This Picture just doesn't fit some people's the narrative ... why is that?

[Cigar]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/278767/story_image/1024px-Barack_Obama_family_portrait_2011.jpg?1469540079

What is it that bothers some people? What's so different than the Trump family?

Now obviously if this doesn't bother "you" then question isn't for you.

[Oboe]

You are just pretending to be stupid, aren't you? I mean, really?

[Standing Wolf]

Looks fine to me. How would you describe this "narrative" you don't think the photo is in line with?

[zelmo1234]

What is wrong with the picture.

Other than Clearly (according to Democrats) Obama wants to sleep with his daughter :)

I have said several times that I believe that the Obama's are very good parents and they should be role models for what a family should be in the Black community

However; He has been a terrible President with his foreign and domestic policies, have been a complete and total failure, that has made it harder for families and a more dangerous world.

That does not make him a bad father too.

[zelmo1234]

Looks fine to me. How would you describe this "narrative" you don't think the photo is in line with?

Cigar is still under the impression that the only possible reason that you could disagree with anyone, on any issue is the color of their skin.

[Oboe]

The two girls don't look anything alike.

[Oboe]

Looks fine to me. How would you describe this "narrative" you don't think the photo is in line with?

He want's someone to say something about them being black, etc., so he can race bait more.

[Private Pickle]

I dunno...maybe it has something to do with:


In an independent study (http://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=7741060690971021030270260190900140 65099038066037028071088064099088127006089021112076 00701102705602000604208402300209810912608204800805 90120611070010840170780280810230420390131030730040 23005005116024114002090072109125026003092073014123 093001087015103029&EXT=pdf) on the Social Science Research Network “Examining the Birth Trends, Family Structure, Economic Standing, Paternal Relationships, and Emotional Stability of Biracial Children with African American Fathers,” Tiffany Calloway, B.S. J.M, claimed “92% of biracial children with African American fathers are born out of wedlock and 82% end up on government assistance.”

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/10/study-claims-92-of-biracial-children-with-black-dads-are-born-out-of-wedlock/

But let me guess...I'm racist...

[Mac-7]

You are just pretending to be stupid, aren't you? I mean, really?

I have to agree that cigar pulled that one out of his ass.

maybe he is better off borrowing his thoughts and words from the professional lib wackos at huffpo than trying to use his own words

[exotix]

I see a nuclear family ... Trumps' family/children were from 3 different moms ... LOL

[hanger4]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/278767/story_image/1024px-Barack_Obama_family_portrait_2011.jpg?1469540079

What is it that bothers some people? What's so different than the Trump family?

Now obviously if this doesn't bother "you" then question isn't for you.

Are you 'baiting' Cigar ??

[hanger4]

I see a nuclear family ... Trumps' family/children were from 3 different moms ... LOL

Blended families are a bad thing exo ??

[Bethere]

Blended families are a bad thing exo ??

"Til death do us part."

[exotix]

Blended families are a bad thing exo ??Depends ... seems Wasilla HillBilly-ish ... LOL

[hanger4]

"Til death do us part."

Works for me (43 years) but not for all.

What do you have against blended families ??

[Bethere]

Works for me (43 years) but not for all.

What do you have against blended families ??

Not a thing as long as the couple doesn't preach about the sanctity of marriage.

I am reminded of the motley crew of child molesters, drug addicts, and serial divorcees who sat in judgement of Bill Clinton.

[hanger4]

Depends ... seems Wasilla HillBilly-ish ... LOL

Depends on what exo ?? is it only because you think it's a bash Trump moment ?? do you condem all blended families ?? or just when you think it's politically expedient ??

[hanger4]

Not a thing as long as the couple doesn't preach about the sanctity of marriage.

I am reminded of the motley crew of child molesters, drug addicts, and serial divorcees who sat in judgement of Bill Clinton.

To bad the Senate thought perjury by a sitting President was okey dokey, reguardless of their personal picadillos.

[exotix]

Depends on what exo ?? is it only because you think it's a bash Trump moment ?? do you condem all blended families ?? or just when you think it's politically expedient ??I'll let you know when Trump releases his Tax Returns ... LOL

[Bethere]

To bad the Senate thought perjury by a sitting President was okey dokey, reguardless of their personal picadillos.


"Too."

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[hanger4]

I'll let you know when Trump releases his Tax Returns ... LOL

Jokes on you exo, deflection never was your strong suit.

[hanger4]

"Too."

Diversion

[Bethere]

Diversion

Hastert hopes to get diversion instead of hard time for child molestation and paying hush money.

[hanger4]

Hastert hopes to get diversion instead of hard time for child molestation and paying hush money.

You and exo should take deflection classes. Y'all really suc at.it.

Hey maybe as twofer you might even get a discount.

[Bethere]

You and exo should take deflection classes. Y'all really suc at.it.

Hey maybe as twofer you might even get a discount.

It's ok if you disagree with us. We can't force you to be right.

[hanger4]

It's ok if you disagree with us. We can't force you to be right.

Aaaaaah, how sad, you're on empty again.

[Bethere]

Aaaaaah, how sad, you're on empty again.

Thomas Jefferson welcomes a new foster child to his extended family:

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[Ethereal]

Thomas Jefferson welcomes a new foster child to his extended family:

At least you are forthcoming with your disdain for the founding fathers. Many other socialists pretend to like them while working to undermine their liberal legacy.

[Ethereal]

Other than Clearly (according to Democrats) Obama wants to sleep with his daughter :)

Yea, good point. Anyone who lets their daughter sit on their lap while putting their arm around their waste is clearly fantasizing about an incestuous relationship.

[Ethereal]

Remember when Obama threatened the Jonas brothers with a drone strike if they went near his daughters?

His message was clear: Hands off, they're mine!

[hanger4]

Thomas Jefferson welcomes a new foster child to his extended family:

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:spacecraft:


Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life left in this thread.

[Bethere]

At least you are forthcoming with your disdain for the founding fathers. Many other socialists pretend to like them while working to undermine their liberal legacy.

If the founding fathers were such geniuses then explain slavery and the articles of confederation.

[decedent]

"Til death do us part."

"Variety is the spice of life."

[Bethere]

:spacecraft:


Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life left in this thread.
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[Ethereal]

If the founding fathers were such geniuses then explain slavery...

Well, first of all, not all the founding fathers owned slaves. So there's that.

Secondly, many who owned slaves emancipated their slaves, spoke out against slavery, enacted policies that made the institution more humane, and generally promoted abolitionist ideology.

Thirdly, slavery predated the founding fathers for thousands and thousands of years. Many people act like the founding fathers invented slavery. How about a little historical perspective?

I could go on at length about the nuanced relationship between the founders and slavery. It's a complex legacy.


...and the articles of confederation.

The articles of confederation were not perfect, but neither is the US Constitution. The assumption (and that's all it really is) that the articles of confederation were some horrible disaster is a total exaggeration, a point raised by many prominent anti-federalists like Patrick Henry at the time of the debates.

[Bethere]

"Variety is the spice of life."

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[Bethere]

Well, first of all, not all the founding fathers owned slaves. So there's that.

Secondly, many who owned slaves emancipated their slaves, spoke out against slavery, enacted policies that made the institution more humane, and generally promoted abolitionist ideology.

Thirdly, slavery predated the founding fathers for thousands and thousands of years. Many people act like the founding fathers invented slavery. How about a little historical perspective?

I could go on at length about the nuanced relationship between the founders and slavery. It's a complex legacy.



The articles of confederation were not perfect, but neither is the US Constitution. The assumption (and that's all it really is) that the articles of confederation were some horrible disaster is a total exaggeration, a point raised by many prominent anti-federalists like Patrick Henry at the time of the debates.


You are such an apologist.

[Ethereal]

You are such an apologist.

If stating historical facts makes me an apologist, then guilty as charged.

[Bethere]

If stating historical facts makes me an apologist, then guilty as charged.

The articles made it impossible to pay off our revolutionary war debts, issue currency, defend ourselves, have uniform laws, and set up courts. And of course, there was no president or even separation of powers.

Other than that? Yeah, the articles rocked.

There were 2 types of founders:

1. Slave owners,
2. Slave owner enablers.

The geniuses were the folks who wrote the northwest ordinance--Nathan Dane and Rufus King.

Please make a note of it.

Have a great day.

[Standing Wolf]

Cigar...?

Cigar...?

Where are you?

http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M65c1dd5af91aa8c8a48c09300101b6e9o0&pid=15.1

[Ethereal]

The articles made it impossible to pay off our revolutionary war debts...

Simply not true. There were some defaults on payments to France, but other loans were being repaid, especially to the Dutch who extended new lines of credit to the US in 1787 and 1788.


...issue currency...

America had already had a robust market of private currencies. And it would stay that way until 1913 when the federal government effectively monopolized money in America.


...defend ourselves...

Yet somehow we managed to defeat the British empire.


...have uniform laws...

Uniformity is the death of diversity. In some instances, uniformity can be a very good thing. Turning America into a big free trade zone, for example. But uniformity purely for its own sake is dangerous and utopian. It needs to have a firm basis in reason and democratic consensus before it can be rationalized.


...and set up courts.

There were state and local courts and private arbitration and mediation.


Other than that? Yeah, the articles rocked.

Many of the things you cite as weaknesses were actually strengths, and the things that really were weaknesses are largely exaggerated.


There were 2 types of founders:

1. Slave owners,
2. Slave owner enablers.

Have a great day.

How did someone like Thomas Paine enable slave owners, exactly?

If you hate the founding fathers so much, then why are you so enamored of their Federal Constitution?

[Subdermal]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/278767/story_image/1024px-Barack_Obama_family_portrait_2011.jpg?1469540079

What is it that bothers some people? What's so different than the Trump family?

Now obviously if this doesn't bother "you" then question isn't for you.

:facepalm:

What's different has nothing to do with appearance. Has nothing to do with race.

It is has to do with ideology.

Why do you refuse to consider that?

[Subdermal]

Not a thing as long as the couple doesn't preach about the sanctity of marriage.

I am reminded of the motley crew of child molesters, drug addicts, and serial divorcees who sat in judgement of Bill Clinton.

WTF does the message of sanctity of marriage have to do with the source of the message?

Do words suddenly change meaning based upon who utters them?

Does a drug addict not have any gravitas in pleading that drugs are bad?

[Bethere]

If you hate the founding fathers so much, then why are you so enamored of their Federal Constitution?

Who said I hate them? Please provide a link to where I said such a thing and list it below.

Never speak on my behalf, you aren't a strong enough writer to pull it off.

Why is it that you and hanger4 insist on alluding to false quotes that you created on my behalf so that you can torch them and pretend that somehow you showed me up?

Finally, I am not enamored with the constitution. Make sure you list quotes below where I said that as well.

Your words are never an adequate substitute for mine.

The Constitution is the document upon which our system and laws are based. I appreciate it for that and also the notion that it is a living document that was adjusted over the centuries to be more fair and more timely.

The founders were sharp enough to build that feature into the document--but they also wrote the articles of confederation which proves beyond all doubt that they weren't geniuses.

[Subdermal]

The articles made it impossible to pay off our revolutionary war debts, issue currency, defend ourselves, have uniform laws, and set up courts. And of course, there was no president or even separation of powers.

Other than that? Yeah, the articles rocked.

There were 2 types of founders:

1. Slave owners,
2. Slave owner enablers.

The geniuses were the folks who wrote the northwest ordinance--Nathan Dane and Rufus King.

Please make a note of it.

Have a great day.

I am on page 4 in this thread. My prediction: in the next page, Ethereal is going to break off his foot in your ass. You are woefully ill-equipped to engage in a debate with him.

[Bethere]

I am on page 4 in this thread. My prediction: in the next page, @Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) is going to break off his foot in your ass. You are woefully ill-equipped to engage in a debate with him.

If ethereal is the great white hope for the right wingers on this forum then you are more doomed than I thought!

[Subdermal]

If ethereal is the great white hope for the right wingers on this forum then you are more doomed than I thought!

Oh, make no mistake here. I respect Ethereal, as he's a guy with solid convictions and the intellect to defend them.

But you couldn't debate yourself out of a wet paper bag - and you're a sock to boot.

[Bethere]

Oh, make no mistake here. I respect Ethereal, as he's a guy with solid convictions and the intellect to defend them.

But you couldn't debate yourself out of a wet paper bag - and you're a sock to boot.

He, like you, are no match for the master.

You are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

I have spoken.

[Ethereal]

Who said I hate them? Please provide a link to where I said such a thing and list it below.

Never speak on my behalf, you aren't a strong enough writer to pull it off.

Why is it that you and hanger4 insist on alluding to false quotes that you created on my behalf so that you can torch them and pretend that somehow you showed me up?

Finally, I am not enamored with the constitution. Make sure you list quotes below where I said that as well.

Your words are never an adequate substitute for mine.

You have a really high opinion of yourself, like most leftwing authoritarians. Always bragging about yourself. Does it make you feel better?

Anyway, you've been disparaging and maligning the founders apropos nothing. In my experience, randomly lashing out others is a sign of hate.

If you're saying you don't hate them, then fine. But your treatment of them is a sign of extreme disrespect at the very least. It's also very simplistic.


The Constitution is the document upon which our system and laws are based. I appreciate it for that and also the notion that it is a living document that was adjusted over the centuries to be more fair and more timely.

The founders were sharp enough to build that feature into the document--but they also wrote the articles of confederation which proves beyond all doubt that they weren't geniuses.

You haven't actually demonstrated that the articles of confederation were a bad idea. You just regurgitate conventional wisdom in the form of assertions, some of them factually wrong on their face.

For example, you claim the articles made it "impossible" to pay back debts. That is just plain wrong. You present yourself as this knowledgeable person and you can't even get basic facts right.

And how is the constitution a "living document", exactly?

[Ethereal]

If ethereal is the great white hope for the right wingers on this forum then you are more doomed than I thought!

Weren't you just whining about other people putting words in your mouth?

[Ethereal]

He, like you, are no match for the master.

You are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

I have spoken.

Calls himself the master, accuses another poster of delusions of grandeur.

Funny stuff.

[Bethere]

Calls himself the master, accuses another poster of delusions of grandeur.

Funny stuff.

Awesome burn!

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[Bethere]

You have a really high opinion of yourself, like most leftwing authoritarians. Always bragging about yourself. Does it make you feel better?

Anyway, you've been disparaging and maligning the founders apropos nothing. In my experience, randomly lashing out others is a sign of hate.

If you're saying you don't hate them, then fine. But your treatment of them is a sign of extreme disrespect at the very least. It's also very simplistic.



You haven't actually demonstrated that the articles of confederation were a bad idea. You just regurgitate conventional wisdom in the form of assertions, some of them factually wrong on their face.

For example, you claim the articles made it "impossible" to pay back debts. That is just plain wrong. You present yourself as this knowledgeable person and you can't even get basic facts right.

And how is the constitution a "living document", exactly?

Demonstrate to me that you are an honest debate partner and I would gladly revisit your arguments in depth. I don't view your education as one of my responsibilities.

[Ethereal]

Demonstrate to me that you are an honest debate partner and I would gladly revisit your arguments in depth. I don't view your education as one of my responsibilities.

I don't care about your opinion of me, nor do I care if you produce a rebuttal to my arguments.

[Bethere]

I don't care about your opinion of me, nor do I care if you produce a rebuttal to my arguments.

The important thing is that you got a chance to interact with me.

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[Mac-7]

Calls himself the master, accuses another poster of delusions of grandeur.

Funny stuff.

He's just looking for attention and you give it to him.

[hanger4]

Demonstrate to me that you are an honest debate partner and I would gladly revisit your arguments in depth. I don't view your education as one of my responsibilities.
Bethere Ethereal

http://thepoliticalforums.com/forums/52-The-One-on-One-Debate-Room

A good place to 'demonstrate' don't ya think ?? No distractions, just one on one.

[Truth Detector]

Not a thing as long as the couple doesn't preach about the sanctity of marriage.

I am reminded of the motley crew of child molesters, drug addicts, and serial divorcees who sat in judgement of Bill Clinton.

When did Trump preach about the sanctity of marriage? How is preaching about the sanctity of marriage wrong if the person preaching about it doesn't abide by it?

You liberals are very confused hypocrites.

[Bethere]

When did Trump preach about the sanctity of marriage? How is preaching about the sanctity of marriage wrong if the person preaching about it doesn't abide by it?

You liberals are very confused hypocrites.

Donald Trump Says He'll Keep Attacking Hillary Clinton's Marriage on the Campaign Trail
https://mic.com/articles/142970/donald-trump-says-he-ll-keep-attacking-hillary-clinton-s-marriage-on-the-campaign-trail#.vf214dwMZ

[Cigar]

Looks like the Fishing Good ... :laugh:

[Bethere]

Looks like the Fishing Good ... :laugh:

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[Bethere]

I am on page 4 in this thread. My prediction: in the next page, @Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) is going to break off his foot in your ass. You are woefully ill-equipped to engage in a debate with him.

How did your prediction work out precious?

[nic34]

Looks like the Fishing Good ... :laugh:

That's what I thought, trolling right? You catch any?

[Bethere]

That's what I thought, trolling right? You catch any?

I don't know about my friend, Cigar, but I caught the bestest Republican in the pond!

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[Subdermal]

How did your prediction work out precious?

You don't give a sh!t, so I figure that foot is still stuck in there.

[Bethere]

You don't give a sh!t, so I figure that foot is still stuck in there.

Did I get under your skin, subdermal?



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