Munich Massacre

[exotix]

*Breaking*

Shooting at shopping mall in Munich, multiple deaths reported

https://www.rt.com/news/352727-munich-reports-shooting-running/

A man entered the shopping mall and randomly opened fire, injuring many people, a person periscoping from the scene said.

Then the shooter reportedly left the center and headed towards a raliway station.


Videos Inside



https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.07/original/57924c75c46188df678b45ce.jpg

[Oboe]

Not possible. Guns are banned in Germany.

[exotix]

Looks to be Baader-Meinhof

[Oboe]

No doubt another towel head with a gun free zone license.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYL0yN110go

[Private Pickle]

What's the word from Caitlyn Jenner?

[Oboe]

What's the word from Caitlyn Jenner?


She can't be reached right now, as she's in a meeting with LaPierre.

[Mac-7]

Looks to be Baader-Meinhof

Are you having a lucid moment or just trolling?

My first guess would be muslims.

[Archer0915]

More than one gunman from what I read.

[Oboe]

I'll be surprised if it's NOT an akbar.

[Cigar]

More than one gunman from what I read.


Saying 3

[Oboe]

Saying 3

Any motive, other than Allah yet?

[Mac-7]

Saying 3

Three Swedish athiests no doubt.

[Oboe]

Perhaps the Swedish Bikini team?

https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uspsa2.org%2Fimage s%2FSBT%2F010701_sbt_Jerry.jpg&sp=b417c0597a2f3a4089461a2d042ba35e

[Common]

*Breaking*

Shooting at shopping mall in Munich, multiple deaths reported

https://www.rt.com/news/352727-munich-reports-shooting-running/

A man entered the shopping mall and randomly opened fire, injuring many people, a person periscoping from the scene said.

Then the shooter reportedly left the center and headed towards a raliway station.


Videos Inside



https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.07/original/57924c75c46188df678b45ce.jpg


Lapierre says Germans cant own guns, how bout that german gun control

[exotix]

Lapierre says Germans cant own guns, how bout that german gun controlWell right now we're doing a Trump Tweets wait 'n see blaming Obama ...

[Oboe]

Well right now we're doing a Trump Tweets wait 'n see blaming Obama ...

Genuine frontier gibberish.

[Oboe]

I guess we were wrong about the Swedes doing this. "Authorities" in Germany now say they "suspect terrorism". I can't believe it.

[Mac-7]

I guess we were wrong about the Swedes doing this. "Authorities" in Germany know say the "suspect terrorism". I can't believe it.

Meanwhile Germany and Obama just keep bringing more Muslims to kill us

[exotix]

*update*

6 Dead ... City in Lockdown

[Peter1469]

No word on motive yet. They shut down mass transit and asked people to stay off the highways.

Rumors of something in city center, but no confirmation.

[AeonPax]

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a) 6 dead. b) Suspect(s) have not been apprehended. No official word as to the amount or identity of suspect(s) (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36870874). c) Terrorism is suspected.

That is all.

[Cigar]

I guess we were wrong about the Swedes doing this. "Authorities" in Germany now say they "suspect terrorism". I can't believe it.


Opps ... after further review ... :laugh:

How do you like your Crow ...?

[Oboe]

Opps ... after further review ... :laugh:

How do you like your Crow ...?

I'll bet you often hear the phrase, "WTF are you talking about", don't you?

[exotix]

*update*

8 Dead ... Gunman who didn't appear to look Muslim yelled *Ich bin Deutsche*as he opened fire ... bystander yelled back ... *Sie sind ein Arschloch* ...

[Oboe]

*update*

Gunman who didn't appear to look Muslim yelled *Ich bin Deutsche*as he opened fire ... bystander yelled back ... *Sie sind ein Arschloch* ...

Yeah, the bystander said, "What kind of gun is that?" Shooter says, "It's a Glock 7."

[exotix]

Yeah, the bystander said, "What kind of gun is that?" Shooter says, "It's a Glock 7."Have anything of value to add or just clog-up this thread with dumbski ?

LOL

[Oboe]

Have anything of value to add or just clog-up this thread with dumbski ?

LOL


Today, I'm just emulating your massive nebula of stupid.

[Peter1469]

This is the anniversary of the massacre in Norway (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/22/anders-breivik-massacre-one-of-us-anne-seierstad). So it could be linked to that.

[exotix]

This is the anniversary of the massacre in Norway (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/22/anders-breivik-massacre-one-of-us-anne-seierstad). So it could be linked to that.Possible theory being investigated ...

[exotix]

*update*

Gunman also yelled *Ficken die Turken* ... leading police to believe this is a neo-nazi ...

[Peter1469]

GSG9 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSG_9)is on the way. They are an elite counter-terror force like our Army Delta Force. Except GSG9 is part of the German police and not military.

[Ethereal]

Doesn't this murderer know that it's illegal to shoot people?

[Peter1469]

One gunman killed himself.

[Beevee]

Meanwhile Germany and Obama just keep bringing more Muslims to kill us

What's the record for killing to date from incoming Muslims in the USA then?

[Oboe]

oops.

[Oboe]

Who knows. Counting the WTC, it's in the thousands.

In germany it is reported the shooter as saying alluha akbar, or however you say it.

[Beevee]

Doesn't this murderer know that it's illegal to shoot people?

He is only emulating the daily gun crime murder rate in the USA. Wonder where he picked that up from?

[Cigar]

One gunman killed himself.


Maybe now we need to Ban Germans

[Oboe]

Maybe now we need to Ban Germans

They said he was shouting allah akbar.

[Oboe]

He is only emulating the daily gun crime murder rate in the USA. Wonder where he picked that up from?

Liberals in Chicago.

[exotix]

They said he was shouting allah akbar.Link please.

[Oboe]

[/URL][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3703705/Major-police-investigation-way-shots-fired-shopping-centre-Munich.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3703705/Major-police-investigation-way-shots-fired-shopping-centre-Munich.html)


Hint Neurotix: It wasn't LaPierre.

[Peter1469]

Maybe he was a Turk.

[exotix]

Maybe he was a Turk.The Turks were brought to Germany after the war to rebuild Germany due to all the manpower depleted ... so Germany has had a lengthy Turkish presence in the country ...

No I was just listening to that Special OPs Director guy blame all this all on Bush ... from 9/11 to Iraq where Bush single-handedly created ISIS ... to the the collapse of the global economy which hit the German middle-class particularly hard ...

[Oboe]

Who knows? Hell might have been a college student from Berkley.

[Hal Jordan]

Who knows. Counting the WTC, it's in the thousands.

In germany it is reported the shooter as saying alluha akbar, or however you say it.

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[Peter1469]

The Turks were brought to Germany after the war to rebuild Germany due to all the manpower depleted ... so Germany has had a lengthy Turkish presence in the country ...

No I was just listening to that Special OPs Director guy blame all this all on Bush ... from 9/11 to Iraq where Bush single-handedly created ISIS ... to the the collapse of the global economy which hit the German middle-class particularly hard ...

The Turks were only guest workers for a long time. At some point they got citizenship. The Turks in Germany also keep their Turk citizenship and vote in Turkish elections. Germany sets up polling places for them to do it. It is the largest population of Turks outside of Turkey.

And Turks in Germany face far more racism in Germany than blacks do here. I was shocked.

[MisterVeritis]

Who knows. Counting the WTC, it's in the thousands.

In germany it is reported the shooter as saying alluha akbar, or however you say it.
Aloha snackbar.

[Common]

They said he was shouting allah akbar.

That translated is CIGAR_EXOTIX CIGAR_EXOTIX

[Ethereal]

He is only emulating the daily gun crime murder rate in the USA. Wonder where he picked that up from?

Probably some gang-banger from Democrat-run Chicago.

[Common]

I certainly hope germany can work through this and stop the carnage theyve been the victims of.

Clearly Europe, especially Germany and France who opened their arms to HELP refugees and migrants, GOT PAID BACK by murder, rape and crime. This in itself demonstrates obama is a jackass along with the rest of the refugee, illegal mexican cheerleaders.

[exotix]

That translated is CIGAR_EXOTIX CIGAR_EXOTIXhttp://i67.tinypic.com/347a8si.gif

[William]

I certainly hope germany can work through this and stop the carnage theyve been the victims of.

Clearly Europe, especially Germany and France who opened their arms to HELP refugees and migrants, GOT PAID BACK by murder, rape and crime.

What you said is true, and it's a great pity that no good deed goes unpunished. It is not the fault of the refugees, nor of the French and Germans who try to help the refugees, nor is it a lesson to anyone not to take in refugees. It is the fault of the bastards who take advantage of human kindness and generosity to murder innocent people.

These are not 'illegal immigrants' - these are refugees fleeing death and destruction (partly of our making) and as signatories to the UNHCR Convention we have the responsibility to give them shelter in our countries.

[Mac-7]

What you said is true, and it's a great pity that no good deed goes unpunished. It is not the fault of the refugees, nor of the French and Germans who try to help the refugees, nor is it a lesson to anyone not to take in refugees. It is the fault of the $#@!s who take advantage of human kindness and generosity to murder innocent people.

these are refugees fleeing death and destruction



Along with the muslim immigrants come the terrorists.

and more muslims means more terrorists.

[William]

Along with the muslim immigrants come the terrorists.

and more muslims means more terrorists.

Maybe, maybe not - but I'm talking about UNHCR refugees, not immigrants (who can be vetted neway).

[Peter1469]

Regardless, many of the innocent migrants have no desire to adopt the Western culture. And their culture is not compatible with that of the West.

[Ethereal]

Germany just needs to make more laws against mass murdering people with guns. Maybe create a few more gun-free zones. That should solve the problem.

[Mini Me]

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Its the Hitleresque rock group, Rammstein shooting a video!

[Mister D]

Its the Hitleresque rock group, Rammstein shooting a video!

Who qualifies as Hitleresque? Anyone who speaks German? :laugh:

[Mini Me]

Along with the muslim immigrants come the terrorists.

and more muslims means more terrorists.

Its a TROJAN HORSE!

[exotix]

Its the Hitleresque rock group, Rammstein shooting a video!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkW-K5RQdzo

[Mini Me]

Who qualifies as Hitleresque? Anyone who speaks German? :laugh:

You tube Rammstein, and you will see!

See Buck dich(unsensored)

This is German power metal

https://youtu.be/ihWcI2xSv4s

[Mister D]

You tube Rammstein, and you will see!

I have. I like some of their songs. Amerika is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg

[exotix]

Just In

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shots-fired-munich-shopping-center-german-police-say-n615031


Gunman was an 18-year-old German-Iranian from Munich who had been living in the city for more than two years

A motive is unknown.


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[William]

Its a TROJAN HORSE!

Dunno why everyone calls it a Trojan Horse - like it was a Greek wooden horse that the Greeks used to get their soldiers into the city of Troy. :huh:

And like how dumb were those Trojans! They have this huge siege going on with the Greeks for like 10 years, and one afternoon they look out to find the Greek soldiers have gone, and have kindly left them a present of a ginormous wooden horse. Like it's typical of an enemy you've been fighting and killing for 10 years to leave you a parting gift - isn't it! :rollseyes:

So they haul this huge thing into the walled city and then have their hot milk and bikkies and go off to bed - to wake up in the morning and find themselves dead and the city sacked - really? :huh:

[Common]

They are saying it was one shooter, hes dead and he is a German Iranian but his motives arent clear yet

[Common]

Dunno why everyone calls it a Trojan Horse - like it was a Greek wooden horse that the Greeks used to get their soldiers into the city of Troy. :huh:

And like how dumb were those Trojans! They have this huge siege going on with the Greeks for like 10 years, and one afternoon they look out to find the Greek soldiers have gone, and have kindly left them a present of a ginormous wooden horse. Like it's typical of an enemy you've been fighting and killing for 10 years to leave you a parting gift - isn't it! :rollseyes:

So they haul this huge thing into the walled city and then have their hot milk and bikkies and go off to bed - to wake up in the morning and find themselves dead and the city sacked - really? :huh:

The trojan horse was mythology william

[Peter1469]

Dunno why everyone calls it a Trojan Horse - like it was a Greek wooden horse that the Greeks used to get their soldiers into the city of Troy. :huh:

And like how dumb were those Trojans! They have this huge siege going on with the Greeks for like 10 years, and one afternoon they look out to find the Greek soldiers have gone, and have kindly left them a present of a ginormous wooden horse. Like it's typical of an enemy you've been fighting and killing for 10 years to leave you a parting gift - isn't it! :rollseyes:

So they haul this huge thing into the walled city and then have their hot milk and bikkies and go off to bed - to wake up in the morning and find themselves dead and the city sacked - really? :huh:


https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13567336_10157088683905494_9013003052230929274_n.j pg?oh=efa0f7ebaed4b059710a8a1aac10635b&oe=57EF65D3

[Mini Me]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13567336_10157088683905494_9013003052230929274_n.j pg?oh=efa0f7ebaed4b059710a8a1aac10635b&oe=57EF65D3


Peter gets it!

[Mini Me]

I have. I like some of their songs. Amerika is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg

play buck dich! censored version, you need a google account. It grosses people out!

[kilgram]

No relation with Muslims and more with Breivik. Eat your xenophobia.

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[MisterVeritis]

No relation with Muslims and more with Breivik. Eat your xenophobia.

Iranian. Iran is pretty close to Scandanavia, isn't it?

[kilgram]

Iranian. Iran is pretty close to Scandanavia, isn't it?
Police has discarded any relation with Islam. And the reasons of the attack were xenophobic and the attack focused on foreigners like kosovars.

For now the attack cannot be linked to any political motivation and are discarded the islamic reasons.

[MisterVeritis]

Police has discarded any relation with Islam. And the reasons of the attack were xenophobic and the attack focused on foreigners like kosovars.
I would discount anything coming from Germany's government. Like our government, they are apologists who prefer to explain away the obvious connections.

[kilgram]

I would discount anything coming from Germany's government. Like our government, they are apologists who prefer to explain away the obvious connections.
By the way, yes an Iranian has more connections to Scandinavia than you think, like being arian :) Well, probably now it is the only one, but is arian.

[MisterVeritis]

By the way, yes an Iranian has many connections to Scandinavia, like they are arians :)
Right.

One of the courses I took involved the mass migrations across Eurasia over a 6,000 year period. People in the north followed the rivers onto the steppes. And the people of the steppes moved mostly from the East to the west and south. But some followed the rivers north, off the steppes and into the forests.

But Iran is not Scandanavian.

Let's see what the story is in a few more days as the truth filters out of the state-run media in Germany.

[Common]

Police has discarded any relation with Islam. And the reasons of the attack were xenophobic and the attack focused on foreigners like kosovars.

For now the attack cannot be linked to any political motivation and are discarded the islamic reasons.

link please ? Id like to read it

[exotix]

link please ? Id like to read itJust In

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/munich-shooting-rampage-police-search-clues-after-gunman-kills-9-n615371

http://i66.tinypic.com/28rps3o.png

[Oboe]

I saw a report where the shooter was screaming allah akbar. Maybe he just did it to confuse. Or maybe they are lying and it is terrorism.

[kilgram]

I saw a report where the shooter was screaming allah akbar. Maybe he just did it to confuse.

It is not true. And police has absolutely discarded any relation with Islamic radicalism.

[Common]

I would discount anything coming from Germany's government. Like our government, they are apologists who prefer to explain away the obvious connections.

There are Germans starting to believe Merkel is part of the Illuminati

[Oboe]

It is not true. And police has absolutely discarded any relation with Islamic radicalism.

What if they are lying?

[exotix]

*update*

Mass-murderer was diagnosed as mentally-ill but deemed harmless ... had nomenclature of massacres and mass-murderers specifically the killing of children ... mainly from the U.S. and Adam Lanza and Sandy Hook

[Oboe]

LOL! It's America's fault.

[kilgram]

LOL! It's America's fault.

No, however it looks like the guy, that he was German, was a victim of bullying and from a poor region. Tired of the bullying and with psychological treatment he decided to get a gun and start killing.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/756553983250931712

[Mister D]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_T-muW8AAWoCr.jpg:large


:laugh:

[exotix]

Born in America .. neither muslim nor born in an Aquarium ... nor does Lapierre, the NRA nor the 2nd Amendment make that distinguishment ...



http://i64.tinypic.com/mm3gk9.jpg

[Peter1469]

This is the anniversary of the massacre in Norway (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/22/anders-breivik-massacre-one-of-us-anne-seierstad). So it could be linked to that.

Bump

It will be a while before we know. I have long said that if the German government doesn't act against Muslim migration, the people would.

Anders Breivi (https://www.theguardian.com/world/anders-behring-breivik) was against migration, but he attacked the children of Norwegian politicians who were for migration, instead of attacking migrants. I hope this dude didn't do a similar thing.

[Peter1469]

There are Germans starting to believe Merkel is part of the Illuminati

She may not be, but her masters most certainly are.

[Ethereal]

https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13776042_523574534515253_688832241450667412_n.jpg? oh=926cefe1c8394f76d8c5c1d50233b53b&oe=582EA6B4

[Crepitus]

Its the Hitleresque rock group, Rammstein shooting a video!
Rammstein is no more "hitleresque" than you are. They are leftists by their own admission, and if you actually look at translations (or speak German of course) of their lyrics it seems to be true. The occasional use of NAZI symbolism is invariably satirical.

Remember, most of these guys grew up in East Germany and escaped to the West. Till Lindemann (front man) refused military service and was almost put in prison. Richard Kruspe (guitarist) was beaten by police for showing up at an anti-government political demonstration and subsequently fled East Germany. I think the idea that they're somehow in favor of fascism is kinda unlikely.

[Cletus]

Have anything of value to add or just clog-up this thread with dumbski ?

LOL

You were the idiot who said it was Baader - Meinhof. Baader has been dead since 1977. Meinhof has been dead since '76. The group officially disbanded in '98.

[waltky]

Obsessed with mass shootings and the Breivik massacre in Norway...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_omg.gif
Munich Teen Gunman Had No IS Links - Police
24 July `16 - Police have described the attack as a "classic shooting rampage", saying the gunman had literature about mass killings.


A teen gunman who killed nine people and injured 27 others in Munich had no links to Islamic State, police have said. In a news conference on Saturday morning, the attack was described as a "classic shooting rampage" and not terrorism. Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae said 18-year-old David Ali Sonboly's room had been searched, telling reporters: "Based on the searches, there are no indications whatsoever that there is a connection to Islamic State." Mr Andrae also said the German-Iranian attacker, who killed himself following the shootings, had "no link whatsoever to the topic of refugees".

During the search, investigators found literature about mass killings, including a book called: "Rampage in Head: Why Students Kill." "The perpetrator was obviously obsessed with the issue," Mr Andrae said. Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said: "The fifth anniversary of the Breivik massacre (in Norway) yesterday ought to be considered as a motivation." Police investigator Robert Heimberger said it appeared the teenager had hacked into a Facebook account and lured people to a shopping centre with an offer of free food.

The posting had been sent from a young woman's account. It urged people to arrive at the centre at 4pm, saying: "I'll give you something if you want, but not too expensive." Investigators said Sonboly, who was born and raised in Munich, had received psychiatric care and been treated for depression. Neighbours described him as a quiet, helpful teenager who liked playing video games. Prosecutors said he did not have a criminal record. He had no licence for the 9mm Glock pistol he carried along with 300 bullets in a backpack, which was examined by anti-terror robots. The handgun's serial number had been filed off.

Seven of the victims were teenagers, police said. Three of the nine killed were Turkish citizens, with a Greek man also among the dead. Of the 27 hurt, 10 were seriously injured. Four of those injured had gunshot wounds. Munich police witnessed Sonboly take his own life by shooting himself at 8.30pm local time, the police force said on Saturday. His body was found on a side street near the mall, about two-and-a-half hours after the assault. The gunman began shooting at a McDonald's restaurant in Hanauer Street near the Olympic Park, before moving to the Olympia-Einkaufszentrum mall.

MORE (http://news.sky.com/story/munich-teen-gunman-had-no-is-links-police-10510202)

[Mac-7]

Rammstein is no more "hitleresque" than you are. They are leftists by their own admission, and if you actually look at translations (or speak German of course) of their lyrics it seems to be true. The occasional use of NAZI symbolism is invariably satirical.

Remember, most of these guys grew up in East Germany and escaped to the West. Till Lindemann (front man) refused military service and was almost put in prison. Richard Kruspe (guitarist) was beaten by police for showing up at an anti-government political demonstration and subsequently fled East Germany. I think the idea that they're somehow in favor of fascism is kinda unlikely.

Fascism is very leftwing

yes I know "progressives" have been taught to think otherwise but they are wrong.

Fascism and communism are just two sides of the same big government, authoritarian, approach-to-life coin

[Mac-7]

Obsessed with mass shootings and the Breivik massacre in Norway...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_omg.gif
Munich Teen Gunman Had No IS Links - Police
24 July `16 - Police have described the attack as a "classic shooting rampage", saying the gunman had literature about mass killings.

So its only a mere coincidence that the gunman was a muslim?

nice try but that is unbelievable.

[kilgram]

So its only a mere coincidence that the gunman was a muslim?

nice try but that is unbelievable.
Most of American gunmen are Christians. Can we generalize that Christians are terrorist? Or it was just a coincidence.

I'm this case it was a coincidence. He was Iranian, victim of bullying and obsessed with mass murderers.

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[Oboe]

Most of American gunmen are Christians. Can we generalize that Christians are terrorist? Or it was just a coincidence.

I'm this case it was a coincidence. He was Iranian, victim of bullying and obsessed with mass murderers.

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Most of them are democrats too.

[Peter1469]

Looking like he was just a nut.

I wonder how he got the gun. I thought they didn't have a right to defend themselves in Germany.

[kilgram]

Looking like he was just a nut.

I wonder how he got the gun. I thought they didn't have a right to defend themselves in Germany.
Black market.

That is not so easy to get guns, it does not mean imposiible

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[Peter1469]

Black market.

That is not so easy to get guns, it does not mean imposiible

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Thanks.

[Mac-7]

Black market.

That is not so easy to get guns, it does not mean imposiible

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It cant be too hard if a "traumatized" muslim only 18 years old can arm himself in the midst of having a nervous breakdown.

[Crepitus]

Fascism is very leftwing

yes I know "progressives" have been taught to think otherwise but they are wrong.

Fascism and communism are just two sides of the same big government, authoritarian, approach-to-life coin
Yea yea whatever dude. We all know better.

[Peter1469]

Yea yea whatever dude. We all know better.


R = zero government
L = total government

add government as you move down the line....

[Mac-7]

Yea yea whatever dude. We all know better.

If you have bought into the liberal lies as you obviously have then you dont know better

[Crepitus]

R = zero government
L = total government

add government as you move down the line....
Sure Pete, lemme know when the American right starts to live up to that OK?

[Peter1469]

Sure Pete, lemme know when the American right starts to live up to that OK?


Too easy. If someone like, say Mac claims that they are "right" with my model you can call them a lair. He does like him some statism.

[Crepitus]

If you have bought into the liberal lies as you obviously have then you dont know better
It's always funny to hear things like this from the most thoroughly brainwashed members.

[Crepitus]

Too easy. If someone like, say Mac claims that they are "right" with my model you can call them a lair. He does like him some statism.
Mac is a pretty decent example of the typical American conservative so I'm thinking if we applied your model there would be maybe 6-7 people actually on "the right".

You say "Statist" like it's a bad thing.

So here's the deal with statism:
Power accumulates. If nothing is done to prevent it, some entity is going to accumulate power. Historically, the primary power centers have been religions, governments, paramilitary groups, and wealthy individuals/corporations.
And once one of those groups acquires power, they tend to be inclined to hold onto it. They will oppress individuals to ensure that their influence is not diminished.
Obviously, the optimal situation is to stop that from happening. You want each individual to have as much agency over their own life as possible. But people are generally awful to each other, and somebody is going to accumulate that sweet, sweet power.
Now look back over that list of entities that accumulate power. Which of them can have checks against that accumulation built in? The answer is, tragically governments. Governments tend to be the only one of these institutions that build opposition to themselves into their own structure. Nobody impeaches the pope. Nobody fires the board of directors. Nobody court martials the comondante.
So I generally lean towards letting the government be in charge of things. Because at the end of the day, I'd rather deal with the guy who has to fill out a requisition form before he can get the bullets to threaten me with.

[Peter1469]

Mac is a pretty decent example of the typical American conservative so I'm thinking if we applied your model there would be maybe 6-7 people actually on "the right".

You say "Statist" like it's a bad thing.

So here's the deal with statism:
Power accumulates. If nothing is done to prevent it, some entity is going to accumulate power. Historically, the primary power centers have been religions, governments, paramilitary groups, and wealthy individuals/corporations.
And once one of those groups acquires power, they tend to be inclined to hold onto it. They will oppress individuals to ensure that their influence is not diminished.
Obviously, the optimal situation is to stop that from happening. You want each individual to have as much agency over their own life as possible. But people are generally awful to each other, and somebody is going to accumulate that sweet, sweet power.
Now look back over that list of entities that accumulate power. Which of them can have checks against that accumulation built in? The answer is, tragically governments. Governments tend to be the only one of these institutions that build opposition to themselves into their own structure. Nobody impeaches the pope. Nobody fires the board of directors. Nobody court martials the comondante.
So I generally lean towards letting the government be in charge of things. Because at the end of the day, I'd rather deal with the guy who has to fill out a requisition form before he can get the bullets to threaten me with.



I prefer less State in my life.

Anyway, there are a lot of people that are on the right. Anarchists, libertarians, fiscal conservatives, etc.

Then there are people who demand government micromanagement of their lives for one reason or another.

[Crepitus]

I prefer less State in my life.

Anyway, there are a lot of people that are on the right. Anarchists, libertarians, fiscal conservatives, etc.

Then there are people who demand government micromanagement of their lives for one reason or another.
Lol, Mac is a fiscal conservative, and even anarchists and libertarians want hot showers and stocked up grocery stores.

[Peter1469]

Lol, Mac is a fiscal conservative, and even anarchists and libertarians want hot showers and stocked up grocery stores.

I had not thought the concept was hard.

R = zero government
L = total government.

That is not the end of the story. Maybe what got you lost though.

There is a line between the two points. A very long one.

Add government _________________________________________________a s you move left.

[Mac-7]

Too easy. If someone like, say Mac claims that they are "right" with my model you can call them a lair. He does like him some statism.

Spoken like a true fallen republican.

I dont think I'm very statist at all.

[Crepitus]

I had not thought the concept was hard.

R = zero government
L = total government.

That is not the end of the story. Maybe what got you lost though.

There is a line between the two points. A very long one.

Add government _________________________________________________a s you move left.
I'm not lost Pete, your model doesn't work for American politics.

[kilgram]

R = zero government
L = total government

add government as you move down the line....
A = Total government
L = Zero government.
Move down the line as you remove government.

[kilgram]

I had not thought the concept was hard.

R = zero government
L = total government.

That is not the end of the story. Maybe what got you lost though.

There is a line between the two points. A very long one.

Add government _________________________________________________a s you move left.
It is absolutely wrong and you know that.

Or are you implying that Reagan, Bush, Nixon,... were leftist, too? Because they liked government, too :)

And if we had to agree with your graphic, am I far right? Interesting xD