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Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 12:02 AM
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Hal Jordan
07-15-2016, 12:26 AM
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Well, since racial tensions are higher than ever, I think the answer is obvious.

Common
07-15-2016, 01:22 AM
I posted an article and a poll the poll stated flatly that 70% of americans say race relations are worse than ever.

FindersKeepers
07-15-2016, 03:37 AM
Like the others who have posted -- I think he's made it worse.

Much worse.

I hate that our nation is this divided and I hate even more that the division is based on a false narrative.

I don't think Obama intended for this to happen, though.

AZ Jim
07-15-2016, 03:44 AM
Like the others who have posted -- I think he's made it worse.

Much worse.

I hate that our nation is this divided and I hate even more that the division is based on a false narrative.

I don't think Obama intended for this to happen, though.That's generous of you.

FindersKeepers
07-15-2016, 03:52 AM
That's generous of you.

I really think he wanted to be a unifying force.

"The best laid plans of mice and men...."



It's just that we're humans, after all, and we demonstrate some very predictable behaviors and reactions to specific stimuli.

Oboe
07-15-2016, 04:39 AM
If he wanted to unify, he sure has a strange way of showing it, doesn't he?

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 04:56 AM
I don't know Obama's intent, but his background - community organizer- pretty much ensured he would make things worse. The Rules for Radicals divides. They don't unite. He started with the Beer Summit incident where he said the cops acted stupidly. And kept it up since that time. Even in Dallas last week at the memorial service. His narcissistic speech divided Americans.

Mac-7
07-15-2016, 05:58 AM
I really think he wanted to be a unifying force.

.

Yeah, ok

A unifying force as long as whites ride at the back of bus

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 06:49 AM
I think he tried his best but ultimately failed. He's one guy, it's not his responsibility to ease racial tension and a lot of it is self-inflicted on both sides.

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 07:12 AM
I think he tried his best but ultimately failed. He's one guy, it's not his responsibility to ease racial tension and a lot of it is self-inflicted on both sides.

Absolutely.
But it would be nice if he didn't go out of his way to make things worse. And that is what he does.

Cigar
07-15-2016, 07:18 AM
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AeonPax
07-15-2016, 07:22 AM
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donttread
07-15-2016, 07:46 AM
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Nothing. assimilation was working and historically works, but now we are going down some rabbit hole where we don't require common language, dress or mannerisma in the market place, which doesn't work

Chris
07-15-2016, 08:37 AM
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Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 09:33 AM
So far the response has been overwhelmingly "nothing" basically.

Huh...

Tahuyaman
07-15-2016, 09:41 AM
Like the others who have posted -- I think he's made it worse.

Much worse.

I hate that our nation is this divided and I hate even more that the division is based on a false narrative.

I don't think Obama intended for this to happen, though.

While Obama is obviously incompetent, he's not an idiot. He has intentionally pit one racial group against another. He's intelligent enough to know this would happen. He also knows that he can point the finger of blame elsewhere and many people will agree.

Tahuyaman
07-15-2016, 09:44 AM
I don't know Obama's intent, but his background - community organizer- pretty much ensured he would make things worse. The Rules for Radicals divides. They don't unite. He started with the Beer Summit incident where he said the cops acted stupidly. And kept it up since that time. Even in Dallas last week at the memorial service. His narcissistic speech divided Americans.

He knows what he's doing. His intentions are being fulfilled.

Safety
07-15-2016, 09:48 AM
Yes, he effectively pitted the conservatives against everyone else. Shocked that it turned out like that....not at all.

Mac-7
07-15-2016, 10:19 AM
Yes, he effectively pitted the conservatives against everyone else. Shocked that it turned out like that....not at all.

Conservatives includes a lot of people from social conservatives to fiscal conservarives and patriots who love America.

and yes, obumer has offended them all

Safety
07-15-2016, 10:33 AM
Conservatives includes a lot of people from social conservatives to fiscal conservarives and patriots who love America.

and yes, obumer has offended them all

Nice sound bite. Define patriot.

Mac-7
07-15-2016, 12:21 PM
I think he tried his best but ultimately failed. He's one guy, it's not his responsibility to ease racial tension and a lot of it is self-inflicted on both sides.

You are very generous.

but given the limitations of his own personal racial bias I guess obumer couldnt help himself.

At least that is the most generous explaination I can offer

the other option is that he is an evil person who formented racial division for political gain.

which is certainly an easy conclusion to draw

Mac-7
07-15-2016, 12:29 PM
Nice sound bite. Define patriot.

A patriot is someone who respects and loves this country.

That includes most Americans - even a few lefties - but not obama.

Safety
07-15-2016, 12:31 PM
A patriot is someone who respects and loves this country.

That includes most Americans - even a few lefties - but not obama.

It's impossible to quantify how a person loves this country. You can only base it off of personal expectations.

Mac-7
07-15-2016, 12:42 PM
It's impossible to quantify how a person loves this country. You can only base it off of personal expectations.

Conservatives have no problem "quantifying" obumer's patriotism.

Its zero.

Common Sense
07-15-2016, 12:45 PM
Conservatives have no problem "quantifying" obumer's patriotism.

Its zero.

I don't think you speak for the majority of conservatives.

domer76
07-15-2016, 12:45 PM
Conservatives have no problem "quantifying" obumer's patriotism.

Its zero.

That's because, as a group, you're just not all that bright.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 03:49 PM
Absolutely.
But it would be nice if he didn't go out of his way to make things worse. And that is what he does.

I wouldn't agree. I haven't seen anything from him designed to make things worse.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 03:52 PM
Nothing. assimilation was working and historically works, but now we are going down some rabbit hole where we don't require common language, dress or mannerisma in the market place, which doesn't work

How do you reconcile your radical individualism with such an anti-individualist idea as assimilation?

del
07-15-2016, 03:53 PM
he's made it possible for bigots to proudly strut their ignorance in public

or should i say *racialists* to embrace their clear eyed assessment of the mud people?

The Xl
07-15-2016, 03:53 PM
I think the reactions from both sides have been worse than anything he's said, tbh.

That said, I don't think he gives one fuck about improving race relations. Anything that isn't serving his corporate masters and furthering his legacy is likely irrelevant to him.

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 04:11 PM
I wouldn't agree. I haven't seen anything from him designed to make things worse.


You missed it. He started early

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYsW_PxWAM

silvereyes
07-15-2016, 04:23 PM
Nice sound bite. Define patriot.

From the Macapedia: anyone who isnt a liberal. True story...i looked it up.












:rofl:

Common Sense
07-15-2016, 04:24 PM
The officer did act stupidly in that case. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words.

The idea though that Obama hates the police is ludicrous.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 05:59 PM
You missed it. He started early

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYsW_PxWAM

The police did react stupidly. It is a poor choice of words but it isn't designed to divide.

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 07:03 PM
The officer did act stupidly in that case. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words.

The idea though that Obama hates the police is ludicrous.

Right. But his public statements divide, not unite. I don't think he deliberately divides. He just isn't all that bright and is too devoted to his community organizing roots.

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 07:04 PM
The police did react stupidly. It is a poor choice of words but it isn't designed to divide.

It did divide whether that was the intent or not. I tend to believe it was not his intent. He just is not a bright man.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 07:53 PM
It did divide whether that was the intent or not. I tend to believe it was not his intent. He just is not a bright man.

To be fair, people have been intent on division since before he was even elected. He can hardly be blamed when those same people react to everything he says or does with more division.

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 07:54 PM
To be fair, people have been intent on division since before he was even elected. He can hardly be blamed when those same people react to everything he says or does with more division.

He had the choice to not divide. He elected to divide.

del
07-15-2016, 08:00 PM
He had the choice to not divide. He elected to divide.

no, some people chose to be divisive.

Common Sense
07-15-2016, 08:02 PM
Right. But his public statements divide, not unite. I don't think he deliberately divides. He just isn't all that bright and is too devoted to his community organizing roots.

He didn't say anything divisive though.

If those benign comments offend and divide...then the division was already there.

His comments only draw out the conclusions people already had. It's not as if the president can make people racist.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 08:06 PM
He had the choice to not divide. He elected to divide.

I remember from his first year in office that he made many attempts to unite. He held a meeting with top members of the House and Senate, including his election rival McCain, and tried to chart a path forward. I can hardly blame him for largely giving up when every attempt was thrown back in his face.

As @del (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=770) said, the president didn't elect to divide, people chose to be divisive. There are a lot of things I don't like about what he's done as president, but this is not on the list.

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 08:07 PM
He didn't say anything divisive though.

If those benign comments offend and divide...then the division was already there.

His comments only draw out the conclusions people already had. It's not as if the president can make people racist.

Disagree. Obama made things much worse.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 08:57 PM
A true leader deals with social/racial issues without bias.

Anyone who believes teh O'bama handled racial issues without bias is a fool. Everything he did in this aspect was heavily racially biased.

There really is no better way of stating it.

Peter1469
07-15-2016, 08:59 PM
A true leader deals with social/racial issues without bias.

Anyone who believes teh O'bama handled racial issues without bias is a fool. Everything he did in this aspect was heavily racially biased.

There really is no better way of stating it.

Obama has no clue what the word leadership means.

He is a manager.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 09:00 PM
Obama has no clue what the word leadership means.

He is a manager.

He needs his popular opinion support base to work with. Outside of that, he can't make an intelligent, rational decision.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 09:09 PM
A true leader deals with social/racial issues without bias.

Anyone who believes teh O'bama handled racial issues without bias is a fool. Everything he did in this aspect was heavily racially biased.

There really is no better way of stating it.

Humans never deal with anything without bias, much as we like to pretend we do. Leaders are no different.

Safety
07-15-2016, 09:12 PM
Humans never deal with anything without bias, much as we like to pretend we do. Leaders are no different.

The first time in American history a non-status quo president has been elected and people don't understand how that simple fact could cause divisiveness?

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 09:12 PM
Humans never deal with anything without bias, much as we like to pretend we do. Leaders are no different.

Leaders don't deal with gross bias like teh O'bama does.

Otherwise they're not leaders.

You cannot unite a racially divided nation with gross racial bias, which is what we have and why we're in the racial mess we're in.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 09:15 PM
The first time in American history a non-status quo president has been elected and people don't understand how that simple fact could cause divisiveness?

I'm assuming you mean non-status quo in racial make-up, because he was 110% status quo in terms of his actions as president.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 09:16 PM
Leaders don't deal with gross bias like teh O'bama does.

Otherwise they're not leaders.

You cannot unite a racially divided nation with gross racial bias, which is what we have and why we're in the racial mess we're in.

I don't agree that there is a gross racial bias in the president.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 09:18 PM
I'm assuming you mean non-status quo in racial make-up, because he was 110% status quo in terms of his actions as president.

Right, and that's part of my point.

Everything surrounding teh O'bama's presidency has been based in race for large part. His popularity, his actions (much of them, not all).

It's basically how he's going to be judged in time, the racial aspect.

If teh O'bama were white, he would not have been as niche popular.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 09:20 PM
I don't agree that there is a gross racial bias in the president.

Then I question your judgment.

When has he ever made a national speech or delivered a strong message whenever there was a significant black-on-white crime?

If you can manage to dig one up, there will be a dozen in the other direction.

That's not racial non-biased leadership, it's division.

Common Sense
07-15-2016, 09:24 PM
Then I question your judgment.

When has he ever made a national speech or delivered a strong message whenever there was a significant black-on-white crime?

If you can manage to dig one up, there will be a dozen in the other direction.

That's not racial non-biased leadership, it's division.

It's not division, it's addressing a long complicated relationship.

Obama has addressed issues that have stirred controversy or attention at the national level. Was there a national story involving a black on white crime that the nation discussed and Obama ignored?

I really don't get this notion that addressing one issue means you don't care about other issues.

Safety
07-15-2016, 09:47 PM
I'm assuming you mean non-status quo in racial make-up, because he was 110% status quo in terms of his actions as president.

Yes, isn't that what the thread topic is referring to?

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 10:00 PM
Then I question your judgment.

When has he ever made a national speech or delivered a strong message whenever there was a significant black-on-white crime?

How often do significant black-on-white crimes make the news?

Anyway, he delivered a pretty strong message at the Dallas memorial for the five slain officers, who were all white and were executed by a black man.


If you can manage to dig one up, there will be a dozen in the other direction.

That's not racial non-biased leadership, it's division.

He comments on what makes the news and causes a national flurry. If significant black-on-white crimes make the news and cause a national furor, he'd make a comment, like he did for the slain Dallas policemen.

And no offense, but this sounds like you're engaging in confirmation bias. You ask the question and then before I even answer it, you have an excuse loaded in the chamber and your finger on the trigger.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 10:07 PM
How often do significant black-on-white crimes make the news?

The fact that media bias that virtually ignores black-on-white crime doesn't make it right. It only agitates racial tension when every time an average white guy like me who just wants to get along sees in the news white people being thrown under the bus every time there's a white-on-black crime and the tens or hundreds of times more often there's the opposite it goes unreported.

Then our president is everywhere for the former but shuts the fuck up on the latter.

What message does that deliver?

And, why is a racist like Trump suddenly so popular.

Those are dots that can be easily connected if you look at them long enough.


Anyway, he delivered a pretty strong message at the Dallas memorial for the five slain officers, who were all white and were executed by a black man.



He comments on what makes the news and causes a national flurry. If significant black-on-white crimes make the news and cause a national furor, he'd make a comment, like he did for the slain Dallas policemen.

And no offense, but this sounds like you're engaging in confirmation bias. You ask the question and then before I even answer it, you have an excuse loaded in the chamber and your finger on the trigger.

He had to deliver that message because he knows the racial agitation that he's been delivering caused all of this. It's called "damage control", he's not a dummy in that respect.

And yeah, my questions might be loaded but I have no problem defending them.

So take this Dallas comment he made and work backwards, give me another example. If you can.

The point is - there's very few if any and their only defensive - not productive.

We have material racial divide in this country and teh O'bama owns every part of it.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 10:08 PM
It's not division, it's addressing a long complicated relationship.

Obama has addressed issues that have stirred controversy or attention at the national level. Was there a national story involving a black on white crime that the nation discussed and Obama ignored?

I really don't get this notion that addressing one issue means you don't care about other issues.

Then he should address them, across the spectrum.

He doesn't, that's the point.

He sympathizes, and that's not leadership.

del
07-15-2016, 10:24 PM
prom season

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 10:29 PM
The fact that media bias that virtually ignores black-on-white crime doesn't make it right. It only agitates racial tension when every time an average white guy like me who just wants to get along sees in the news white people being thrown under the bus every time there's a white-on-black crime and the tens or hundreds of times more often there's the opposite it goes unreported.

Then our president is everywhere for the former but shuts the fuck up on the latter.

What message does that deliver?

And, why is a racist like Trump suddenly so popular.

Those are dots that can be easily connected if you look at them long enough.



He had to deliver that message because he knows the racial agitation that he's been delivering caused all of this. It's called "damage control", he's not a dummy in that respect.

And yeah, my questions might be loaded but I have no problem defending them.

So take this Dallas comment he made and work backwards, give me another example. If you can.

The point is - there's very few if any and their only defensive - not productive.

We have material racial divide in this country and teh O'bama owns every part of it.

Again, he addresses the ones that cause a national uproar. There's no point in addressing anything else, otherwise he'd be making a speech every time a convenience store got robbed or someone got busted with drugs. It's a completely unreasonable expectation to expect him to trot his ass out for things that don't even register on the national consciousness.

Also, you agree that the media narrative is essentially causing the problem, but then still blame it all on the president. There's some dissonance here.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 10:36 PM
Again, he addresses the ones that cause a national uproar. There's no point in addressing anything else, otherwise he'd be making a speech every time a convenience store got robbed or someone got busted with drugs. It's a completely unreasonable expectation to expect him to trot his ass out for things that don't even register on the national consciousness.

Also, you agree that the media narrative is essentially causing the problem, but then still blame it all on the president. There's some dissonance here.

Teh O'bama owns this because this is the racial discord that he sows.

If (and maybe when) Trump only speaks out when some Islamo-whack mows down a crowd with a truck or blows himself up at a nursery school or when a white woman is raped by a black guy and ignores all the rest, what message would/will that send to the non-white community?

It's not a very difficult concept, leaders don't take sides.

Green Arrow
07-15-2016, 10:41 PM
Teh O'bama owns this because this is the racial discord that he sows.

So you've repeated, but you have yet to demonstrate it.

Safety
07-15-2016, 10:46 PM
Teh O'bama owns this because this is the racial discord that he sows.

If (and maybe when) Trump only speaks out when some Islamo-whack mows down a crowd with a truck or blows himself up at a nursery school or when a white woman is raped by a black guy and ignores all the rest, what message would/will that send to the non-white community?

It's not a very difficult concept, leaders don't take sides.

There's a difference in interjecting whenever the mood suits you, and answering a question when asked your thoughts about it. Regardless how you feel about it, Trayvon, Rice, the professor, et. al were all national stories. Obama was asked his thoughts about them, and he addressed Trayvon specifically because of the circumstances surrounding the incident. Now, if Trump were to address a case like the Duke lacrosse team, and speak about how quick people are to condemn someone before the facts come out, then what exactly is wrong with it? If Obama was publicly speaking about his twitter feed and some black nationalists were feeding him stories and he was talking about them, then you might have an equivalency.

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 11:39 PM
There's a difference in interjecting whenever the mood suits you, and answering a question when asked your thoughts about it. Regardless how you feel about it, Trayvon, Rice, the professor, et. al were all national stories. Obama was asked his thoughts about them, and he addressed Trayvon specifically because of the circumstances surrounding the incident. Now, if Trump were to address a case like the Duke lacrosse team, and speak about how quick people are to condemn someone before the facts come out, then what exactly is wrong with it? If Obama was publicly speaking about his twitter feed and some black nationalists were feeding him stories and he was talking about them, then you might have an equivalency.

So Travon, Rice, etc. were more important deaths than any of the rest?

If these people were white, would teh O'bama or the media made a "national story" out of them?

Captain Obvious
07-15-2016, 11:40 PM
So you've repeated, but you have yet to demonstrate it.

I have, many times. Pay attention.

Subdermal
07-16-2016, 07:14 AM
Yes, he effectively pitted the conservatives against everyone else. Shocked that it turned out like that....not at all.

So...you admit that his intention was not as stated. It was to attack a very particular group.

You should be proud.

Subdermal
07-16-2016, 07:18 AM
From the Macapedia: anyone who isnt a liberal. True story...i looked it up.

:rofl:

One cannot be a US Patriot and attack the foundational concepts in the Constitution...particularly, since - as a citizen - you've sworn to uphold and defend it.

Subdermal
07-16-2016, 07:19 AM
The officer did act stupidly in that case. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words.

The idea though that Obama hates the police is ludicrous.

Of course. He would love a Federalized Police. Meanwhile, his disdain for law enforcement is merely a tool to accomplish a goal - one that you're either not intelligent enough to discern, or willingly obtuse in defense.

Subdermal
07-16-2016, 07:21 AM
There's a difference in interjecting whenever the mood suits you, and answering a question when asked your thoughts about it. Regardless how you feel about it, Trayvon, Rice, the professor, et. al were all national stories. Obama was asked his thoughts about them, and he addressed Trayvon specifically because of the circumstances surrounding the incident. Now, if Trump were to address a case like the Duke lacrosse team, and speak about how quick people are to condemn someone before the facts come out, then what exactly is wrong with it? If Obama was publicly speaking about his twitter feed and some black nationalists were feeding him stories and he was talking about them, then you might have an equivalency.

You act as though those 'stories' were any more important than the hundreds of other incidents which take place weekly in this country.

The difference in these stories is that they're used as tools to fit a narrative being constructed by the liberal media and talking heads - to be parroted by lemmings like yourself.

Debatedrone
07-16-2016, 07:22 AM
I posted an article and a poll the poll stated flatly that 70% of americans say race relations are worse than ever.
As compared to when? 1850?

I doubt most respondents were even alive to remember the 1960's

Peter1469
07-16-2016, 07:23 AM
As compared to when? 1850?

I doubt most respondents were even alive to remember the 1960's

As compared to 2007.

Debatedrone
07-16-2016, 07:24 AM
You missed it. He started early

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYsW_PxWAM

And this caused you racial strife how?

Subdermal
07-16-2016, 07:25 AM
As compared to when? 1850?

I doubt most respondents were even alive to remember the 1960's

...and another liberal attempts to defeat the veracity of a poll by constructing some fictional rationalization explaining why there should be no veracity in the poll.

Derp.

The poll - obviously - allows the respondent to contemplate what race relations were like prior to Obama's election.

No one needs to remember the 1960's, brain stem. We remember 8 years ago.

Debatedrone
07-16-2016, 07:28 AM
As compared to 2007.

Note to self: take poster's posts with big ol grain of salt.

Safety
07-16-2016, 07:28 AM
So Travon, Rice, etc. were more important deaths than any of the rest?

If these people were white, would teh O'bama or the media made a "national story" out of them?

I get it, you're upset that the media reports some cases more than others based upon race, that's a different story for another time, however, the point you are missing is that Obama didn't make the story a national story.

I see you and several others speaking about this as if Obama being black, should be some sort of elixir to fix the race issue in America. It doesn't work that way.

Why is it, whenever someone speaks about an incident, it has to be quantified as it being more important than another? Couldn't it be seen as maybe, just maybe, the perception that some events are dismissed at the onset because of the way society's thought process has been tuned to brush it off as thugs being thugs?

Peter1469
07-16-2016, 07:28 AM
And this caused you racial strife how?

He threw the cops under the bus over nonsense. He would better serve the American people by STFU.

Peter1469
07-16-2016, 07:29 AM
Note to self: take poster's posts with big ol grain of salt.

Or rather avoid truth.

Debatedrone
07-16-2016, 07:34 AM
...and another liberal attempts to defeat the veracity of a poll by constructing some fictional rationalization explaining why there should be no veracity in the poll.

Derp.

The poll - obviously - allows the respondent to contemplate what race relations were like prior to Obama's election.

No one needs to remember the 1960's, brain stem. We remember 8 years ago.
What poll? No poll was cited or linked.

Tell me how, based on your personal experience[s]...is everyone to quantify racial strife? How does that work exactly?

Safety
07-16-2016, 07:34 AM
So...you admit that his intention was not as stated. It was to attack a very particular group.

You should be proud.

Yes, he got the low information segment of conservatives riled up, after they already were upset at losing the consecutive string of "patriots" they had as presidents...

Debatedrone
07-16-2016, 07:35 AM
Or rather avoid truth.

Truth is subjective. Your truth is totally subjective.

Safety
07-16-2016, 07:36 AM
What poll? No poll was cited or linked.

Tell me how, based on your personal experience[s]...is everyone to quantify racial strife? How does that work exactly?

Easy, as one poster mentioned a while back, "white is right".

Peter1469
07-16-2016, 07:39 AM
Truth is subjective. Your truth is totally subjective.


I understand liberals think so. Not in the real world.

Debatedrone
07-16-2016, 07:43 AM
Easy, as one poster mentioned a while back, "white is right".

White may be right...I just want to read the information that makes that case. I don't want to hear subjective reasoning with no basis in reality.

Someone said I can't handle the "truth"...I deal in fact.

The fact is there is no documentation that race relations were any better in 2007, 1967, 1927, or 1857.

These are subjective truths.

I get the same subjective truth arguments if I brought up Noah's Ark or the Virgin Birth.

Peter1469
07-16-2016, 07:46 AM
White may be right...I just want to read the information that makes that case. I don't want to hear subjective reasoning with no basis in reality.

Someone said I can't handle the "truth"...I deal in fact.

The fact is there is no documentation that race relations were any better in 2007, 1967, 1927, or 1857.

These are subjective truths.

Public school education?

Debatedrone
07-16-2016, 07:49 AM
Public school education?

I'm a functional illiterate with a 5th grade public school education.

Peter1469
07-16-2016, 07:54 AM
I'm a functional illiterate with a 5th grade public school education.

I doubt that very much.

I think you got the full course of indoctrination.

Mac-7
07-16-2016, 09:02 AM
I doubt that very much.

I think you got the full course of indoctrination.

DebateDrone just doesnt want to admit that race relations are worse under obumer

Peter1469
07-16-2016, 09:03 AM
DebateDrone just doesnt want to admit that race relations are worse under obumer

No intelligent person thinks that they have not gotten worse. But fans will accept anything.

Tahuyaman
07-16-2016, 09:23 AM
Yes, he effectively pitted the conservatives against everyone else. Shocked that it turned out like that....not at all.

His only motive is to isolate conservatives? Seeing as he is possibly the most divisive president we've ever had, there must be more conservatives out there than anyone suspected. Whatever division existed prior to his presidency is much wider today. it's not just conservatives.

Tahuyaman
07-16-2016, 09:25 AM
No intelligent person thinks that they have not gotten worse. But fans will accept anything.


They have gotten worse and it isn't relative to who may be a conservative or a liberal. It's gotten worse amongst all.

Green Arrow
07-16-2016, 10:46 AM
One cannot be a US Patriot and attack the foundational concepts in the Constitution...particularly, since - as a citizen - you've sworn to uphold and defend it.

I was born and raised here and have never even left the country for a visit, and I don't recall ever making such a vow.

del
07-16-2016, 11:35 AM
No intelligent person thinks that they have not gotten worse. But fans will accept anything.

did you ask one?

Mac-7
07-16-2016, 12:49 PM
I was born and raised here and have never even left the country for a visit, and I don't recall ever making such a vow.

I guess you never served in the military

Green Arrow
07-16-2016, 02:02 PM
I guess you never served in the military

Nope.