Witness At Ted Cruz Hearing Accuses Congress’ Two Muslim Members -

[MMC]

:shocked: Did Ted Cruz just drop a bombshell on the Demo Party?



- Of Muslim Brotherhood Ties.....

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscalescalefit_630_noupscalescalef it_630_noupscalescalefit_630_noupscale/5772ba031800002500fa2de3.jpeg

In explosive testimony Tuesday, a witness before a Senate panel about Islamic terrorism accused the two Muslim members of Congress of having attended an event organized by the Muslim Brotherhood.

The charge was leveled by Chris Gaubatz, a “national security consultant” who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits, and it was directed at Reps. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and André Carson (D-Ind.). At the heart of his accusation is the attendance by those two members at a 2008 convention hosted by the Islamic Society of North America — a Muslim umbrella group, which Gaubatz claims is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood.

“I attended a convention in Columbus, Ohio, in 2008, organized by Muslim Brotherhood group, ISNA, and both the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons had recruitment and outreach booths,” Gaubatz said in his testimony. “Both Congressman Keith Ellison, MN, and Andre Carson, IN, spoke at the Muslim Brotherhood event.”

An aide to Ellison confirmed that he did attend the 2008 ISNA convention. He’s gone to a few of the group’s conventions, in fact. Carson’s office didn’t return a request for comment. But news reports show (http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2012/07/11/muslim-congressman-andre-carson-tied-to-unindicted-terror-co-conspirator-wants-u-s-schools-to-be-modeled-after-koranic-madrassas/#UfPCKkUQcz3Qzy8i.99) that both he and Carson led a discussion at the 2008 convention on how to mobilize Muslims politically. President Barack Obama has addressed the group as well, though only via a video recording.....snip~

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-muslim-brotherhood_us_5772b615e4b0352fed3e0372?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp

[Tahuyaman]

This is going to be a good one.

[MMC]

This is going to be a good one.

When BO peep gave them the speech. He told them they will always have a partner in him.

[Tahuyaman]

We've got a good portion of the country who seems to have this need to bend over and grab their ankles with it comes to dealing with Muslims.

Every time a Muslin committs an act of terrorism, we have to endure every elected official in the country preaching to us about the peaceful and tolerant message of Islam.

[MMC]

We've got a good portion of the country who seems to have this need to bend over and grab their ankles with it comes to dealing with Muslims.

Every time a Muslin committs an act of terrorism, we have to endure every elected official in the country preaching to us about the peaceful and tolerant message of Islam.


And this guy was a National Security Consultant.....so how do the Demos get around that.

[Tahuyaman]

And this guy was a National Security Consultant.....so how do the Demos get around that.


I'll tell you how. Liberals want to "transform" America. There are things about America which either make them angry or embarrass them. They believe the enemies of America hold those same beliefs and will want to cooperate with them if they had total control.

The left has more in common with our enemies than they do with those who want to preserve and protect the nation and our culture.

[maineman]

this guy "claims" that the ISNA is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. You guys buy it, of course. That's a given.

Here is what ISNA says about terrorism and extremism:

http://www.isna.net/isnas-position-on-terrorism-and-religious-extremism.html

[Common]

You believe what they declare they are for publically, is exactly what theyre real intentions are

[maineman]

You believe what they declare they are for publically[sic], is exactly what theyre[sic] real intentions are

and you believe just the opposite, with no evidence to support such a claim.....

oh wait.... because a “national security consultant” who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits.

That's good enough for you.

I'm not surprised.

[maineman]

are you as dubious about the mission statements of groups like, say, the Rotary Club, or Kiwanis, or Boy Scouts of America? Should we discount their (notice how you spell "their") publicly (notice how you spell "publicly") announced statements and automatically assume a more nefarious intent (I'll give you a moment to go look that one up)?

[maineman]

Isn't it time for Common to attack my "honesty"?

:rofl:

[Mac-7]

are you as dubious about the mission statements of groups like, say, the Rotary Club, or Kiwanis, or Boy Scouts of America? Should we discount their (notice how you spell "their") publicly (notice how you spell "publicly") announced statements and automatically assume a more nefarious intent (I'll give you a moment to go look that one up)?

Dont be a spelling nazi.

[Common]

Isn't it time for @Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) to attack my "honesty"?

:rofl:

Dont have too most of your posts speak for themselves. I deal with facts and links, you deal out of your ass

[MMC]

and you believe just the opposite, with no evidence to support such a claim.....

oh wait.... because a “national security consultant” who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits.

That's good enough for you.

I'm not surprised.

Oh wait, a National Security Consultant who was under oath before a Senate Committee. Bet that was a surprise to your lame ass too.

[MMC]

Isn't it time for @Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) to attack my "honesty"?

:rofl:


Nah, just for the stupid shit that comes out of your mouth. Or what you release from that dense ass grey filter.

[MMC]

Dont be a spelling nazi.

Well, a Bitchslap works. Just sayin. Make sure they see the visual perception.

[Truth Detector]

:shocked: Did Ted Cruz just drop a bombshell on the Demo Party?

- Of Muslim Brotherhood Ties.....

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscalescalefit_630_noupscalescalef it_630_noupscalescalefit_630_noupscale/5772ba031800002500fa2de3.jpeg

In explosive testimony Tuesday, a witness before a Senate panel about Islamic terrorism accused the two Muslim members of Congress of having attended an event organized by the Muslim Brotherhood.

The charge was leveled by Chris Gaubatz, a “national security consultant” who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits, and it was directed at Reps. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and André Carson (D-Ind.). At the heart of his accusation is the attendance by those two members at a 2008 convention hosted by the Islamic Society of North America — a Muslim umbrella group, which Gaubatz claims is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood.

“I attended a convention in Columbus, Ohio, in 2008, organized by Muslim Brotherhood group, ISNA, and both the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons had recruitment and outreach booths,” Gaubatz said in his testimony. “Both Congressman Keith Ellison, MN, and Andre Carson, IN, spoke at the Muslim Brotherhood event.”

An aide to Ellison confirmed that he did attend the 2008 ISNA convention. He’s gone to a few of the group’s conventions, in fact. Carson’s office didn’t return a request for comment. But news reports show (http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2012/07/11/muslim-congressman-andre-carson-tied-to-unindicted-terror-co-conspirator-wants-u-s-schools-to-be-modeled-after-koranic-madrassas/#UfPCKkUQcz3Qzy8i.99) that both he and Carson led a discussion at the 2008 convention on how to mobilize Muslims politically. President Barack Obama has addressed the group as well, though only via a video recording.....snip~

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-muslim-brotherhood_us_5772b615e4b0352fed3e0372?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp

No one can be surprised can they?

[Truth Detector]

this guy "claims" that the ISNA is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. You guys buy it, of course. That's a given.

Here is what ISNA says about terrorism and extremism:

http://www.isna.net/isnas-position-on-terrorism-and-religious-extremism.html

Yep; in gullible liberal leftist land, they won't believe ANYTHING Fox News says, but an Islamic web site, why it is gospel!! :biglaugh:

[Truth Detector]

Isn't it time for Common to attack my "honesty"?

:rofl:

He doesn't attack your "honesty"; he attacks your glaring DISHONESTY and HYPOCRISY. DERP

[MMC]

No one can be surprised can they?

I met Carson in Gary Ind. I gave his lame ass the mental check about what takes place should he become infected with Jihadi Syndrome.


He didn't like it much.....but I was lovin it like a Big Mac as he stood there squirming.

[MMC]

Yep; in gullible liberal leftist land, they won't believe ANYTHING Fox News says, but an Islamic web site, why it is gospel!! :biglaugh:

Maybe we can the Profanity Preacher.....to explain how Boy Scouts, Kiwanis and a Rotary Club are running around the planet killing people or how they believe in sharia law.

[maineman]

]Oh wait, a National Security Consultant who was under oath before a Senate Committee. Bet that was a surprise to your lame ass too.

and, under oath, he "claimed" that ISNA was a "Muslim Brotherhood Front group". No proof of that... just the opinion of some guy who who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits. The organization is a respected and credible one. If you'll notice, both the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons had recruitment and outreach booths at that same convention.

Do you have any corroborating evidence to prove this supposed Muslim Brotherhood linkage? I'm guessing not.

[maineman]

Maybe we can [ask] the Preacher.....to explain how Boy Scouts, Kiwanis and a Rotary Club are running around the planet killing people or how they believe in sharia law.

Maybe you could explain how ISNA is running around the planet killing anyone while you're at it?

[MMC]

Maybe you could explain how ISNA is running around the planet killing anyone while you're at it?


Is the ISNA made up of Muslims? Are Muslims that are Radicals running around and killing people across the planet.

Did your retardedness forget that point?

[MMC]

and, under oath, he "claimed" that ISNA was a "Muslim Brotherhood Front group". No proof of that... just the opinion of some guy who who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits. The organization is a respected and credible one. If you'll notice, both the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons had recruitment and outreach booths at that same convention.

Do you have any corroborating evidence to prove this supposed Muslim Brotherhood linkage? I'm guessing not.

I noticed none your ilk ran in talking about perjury, huh? What happened?

Do you know anything about the Muslim Brotherhood other than what you get from your Dimwits? I'm guessing you are like light on all there is about the Muslim Brotherhood. But then it should be expected of you lefties and your alleged smart powers.

[MMC]

That's Right Preacher Man.....go and look that shit up before bloviating and not knowing what you are talking about.

I'll even allow you the support of our resident illiberals to try and come and help you out.

Since you clearly don't know shit about the ISNA.

[maineman]

Is the ISNA made up of Muslims? Are Muslims that are Radicals running around and killing people across the planet.

Did your retardedness forget that point?

Are Westboro Baptist church members Christians? Do we condemn all of Christianity for the sins of some?

[MMC]

Are Westboro Baptist church members Christians? Do we condemn all of Christianity for the sins of some?

Who started ISNA again? Where did they come from? Who were the leaders again? Do you know anything.....anything at all about ISNA.

Here is a clue.....they were started in 1981 here in the US. By whom again?

[maineman]

I noticed none your ilk ran in talking about perjury, huh? What happened?

Do you know anything about the Muslim Brotherhood other than what you get from your Dimwits? I'm guessing you are like light on all there is about the Muslim Brotherhood. But then it should be expected of you lefties and your alleged smart powers.

He gave an opinion. Opinions are not perjury.

I asked you, "Do you have any corroborating evidence to prove this supposed Muslim Brotherhood linkage?"

That question remains unanswered.

And, as a matter of fact, I do know about the Muslim Brotherhood. I had dealings with them quite often during my stint as a UN Military Observer and Crisis Mediator. Again... THEY are not the issue. ISNA is. And it is an organization that does NOT support muslim extremism.

[maineman]

Who started ISNA again? Where did they come from? Who were the leaders again? Do you know anything.....anything at all about ISNA.

Here is a clue.....they were started in 1981 here in the US. By whom again?

Present-day ISNA was founded in 1982 through a joint effort of four organizations: The Muslim Students Association of the US and Canada (The MSA), Islamic Medical Association (IMA), the Association of Muslim Social Scientists (AMSS), and the Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers (AMSE) - to create a community-oriented organization due to the changing nature of the growing Muslim community.

no mention of the Muslim Brotherhood.....hmmmmmm.

[maineman]

ISNA invited Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, to speak before its 44th annual meeting (2007). Reform Judaism is the largest Jewish denomination in the US. Yoffie denounced "opportunists" who demonise Islam, and called for an end to racial profiling and legal discrimination against Muslim Americans. Yoffie drew frequent applause, and a standing ovation.

ISNA also invited Rick Warren to address the 2009 annual ISNA convention. Rabbis, evangelical and Catholic leaders were also present.

ISNA has participated in interfaith dialogue with the U.S. Bishops' Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs.

[maineman]

ISNA holds an annual national convention, typically on the Labor Day weekend in early September, which is generally regarded as the largest gathering of American Muslims in the United States. In the last few years, it has been held in Chicago, Illinois, with increasing numbers attending including people from outside of North America. The convention features Islamic lectures, discussions, debates, nasheeds, and Muslim comedy. A notable comedian who has repeatedly performed at ISNA is Azhar Usman. In 2012, the ISNA Convention was held in Washington, D.C. Deputy U.S. Attorney General, Thomas Perez, addressed the 2012 Convention, and other prominent representatives of the White House have attended in the past, including Valerie Jarrett, President Obama's Senior Advisor for Engagement and International Affairs in 2009.

again....no mention of the Muslim Brotherhood.

[MMC]

He gave an opinion. Opinions are not perjury.

I asked you, "Do you have any corroborating evidence to prove this supposed Muslim Brotherhood linkage?"

That question remains unanswered.

And, as a matter of fact, I do know about the Muslim Brotherhood. I had dealings with them quite often during my stint as a UN Military Observer and Crisis Mediator. Again... THEY are not the issue. ISNA is. And it is an organization that does NOT support muslim extremism.

Then you must not know jack shit about their mission statement and their origins. So it was like I said......Well I have had extensive dealings with them as Ranger and those that know them very well and Not as a UN Observer or Crisis Mediator.

So now.....Here is you link and next time know WTF you are talking about.




ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA (ISNA)


6555 S. County Rd. - 750 E.
Plainfield, IN
46168

110 Maryland Avenue NE - Suite #304
Washington, DC
20002



Phone :(317) 839-8157 / (202) 544-5656
Fax :(317) 839-1840
URL :http://www.isna.net





Origins and Mission

The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) was established (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/275.pdf) in July 1981 by U.S-based members of the Muslim Brotherhood (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6386) who also had a background as leaders (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/439.pdf#page=4) of the Muslim Students Association (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6175) (MSA). As author and terrorism expert Steven Emerson puts it (http://www.investigativeproject.org/1078/isnas-reform-hasnt-shed-it-of-radical-ideologues), ISNA “grew out of the Muslim Students Association, which ... was founded by Brotherhood members.” Indeed, Muslim Brothers would dominate (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/275.pdf) ISNA's leadership throughout its early years, when the Society was highly dependent upon Saudi funding (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf). ISNA's founding mission (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf) was “to advance the cause of Islam and serve Muslims in North America so as to enable them to adopt Islam as a complete way of life.”

Today ISNA is the largest Muslim organization on the continent. Its annual conferences routinely draw (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf) 30,000 to 40,000 attendees (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf), and its website receives some 2.6 million hits per month. In an effort (http://www.isna.net/accomplishments.html) “to be an exemplary and unifying Islamic organization in North America,” ISNA professes a commitment to:


“contributing to the betterment of the Muslim community and society at large”;
promoting “freedom”;
“eradicating prejudice”;
“establishing an open, pluralistic platform for presenting Islam”;
“supporting Muslim communities”;
“developing educational, social and outreach programs”; and
“fostering good relations with other religious communities, civic and service organizations, and all levels of government.”


ISNA's Earliest Roots

When ISNA was incorporated (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31500) on July 14, 1981 (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf), its official location was listed as 6555 South County Road 750 East, in Plainfield, Indiana. At the time, that same address was also used by MSA. Eventually, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6181) (HLF)—the U.S.-based financing wing of Hamas (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6204)—would share the address as well. The complex (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf) that first housed ISNA’s operations—built by the North American Islamic Trust (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7423) in the late 1970s and early 1980s—featured a $3.5 million mosque, an 80,000 volume library, and a research center. Funding for these facilities included a combined $21 million from the emir of Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood leaders Yusef Qaradawi (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=822) and Youssef Nada.

ISNA's three incorporators (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf) were listed as: (a) Mahmoud Rashdan, former secretary general of MSA; (b) Talat Sultan, who later served as president of the Islamic Circle of North America (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6380); and (c) Iqbal Unus (http://www.investigativeproject.org/1078/isnas-reform-hasnt-shed-it-of-radical-ideologues), a former member of MSA's General Secretariat who later served (http://www.islamophobiaconference.org/cv/BIO-Iqbal_UNUS.doc.) stints as president (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/275.pdf) of the Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7431) (a subsidiary of ISNA), dean of students at the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6179), headquarters director of the International Institute of Islamic Thought (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6180), secretary general of ISNA, and managing editor (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/275.pdf) of ISNA's Islamic Horizons magazine.

ISNA's Founders, Original Board Members, and Early Leaders......snip~

Also named in the Muslim Brotherhood document were:


Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7431)
Association of Muslim Social Scientists (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7418) (of North America)
Audio-Visual Center (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7424)
Baitul Mal Inc. (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7593)
Foundation for International Development (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7594)
International Institute of Islamic Thought (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6180)
Islamic Association for Palestine (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6215)
Islamic Book Service (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7420)
Islamic Centers Division (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7588)
Islamic Circle of North America (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6380)
Islamic Education Department (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7597)
Islamic Housing Cooperative (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7586)
Islamic Information Center (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7591) (of America)
Islamic Medical Association (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7419) (of North America)
Islamic Teaching Center (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7422)
ISNA Fiqh Committee (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7589) (now known as the Fiqh Council of North America (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7589))
ISNA Political Awareness Committee (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7596)
Malaysian Islamic Study Group (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7590)
Mercy International Association (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7592)
Muslim Arab Youth Association (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6422)
Muslim Businessmen Association (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7595)
Muslim Communities Association (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7585)
Muslim Students Association of the U.S. and Canada (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6175)
Muslim Youth of North America (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6705)
North American Islamic Trust (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7423)
Occupied Land Fund (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6181) (later known as the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6181))
United Association for Studies and Research (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6458)


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6178

[Common Sense]

Is the ISNA made up of Muslims? Are Muslims that are Radicals running around and killing people across the planet.

Did your retardedness forget that point?


I think this is the dumbest thing I've read here this morning.

You've basically said..."Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarians are Nazis."

[maineman]

your "source" for supposed Muslim Brotherhood connection is David Horowitz's Discover the Networks??????



:rofl:

that is too funny.

[Common Sense]

your "source" for supposed Muslim Brotherhood connection is David Horowitz's Discover the Networks??????



:rofl:

that is too funny.


This is the problem. People are exposed to such partisan bullshit on both sides, but shit like the Discover Networks, Freedom this and freedom that and Prager university only appeal to people who have these preconceived notions already. No right minded person would buy their bullshit. They read Muslim but see terrorist.

[MMC]

I think this is the dumbest thing I've read here this morning.

You've basically said..."Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarians are Nazis."

Then you should read whatever you type out and post up.....as truly you are one of the dumbest fucks on this site. As it was a response to his dumbass concept. Its like this simple simon.....you come with the dumbshit. I play with you like your a dumbshit.

So now..... not even you can save the preacher man and him not knowing what EVERYBODY who is somebody, knows about ISNA. Especially any that can go to their own fuckin site and read the shit in black and white.

Now.....think first next time. Before opening up that pie hole.

[MMC]

your "source" for supposed Muslim Brotherhood connection is David Horowitz's Discover the Networks??????



:rofl:

that is too funny.


Whats even funnier is your dumbass not following his links to their site. How you looking now besides like a dumbfuck. http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/lmfao.gif

Btw Tard.....those light blue words are all links. What does your lame ass have to say about all those links that back up the play and the the one that goes directly to ISNA's site.

[Common Sense]

Then you should read whatever you type out and post up.....as truly you are one of the dumbest fucks on this site. As it was a response to his dumbass concept. Its like this simple simon.....you come with the dumbshit. I play with you like your a dumbshit.

So now..... not even you can save the preacher man and him not knowing what EVERYBODY who is somebody, knows about ISNA. Especially any that can go to their own fuckin site and read the shit in black and white.

Now.....think first next time. Before opening up that pie hole.

LOL...yeah, you're a real tough guy. A real "expert". :rollseyes:

[MMC]

This is the problem. People are exposed to such partisan bull$#@! on both sides, but $#@! like the Discover Networks, Freedom this and freedom that and Prager university only appeal to people who have these preconceived notions already. No right minded person would buy their bull$#@!. They read Muslim but see terrorist.

Here is the bigger problem.... its when you leftists don't know how to do research, can't validate links and or references. "What" .....because I used a site that a had a ton of links. You think you can play on the shit.


You must be retarded to think I would allow a dumbshit to play on the link shit. I checked out the links and have other links from those links.

So don't bring the stupid shit......just come with the fuckin truth.

[Common Sense]

Lol...

[MMC]

LOL...yeah, you're a real tough guy. A real "expert". :rollseyes:

Nah I'm not tuff but thanks for validating why you tremble.....but you can deflect as to why your dumbasses didn't see the link to ISNA on Discover the Networks site.

Now that's funny. Pathetic for your dense grey matter. But still funny.

Really you should change your Screen name.

[MMC]

Lol...

Whats even funnier is how you don't know anything about the Muslim brotherhood. Yet want to try and talk about sites. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/pointlaugh.gif

[maineman]

those light blue words are all links. What do you have to say about all those links that back up the play and the the one that goes directly to ISNA's site.

ISNA's site makes no mention of the Muslim Brotherhood.

[maineman]

This is the problem. People are exposed to such partisan bullshit on both sides, but shit like the Discover Networks, Freedom this and freedom that and Prager university only appeal to people who have these preconceived notions already. No right minded person would buy their bullshit. They read Muslim but see terrorist.

you're exactly right. It makes no sense to try to reason with people who have willingly drunk the koolaid. True believers refuse to believe anything else. Trying to talk sense to them is like talking with the tarbaby.

[Common Sense]

Nah I'm not tuff but thanks for validating why you tremble.....but you can deflect as to why your dumbasses didn't see the link to ISNA on Discover the Networks site.

Now that's funny. Pathetic for your dense grey matter. But still funny.

Really you should change your Screen name.

You should go check your neighborhood for scary muslims.

[maineman]

Well I have had extensive dealings with them as Ranger and those that know them very well.


Where, as a ranger, did you ever have "extensive dealings" with the Muslim Brotherhood?

[MMC]

ISNA's site makes no mention of the Muslim Brotherhood.

No, its talking about its current issues and news letter they are putting out. They don't have the Mission Statement up anymore.

Do you deny that ISNA came from the MSA? Do you deny who its leaders were?

[maineman]

You should go check your neighborhood for scary muslims.

that's the point.... to yahoos like him, they're ALL scary!

:rofl:

[MMC]

You should go check your neighborhood for scary muslims.

Dude I was fighting the El Rukns, Mai Fai, the Mickey Cobras all back in the day. Don't talk about Muslims you don't know about. As those are the kind that scare your lily white ass.

[MMC]

that's the point.... to yahoos like him, they're ALL scary!

:rofl:


Yet with little bitches like you....you run from the truth. http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/smilies/funny.gif

[MMC]

Now back to the Point.....The Muslim Brotherhood started ISNA that which the two mopes tried to deny. Yet the preacher man tried to deny what is known in reality.

Proving once again that our resident illiberals will outright lie to try and derail a thread.

[maineman]

No, its talking about its current issues and news letter they are putting out. They don't have the Mission Statement up anymore.

of course they do:

http://www.isna.net/mission-and-vision.html


Do you deny that ISNA came from the MSA?

The MSA started at UIUC back in the 60's and some of its early membership included foreign students who were from the Muslim Brotherhood. That does not make the MSA or ISNA front organizations for the Muslim Brotherhood. Sorry.

[maineman]

unanswered.


Where, as a ranger, did you ever have "extensive dealings" with the Muslim Brotherhood?

[Common Sense]

Dude I was fighting the El Rukns, Mai Fai, the Mickey Cobras all back in the day. Don't talk about Muslims you don't know about. As those are the kind that scare your lily white ass.

Of course you were...

[MMC]

of course they do:

http://www.isna.net/mission-and-vision.html



The MSA started at UIUC back in the 60's and some of its early membership included foreign students who were from the Muslim Brotherhood. That does not make the MSA or ISNA front organizations for the Muslim Brotherhood. Sorry.

So you don't deny that they were started by the Muslim Brotherhood. That's good then you wont have to open up the PDF where it says established for that link.


Ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Extremism

Based on a mid-1980s investigation, the FBI concluded that the Muslim Brotherhood members who founded U.S.-based groups had risen to "leadership roles within NAIT [North American Islamic Trust (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7423)] and its related organizations," including ISNA, "which means they are in a position to direct the activities and support of Muslims in the U.S. for the Islamic Revolution." Expanding on this, a late-'80s FBI memo said (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/150.pdf):
“Within the organizational structure of NAIT, there have been numerous groups and individuals identified as being a part of a covert network of revolutionaries who have clearly indicated there (sic) support for the Islamic Revolution as advocated by the Ayatollah Khomeini and his government as well as other fanatical Islamic Shiite fundamentalist leaders in the Middle East. This faction of Muslims have declared war on the United States, Israel and any other country they deem as an enemy of Islam. The common bond between these various organizations is both religious and political with the underlying common goal being to further the holy war (Islamic Jihad).”
Declassified FBI memos (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) indicate that ISNA was identified as a Muslim Brotherhood front as early as 1987. “The entire organization is structured, controlled and funded by followers and supporters of the Islamic Revolution as advocated by the founders” of the Brotherhood in Egypt, said one source. In August 1988, that same source furnished the FBI with a private ISNA document (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) “clearly stat[ing] that ISNA has a political goal to exert influence on political decision making and legislation in North America that is contrary to their certification in their not-for-profit tax returns as filed both with the State of Indiana and with IRS.” And a 1988 U.S. Muslim Brotherhood document (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) bluntly identified ISNA as part of the “apparatus of the Brotherhood.”

Two other U.S. Muslim Brotherhood documents (from 1991 and 1992), however, indicated (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) that the Brotherhood's influence over ISNA had declined somewhat in the late 1980s and early '90s. Nonetheless, ISNA was explicitly named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6386) document—titled "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf)"—as one of the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded "organizations of our friends" that shared the common goal of destroying America and turning it into a Muslim nation. These "friends" were identified (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf) by the Brotherhood as groups that could help teach Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."....snip~ same link Discover the Networks

[MMC]

Of course you were...

Yeah, I did mention I was warring long before I joined Uncle Sam. But you wouldn't know about that. Like you didn't know those Muslims.

[MMC]

unanswered.


I can actually say I met Ahmed Elkadi, the Egyptian.

[MMC]

Yo Preacher man.....now tell us how the FBI got it wrong. Then tell us how Grassley and Baucus didn't get them listed as an American Muslim Organization that financed Terror. Tell us how that Judge got it wrong when he upheld the listing that ISNA took to court and lost.


* In December 2003, U.S. Senators Charles Grassley and Max Baucus of the Senate Committee on Finance listed ISNA (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/164) as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that “finance (http://books.google.com/books?id=5huSbIjpgV0C&pg=PA390&dq=wthr+and+“about+a+dozen+charities,+organization s+and+individuals+under+federal+scrutiny+for+possi ble+ties+to+terrorism+that+are+in+some+way+linked+ to+ISNA) terrorism and perpetuate violence.”

Key evidence (http://www.investigativeproject.org/725/us-brotherhoods-boomerang-effect) implicating ISNA included the following:

During a secret 1993 conference in Philadelphia, the Palestine Committee (PC)—an organizational structure that operated (http://archive.adl.org/NR/exeres/83323767-981C-4E4D-9B77-70DD604D2D75,DB7611A2-02CD-43AF-8147-649E26813571,frameless.htm) in the U.S. to support the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, and of which HLF was a part—proposed using ISNA as a cover for PC's activities.
Documents and wiretapped conversations showed that ISNA had helped support Hamas with checks deposited into the ISNA/NAIT account for the HLF, made payable to "the Palestinian Mujahadeen," the original name for the Hamas military wing. The funds were then transferred (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) to the Holy Land Foundation.
In 2004, ISNA secretary-general Sayyid Syeed acknowledged (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf) having donated money to HLF, calling it “innocent support for what the organization believed was a good cause.”
According (http://www.investigativeproject.org/357/isnas-lies-unchallenged-again) to the Investigative Project on Terrorism: “Exhibits entered into evidence … at the HLF trial include an expense voucher (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Marzook NAIT.pdf) from the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), an ISNA subsidiary (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/06/hlf_trial_update_muslim_brothe_1.php), made out for $10,000 in the name of Musa Abu Marzook (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=676), as well as a check (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Check NAIT Marzook.pdf) drawn on a NAIT account in the same amount made out to Marzook. Another check for $10,000 (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Check NAIT Nadia Elashi.pdf) on the same account was made out to Marzook's wife, Nadia Elashi (http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2002/December/02_crm_734.htm). Another check for $30,000 (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Check NAIT Islamic Univ Gaza.pdf) was made out to the Islamic University of Gaza (and has Shukri Abu Baker/OLF written on the memo line), a school long known to be controlled by HAMAS (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1175854,00.html), and which counted such notables as former HAMAS leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantissi (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9811/) and current HAMAS leader Dr. Mahmoud Al-Zahar (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1195592,00.html) as professors, and the recently deposed HAMAS Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2538) is a former dean of the University (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9811/).”

In response to the government's charges, ISNA in the fall of 2007 issued a statement (http://www.isna.net/articles/Press-Releases/ISLAMIC-SOCIETY-OF-NORTH-AMERICA-HLF-VERDICT-PRESS-STATEMENT.aspx) asserting that it "never was, and is not now, affiliated with or influenced by any international organizations including the Muslim Brotherhood."

In a June 2008 brief filed on their behalf by the American Civil Liberties Union (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6145), ISNA and its related financial arm, the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), petitioned (http://www.investigativeproject.org/725/us-brotherhoods-boomerang-effect) U.S. District Judge Jorge A. Solis to order that their names be removed from the list of co-conspirators in the HLF trial. The prosecutors (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/623.pdf), in turn, cited (http://www.investigativeproject.org/725/us-brotherhoods-boomerang-effect) nearly two dozen exhibits establishing “both ISNA's and NAIT's intimate relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Palestine Committee, and the defendants in this case.”

In July 2008, ISNA's lawyers conceded (http://www.investigativeproject.org/735/emerson-exposes-radical-ties-of-state-department-outreach) that their organization, through its affiliate NAIT, had given (http://www.investigativeproject.org/732/isna-admits-hamas-ties) financial support to Hamas leader Mousa Abu Marzook. Their defense was that documentary evidence of those ties dated back to the late 1980s and early 1990s, before the U.S. government had officially designated Hamas as a terrorist organization.

On July 1, 2009 (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna), Judge Solis upheld (http://media.radicalislam.org/misc/pdf/43380629-2009-order-on-Holy-Land-Foundation-unindicted-coconspirator-list.pdf) ISNA’s designation as an unindicted co-conspirator, ruling (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1110/Judges_ruling_on_Islamic_groups_as_unindicted_coco nspirators_made_public.html?showall) that the government had “produced (http://frontpagemag.com/2011/ryan-mauro/imam-rauf’s-extremist-speaking-engagement/print/) ample evidence” linking the group to Hamas and thereby justifying the designation.....snip~ same link.


Oh, and note all those links you can't get around. Can't debunk.....and can't lie about it anymore. Can't play with. What Happened?

[Tahuyaman]

this guy "claims" that the ISNA is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. You guys buy it, of course. That's a given.

Here is what ISNA says about terrorism and extremism:

http://www.isna.net/isnas-position-on-terrorism-and-religious-extremism.html


Did you read your link?

[Truth Detector]

Are Westboro Baptist church members Christians? Do we condemn all of Christianity for the sins of some?

Why yes, the liberal left condemns Christians all the time; sometimes marching them off to the gulag if they don't subjugate their religious beliefs to a gay agenda.

[Subdermal]

this guy "claims" that the ISNA is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. You guys buy it, of course. That's a given.

Here is what ISNA says about terrorism and extremism:

http://www.isna.net/isnas-position-on-terrorism-and-religious-extremism.html

Next you'll be quoting Kim Jong Un about what he says about the freedoms of his people.

[Subdermal]

and you believe just the opposite, with no evidence to support such a claim.....

oh wait.... because a “national security consultant” who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits.

That's good enough for you.

I'm not surprised.

And you believe their words, with no evidence other than their words. You are different...how? It would seem that the National Security Consultant has more credibility than do you.

[Truth Detector]

Fascinating; when someone criticizes Muslims the forum leftTards run in to desperately defend their faith; Christians.....meh, not so much. They would just assume marching them off to jail for not subjugating themselves to the gay agenda.

[MMC]

Did you read your link?

* In May 2007, ISNA-Canada held (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31500) a convention titled “Shaping a Canadian Muslim Identity.” The event featured (http://www.isnacanada.com/isna/Newsletter/review.html) a speech by Tariq Ramadan (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1884) and was sponsored (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31500) by Human Concern International, a “charity” that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service has repeatedly identified (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2008/06/24/5974316-cp.html) as a front for al Qaeda......snip~


What was funny was these two mopes trying to crap up the links that Discover the Networks had up. Including from the Terrorism Expert, Emerson.


In short, ISNA's denials regarding its own extremism ring hollow. As terrorism expert Steven Emerson puts it, ISNA:


“is a radical group hiding (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/tiny_mce/“is a radical group hiding under a false veneer of moderation”) under a false veneer of moderation”;
“convenes annual conferences (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={67D724A7-1882-420D-92BE-82AF7A0B00CA}) where Islamist militants have been given a platform to incite violence and promote hatred”;
has held fundraisers for terrorists such as Hamas (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6204) leader Mousa Abu Marzook (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=676); and
has condemned the U.S. government’s post-9/11 seizure of Hamas’s and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6448)’s financial assets.

“I think ISNA has been an umbrella,” says Emerson (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:w1dZs-D2M5kJ:www.campus-watch.org/article/id/2773+), “[and] also a promoter of groups that have been involved in terrorism. I am not going to accuse the ISNA of being directly involved in terrorism. I will say ISNA has sponsored extremists, racists, people who call for Jihad against the United States.”

Along the same lines, the International Assessment and Strategy Center arrives at this conclusion (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf):
“From Al-Arian, to KindHearts, to terrorism itself, ISNA has publicly distanced itself from extremists only when there was no other choice. As one of the largest Muslim American organizations in the United States, its failure to strongly oppose terrorism is inexcusable, but not particularly surprising when one considers the organization in greater depth. ISNA’s history and past and present leadership are characterized by a long-standing relationship and connection with extremist groups and fundamentalist ideology. It has taken no decisive actions toward reform, such as purging its leadership of those members who have been most clearly linked with extremist views. Ultimately, the weight of evidence pointing toward ISNA’s extremist nature is too great to be explained away by coincidence, circumstance, or ignorance. It must be held accountable for its harmful influence, and certainly does not merit its status as a 'moderate' partner of the State Department on the increasingly crucial area of relations with the Muslim community.”....snip~

[Subdermal]

Isn't it time for @Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) to attack my "honesty"?

:rofl:

There is nothing to attack.

What Common does - along with just about everyone else who engages you - is point out your dishonesty.

[Subdermal]

So you don't deny that they were started by the Muslim Brotherhood. That's good then you wont have to open up the PDF where it says established for that link.


Ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Extremism

Based on a mid-1980s investigation, the FBI concluded that the Muslim Brotherhood members who founded U.S.-based groups had risen to "leadership roles within NAIT [North American Islamic Trust (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7423)] and its related organizations," including ISNA, "which means they are in a position to direct the activities and support of Muslims in the U.S. for the Islamic Revolution." Expanding on this, a late-'80s FBI memo said (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/150.pdf):
“Within the organizational structure of NAIT, there have been numerous groups and individuals identified as being a part of a covert network of revolutionaries who have clearly indicated there (sic) support for the Islamic Revolution as advocated by the Ayatollah Khomeini and his government as well as other fanatical Islamic Shiite fundamentalist leaders in the Middle East. This faction of Muslims have declared war on the United States, Israel and any other country they deem as an enemy of Islam. The common bond between these various organizations is both religious and political with the underlying common goal being to further the holy war (Islamic Jihad).”

Declassified FBI memos (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) indicate that ISNA was identified as a Muslim Brotherhood front as early as 1987. “The entire organization is structured, controlled and funded by followers and supporters of the Islamic Revolution as advocated by the founders” of the Brotherhood in Egypt, said one source. In August 1988, that same source furnished the FBI with a private ISNA document (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) “clearly stat[ing] that ISNA has a political goal to exert influence on political decision making and legislation in North America that is contrary to their certification in their not-for-profit tax returns as filed both with the State of Indiana and with IRS.” And a 1988 U.S. Muslim Brotherhood document (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) bluntly identified ISNA as part of the “apparatus of the Brotherhood.”

Two other U.S. Muslim Brotherhood documents (from 1991 and 1992), however, indicated (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) that the Brotherhood's influence over ISNA had declined somewhat in the late 1980s and early '90s. Nonetheless, ISNA was explicitly named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6386) document—titled "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf)"—as one of the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded "organizations of our friends" that shared the common goal of destroying America and turning it into a Muslim nation. These "friends" were identified (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf) by the Brotherhood as groups that could help teach Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."....snip~ same link Discover the Networks

Linked with footnotes. Documented and compelling argument.

The leftists have no suitable response.

[Subdermal]

Yo Preacher man.....now tell us how the FBI got it wrong. Then tell us how Grassley and Baucus didn't get them listed as an American Muslim Organization that financed Terror. Tell us how that Judge got it wrong when he upheld the listing that ISNA took to court and lost.


* In December 2003, U.S. Senators Charles Grassley and Max Baucus of the Senate Committee on Finance listed ISNA (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/164) as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that “finance (http://books.google.com/books?id=5huSbIjpgV0C&pg=PA390&dq=wthr+and+“about+a+dozen+charities,+organization s+and+individuals+under+federal+scrutiny+for+possi ble+ties+to+terrorism+that+are+in+some+way+linked+ to+ISNA) terrorism and perpetuate violence.”

Key evidence (http://www.investigativeproject.org/725/us-brotherhoods-boomerang-effect) implicating ISNA included the following:

During a secret 1993 conference in Philadelphia, the Palestine Committee (PC)—an organizational structure that operated (http://archive.adl.org/NR/exeres/83323767-981C-4E4D-9B77-70DD604D2D75,DB7611A2-02CD-43AF-8147-649E26813571,frameless.htm) in the U.S. to support the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, and of which HLF was a part—proposed using ISNA as a cover for PC's activities.
Documents and wiretapped conversations showed that ISNA had helped support Hamas with checks deposited into the ISNA/NAIT account for the HLF, made payable to "the Palestinian Mujahadeen," the original name for the Hamas military wing. The funds were then transferred (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna) to the Holy Land Foundation.
In 2004, ISNA secretary-general Sayyid Syeed acknowledged (http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080127_Extremism_and_ISNA.pdf) having donated money to HLF, calling it “innocent support for what the organization believed was a good cause.”
According (http://www.investigativeproject.org/357/isnas-lies-unchallenged-again) to the Investigative Project on Terrorism: “Exhibits entered into evidence … at the HLF trial include an expense voucher (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Marzook NAIT.pdf) from the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), an ISNA subsidiary (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/06/hlf_trial_update_muslim_brothe_1.php), made out for $10,000 in the name of Musa Abu Marzook (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=676), as well as a check (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Check NAIT Marzook.pdf) drawn on a NAIT account in the same amount made out to Marzook. Another check for $10,000 (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Check NAIT Nadia Elashi.pdf) on the same account was made out to Marzook's wife, Nadia Elashi (http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2002/December/02_crm_734.htm). Another check for $30,000 (http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/Check NAIT Islamic Univ Gaza.pdf) was made out to the Islamic University of Gaza (and has Shukri Abu Baker/OLF written on the memo line), a school long known to be controlled by HAMAS (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1175854,00.html), and which counted such notables as former HAMAS leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantissi (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9811/) and current HAMAS leader Dr. Mahmoud Al-Zahar (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1195592,00.html) as professors, and the recently deposed HAMAS Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2538) is a former dean of the University (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9811/).”
In response to the government's charges, ISNA in the fall of 2007 issued a statement (http://www.isna.net/articles/Press-Releases/ISLAMIC-SOCIETY-OF-NORTH-AMERICA-HLF-VERDICT-PRESS-STATEMENT.aspx) asserting that it "never was, and is not now, affiliated with or influenced by any international organizations including the Muslim Brotherhood."

In a June 2008 brief filed on their behalf by the American Civil Liberties Union (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6145), ISNA and its related financial arm, the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), petitioned (http://www.investigativeproject.org/725/us-brotherhoods-boomerang-effect) U.S. District Judge Jorge A. Solis to order that their names be removed from the list of co-conspirators in the HLF trial. The prosecutors (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/623.pdf), in turn, cited (http://www.investigativeproject.org/725/us-brotherhoods-boomerang-effect) nearly two dozen exhibits establishing “both ISNA's and NAIT's intimate relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Palestine Committee, and the defendants in this case.”

In July 2008, ISNA's lawyers conceded (http://www.investigativeproject.org/735/emerson-exposes-radical-ties-of-state-department-outreach) that their organization, through its affiliate NAIT, had given (http://www.investigativeproject.org/732/isna-admits-hamas-ties) financial support to Hamas leader Mousa Abu Marzook. Their defense was that documentary evidence of those ties dated back to the late 1980s and early 1990s, before the U.S. government had officially designated Hamas as a terrorist organization.

On July 1, 2009 (http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-society-north-america-isna), Judge Solis upheld (http://media.radicalislam.org/misc/pdf/43380629-2009-order-on-Holy-Land-Foundation-unindicted-coconspirator-list.pdf) ISNA’s designation as an unindicted co-conspirator, ruling (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1110/Judges_ruling_on_Islamic_groups_as_unindicted_coco nspirators_made_public.html?showall) that the government had “produced (http://frontpagemag.com/2011/ryan-mauro/imam-rauf’s-extremist-speaking-engagement/print/) ample evidence” linking the group to Hamas and thereby justifying the designation.....snip~ same link.


Oh, and note all those links you can't get around. Can't debunk.....and can't lie about it anymore. Can't play with. What Happened?

Linked to footnotes. Documented and compelling argument.

The leftists - again - have nothing.

[MMC]

And you believe their words, with no evidence other than their words. You are different...how? It would seem that the National Security Consultant has more credibility than do you.

He says he was a UN Observer and Crisis Mediator, plus the Profanity Preacher, he was Ex military, and he thought he knew something about the MB and ISNA.


Actually the Security Consultant.....knew for a fact that ISNA was a front for the MB. Of course, all those sitting on the Senate committee do to. Knew their history.....knew what the US had branded them. Knew they lost in the court.

Also I am willing to bet.....that even the Fact Checkers would side with Discover the Networks on all those referenced and validated links.

I was just happy they were all in one place and not have to deal with hrs of searching just to show these mopes as fools.

[MMC]

Fascinating; when someone criticizes Muslims the forum leftTards run in to desperately defend their faith; Christians.....meh, not so much. They would just assume marching them off to jail for not subjugating themselves to the gay agenda.

Like Tahu said it should have been fun.....All you need do is mention Muslims.

Even funnier was CS trying to act like I wasn't fighting Muslims in banging Chicago before I joined Uncle Sam. While mentioning I volunteered at 16. Of course he didn't get that point about me still being around after all this time.

Although, I don't answer the door at Halloween Time. Old Habit you might say.

ISNA has no business.....working with the State Dept. The only reason these mopes thought they could jump. Was due to the peep speaking to ISNA. Which was a dumbass move.

[Tahuyaman]

There is nothing to attack.

What @Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) does - along with just about everyone else who engages you - is point out your dishonesty.


Absolutely. One can't attack something which doesn't exist.

[MMC]

Absolutely. One can't attack something which doesn't exist.

Cruz needs to go on the attack about ISNA working with the State Dept. Oh and I would check on them to see if they or their affiliates are Hillary donors. Or Clinton Foundation donors.

If any of these groups are giving money to Hillary. She needs to be fronted out to the American people over it.

[MMC]

Here was BO peeps patheticness over ISNA. :wink:



President Obama Praises ISNA

In September 2013, President Barack Obama praised (http://libertyalliance.com/2013/09/obama-gives-big-kudos-muslim-brotherhood-connected-isna/) ISNA for having long "upheld the proud legacy of American Muslims' contributions to our national fabric," and for its commitment to "the vision that this country has always championed: that everyone deserves a chance to make their mark on our American story, no matter who you are, where you come from, or how you pray." Moreover, Obama said that:

he was "especially grateful for the work ISNA has done to advance interfaith understanding and cooperation";
his administration was "proud to be [ISNA's] partner in our shared efforts to promote economic opportunity, accessible health care, and affordable education in Muslim communities throughout our country"; and
he was thankful for ISNA's "tireless advocacy and ... commitment to an America that realizes the full potential of all its people."


ISNA Canada Affiliate Loses Its Charitable Status

On September 20, 2013, the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) -- which is that country's equivalent of the Internal Revenue Service -- announced (http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/canada-dumps-obamas-favorite-terror-funding-charity/) that it had revoked the charitable status of the ISNA Development Foundation (IDF), which operates (http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/isna-canada-charity-involved-in-another-controversy) out of ISNA Canada's headquarters in Mississauga. The revocation came after a CRA audit of the IDF's books (covering the period of January 1, 2007 to December 31, 2009) had produced evidence linking the IDF to Pakistani terrorist groups.

Specifically, the CRA's 71-page “letter of revocation,” complete with flow charts, detailed funding transactions between the IDF and the Kashmiri Canadian Council/Kashmiri Relief Fund of Canada (KCC/KRFC), a group which the CRA categorized as a non-qualified donee under Canada’s Income Tax Act. The KCC/KRFC, in turn, sent (http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/canada-dumps-obamas-favorite-terror-funding-charity/) the money that it received from IDF to the Pakistan-based Relief ISNA Development for Kashmiri Muslims (ROKM), the charitable arm of the Jamaat-e-Islami (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7486) -- a political group that contests the legitimacy of the Indian government’s control over the state of Kashmir, to the point of advocating secession. ROKM’s armed wing, the Hizbul Mujahideen, is considered (http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/canada-dumps-obamas-favorite-terror-funding-charity/) a terrorist organization by both the Council of the European Union and the Government of India. In total, the IDF disbursed more than $280,000 to ROKM, either directly or via KCC/KRFC......snip~

[Adelaide]

Knock off personal attacks and insults and stick to the topic.

[maineman]

There is nothing to attack.

What Common does - along with just about everyone else who engages you - is point out your dishonesty.

It is clear that you do not even know the meaning of the word.

[MMC]

Good news with an update. Seems Cruz has set out BO Peep out going all the way back to 2009 Once the peep got into office. See there is always some good out there. Not to mention.....Cruz made Dick Durbin STFU and look like a dipshit.


Cruz Hearing Exposes the Obama Admin’s History of Purging References to Islamic Terror.....

When Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) suggested we are still trying to “make sense” of the Orlando terror attack at Tuesday’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Islamic terrorism, he all but proved Chairman Ted Cruz’s point – political correctness is jeopardizing our national security. One is only still trying to “make sense” of Orlando if one ignores the killer’s pledge to ISIS terrorism, the Texas senator insisted.

“We cannot combat and defeat radical Islamic terrorism without acknowledging it exists and directing our resources to stopping it,” Cruz said in his opening remarks. “And an Orwellian doublethink that seeks to excerpt any reference to it, as the Administration did to the president of France, or erase pledges of allegiance to ISIS, as the administration did with the Orlando terrorist, is counterproductive to keeping this country safe.”

In another example of the administration's ability to make key words disappear, a 2013 Judicial Watch report revealed that the FBI scrubbed (http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/JWSRGovtPurgeAndActiveMeasures5Dec2013.pdf) its law enforcement training material of any language that might be deemed "offensive" to Muslims. Per those guidelines, hundreds of references to "Muslim," "Islam" or "jihad" were removed from the 2004 9/11 commission report.

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The witnesses provided more evidence to corroborate these findings. Mr. Philip Haney, a retired Customs and Border Protection Officer for the Department of Homeland Security, revealed that the CIA has scrubbed more than 800 law enforcement records that were almost all connected to the Muslim brotherhood.

The first “great purge,” he said, was in 2009. Yet, in 2012 they didn’t just modify the records, they eliminated them out of the system, which, he noted, bypasses security protocol in Homeland Security. Why does it matter? Because of San Bernardino. If the department hadn’t edited its records, perhaps they could have caught the San Bernardino terrorist who killed 14 people at a Department of Public Health training event, Haney insinuated.

As Cruz continued to press Khera, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) murmured his disapproval. The chairman was not showing “courtesy” to the witness, Durbin said, which was greeted with some applause. Cruz strongly responded that they are not showing “courtesy” to victims of terrorism, which was greeted with even louder applause......snip~

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/06/29/cruz-leads-hearing-exposing-the-obama-admins-willful-blindness-to-islamic-terror-n2185003

[MMC]

It is clear that you do not even know the meaning of the word.

Evidently you don't either.....which is why you tried to play on your lame excuse about the link. Which ended up showing just how woefully inadequate you were and are over this issue.

Now that you got your ass handed to you in this thread. Don't even think about trying to play mope.

[birddog]

are you as dubious about the mission statements of groups like, say, the Rotary Club, or Kiwanis, or Boy Scouts of America? Should we discount their (notice how you spell "their") publicly (notice how you spell "publicly") announced statements and automatically assume a more nefarious intent (I'll give you a moment to go look that one up)?

It appears deflection is all you have. I'm a Freemason, shouldn't you have included Freemasons? I feel left out.:grin:

[AZ Jim]

this guy "claims" that the ISNA is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. You guys buy it, of course. That's a given.

Here is what ISNA says about terrorism and extremism:

http://www.isna.net/isnas-position-on-terrorism-and-religious-extremism.htmlWill you quit with the facts! These yardbirds were perfectly content lecturing one another their tin hat theories.

[Subdermal]

It is clear that you do not even know the meaning of the word.

I see.

It's what the left does on everything: simply claim that the antagonist doesn't know the meaning of what it is they're antagonizing.

Whatever you say, Komrade Alinsky.

[Subdermal]

Will you quit with the facts! These yardbirds were perfectly content lecturing one another their tin hat theories.

Yes, what was in the link is fact: it is fact that ISNA claims things about terrorism and extremism.

Kim Jong Un claims things about his treatment of North Korea's citizens. That he claims things are - as well - facts.

But only a dope considers the claims facts, and not simply the fact that they've claimed them.

[MMC]

Yes, what was in the link is fact: it is fact that ISNA claims things about terrorism and extremism.

Kim Jong Un claims things about his treatment of North Korea's citizens. That he claims things are - as well - facts.

But only a dope considers the claims facts, and not simply the fact that they've claimed them.

You have to remember he didn't read any of it.....he just came into give some support and to help out with the not knowing part. :laugh:

[maineman]

I see.

It's what the left does on everything: simply claim that the antagonist doesn't know the meaning of what it is they're antagonizing.

Whatever you say, Komrade Alinsky.

you may know a lot of things about a lot of things, I merely point out that you either don't know the meaning of the word "dishonesty" or you willfully misuse it. I may be wrong on occasion. I may be uninformed on occasion. I may be misinformed on occasion. I am NEVER dishonest.

[MMC]

you may know a lot of things about a lot of things, I merely point out that you either don't know the meaning of the word "dishonesty" or you willfully misuse it. I may be wrong on occasion. I may be uninformed on occasion. I may be misinformed on occasion. I am NEVER dishonest.

You were dishonest about the links on Discover the Networks.....so save the BS. It is what it is!

[maineman]

You were dishonest about the links on Discover the Networks.....so save the BS. It is what it is!

how was I dishonest? What did I type that was, for me, knowingly false?

[MMC]

how was I dishonest? What did I type that was, for me, knowingly false?

Ask yourself why you mocked it.....then look inward. Then when done, be stilled water.

[maineman]

Ask yourself why you mocked it.....then look inward. Then when done, be stilled water.

Mocking a site well known as right wing conspiracy site is "dishonest"? No. It is not. You might have a different opinion of David Horowitz... that does not make my opinion "dishonest". Learn to use our language with precision or communicate in another one.

[MMC]

Mocking a site well known as right wing conspiracy site is "dishonest"? No. It is not. You might have a different opinion of David Horowitz... that does not make my opinion "dishonest". Learn to use our language with precision or communicate in another one.

I didn't care either way about Horowitz.....it was all the links he had. Which didn't take long to validate their veracity.

As you notice I also used Huff Po and Salon if they have validation of an issue. So I don't mock them as dishonest if they have the validation.

But you can play with the semantics of it. The perspective will play out with the reading of the thread.

[maineman]

I didn't care either way about Horowitz.....it was all the links he had. Which didn't take long to validate their veracity.



I don't open links from that site. Sorry. Nothing dishonest about that at all. You use the word incorrectly. You should apologize.

[MMC]

I don't open links from that site. Sorry. Nothing dishonest about that at all. You use the word incorrectly. You should apologize.

No I didn't use the word incorrectly. Furthermore its evident that I'm not the only one to think so.

[maineman]

No I didn't use the word incorrectly. Furthermore its evident that I'm not the only one to think so.

yes. you did. I have not been dishonest about anything. If others on here shared your view that the moon was made of green cheese, do you think that would make it so?

Again... point to one sentence I have written in this thread or any other where it is clear that I knew what I wrote was not the case, and wrote it anyway in an attempt to deceive someone. If you could find an instance of such, THAT would be an example of dishonesty on my part. You cannot find any such writing of mine. Not here, not anywhere.

You should apologize.

[MMC]

yes. you did. I have not been dishonest about anything. If others on here shared your view that the moon was made of green cheese, do you think that would make it so?

Again... point to one sentence I have written in this thread or any other where it is clear that I knew what I wrote was not the case, and wrote it anyway in an attempt to deceive someone. If you could find an instance of such, THAT would be an example of dishonesty on my part. You cannot find any such writing of mine. Not here, not anywhere.

You should apologize.

You were told like it is.....and again the perception is what it is. But you can apologize to reality. Theres your start.

[maineman]

you were told like it is.....and again the perception is what it is.

the first part of that post is nonsensical on its face. And "perception" IS what it is - and it is NOT a synonym for truth. If anyone's perception of me is that I am dishonest, their perception is flawed and inaccurate. I am not dishonest. That is a fact your perceptions may be at odds with, but a fact nonetheless. You may not share my viewpoint or my perspective, but that has nothing to do with whether or not dishonesty is present.