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Captain Obvious
09-26-2012, 04:16 PM
Simple "yes" or "no", I don't think there is any in-between that carves out one action and approves others or singles out individuals because they don't use the "thanks" button.

I will also unsticky it after a while.

Cigar
09-26-2012, 08:35 PM
No, it's just a means of suppression

IGetItAlready
09-26-2012, 08:40 PM
Absolutely NOT!
FFS the other thread now has over 330 responses most of which are attempts to simply define what "trolling" is.
Enforce a no trolling rule and this board becomes a reflection of the mods' opinion and as such becomes utterly useless to all of us...including the mods.

GrumpyDog
09-26-2012, 08:45 PM
I say absolutely yes in some cases, and absolutely no, in other cases, depending on whether the moderator is a friend or foe of the offender in question.

IGetItAlready
09-26-2012, 08:51 PM
I say absolutely yes in some cases, and absolutely no, in other cases, depending on whether the moderator is a friend or foe of the offender in question.

And therein lies the problem as I'm sure was your intent to illustrate. :wink20:

Cigar
09-26-2012, 08:52 PM
Absolutely NOT!
FFS the other thread now has over 330 responses most of which are attempts to simply define what "trolling" is.
Enforce a no trolling rule and this board becomes a reflection of the mods' opinion and as such becomes utterly useless to all of us...including the mods.


Wow ... you're right ... do you Cook also? :)

IGetItAlready
09-26-2012, 08:58 PM
Wow ... you're right ... do you Cook also? :)

Like you wouldn't believe Ciggy! :)

KC
09-26-2012, 09:31 PM
Adding my vote to the pool of those cast for "no."

Conley
09-26-2012, 09:41 PM
:laugh: Look at those votes. Clearly there is voter fraud happening...how many of you had to show a photo id? I bet NONE of you. Shameful :angry:

IGetItAlready
09-26-2012, 09:49 PM
I told the lady I had already voted 17 times but she said that was okay and that she'd give me a pack of smokes if I'd vote just one more time. :afro:

Deadwood
09-26-2012, 10:24 PM
I told the lady I had already voted 17 times but she said that was okay and that she'd give me a pack of smokes if I'd vote just one more time. :afro:


I tried voting a second time to cancel out my original vote....

It wouldn't let me. This is totalitarianism! You bunch of communist fucks....wait...

You bunch of socialist.......ah, no....

You bunch of right-wing fascist pigs....I demand my right to vote as many times as I like......

Deadwood
09-26-2012, 10:26 PM
Now why would anyone want to ban trolls...

Come on, they're fun! If you know how to play it right you can make their head explode!

roadmaster
09-26-2012, 10:33 PM
Now why would anyone want to ban trolls...

Come on, they're fun! If you know how to play it right you can make their head explode! It depends on who they are. The three that got banned here were the ones that never debated only called names and their mission was to derail threads and threaten other members.

Deadwood
09-26-2012, 10:40 PM
It depends on who they are. The three that got banned here were the ones that never debated only called names and their mission was to derail threads and threaten other members.


Someone actually got banned from tPF????

Holy shit~! They must have been some kind of ugly, friendless, fuck off, freaked out, misfits....

roadmaster
09-26-2012, 10:50 PM
Someone actually got banned from tPF????

Holy shit~! They must have been some kind of ugly, friendless, fuck off, freaked out, misfits.... Very ugly, no one here compares to them.

GrassrootsConservative
09-26-2012, 11:19 PM
No. Everyone trolls sometime. As of now the votes are unanimous No 8-0.
Let's keep it this way. I'm a troll, reporting in.

Cedric
09-27-2012, 07:32 AM
All posters find chronic trolling by known characters very annoying, but only on the opposition side of things. One's own trolls are always somehow endearing characters with that spark of lively mischief that brings one to mind those cute and plucky 'Little Rascal' tykes of the ancient television show.

But there is a difference between trolling to agitate the opposition in general and in launching specific personal attacks against another poster. A healthy political forum stamps down hard on personal attacks whether they are being launched by someone on the Left or the Right. As long as responses are kept to the general rather than to the specific, where negative replies are concerned, there should not be a problem.

Bane
10-03-2012, 04:11 PM
Yes enforce rules against trolls.

don't create an anything goes forum because nothing will ever get discussed, only derailed and insults will fly.

there are 2 trolls here, that I know have been banned elsewhere for that exact reason.

Think about it like this:

your in a movie theater and 2 dumb ass people keep laughing, talking, & getting phone calls during the movie and ruining the movie for everyone else. Now everybody here is gonna tell me, y'all really gonna put up with that crap? Hell no your not. Your going to do 1 of 2 things:

1) either tell them to shut the hell up or get out
or
2) go get management to remove them.

Option 3: you get up and walk out and seek a refund.

nobody would tolerate that nonsense, so why would you tolerate a fool here who can't discuss a subject, but simply comes into a thread to derail it and run it into the ground? If you want "adult" discussions to take place and for this place to grow & get quality memebership, you have to take out the trash. Having this "anything goes" mentality isn't going to grow this place, it's gonna make it worse, until the good members throw their arms up and simple walk away and go elsewhere.

dont give idiots a voice, when what they need to do is be thrown into a corner until they can quit acting like babies and behave like adults.

roadmaster
10-03-2012, 05:27 PM
Someone actually got banned from tPF????

Holy shit~! They must have been some kind of ugly, friendless, fuck off, freaked out, misfits....

No you don’t understand. Trolls don’t bother me, but a mod and their were a few at another site that would sign my name (and others) to anonymous reputation buttons ( because you couldn’t tell then who it came from) rude insults and slimy remarks wasn’t funny. The way I found out and exposed them is when they sent it to someone they didn’t know was an internet friend and we were playing arguing. That’s how they ran off members. That would be like all of a sudden a person on my friends list getting a nasty remark signed by me saying @@@@ off ect. Something that is not in my nature to say. That person automatically thinks I am full of it. Get my drift? The person that owned the site had no idea what they were doing and why they lost so many people, ended up selling the site because it came a ghost town. One of the ones they banned did this, but many were involved.

I don't see this happening here, just saying I am glad he is not a member.

Akula
10-03-2012, 05:46 PM
It can't be done.
Everyone knows who are the agitators and who are (more or less) "regular", "normal" people.
All the trolls do is hit and run. They flood the board with all the DNC talking points of the day, ignore requests for citations or links because they don't have any...and when they get backed into a corner they run away to the next thread and resume the name calling and propaganda.

The way to handle it is the ignore button.
What's the saying?

"
Trying to reason with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon.
No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to shit on the board, knock over the pieces, and strut around absolutely convinced of his victory."

patrickt
10-05-2012, 05:48 AM
I'm not in favor of banning but I also don't want to be told to "play nice, now".

I wonder how many of the four who want trolling banned are trolls. Trolls never think they're trolls. It's those others.

Bane
10-05-2012, 11:13 AM
I'm not in favor of banning but I also don't want to be told to "play nice, now".

I wonder how many of the four who want trolling banned are trolls. Trolls never think they're trolls. It's those others.

I don't troll. But people like Cigar, truth matters, & Head of Joaquin are absolutely useless trolls on this site. Very seldom can they carry on a civilized conversation to any degree. Hell, Head of Joaquin has been banned at other sites for this very reason. Until this site takes control of the idiots, it's going to be a free for all with very little membership. Civilized people don't want to come to a place that is run like a brothel.

go to the Democrat/Republican sections, read the first 8-10 topics in each and see how often those 3 people actual discuss the topics presented. It's a joke.

I mean if the site wants to take it to the gutter by all means, it's their site. But if the intent of this site is to increase traffic and maintain an active audience, you can't continue to allow trolls to reign day after day. Nobody wants to sit and read idiots off topic, petty insults all day.

just sayin. Do what y'all want. When I feel the need to go into the gutter I will just come here to post.

roadmaster
10-05-2012, 05:01 PM
I don't troll. But people like Cigar, truth matters, & Head of Joaquin are absolutely useless trolls on this site. Very seldom can they carry on a civilized conversation to any degree. Hell, Head of Joaquin has been banned at other sites for this very reason. Until this site takes control of the idiots, it's going to be a free for all with very little membership. Civilized people don't want to come to a place that is run like a brothel.

go to the Democrat/Republican sections, read the first 8-10 topics in each and see how often those 3 people actual discuss the topics presented. It's a joke.

I mean if the site wants to take it to the gutter by all means, it's their site. But if the intent of this site is to increase traffic and maintain an active audience, you can't continue to allow trolls to reign day after day. Nobody wants to sit and read idiots off topic, petty insults all day.

just sayin. Do what y'all want. When I feel the need to go into the gutter I will just come here to post.

I understand what you are saying because it's hard to get like coin geeks to come if people are not debating. To be honest I am a coin geek too. Will have to disagree with you on Cigar. He does attempt to debate and is funny at times. No, I don't know him.

Peter1469
10-05-2012, 06:46 PM
HoJ is useless. Cigar tries at times.

URF8
10-05-2012, 09:00 PM
Adios gang.

roadmaster
10-05-2012, 09:07 PM
Adios gang.

Why?

oceanloverOH
10-05-2012, 09:13 PM
2 threads flounced.

URF8
10-05-2012, 09:30 PM
Why?

Cigar and I just don't get along. Best wishes.

Peter1469
10-05-2012, 09:32 PM
Safe travels.

Captain Obvious
10-05-2012, 09:57 PM
You can always use the ignore feature.

roadmaster
10-05-2012, 10:27 PM
Cigar and I just don't get along. Best wishes.

So you going to let him win? I think you should stick around.

GrumpyDog
10-05-2012, 10:56 PM
Whats Trolling?

Captain Obvious
10-05-2012, 11:06 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Trolling_drawing.jpg/300px-Trolling_drawing.jpg

Carygrant
10-06-2012, 12:50 AM
Now why would anyone want to ban trolls...

Come on, they're fun! If you know how to play it right you can make their head explode!


You can make your own head explode ? I look forward to the show .
With all of your practise , it should be a mind blower .

GrumpyDog
10-06-2012, 01:59 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Trolling_drawing.jpg/300px-Trolling_drawing.jpg

Does you has to have a boat?

truthmatters
10-06-2012, 08:33 AM
I vote no

Chris
10-06-2012, 08:38 AM
Does you has to have a boat?

It helps to catch the big ones...

http://i.snag.gy/sek3F.jpg

truthmatters
10-06-2012, 10:13 AM
It helps to reasure people they will be treated fairly no matter what their political beliefs are.

Chris
10-06-2012, 10:24 AM
Be reassured all are treated as fairly as is humanly possible.

truthmatters
10-06-2012, 10:26 AM
what does that mean?

Akula
10-06-2012, 10:47 AM
I'm starting to think there ought to be some kind of "no spamming" or "no derailing"rule...
Naturally, sometimes, one sentence replies are appropriate..even one word replies occasionally...but when people consistently, purposely try to derail a conversation or pretend confusion in order to sidetrack a discussion, there should be a procedure to deal with that....
It's a judgment call and up to the moderators..who are appointed by some random procedure according to who is friends with whom.....and THAT'S another issue, but there are too many agitators now that are skirting the rules just to be inflammatory and serve their egos and "needyness".

truthmatters
10-06-2012, 10:49 AM
I have not seen that problem at this site.can you give an example

Kabuki Joe
10-08-2012, 10:34 AM
No, it's just a means of suppression


...HAH!...coming from a "troll"...


Kabuki Joe

Kabuki Joe
10-08-2012, 10:42 AM
Now why would anyone want to ban trolls...

Come on, they're fun! If you know how to play it right you can make their head explode!


...I'm all for giving an opinion BUT there need to be limits...yes, I said limits...truthmatters intensionally disrupts and that needs to be done away with...just like cigar, his whole intension is to disrupt, not give an opinion...if you are wacky but still clear about wacky things, so be it, but to disrupt in the name of free speech should not be allowed...


Kabuki Joe

Kabuki Joe
10-08-2012, 10:46 AM
All posters find chronic trolling by known characters very annoying, but only on the opposition side of things. One's own trolls are always somehow endearing characters with that spark of lively mischief that brings one to mind those cute and plucky 'Little Rascal' tykes of the ancient television show.

But there is a difference between trolling to agitate the opposition in general and in launching specific personal attacks against another poster. A healthy political forum stamps down hard on personal attacks whether they are being launched by someone on the Left or the Right. As long as responses are kept to the general rather than to the specific, where negative replies are concerned, there should not be a problem.


...I dissagree...I can't stand some of the extreme muslim haters from my side but it is free speech isn't it?...even if it makes you look bad?...I think there is a big difference in discussing and/or promoting sensitive subjects and posting hate and nonsence...a big difference...


Kabuki Joe

Peter1469
10-08-2012, 10:47 AM
...I'm all for giving an opinion BUT there need to be limits...yes, I said limits...truthmatters intensionally disrupts and that needs to be done away with...just like cigar, his whole intension is to disrupt, not give an opinion...if you are wacky but still clear about wacky things, so be it, but to disrupt in the name of free speech should not be allowed...


Kabuki Joe

Truthmatters is completely insane and you should not make fun of her.... :grin:

Calypso Jones
10-08-2012, 10:59 AM
I have not seen that problem at this site.can you give an example

of course you don't dimwit.

truthmatters
10-08-2012, 11:58 AM
gee you guys really dont like people to bring you facts huh

truthmatters
10-08-2012, 11:59 AM
...I'm all for giving an opinion BUT there need to be limits...yes, I said limits...truthmatters intensionally disrupts and that needs to be done away with...just like cigar, his whole intension is to disrupt, not give an opinion...if you are wacky but still clear about wacky things, so be it, but to disrupt in the name of free speech should not be allowed...







Kabuki Joe



I give facts to back my assertions.

You are free to do the same.

Calypso Jones
10-08-2012, 12:35 PM
gee you guys really dont like people to bring you facts huh

fActs are fine. When are you going to post some.

Chris
10-08-2012, 06:50 PM
I give facts to back my assertions.

You are free to do the same.

Seems to me you talk about talking a lot, talk about giving facts, talk about giving proofs, talk talk talk--but never seem to get around to actually doing it.

Deadwood
10-08-2012, 07:13 PM
I have not seen that problem at this site.can you give an example

There's your example!

Larry Dickman
10-08-2012, 07:25 PM
I have not seen that problem at this site.can you give an example

1,000 plus idiotic "look at me, mommy" posts in one week. What the fuck, can't someone tell this gas bag to shut the fuck up? Pathetic.

head of joaquin
10-09-2012, 03:33 PM
I'm starting to think there ought to be some kind of "no spamming" or "no derailing"rule...
Naturally, sometimes, one sentence replies are appropriate..even one word replies occasionally...but when people consistently, purposely try to derail a conversation or pretend confusion in order to sidetrack a discussion, there should be a procedure to deal with that....
It's a judgment call and up to the moderators..who are appointed by some random procedure according to who is friends with whom.....and THAT'S another issue, but there are too many agitators now that are skirting the rules just to be inflammatory and serve their egos and "needyness".

Since conservatives mostly do nothing but derail and divert from the topic, that would be welcome.

Akula
10-09-2012, 08:00 PM
Since conservatives mostly do nothing but derail and divert from the topic, that would be welcome.

Who are the ones you think are most disruptive?

Deadwood
10-09-2012, 08:26 PM
Since conservatives mostly do nothing but derail and divert from the topic, that would be welcome.

Stop the presses! Hold everything!

Another, out of the blue, drive-by spam post by head of joke um.....


Nah, no rules or enforcement needed here. Shit, we need a good laugh now and again.

Wait....one day Head is going to post something that does not categorize an entire political movement in one sentence.


That day will come. I don't think I will be alive to see it, but some of you will.


Time Marches On!

Captain Obvious
10-09-2012, 08:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg92QpjRcJk

Deadwood
10-09-2012, 09:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHFxncb1gRY

head of joaquin
10-12-2012, 05:04 PM
Stop the presses! Hold everything!

Another, out of the blue, drive-by spam post by head of joke um.....


Nah, no rules or enforcement needed here. Shit, we need a good laugh now and again.

Wait....one day Head is going to post something that does not categorize an entire political movement in one sentence.


That day will come. I don't think I will be alive to see it, but some of you will.


Time Marches On!

You're a little fixated, aren't you?

Bane
10-15-2012, 01:42 PM
You're a little fixated, aren't you?

Fixated? Aren't you the one that walks into every thread and blames "teabaggers" for everything?....lol.

Yet ya call someone else fixated?....lol.

garyo
10-15-2012, 01:53 PM
Bravo!!!!

Bane
10-18-2012, 02:18 PM
As we sit here waiting for trolls to be banned, now we are getting physical violence threats from the trolls.

Guys, this place is gonna devolve into a totally useless debate forum if something is not done.

Chris
10-18-2012, 02:26 PM
As we sit here waiting for trolls to be banned, now we are getting physical violence threats from the trolls.

Guys, this place is gonna devolve into a totally useless debate forum if something is not done.

Please report any threats of violence. Use the http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/report-40b.png button to report.

Deadwood
10-18-2012, 02:35 PM
As we sit here waiting for trolls to be banned, now we are getting physical violence threats from the trolls.

Guys, this place is gonna devolve into a totally useless debate forum if something is not done.


Can you supply an example?

Please note that we are, or were talking about trolls with an overwhelming decision to let them troll.

There are specific rules, though -- http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/6236-The-Political-Forums-Revised-Rules-and-Regulations

The first of which is a clear ban on threats of any kind.

The distinction is significant and I can assure you if a threat is reported or detected, the member will be dealt with.

Ivan88
12-21-2012, 12:08 PM
Simple "yes" or "no", I don't think there is any in-between that carves out one action and approves others or singles out individuals because they don't use the "thanks" button.

I will also unsticky it after a while.

Yeh, me thinks they should start with Captain Finger.

Captain Obvious
12-21-2012, 06:16 PM
Day late and a dollar short - right on target, Ivan.