actually stating you can survive a .223 round to the head as opposed to a .45 round.

This is the mentality of winggunnuts.

I am amused that you think you have even the slightest clue about ballistics, weapons and how they perform. Truly amazing watching clueless tools who parrot DNC talking points pretend they know anything about the topic.

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:14 PM

exotix

06-14-2016, 01:18 PM

I am amused that you think you have even the slightest clue about ballistics, weapons and how they perform. Truly amazing watching clueless tools who parrot DNC talking points pretend they know anything about the topic.

What a toad ... every winggunnut knows that the very first assault-rifle ... the STG44 ... is better than an AR-15 or any other assault-rifle.

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:18 PM

I was just curious ... I mean did I really have the expectation you understand constitutional *wisdoms* ?

Truly amazing crap here; someone who schits on the Constitution whenever they see fit now ranting about Constitutional rights while.....advocating everyone schit on it. If that isn't the definition of retarded...... :biglaugh:

birddog

06-14-2016, 01:20 PM

It's amazing that libtards will never admit it, when they are proven to be totally wrong, eh exotix?

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:20 PM

What a toad ... every winggunnut knows that the very first assault-rifle ... the STG44 ... is better than an AR-15 or any other assault-rifle.

The AR-15 isn't an "assault rifle." DERP

Good lord, I think my keyboard has more intelligence in it.

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:21 PM

It's amazing that libtards will never admit it, when they are proven to be totally wrong, eh exotix?

Well; to be fair, first the LibTard would have to be able to comprehend a fact and what is right. That ain't happening with clueless tools who moronically parrot DNC talking points. ;)

exotix

06-14-2016, 01:24 PM

The AR-15 isn't an "assault rifle." DERP

Good lord, I think my keyboard has more intelligence in it.Lemme guess ... just because you're a toad doesn't mean you are ... http://s9.tinypic.com/1z3a2ba_th.jpg (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1z3a2ba&s=9)

Cletus

06-14-2016, 01:26 PM

There has been automatic assault rifle bans all our lives. SMH

No.

You could legally buy an M-16, MP5, or an M-60 machinegun today. They are tightly regulated, but they are not prohibited. In fact, I am a licensed dealer in NFA Class III devices... Automatic weapons, silencers, SBRs, SBSs, etcetera. They are all legal for any citizen over the age of 21 and no criminal record to own. There a re a couple of extra hoops you have to jump through and there is some extra expense involved, but you could purchase one tomorrow if you so desired.

Personally, I am not and never have been a big proponent of automatic weapons (other than crew served). I think they are wasteful and I can tickle a trigger more than fast enough to put multiple rounds on target in a hurry.

MisterVeritis

06-14-2016, 01:26 PM

What a toad ... every winggunnut knows that the very first assault-rifle ... the STG44 ... is better than an AR-15 or any other assault-rifle.
Weapons are created for reasons. The STG was a heavy weapon with heavy rounds.

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:27 PM

Lemme guess ... just because you're a toad doesn't mean you are ... http://s9.tinypic.com/1z3a2ba_th.jpg (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1z3a2ba&s=9)

Let me guess....just because you type like a retard doesn't mean you are one. :biglaugh:

MisterVeritis

06-14-2016, 01:27 PM

The AR-15 isn't an "assault rifle." DERP

Good lord, I think my keyboard has more intelligence in it.
I know my keyboard does. Nothing but the best for me.

Cletus

06-14-2016, 01:28 PM

Lemme guess ... just because you're a toad doesn't mean you are ... http://s9.tinypic.com/1z3a2ba_th.jpg (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1z3a2ba&s=9)

He is correct.

Truth Detector

06-14-2016, 01:28 PM

No.

You could legally buy an M-16, MP5, or an M-60 machinegun today. They are tightly regulated, but they are not prohibited. In fact, I am a licensed dealer in NFA Class III devices... Automatic weapons, silencers, SBRs, SBSs, etcetera. They are all legal for any citizen over the age of 21 and no criminal record to own. There a re a couple of extra hoops you have to jump through and there is some extra expense involved, but you could purchase one tomorrow if you so desired.

Personally, I am not and never have been a big proponent of automatic weapons (other than crew served). I think they are wasteful and I can tickle a trigger more than fast enough to put multiple rounds on target in a hurry.

They are prohibited from public use and are not the subject of this discussion. This discussion centers around the stupidity in thinking there is no difference just because a weapon looks like one or that gun laws would have somehow played a factor here.

Cletus

06-14-2016, 01:29 PM

What a toad ... every winggunnut knows that the very first assault-rifle ... the STG44 ... is better than an AR-15 or any other assault-rifle.

Not even close.

MMC

06-14-2016, 01:33 PM

I was just curious ... I mean did I really have the expectation you understand constitutional *wisdoms* ?

No you wasnt curious....all you wanted to do is show how inadequate you are over the issue that you got debunked on. So now all you are doing is flaming to keep your threads up and running. SOP for those that go into mentdown mode.

Cletus

06-14-2016, 01:33 PM

What a toad ... every winggunnut knows that the very first assault-rifle ... the STG44 ... is better than an AR-15 or any other assault-rifle.

By the way, the STG44 was not the first assault rifle.

Ethereal

06-14-2016, 01:35 PM

By the way, the STG44 was not the first assault rifle.

Exotix gets off on pretending to be an expert about firearms and military culture for some reason.

exotix

06-14-2016, 01:37 PM

By the way, the STG44 was not the first assault rifle.Lie ... because when you say assault-weapon or assault-rifle ... its because it was deployed ... technically making the MKB42 the first assault-rifle ...

Makes no difference to Winggunnut freaks though.

Cletus

06-14-2016, 01:46 PM

Lie ... because when you say assault-weapon or assault-rifle ... its because it was deployed ... technically making the MKB42 the first assault-rifle ...

Makes no difference to Winggunnut freaks though.

No, it is not a lie.

The first rifle to meet the modern working definition of "assault rifle" was probably the Federov, which predated the STG44 by about 30 years.

exotix

06-14-2016, 01:53 PM

No, it is not a lie.

The first rifle to meet the modern working definition of "assault rifle" was probably the Federov, which predated the STG44 by about 30 years.The Avtomat is only considererd an assault-rifle by wackos trying to get one-upmanship ... such as yourself ...

The 1908 Farquhar-Hill would technically be the first in this regard.

MisterVeritis

06-14-2016, 01:58 PM

Exotix gets off on pretending to be an expert about firearms and military culture for some reason.
Whereas I barely have an interest in weapons.

Cletus

06-14-2016, 02:02 PM

The Avtomat is only considererd an assault-rifle by wackos trying to get one-upmanship ... such as yourself ...

The 1908 Farquhar-Hill would technically be the first in this regard.

Whatever you say, Girlfriend. :grin:

Mac-7

06-14-2016, 02:08 PM

No ?

Well what *reasonable belief* did GOP Congress have to block the bill then ?

Its impossible to talk sense to hysterical liberals

this normal ordinary muslim was not on the suspected terrorist list so your headline and premise is false

exotix

06-14-2016, 02:11 PM

Its impossible to talk sense to hysterical liberals

this normal ordinary muslim was not on the suspected terrorist list so your headline and premise is falseWhy Mac ... way to go in stepping-up to the plate ... you're at the top of the list ... LOL

Cletus

06-14-2016, 02:14 PM

exotix

06-14-2016, 02:46 PM

Design on the Farquar Hill started two years after the Federov and the rifle was deployed 3 years after the Federov was put into service.

I was going to let this go, but people who pretend to know things they do not annoy me.If you actually don't know why the STG44 is considered the first assault-weapon (rifle) and actually tried to one-upmanship me with a Fedorov ... well, you have no business owning guns.

Cletus

06-14-2016, 02:50 PM

If you actually don't know why the STG44 is considered the first assault-weapon (rifle) and actually tried to one-upmanship me with a Fedorov ... well, you have no business owning guns.

It is only considered the first assault rifle by people who don't know anything about assault rifles.

That would include you.

Safety

06-14-2016, 04:34 PM

You prove what an ignorant liberal is. Congratulations.:grin:

Stop the personal attacks

gamewell45

06-14-2016, 11:05 PM

Have you ever considered that you might not be as bright as you believe yourself to be?

Your posts do confirm that we are living under tyrannical rule. If you did not already believe so my posts would not offend you.

They are not offensive, they show that you are not using common sense; if you were in the military as you claim, you wouldn't be running your mouth about a potential revolution which you map out your strategy. But if in fact you are going to lead or engage in a revolution your the man i want running it since it won't get past your keyboard. :grin:

Cletus

06-14-2016, 11:22 PM

They are not offensive, they show that you are not using common sense; if you were in the military as you claim, you wouldn't be running your mouth about a potential revolution which you map out your strategy. But if in fact you are going to lead or engage in a revolution your the man i want running it since it won't get past your keyboard. :grin:

Veritas has not said anything that is not already in the textbooks and manuals. The strategy is not a new one. It is a proven one that has been used time and again with great success by liberation movements all over the world, including our own American Revolution. Anyone who had any kind of formal training in insurgency or counter insurgency operations knows this stuff.

exotix

06-16-2016, 10:19 AM

'If I didn't sell Omar his guns, he would've bought them from another gun store'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUzXj5GXEU

hanger4

06-16-2016, 10:21 AM

'If I didn't sell Omar his guns, he would've bought them from another gun store'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUzXj5GXEU

Doubling down on stupid ??

exotix

06-16-2016, 10:24 AM

Doubling down on stupid ??I posted this vid at 10:19 ... you responded at 10:21 ... this is a 6 minute vid ...

How are you not stupid ... LOL

Peter1469

06-16-2016, 11:06 AM

lol

hanger4

06-16-2016, 03:08 PM

I posted this vid at 10:19 ... you responded at 10:21 ... this is a 6 minute vid ...

How are you not stupid ... LOL

Your lede;

Orlando Massacre ~ Gun Store owner blaming everyone but himself

MisterVeritis

06-16-2016, 03:13 PM

They are not offensive, they show that you are not using common sense; if you were in the military as you claim, you wouldn't be running your mouth about a potential revolution which you map out your strategy. But if in fact you are going to lead or engage in a revolution your the man i want running it since it won't get past your keyboard. :grin:
I am more confident today than yesterday that a rebellion is in the works.

I have also described the historical ways that successful revolutions have begun. I know this will be a surprise to you but the Army, at least, has studied revolts, rebellions, insurgencies, guerrilla warfare, and other small wars for quite some time. My comments will not come as a surprise to military professionals.

I cannot recall a single time when I claimed I would be running a rebellion. Can you?