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The ACLU jumps out slamming the Collins Amendment. Telling Repubs and Once again slapping the Demos upside the head about Due Process.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which isn't exactly known for being a bastion of conservative thought, had some pretty harsh words (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2893104/2016-06-22-ACLU-Vote-Recommendation-on-Collins.pdf) for the Sen. Collins (R-ME) gun control amendment (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/06/22/the-susan-collins-gun-control-bill-is-a-nightmare-for-innocent-americans-n2182134): they "strongly urged" members of the Senate to vote against the amendment as the no-fly lists are vague and riddled with errors.
The ACLU strongly urges you to vote against the Collins Amendment because it uses the error-prone and unfair watchlist system, along with vague and overbroad terms, as a predicate for a proceeding to deny a firearms permit. The Collins Amendment relies on both the No Fly List, by codifying its criteria, and the Selectee List, by direct reference. Relying on these lists would open the door to arbitrary and discriminatory government action.
The Collins Amendment would further entrench a watchlist system that is rife with problems. As we have long cautioned, our nation’s watchlisting system is error-prone and unreliable because it uses vague and overbroad criteria and secret evidence to place individuals on blacklists without a meaningful process to correct government error and clear their names. The government's internal guidance for watchlists specifies that nominations to the master watchlist need not be based on “concrete facts,” and it permits placement on the master watchlist based on uncorroborated or even questionably reliable information.
When you've lost the ACLU, it's probably a good time to stop.....snip~
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/06/23/aclu-that-collins-gun-control-amendment-is-terrible-n2182636
Standing Wolf
06-24-2016, 12:05 PM
I used to belong to the ACLU, and many people would be very surprised how frequently either the national organization or local chapters are in complete agreement with what is generally considered to be the "conservative" side of some issues.
Cigar
06-24-2016, 12:09 PM
I used to belong to the ACLU, and many people would be very surprised how frequently either the national organization or local chapters are in complete agreement with what is generally considered to be the "conservative" side of some issues.
That's what happens when people get all their knowledge about other people from Fox News ... they begin to become "experts" :laugh:
decedent
06-24-2016, 12:10 PM
"They 'strongly urged' members of the Senate to vote against the amendment as the no-fly lists are vague and riddled with errors."
Yes, that's quite a "slam." Someone call the burn unit.
I used to belong to the ACLU, and many people would be very surprised how frequently either the national organization or local chapters are in complete agreement with what is generally considered to be the "conservative" side of some issues.
This was a surprising one, huh? How long do you think the Demos will ignore them this time?
That's what happens when people get all their knowledge about other people from Fox News ... they begin to become "experts" :laugh:
You will need to get better comeback lines from the Demo underground. Just sayin.
Next time try thinking of something on your own. :laugh:
Cigar
06-24-2016, 12:16 PM
"They 'strongly urged' members of the Senate to vote against the amendment as the no-fly lists are vague and riddled with errors."
Yes, that's quite a "slam." Someone call the burn unit.
One of those errors is, The FBI want to be able to conduct sting operations and they need more time to follow suspects
"They 'strongly urged' members of the Senate to vote against the amendment as the no-fly lists are vague and riddled with errors."
Yes, that's quite a "slam." Someone call the burn unit.
They have been slamming them since 2015. But yeah strongly urge......should they use a cattle prod? As Demos aren't to good at listening or hearing.
hanger4
06-24-2016, 12:31 PM
"They 'strongly urged' members of the Senate to vote against the amendment as the no-fly lists are vague and riddled with errors."
Yes, that's quite a "slam." Someone call the burn unit.
Due process, due process, due process rights. What part of.that can't you understand ??
Cigar
06-24-2016, 12:36 PM
Due process, due process, due process rights. What part of.that can't you understand ??
....unless it's one of those people ... then F'ck Due Process ... get a Rope
....unless it's one of those people ... then F'ck Due Process ... get a Rope
Cmon now....Hillary's IT guy Pagliano still wants his protection under Due Process. Otherwise he just might have to commit suicide.
No matter which colors of the rainbow you use. :laugh:
hanger4
06-24-2016, 12:46 PM
....unless it's one of those people ... then F'ck Due Process ... get a Rope
If you know it's one of 'those people' why haven't they been arrested ??
If you know it's one of 'those people' why haven't they been arrested ??
Now that I have been thinking about it.....maybe we should get rid of due Process like our resident lefties say. Then we can just put Hillary in Prison for a very long long.............................................. long time. :laugh:
Standing Wolf
06-24-2016, 04:10 PM
This was a surprising one, huh? How long do you think the Demos will ignore them this time?
There are what I refer to as "special interest liberals" who will never listen to anyone who isn't parroting their viewpoint. Jim Brady could come back from the dead and tell these people to knock it off with the silliness and it wouldn't phase them.
There are what I refer to as "special interest liberals" who will never listen to anyone who isn't parroting their viewpoint. Jim Brady could come back from the dead and tell these people to knock it off with the silliness and it wouldn't phase them.
Brady, the ACLU, and or Gawker.
Stop Traffic: Even Gawker Says Democrats Are Fighting Over A Useless Gun Control Bill......
Gawker might have angered both the political left and right with their stories, which finally caught up with them when they decided to release a sex tape (http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/25/gawker-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-lawsuit-nick-denton-appeal) featuring former professional wrestler Hulk Hogan. Hogan sued, he won a $100+ million judgment, and now the media company had to file for bankruptcy (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/06/10/goodbye-gawker-n2176552). Yet, as the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And on the latest Democratic gun control push, Gawker is right to say that the “no-fly, no-buy” bill is a total disaster. Moreover, it's a real waste of political capital on a “useless” bill (http://gawker.com/the-democrats-are-boldly-fighting-for-a-bad-stupid-bil-1782449026), but I won’t stop the trainwreck [Warning: it’s Gawker, so there’s some language]:
That certainly sounds like a solid principle on which to take a stand—terrorists shouldn’t have AR-15s! Meanwhile, most gun deaths in the United States are not caused by suspected terrorists armed with military-style semi-automatic rifles. The vast majority of gun deaths—suicides as well as homicides—are caused by handguns, and the majority of people firing those guns are not suspected terrorists (which invariably refers, in contemporary discourse, to Muslims, and no other groups or individuals dedicated to political violence).The no-fly list is a civil rights disaster by every conceivable standard. It is secret, it disproportionately affects Arab-Americans, it is error-prone, there is no due process or effective recourse for people placed on the list, and it constantly and relentlessly expands. As of 2014, the government had a master watchlist of 680,000 people, forty percent of whom had “no recognized terrorist group affiliation.” This is both an absurdly large number of people to arbitrarily target in gun control legislation, and far, far too few to have any meaningful effect on actual gun ownership, let alone gun violence.
Perhaps such a bill makes political sense as a sort of desperate attempt to get something through a conservative-dominated Congress. But if it is, as it appears to be, more of an effort to highlight the unpopular extremism of Republicans on gun issues, it is a stupid and counterproductive hill to theatrically die on. Almost any popular and previously debated gun control measure would have made a better symbolic lost cause. Democrats could be staging a sit-in in support of universal background checks* and waiting periods, nationally standard gun licensing and training requirements, and tougher restrictions on where and how guns are sold. All of those, or even any one of those, would have been more defensible both politically and morally. Instead House Democrats are going to the mat for a shitty, racist, useless bill......snip~
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/06/24/stop-traffic-even-gawker-finds-democratic-no-fly-no-buy-gun-control-push-a-useless-exercise-n2182397
waltky
08-18-2017, 11:26 PM
Looks like the skin-heads & neo-nazis are losing their legal support...
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ACLU Will No Longer Automatically Defend Free Speech For Groups With Firearms
8/18/2017 - The ACLU will no longer automatically defend free speech for groups that use firearms during protests, according to a statement released Thursday by the civil liberties group.
This declaration from the ACLU comes days after the Charlottesville rally, reported The Wall Street Journal. “It’s neither a blanket no or a blanket yes,” said Anthony Romero, the ACLU’s executive director, to The Wall Street Journal. “The events of Charlottesville require any judge, any police chief and any legal group to look at the facts of any white-supremacy protests with a much finer comb.” “If a protest group insists, ‘No, we want to be able to carry loaded firearms,’ well, we don’t have to represent them. They can find someone else.”
http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/shutterstock_628338206-e1493244462742.jpg
Romero argued that the decision would coalesce with the organization’s 2015 policy to support “reasonable” firearm regulation. The ACLU sued the D.C. metro system earlier in August for banning ads from PETA and Milo Yiannopoulos.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/18/aclu-will-no-longer-automatically-defend-free-speech-for-groups-with-firearms/
donttread
08-19-2017, 07:28 AM
The ACLU jumps out slamming the Collins Amendment. Telling Repubs and Once again slapping the Demos upside the head about Due Process.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which isn't exactly known for being a bastion of conservative thought, had some pretty harsh words (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2893104/2016-06-22-ACLU-Vote-Recommendation-on-Collins.pdf) for the Sen. Collins (R-ME) gun control amendment (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/06/22/the-susan-collins-gun-control-bill-is-a-nightmare-for-innocent-americans-n2182134): they "strongly urged" members of the Senate to vote against the amendment as the no-fly lists are vague and riddled with errors.
The ACLU strongly urges you to vote against the Collins Amendment because it uses the error-prone and unfair watchlist system, along with vague and overbroad terms, as a predicate for a proceeding to deny a firearms permit. The Collins Amendment relies on both the No Fly List, by codifying its criteria, and the Selectee List, by direct reference. Relying on these lists would open the door to arbitrary and discriminatory government action.
The Collins Amendment would further entrench a watchlist system that is rife with problems. As we have long cautioned, our nation’s watchlisting system is error-prone and unreliable because it uses vague and overbroad criteria and secret evidence to place individuals on blacklists without a meaningful process to correct government error and clear their names. The government's internal guidance for watchlists specifies that nominations to the master watchlist need not be based on “concrete facts,” and it permits placement on the master watchlist based on uncorroborated or even questionably reliable information.
When you've lost the ACLU, it's probably a good time to stop.....snip~
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/06/23/aclu-that-collins-gun-control-amendment-is-terrible-n2182636
Still the most common of gun homocides is one urban felon shooting another urban felon with a gun he cannot possess under current law. Oddly he reasons that if I'm going to committ murder I'm not afraid to break a gun law. Weird huh?
Therefre how is it that ultra libs think more gun laws could help when they cannot enforce those that already exist?
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