CBS Investigates Pro-Obama Polling Bias and Finds None

[Cedric]

What a shock, eh? One of the very outlets that essentially ignores all the bad news regarding Obama to focus on invented bad news regarding Romney, investigates the issue of pro-Obama bias in polling and finds -- Gasp! -- none whatsoever: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57520950/are-polls-biased-to-boost-obama/?tag=stack

Mind you this is after freely admitting that these companies are using 2008 base figures rather than post 2010 base figures to set their polling standards and after admitting that predominantly democrats are being polled. But there is no pro-Obama bias to see here folks. Now just move along.

In order to believe that Obama is sweeping Romney in all the swing states you first have to believe that Obama is going to receive the same huge turnouts at the voting booths by hysterically enthusiastic youths and minority voters as was the case when he was the massively over-hyped fad of the year rock star candidate of 2008, which the baseline settings of these polls are assuming. So in other words as far as these pro-Obama companies and media outlets are concerned the entire nation has been asleep these last four years of Obama's dismal presidential performance and have all continued to dream of meaningless Hope and Change campaign hoopla. That's possible of course . . . but unlikely.

But now I want to flip this flop to speak about Romney for a moment. The candidate is acting as if this known media bias is a shock to him. How can a candidate spend all that time, money, and effort from 2008 to today [two presidential primaries I mean] and then be utterly unprepared with viable counter strategies for the expected pro-Obama and anti-Romney tactics of two thirds of this nation's media and their in the tank for Obama polling companies?

Yet here Romney and his campaign is, seemingly unable to deal with that particular political reality. Again, I have no idea at this point who's going to be president after the November election. But it is becoming increasingly clear that Romney and his campaign organization had no methodology in mind for dealing with the same massive pro-Obama push by the media outlets and corrupt polling companies that also blatantly campaigned for Barack Obama back in 2008.

Every experienced political junkie right of center knew that immediately after the Democratic National Convention closed that the pro-Obama media would also immediately begin tearing into Romney for Obama's political benefit, and that's precisely what we watched happen. Yet Romney and his campaign staff was utterly unprepared with any viable counter tactics.

There should have been so many counter responses prepared and filed away that Romney could have simply opened a file cabinet drawer and began calmly handing the pro-Obama press its collective head in a basket. But from Romney and his campaign staff we got only this stunned bunny in-rushing-car-headlights response. WTF?

Heh-heh . . . I imagine that's what Newt Gingrich is saying to Romney in private. "WTF Romney? You want me to send you my file of viable responses to blatant media bias, you dumb ass?"

Sheesh!

[Stuck_In_California]

What a shock, eh?...........

For real.

Dick Morris perfectly laid out how the bias works on O'Reilly last night.

I am going to try and find a Youtube clip of what he said.

[Cedric]

I like Dick Morris. But his political predictions should be taken with a grain of salt as he generally goes with the best case scenarios. But once you slice away the upper quarter of his overly optimistic predictions he usually turns out to be more correct over all than most pundits. He was correct about the mid term 2010 elections returning the U.S. House of Representatives to Republicans and very nearly correct when he predicted that the Senate would also return to GOP control.

He simply miscalculated in his estimation regarding the true influence of the Tea Party movement and their actual political goals, failing to grasp that they were more interested in purging the legislative branch of RINOs than in gaining control of both houses.

[Stuck_In_California]

I like Dick Morris. But his political predictions should be taken with a grain of salt as he generally goes with the best case scenarios. But once you slice away the upper quarter of his overly optimistic predictions he usually turns out to be more correct over all than most pundits. He was correct about the mid term 2010 elections returning the U.S. House of Representatives to Republicans and very nearly correct when he predicted that the Senate would also return to GOP control.

He simply miscalculated in his estimation regarding the true influence of the Tea Party movement and their actual political goals, failing to grasp that they were more interested in purging the legislative branch of RINOs than in gaining control of both houses.

Perhaps that is all true, but on this polling issue he is correct.

I could not find the clip of him on O'Reilly but I found this: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/dick-morris-explains-polls-understate-romney-vote-agree/question-3191905/

[Canadianeye]

What a shock, eh? One of the very outlets that essentially ignores all the bad news regarding Obama to focus on invented bad news regarding Romney, investigates the issue of pro-Obama bias in polling and finds -- Gasp! -- none whatsoever: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57520950/are-polls-biased-to-boost-obama/?tag=stack

Mind you this is after freely admitting that these companies are using 2008 base figures rather than post 2010 base figures to set their polling standards and after admitting that predominantly democrats are being polled. But there is no pro-Obama bias to see here folks. Now just move along.

In order to believe that Obama is sweeping Romney in all the swing states you first have to believe that Obama is going to receive the same huge turnouts at the voting booths by hysterically enthusiastic youths and minority voters as was the case when he was the massively over-hyped fad of the year rock star candidate of 2008, which the baseline settings of these polls are assuming. So in other words as far as these pro-Obama companies and media outlets are concerned the entire nation has been asleep these last four years of Obama's dismal presidential performance and have all continued to dream of meaningless Hope and Change campaign hoopla. That's possible of course . . . but unlikely.

But now I want to flip this flop to speak about Romney for a moment. The candidate is acting as if this known media bias is a shock to him. How can a candidate spend all that time, money, and effort from 2008 to today [two presidential primaries I mean] and then be utterly unprepared with viable counter strategies for the expected pro-Obama and anti-Romney tactics of two thirds of this nation's media and their in the tank for Obama polling companies?

Yet here Romney and his campaign is, seemingly unable to deal with that particular political reality. Again, I have no idea at this point who's going to be president after the November election. But it is becoming increasingly clear that Romney and his campaign organization had no methodology in mind for dealing with the same massive pro-Obama push by the media outlets and corrupt polling companies that also blatantly campaigned for Barack Obama back in 2008.

Every experienced political junkie right of center knew that immediately after the Democratic National Convention closed that the pro-Obama media would also immediately begin tearing into Romney for Obama's political benefit, and that's precisely what we watched happen. Yet Romney and his campaign staff was utterly unprepared with any viable counter tactics.

There should have been so many counter responses prepared and filed away that Romney could have simply opened a file cabinet drawer and began calmly handing the pro-Obama press its collective head in a basket. But from Romney and his campaign staff we got only this stunned bunny in-rushing-car-headlights response. WTF?

Heh-heh . . . I imagine that's what Newt Gingrich is saying to Romney in private. "WTF Romney? You want me to send you my file of viable responses to blatant media bias, you dumb ass?"

Sheesh!

That's because there is no real way to deal with it. A certain amount of preparedness exists, but with the levels of propaganda being exhibited by the purchased left media the last few years, it is impossible to calibrate anything, beyond what many Cons have done. ie: refusing to talk to them in many situations as they can get away with, while simutaneously citing the soft "bias" term they must use, of the media.

They pulled up a dog on the hood of a car 25 years ago for christsake.

Romney has to talk to them. No options. In the purchased leftist world, they can cite that Romney is right about the 47% once, rail against him the other 23 hours and 57 minutes...and claim fair and balanced, bias free reporting of the facts. It's what they do, it's what they have become and the Romney campaign can have no chance of being prepared "enough" to escape their machinations.

None. And in saying that, people need to get refocused on being the actual "ride" to go vote. Aunts, uncles, grandmothers, grandfathers, sisters, brothers, moms and dads, friends, co-workers and congregation members. (I know millions of DVDs exposing Obama have been sent to all the swing states, but that is just not enough). If Obama wins in Nov, after the atrocious shit he has done to America this last 4 years...it won't be Romneys fault, nor the enemy we all know as the media.

[patrickt]

Color me shocked. CBS integrity is unquestioned.
http://times247.com/24-7-videos/cbs-alters-images-in-newscast

I think pretty much everyone knows they're a shill for the socialists and phrase "CBS integrity" is an oxymoron.

[Cedric]

Color me shocked. CBS integrity is unquestioned.
http://times247.com/24-7-videos/cbs-...es-in-newscast (http://times247.com/24-7-videos/cbs-alters-images-in-newscast)

I think pretty much everyone knows they're a shill for the socialists and phrase "CBS integrity" is an oxymoron.


Well the media is going to do what the media is going to do. It's up to Romney in how he responds on a daily basis to what he KNEW was going to be coming his way, and so far all he's done is demonstrate that this has blindsided him. Frankly, that's just not good enough.

[Shrug] But he's all we've got.

[Cedric]

Perhaps that is all true, but on this polling issue he is correct.

I could not find the clip of him on O'Reilly but I found this: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/dick-morris-explains-polls-understate-romney-vote-agree/question-3191905/

Thanks for that video segment. It pretty much confirms my own thinking on the undecided voters except that Morris is more generous to them than I am. I consider the last minute decisions of that sort of voter to be indicative of a sub-caliber mentality at best. But then sometimes I'm a bit unreasonable.

[Cedric]

That's because there is no real way to deal with it. A certain amount of preparedness exists, but with the levels of propaganda being exhibited by the purchased left media the last few years, it is impossible to calibrate anything, beyond what many Cons have done. ie: refusing to talk to them in many situations as they can get away with, while simutaneously citing the soft "bias" term they must use, of the media.

They pulled up a dog on the hood of a car 25 years ago for christsake.

Romney has to talk to them. No options. In the purchased leftist world, they can cite that Romney is right about the 47% once, rail against him the other 23 hours and 57 minutes...and claim fair and balanced, bias free reporting of the facts. It's what they do, it's what they have become and the Romney campaign can have no chance of being prepared "enough" to escape their machinations.

None. And in saying that, people need to get refocused on being the actual "ride" to go vote. Aunts, uncles, grandmothers, grandfathers, sisters, brothers, moms and dads, friends, co-workers and congregation members. (I know millions of DVDs exposing Obama have been sent to all the swing states, but that is just not enough). If Obama wins in Nov, after the atrocious shit he has done to America this last 4 years...it won't be Romneys fault, nor the enemy we all know as the media.

Oh I agree with you to a certain extent, but there is preparation exhibited in coolly and calmly fighting a rearguard action and then there is mistiming and misjudging between a selection of responses and shooting oneself in the foot. Romney seems to be helping the media fry him alive.

The incumbent president does not exclusively drive the narrative. By his very position as challenger Romney, too, can somewhat steer the resulting media narrative; but he's got to be much slicker than he has been to date. Perhaps he needs to call upon the expertise of Karl Rove in some capacity other than just fund raising for the RNC.

As far as Republicans and so forth go. They know that it's for all the marbles and I doubt that one could get them any more determined to vote.

[head of joaquin]

Like the facts are going to stop the baggers from continuing to rant about libral media conspiracies.

Words and facts mean nothing to conservatives

[MMC]

Like the facts are going to stop the baggers from continuing to rant about libral media conspiracies.

Words and facts mean nothing to conservatives


Nah.....they are not conspiracies when most independant sources point out just how Bias the MS Media is. Kinda like over that science issue of Autism. Seems it was the left writing about innoculations. To be presice.....it was the Progressives. Course hard to discuss that issue when half of one's own party even questions the validity of the issue. Do you think thats why the MS Media decided not to air anymore on the issue even tho CNN ran a Special on it?

[Canadianeye]

Oh I agree with you to a certain extent, but there is preparation exhibited in coolly and calmly fighting a rearguard action and then there is mistiming and misjudging between a selection of responses and shooting oneself in the foot. Romney seems to be helping the media fry him alive.

The incumbent president does not exclusively drive the narrative. By his very position as challenger Romney, too, can somewhat steer the resulting media narrative; but he's got to be much slicker than he has been to date. Perhaps he needs to call upon the expertise of Karl Rove in some capacity other than just fund raising for the RNC.

As far as Republicans and so forth go. They know that it's for all the marbles and I doubt that one could get them any more determined to vote.

Being determined to vote is one thing. Being the determining factor to physically bring people to the vote is another thing. Hell, if I didn't know I was going to be pretty tied up come Nov, I'd travel to some swing state, head to the bus staging areas of the union mutts...follow and video the same damn bus of people crossing state lines to vote again.

[Calypso Jones]

CBS is investigating, heh? well. That's reassuring. :rollseyes:

[Chris]

Like the facts are going to stop the baggers from continuing to rant about libral media conspiracies.

Words and facts mean nothing to conservatives

Liberal bias has been obvious since Goldberg, author of Bias, exposed it in 1996, and he was liberal. Where've you been? Why not address the topic instead of deflecting away from it?

[Peter1469]

Liberal bias has been obvious since Goldberg, author of Bias, exposed it in 1996, and he was liberal. Where've you been? Why not address the topic instead of deflecting away from it?


Tony the Tiger doesn't really read anything he comments on. He just types out the talking points he has been provided. A tool. He is like a hammer; except he is more one of those little size hammers that just aren't full sized....

[Stuck_In_California]

Like the facts are going to stop the baggers from continuing to rant about libral media conspiracies.

Words and facts mean nothing to conservatives

Here's a fact: You're a blithering idiot.

[coolwalker]

CBS...Communist Bullshit Society.

[coolwalker]

Tony the Tiger doesn't really read anything he comments on. He just types out the talking points he has been provided. A tool. He is like a hammer; except he is more one of those little size hammers that just aren't full sized....

Maybe he's Cigar's alter-ego.

[Deadwood]

"I'm shocked, completely shocked there is gambling in here..."

Casablanca

[Cigar]

Let's see ... what Polling organization stays in business giving bias information ... that's WRONG all the time ?

[coolwalker]

Let's see ... what Polling organization stays in business giving bias information ... that's WRONG all the time ?

It's all how you ask the question(s).

Example:
1. Do you like the color green?

2. Is there a color green?

Get it now dimwit?

[Cigar]

It's all how you ask the question(s).

Example:
1. Do you like the color green?

2. Is there a color green?

Get it now dimwit?

Not the way you like to get it ... http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/PH.gif ... Francis :laugh:

[coolwalker]

Not the way you like to get it ... http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/PH.gif ... Francis :laugh:

You make absolutely no sense at all.

[head of joaquin]

Soooooo, the bottomline is that progressives and their media savvy have outwitted the slowmoving conservatives AGAIN.

It just keeps happening.

[Peter1469]

http://www.economicnoise.com/2012/09/27/31708/

An explanation of the current polls and why they are biased.

[head of joaquin]

http://www.economicnoise.com/2012/09/27/31708/

An explanation of the current polls and why they are biased.

Poll analysis from some guys blog! A new low here.

Meanwhile, the whole this is hilarious. Nobody is oversampling Democrats or Republicans. The disparity in any particular poll is an artifact of using valid criteria such as registered voters or likely voters, etc.

In states where there are more registered Democrats, you will of course get more Democrats in the sample of registered voters. And vice versa. Different results occur if you are using likely voters as the criterion.

Pollsters generally used numerous scientifically tested criteria, but weigh them differently and disclose.

It would be weird if you did a poll and there were equal percentages of Democrats and Republicans. It would show some cooking of the books.

Another rightwing meme, debunked. But I really hope the teabaggers keep working this one. It just makes them look even more desperate and irrational.

[Peter1469]

Poll analysis from some guys blog! A new low here.

Meanwhile, the whole this is hilarious. Nobody is oversampling Democrats or Republicans. The disparity in any particular poll is an artifact of using valid criteria such as registered voters or likely voters, etc.

In states where there are more registered Democrats, you will of course get more Democrats in the sample of registered voters. And vice versa. Different results occur if you are using likely voters as the criterion.

Pollsters generally used numerous scientifically tested criteria, but weigh them differently and disclose.

It would be weird if you did a poll and there were equal percentages of Democrats and Republicans. It would show some cooking of the books.

Another rightwing meme, debunked. But I really hope the teabaggers keep working this one. It just makes them look even more desperate and irrational.

You don't have to troll in every post.

The current polling models are based off the 2008 elections - which were fairly unique in US history. No incumbent (including the VP) was running on the GOP side. The entire nation was tired of two wars. We just started a recession. Of course dem voter participation was up. These same polling models failed in 2010 (remember).

Try to play grown up while you are on this board.

You can do it!

[hanger4]

Come on guys give See-BS a break, after all they did invent "fake but accurate".

[Akula]

CBS investigates their ass and a hole in the ground. Can't discern a difference.

[hanger4]

Poll analysis from some guys blog! A new low here.

This bloger offers a AB, MBA and PhD degrees from Duke University, the University of Chicago and Syracuse University in finance and economics.

Whats you got ??

[Cedric]

http://www.economicnoise.com/2012/09/27/31708/

An explanation of the current polls and why they are biased.

Thanks for that link Peter. What's interesting is that even liberal political journalists 'splaining away 'apparent' left leaning biases in polling companies begin by admitting that the companies are indeed using 2008 determinants rather than post 2010 determinants to establish their base numbers crunching. It's just that first they admit it and then they call protesting Republicans crazy conspiracy nuts to dismiss the obscene and instilled leftwing numbers bias out of hand. I guess they assume that voters are too stupid to catch them doing that.

[Taxcutter]

CBS investigates claims of bias and finds none.

Wow! What a shocker! Dog bites man.

And DanRrather's TANG documents were genuine.

[coolwalker]

...but who investigates CBS?