Mike Pence, ass kissng hypocrite.

[AZ Jim]

Here's a guy who is a big time evangelist yet he is defending Trump 100%. He has said he doesn't believe in torture, he voted for the same war that Hillary now says she regrets having voted for yet Trump demonizes her for her vote. Trump is so opposite Pence's supposed religious views. He flushed his faith (if he had any) to suck up to the demon Donald J. Trump.

[Oboe]

Trump/Pence 2016. Obama/Clinton prison.

[birddog]

Here's a guy who is a big time evangelist yet he is defending Trump 100%. He has said he doesn't believe in torture, he voted for the same war that Hillary now says she regrets having voted for yet Trump demonizes her for her vote. Trump is so opposite Pence's supposed religious views. He flushed his faith (if he had any) to suck up to the demon Donald J. Trump.

Pence is flexible, but will stick up for his core principles, and Trump knows it. You would have to be more knowledgeable to attain the level of moron status.

[AZ Jim]

Pence is flexible, but will stick up for his core principles, and Trump knows it. You would have to be more knowledgeable to attain the level of moron status.Coming from you, that is hysterical.

[birddog]

Coming from you, that is hysterical.

It's really likely the truth, but I know you have difficulty with the truth. Poor old fella! :grin:

[FindersKeepers]

Here's a guy who is a big time evangelist yet he is defending Trump 100%. He has said he doesn't believe in torture, he voted for the same war that Hillary now says she regrets having voted for yet Trump demonizes her for her vote. Trump is so opposite Pence's supposed religious views. He flushed his faith (if he had any) to suck up to the demon Donald J. Trump.


Hillary is held to task over her vote because she had more insight into the situation in Iraq that most did. It was her husband, after all, that signed the Iraqi Freedom Act into law, which advocated the ouster of Saddam. Politically, it's very convenient that she regrets voting for war now.

[del]

"republicans, from george washington to george bush, simply have better ideas."

mike pence

governor, presidential scholar and complete asshat

lol

[Mister D]

"republicans, from george washington to george bush, simply have better ideas."

mike pence

governor, presidential scholar and complete asshat

lol

Esquire alleges that's a Trump quote.

[AZ Jim]

Hillary is held to task over her vote because she had more insight into the situation in Iraq that most did. It was her husband, after all, that signed the Iraqi Freedom Act into law, which advocated the ouster of Saddam. Politically, it's very convenient that she regrets voting for war now.Pence a 6 times Representative had plenty of the very same facts at his disposal. Nice try though.

[del]

Esquire alleges that's a Trump quote.

i suggest you go back and reread it

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46719/mike-pence-planned-parenthood/



UPDATE (6 :15 p.m.)—Unless He, Trump is fcking with the world—always a decent longshot bet—Pence it will be. Which reminds me. Here's something else he once wrote:
"Republicans, from George Washington to George W. Bush, simply have better ideas."

Really? Well, I just happen to have President Washington right here. What did you think about political parties, Mr. President?

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders & miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security & repose in the absolute power of an Individual: and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty."

Won't be speaking at this convention, that's for sure.

here's the original column by pence

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/smoking-doesnt-kill-and-other-great-old-op-eds-from-mike-pen?utm_term=.jxK0O9a5bk#.ffQbjDWE1l

[Truth Detector]

Here's a guy who is a big time evangelist yet he is defending Trump 100%. He has said he doesn't believe in torture, he voted for the same war that Hillary now says she regrets having voted for yet Trump demonizes her for her vote. Trump is so opposite Pence's supposed religious views. He flushed his faith (if he had any) to suck up to the demon Donald J. Trump.

What about when Biden said Obama wasn't competent enough to be President and McCain would be a better choice; then he became the beloved VP. Were you okay with that?

I am sorry, but when Liberals who support a corrupt, sociopathic lying, unaccomplished inept harpy like Hillary, they have no room to complain about hypocrisy. Hell, they gave that up when the elected an inexperienced divisive dunce like Obama twice.

[Truth Detector]

You would have to be more knowledgeable to attain the level of moron status.

^True story.

[Cigar]

Here's a guy who is a big time evangelist yet he is defending Trump 100%. He has said he doesn't believe in torture, he voted for the same war that Hillary now says she regrets having voted for yet Trump demonizes her for her vote. Trump is so opposite Pence's supposed religious views. He flushed his faith (if he had any) to suck up to the demon Donald J. Trump.


Not as Big as Christie ... and he didn't even get a Happy Ending :laugh:

[stjames1_53]

Here's a guy who is a big time evangelist yet he is defending Trump 100%. He has said he doesn't believe in torture, he voted for the same war that Hillary now says she regrets having voted for yet Trump demonizes her for her vote. Trump is so opposite Pence's supposed religious views. He flushed his faith (if he had any) to suck up to the demon Donald J. Trump.

you do know that he vetoed the Religious freedom bill in Indiana because his son is gay? He sold out all of Indiana because of one.
Hardly one who is anti-gay.................

[Truth Detector]

Hillary is held to task over her vote because she had more insight into the situation in Iraq that most did. It was her husband, after all, that signed the Iraqi Freedom Act into law, which advocated the ouster of Saddam. Politically, it's very convenient that she regrets voting for war now.

^True story.

And let's also not forget what ALL the Democratic leadership said before the Iraq War vote:

"[I]Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003

[FindersKeepers]

Pence a 6 times Representative had plenty of the very same facts at his disposal. Nice try though.


Pence is not my favorite person but VPs are kind of out-of-sight and out-of-mind most of the time.

I'm just talking about Hillary and her vote for the war.

Hillary is no peacenik.

She made some huge threats toward Iran last time she ran for the presidency and there is no indication that she did not support her husband's position that Saddam had to go. Pretty much everyone in the late 90s was on the same page with that.

One of my biggest concerns with Hillary is her driving jingoism. We really don't need additional wars. We've done enough messing around in the business of other countries, and it's pretty much backfired on us of late.

[Truth Detector]

i suggest you go back and reread it

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46719/mike-pence-planned-parenthood/



here's the original column by pence

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/smoking-doesnt-kill-and-other-great-old-op-eds-from-mike-pen?utm_term=.jxK0O9a5bk#.ffQbjDWE1l

Yep; one can always trust a source like Buzzfeed to be reputable and full of facts! :rofl:

Good lord; you cannot make up the level of ignorance from the left.

[kcvet]

Kinton's a dog with fleas


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WovYnLL9Yow&feature=youtu.be

[AZ Jim]

Pence is not my favorite person but VPs are kind of out-of-sight and out-of-mind most of the time.

I'm just talking about Hillary and her vote for the war.

Hillary is no peacenik.

She made some huge threats toward Iran last time she ran for the presidency and there is no indication that she did not support her husband's position that Saddam had to go. Pretty much everyone in the late 90s was on the same page with that.

One of my biggest concerns with Hillary is her driving jingoism. We really don't need additional wars. We've done enough messing around in the business of other countries, and it's pretty much backfired on us of late.Yeah, nothing to fear from Trump who says he is not ruling out nukes in the middle east. Here's a guy who, like a spoiled baby, throws tantrums and says whatever he wants which would put us in gun sights all over the globe, but you don't like Hillary. Good thinking......................not.

[FindersKeepers]

Yeah, nothing to fear from Trump who says he is not ruling out nukes in the middle east. Here's a guy who, like a spoiled baby, throws tantrums and says whatever he wants which would put us in gun sights all over the globe, but you don't like Hillary. Good thinking......................not.


Trump has made it clear he prefers a non-interventionist foreign policy, which moves Hillary to the front of the warmongering line.

Trump could change his mind, after all, he's not familiar with calling policy, but Hillary has proven herself to be a jingoist.

But you're using Trump's "nukes" comment out of context. He said he'd be "the last person to use them," meaning Hillary would use them before Trump does.

[del]

Yep; one can always trust a source like Buzzfeed to be reputable and full of facts! :rofl:

Good lord; you cannot make up the level of ignorance from the left.

are you this stupid in real life?

[AZ Jim]

Trump has made it clear he prefers a non-interventionist foreign policy, which moves Hillary to the front of the warmongering line.

Trump could change his mind, after all, he's not familiar with calling policy, but Hillary has proven herself to be a jingoist.

But you're using Trump's "nukes" comment out of context. He said he'd be "the last person to use them," meaning Hillary would use them before Trump does.He is for giving S Korea and Japan nukes and withdrawing our troops there. Trump is an unknown quantity, he is scary and will be defeated in Nov.. I am, however, disappointed in you for your support of that loose cannon as I credit you with more intelligence that your fellow repub posters.

[kcvet]

He is for giving S Korea and Japan nukes and withdrawing our troops there. Trump is an unknown quantity, he is scary and will be defeated in Nov.. I am, however, disappointed in you for your support of that loose cannon as I credit you with more intelligence that your fellow repub posters.

well if your that scared bye

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/tm/2007/12/cruiseship_428x269_to_468x312.jpg

[del]

another brain surgeon for trump

[AZ Jim]

well if your that scared bye

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/tm/2007/12/cruiseship_428x269_to_468x312.jpgI've been places and seen things you can't even imagine, punk. Go away fly.

[kcvet]

I've been places and seen things you can't even imagine, punk. Go away fly.

so have I so sail away

[Truth Detector]

are you this stupid in real life?

Irony; you might want to buy a mirror to see what the definition of that word really means. :biglaugh:

[Truth Detector]

another brain surgeon for trump

What would a clueless thread trolling leftist like you know about brains? More irony! :biglaugh:

[Truth Detector]

I've been places and seen things you can't even imagine, punk. Go away fly.

I doubt that you are capable of seeing, much less understand, anything based on the moronic pabulum you spew here. You're like a dumbed down version of maineman on hemorrhoids. :biglaugh:

[suds00]

i'd be surprised if trump allows pence to express a contrary opinion.he'll just talk over him,like the 60 minutes interview.leslie stahl did her best with it.scott pelly didn't do it this time.when he interviewed trump last year he looked like he was going to explode listening to trump's nonsense.

[del]

Irony; you might want to buy a mirror to see what the definition of that word really means. :biglaugh:

i don't need a mirror to read your posts

[FindersKeepers]

He is for giving S Korea and Japan nukes and withdrawing our troops there. Trump is an unknown quantity, he is scary and will be defeated in Nov.. I am, however, disappointed in you for your support of that loose cannon as I credit you with more intelligence that your fellow repub posters.



I've made it very clear that Trump is not my favorite candidate -- but I think he's the lesser of two evils. I think we'll be in a world of hurt with Hillary.

It's interesting that you bring up the Japan and South Korea thing.

Yes, Trump wants to either pull our troops out of SK -- or -- make them pay their share of the defense we're paying for -- for them.

I'm not sure what the problem is with doing that. What are we? Imperial guardians of the world? Why does the American taxpayer have to support SK's defense? When Obama refused to negotiate peacekeeping forces in Iraq, I didn't hear any democrats complain. They applauded it, actually, until ISIS grew up in their absence.

No. Trump never advocated giving SK and Japan nukes. He did, however, say that they could "build their own" and quit relying on American taxpayers to defend them.

You'll probably get your wish -- Hillary will probably win.

But, not with my help. That blood won't be on my hands.

[zelmo1234]

Here's a guy who is a big time evangelist yet he is defending Trump 100%. He has said he doesn't believe in torture, he voted for the same war that Hillary now says she regrets having voted for yet Trump demonizes her for her vote. Trump is so opposite Pence's supposed religious views. He flushed his faith (if he had any) to suck up to the demon Donald J. Trump.

Trump Claims to be a Christian? What is different is Pence Muslim???
.
And Remember Jim it is OK in the GOP to have differences of opinions, that is why they are the party of freedom.

It is the DNC that you are persecuted if you are not 100% in step with the party line, and that is why they are the authoritarian party.

[zelmo1234]

Pence a 6 times Representative had plenty of the very same facts at his disposal. Nice try though.

Actually, Both Hillary and Mike voted for the War. And that kept Terrorist from attacking us here at home.

Hillary Supported the early withdraw against the advice of all of our military leaders, and look what happened in the middle east. I wonder if she regrets that too?

[zelmo1234]

This Is going to be a very hard election for the Democrats. In the past the Democrats would use character Assignation and the GOP would just take the high road.

This time Trump punches bake and hits a lot harder. He gets away with it, because the people don't like Hillary.

So now they are going after Honesty and Values. But Hillary is the most morally Bankrupt candidate that has ever ran for President of the USA. So this backfires every time. And they can't play the Women Card because everyone knows that she is Crooked and Dishonest and they don't like her.

[Peter1469]

Trump has made it clear he prefers a non-interventionist foreign policy, which moves Hillary to the front of the warmongering line.

Trump could change his mind, after all, he's not familiar with calling policy, but Hillary has proven herself to be a jingoist.

But you're using Trump's "nukes" comment out of context. He said he'd be "the last person to use them," meaning Hillary would use them before Trump does.

His foreign policy speech was more realism than isolationism.

[kcvet]

He is for giving S Korea and Japan nukes and withdrawing our troops there. Trump is an unknown quantity, he is scary and will be defeated in Nov.. I am, however, disappointed in you for your support of that loose cannon as I credit you with more intelligence that your fellow repub posters.

prove it

[FindersKeepers]

This Is going to be a very hard election for the Democrats. In the past the Democrats would use character Assignation and the GOP would just take the high road.

This time Trump punches bake and hits a lot harder. He gets away with it, because the people don't like Hillary.





This has crossed my mind as well. It's been a Democratic tactic to try and publicly "shame" the conservative candidate in some way, whether it be racial or social --- something.

Now, with Trump, they're going to get a taste of their own medicine. They will be crying foul, I'm sure, but that won't stop Trump.

I have to admit -- I'm kind of looking forward to seeing Trump debate Hillary.

I don't think it will be enough to hand Trump the win, but it will give Americans a different, and not flattering, view of Hillary.

[del]

This has crossed my mind as well. It's been a Democratic tactic to try and publicly "shame" the conservative candidate in some way, whether it be racial or social --- something.

Now, with Trump, they're going to get a taste of their own medicine. They will be crying foul, I'm sure, but that won't stop Trump.

I have to admit -- I'm kind of looking forward to seeing Trump debate Hillary.

I don't think it will be enough to hand Trump the win, but it will give Americans a different, and not flattering, view of Hillary.


yeah, no one's tried to dump on hillary before trump.

[FindersKeepers]

yeah, no one's tried to dump on hillary before trump.

Not like this....

This could be comical.

Trump doesn't have a filter on his mouth. He could very easily bring up accusations of murdering Vince Foster. He could make jokes about Bill and his cigar.

Things most candidates would never dream of saying could come out of Trump's mouth.

You can't tell me you don't find that intriguing. Every debate will be The Main Event.

[del]

Not like this....

This could be comical.

Trump doesn't have a filter on his mouth. He could very easily bring up accusations of murdering Vince Foster. He could make jokes about Bill and his cigar.

Things most candidates would never dream of saying could come out of Trump's mouth.

You can't tell me you don't find that intriguing. Every debate will be The Main Event.


i don't find it intriguing at all.

the idea that out of 330 million people the best we can do is either one of these asshats makes me ill.

[FindersKeepers]

i don't find it intriguing at all.

the idea that out of 330 million people the best we can do is either one of these asshats makes me ill.



You make a good point. It's sad, indeed.