270 To Win: Predicting the 2016 Outcome

[Green Arrow]

So, there's a site called 270towin.com that provides an interactive map of all fifty states and their electoral college votes. You can make the state red, blue, or toss-up, and for Maine and Nebraska it reflects the reality that the state's electoral votes could be split. When you first go to it, it automatically gives Clinton 217 electoral votes to Trump's 191, reflecting the fact that those are the states that are 99.99% certainly going red or blue. It leaves the swing states of Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida as toss-ups.

My own personal map gives Hillary 294 to Trump's 244, giving Hillary the 270 she needs to win the presidency but not much more than that. I gave the previously-mentioned battleground states as follows: Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire for Hillary and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina for Trump. I also gave Hillary Arkansas.

All of this is subject to change as the election progresses, of course, but this is the most likely scenario to me. Make your own predictions!

My prediction map (http://www.270towin.com/maps/JR4nL)

States for Hillary:
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

States for Trump:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming

[Bethere]

Hillary Clinton: 366.

[Peter1469]

Not likely. Independents will determine the election. And independents won't pick a piece of shit as described by Director Comey.

She is a blackmail risk.

[Bethere]

Not likely. Independents will determine the election. And independents won't pick a piece of $#@! as described by Director Comey.

She is a blackmail risk.

You should know that I am a professional, who when I made my pick 2 years in advance for 2012 i stuck with my prediction and nailed it.

Nate Silver did the same, but he guessed the morning of the election.

The members of the forum thought my guess was hilarious and openly held a "better than bethere contest. "

No one was, and as you will see over time here, few ever are.

Let's see your pick, son.

[Peter1469]

You should know that I am a professional, who when I made my pick 2 years in advance for 2012 i stuck with my prediction and nailed it.

Nate Silver did the same, but he guessed the morning of the election.

The members of the forum thought my guess was hilarious and openly held a "better than bethere contest. "

No one was, and as you will see over time here, few ever are.

Let's see your pick, son.


I think we will see record low turnouts for democrats. I think we will see record high turnouts for republicans.

I am likely voting third party. I think the two main parties are one corrupt mass.

[Green Arrow]

Not likely. Independents will determine the election. And independents won't pick a piece of shit as described by Director Comey.

She is a blackmail risk.

The trouble is Trump is a piece of shit, too.

Besides, she doesn't need a high popular vote count to win the states (and, thus, electoral votes) I gave her.

[Green Arrow]

Hillary Clinton: 366.

How did you get to 366?

[Peter1469]

The trouble is Trump is a piece of shit, too.

Besides, she doesn't need a high popular vote count to win the states (and, thus, electoral votes) I gave her.

I don't support Trump.

[Green Arrow]

I don't support Trump.

I know you don't.

[Tahuyaman]

Not likely. Independents will determine the election. And independents won't pick a piece of $#@! as described by Director Comey.

She is a blackmail risk.

I'm sorry to to say that in spite of her obvious and well known character flaws, we are going to be saddled with a Hillary Clinton administration For the ext four years. She may destroy what is left of the Democratic party, but that's a separate issue.

[Bethere]

How did you get to 366?

A fine question!

I'll answer it after more posters lock in their answers. I am here first to win, and educating my opponents will have to wait until after they commit.

But I like you, and I like your spirit.

A short answer might be "don't forget about Nebraska. "

[Peter1469]

I'm sorry to to say that in spite of her obvious and well known character flaws, we are going to be saddled with a Hillary Clinton administration For the ext four years. She may destroy what is left of the Democratic party, but that's a separate issue.

The question is status quo or nationalism.

Brexit surprised the world too.

[Bethere]

I think we will see record low turnouts for democrats. I think we will see record high turnouts for republicans.

I am likely voting third party. I think the two main parties are one corrupt mass.

Be a hero and make a pick!

Thanks!

Maybe you will be the one who is better than bethere!

[AZ Jim]

325 Hillary but I played it safe. I'll stick with my number.

[maineman]

I think we will see record low turnouts for democrats. I think we will see record high turnouts for republicans.

I am likely voting third party. I think the two main parties are one corrupt mass.

but yet you avoided answering the question.

odd, that.

[TrueBlue]

So, there's a site called 270towin.com that provides an interactive map of all fifty states and their electoral college votes. You can make the state red, blue, or toss-up, and for Maine and Nebraska it reflects the reality that the state's electoral votes could be split. When you first go to it, it automatically gives Clinton 217 electoral votes to Trump's 191, reflecting the fact that those are the states that are 99.99% certainly going red or blue. It leaves the swing states of Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida as toss-ups.

My own personal map gives Hillary 294 to Trump's 244, giving Hillary the 270 she needs to win the presidency but not much more than that. I gave the previously-mentioned battleground states as follows: Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire for Hillary and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina for Trump. I also gave Hillary Arkansas.

All of this is subject to change as the election progresses, of course, but this is the most likely scenario to me. Make your own predictions!

My prediction map (http://www.270towin.com/maps/JR4nL)

States for Hillary:
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

States for Trump:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming
During the primaries the State of Texas went solidly to Hillary Clinton one must not forget! She trumped Trump in Texas and may even go on to win that state again in the general election given that Texas is slated as going blue again before long!

[Bethere]

During the primaries the State of Texas went solidly to Hillary Clinton one must not forget! She trumped Trump in Texas and may even go on to win that state again in the general election given that Texas is slated as going blue again before long!

Texas was, like, +15 for Romney in 2012.

If it were half that with cruz people sitting out, and both bushes campaigning actively for Hillary it could happen.

But, sadly it won't.

[Green Arrow]

During the primaries the State of Texas went solidly to Hillary Clinton one must not forget! She trumped Trump in Texas and may even go on to win that state again in the general election given that Texas is slated as going blue again before long!

She didn't "trump Trump" in Texas, they weren't competing against each other. If you think Texas is going blue in November, you are delusional.

[Peter1469]

Be a hero and make a pick!

Thanks!

Maybe you will be the one who is better than bethere!

I won't make a pick until vote time. I want 3rd party.

[Green Arrow]

325 Hillary but I played it safe. I'll stick with my number.

How did you get to 325?

[Bethere]

I won't make a pick until vote time. I want 3rd party.

Cool, but what you want shouldn't affect your calculus.

If it does I will beat you like a drum.

Empiricism's where it is at!

[Docthehun]

Hillary Clinton: 366.

I'd have to see your math, but I suspect you added Ohio to the Hillary list. Old John (I know you're not as fond of him as I) is pretty damn popular and Trump alienated many Ohioans by his caustic remarks. In keeping with his MO, the Ohio delegation was relegated to the worst seats in the house at last week's convention.

You are really good at this and if you remember, you had at least one RINO (:smiley:), as much as he hated it, give you the "he's got it right" award. Dan, on the other hand, never posted again (until he reemerged as Shaun).

Carry on! Good times.

[Bethere]

Dan, on the other hand, never posted again (until he reemerged as Shaun).

Carry on! Good times.
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[Peter1469]

If it does I will beat you like a drum.



No you won't.

[Tahuyaman]

The question is status quo or nationalism.

Brexit surprised the world too.

I don't believe most people consider nationalism vs globalism. Some do, but that's over the head of the voters Hillary attracts.

The only reason she is going to win the election is because the media will be successful in their mission to portray Trump as a man who is mentally unstable and will launch a nuclear attack on a whim.

As if that's even possible.

[Peter1469]

I don't believe most people consider nationalism vs globalism. Some do, but that's over the head of the voters Hillary attracts.

The only reason she is going to win the election is because the media will be successful in their mission to portray Trump as a man who is mentally unstable and will launch a nuclear attack on a whim.

As if that's even possible.

People may not think globalism and nationalism. But they react to it. The counter movements to the status quo are nationalist. The status quo is the march towards globalism.

[MisterVeritis]

I'm sorry to to say that in spite of her obvious and well known character flaws, we are going to be saddled with a Hillary Clinton administration For the next four years. She may destroy what is left of the Democratic party, but that's a separate issue.
You might be confused. If Crooked Hillary wins we will be saddled with her for the next 40 years. Not four. She will pick Supreme Court Justice that will overturn the remaining portions of the Constitution.

And then we shall have our splendid little revolution.

[maineman]

I don't believe most people consider nationalism vs globalism. Some do, but that's over the head of the voters Hillary attracts.

The only reason she is going to win the election is because the media will be successful in their mission to portray Trump as a man who is mentally unstable and will launch a nuclear attack on a whim.

As if that's even possible.

why would it not be possible?

Do you really want to be led by a man who truly believes that HE ALONE can fix America?

You're ex-Army. Does it sit well with you when a real estate mogul and reality TV star claims to know more about ISIS than our generals do?

[Tahuyaman]

You might be confused. If Crooked Hillary wins we will be saddled with her for the next 40 years. Not four. She will pick Supreme Court Justice that will overturn the remaining portions of the Constitution.

And then we shall have our splendid little revolution.

You are right in the sense that a president's decisions can have an impact for generations, but that can be mitigated by future presidents.

[Truth Detector]

So, there's a site called 270towin.com that provides an interactive map of all fifty states and their electoral college votes. You can make the state red, blue, or toss-up, and for Maine and Nebraska it reflects the reality that the state's electoral votes could be split. When you first go to it, it automatically gives Clinton 217 electoral votes to Trump's 191, reflecting the fact that those are the states that are 99.99% certainly going red or blue. It leaves the swing states of Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida as toss-ups.

My own personal map gives Hillary 294 to Trump's 244, giving Hillary the 270 she needs to win the presidency but not much more than that. I gave the previously-mentioned battleground states as follows: Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire for Hillary and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina for Trump. I also gave Hillary Arkansas.

All of this is subject to change as the election progresses, of course, but this is the most likely scenario to me. Make your own predictions!

My prediction map (http://www.270towin.com/maps/JR4nL)

States for Hillary:
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

States for Trump:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming

The flaw in your math is assuming that Hillary will carry Florida and Virginia. Ohio is the key to the White House door; you got that one correct.

[Truth Detector]

Hillary Clinton: 366.

:rofl: Hysterical.

[Truth Detector]

I'm sorry to to say that in spite of her obvious and well known character flaws, we are going to be saddled with a Hillary Clinton administration For the ext four years. She may destroy what is left of the Democratic party, but that's a separate issue.

I predict you will be wrong. Just sayin. ;)

[Chloe]

The flaw in your math is assuming that Hillary will carry Florida and Virginia. Ohio is the key to the White House door; you got that one correct.

Don't be an asshole. It's just his opinion. There is no correct or incorrect yet since the election is in November. It's ALL just opinion.

[Truth Detector]

325 Hillary but I played it safe. I'll stick with my number.

:rofl:

[Truth Detector]

The flaw in your math is assuming that Hillary will carry Florida and Virginia. Ohio is the key to the White House door; you got that one correct.


Don't be an $#@!. It's just his opinion. There is no correct or incorrect yet since the election is in November. It's ALL just opinion.

Dear Chloe; how is the above being an a$$??? Good lord woman, take a Zanac or something.

[Private Pickle]

Don't be an asshole. It's just his opinion. There is no correct or incorrect yet since the election is in November. It's ALL just opinion.

Sorry but it looks to me like you're calling him an asshole for no reason. He just responded to the question... So in other words...stop being an asshole...

[Private Pickle]

Dear Chloe; how is the above being an a$$??? Good lord woman, take a Zanac or something.

Now Chloe this was an asshole worthy remark...

[Oboe]

How did you get to 366?

Like they always come to a conclusion.

[Truth Detector]

I love that map tool; my prediction is this:

TRUMP = 279

Hillary = 259

I think I was being very generous by leaving Virginia in the Hillary column.

[Tahuyaman]

I predict you will be wrong. Just sayin. ;)

Let me preface this by saying that I am completely repulsed by Hillary Clinton in every way possible. I would vote for a name randomly selected from and old phone book before I'd vote for her, but.........

I can't figure out why some people believe Donald Trump has any shot at beating her in a national election? With all of her negatives, the only candidate more disrespected and disliked than her is Donald Trump.

[Chloe]

Dear Chloe; how is the above being an a$$??? Good lord woman, take a Zanac or something.


Sorry but it looks to me like you're calling him an asshole for no reason. He just responded to the question... So in other words...stop being an asshole...


Now @Chloe (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=565) this was an asshole worthy remark...

I read his comments as being purposefully condescending towards green arrows predictions. If I was wrong then I don't have any excuse and I'm sorry.

[Private Pickle]

I read his comments as being purposefully condescending towards green arrows predictions. If I was wrong then I don't have any excuse and I'm sorry.

Well there is that...and there is the fact that you're not the forum "kindness" police. Best not to get caught up in all that.

[Tahuyaman]

The flaw in your math is assuming that Hillary will carry Florida and Virginia. Ohio is the key to the White House door; you got that one correct.


Don't be an $#@!. It's just his opinion. There is no correct or incorrect yet since the election is in November. It's ALL just opinion.


You really overreached on that one. His response was not rude or obnoxious in any way. Yours was though.

[Truth Detector]

Let me preface this by saying that I am completely repulsed by Hillary Clinton in every way possible. I would vote for a name randomly selected from and old phone book before I'd vote for her, but.........

I can't figure out why some people believe Donald Trump has any shot at beating her in a national election? With all of her negatives, the only candidate more disrespected and disliked than her is Donald Trump.

I will try to answer this for you; because many like me, cannot think of a Hillary Presidency so we will hold our noses and pull the lever for Trump. You see, even Trump is better than Hillary or Obama or any combination.

Secondly, I have heard a LOT of anecdotal evidence from individuals who have been life long Democrats and/or libertarian leanings who like the man and say they will be voting for him.

As has been noted; I think MANY are underestimating the real anger many are feeling and who may not say who they are voting for. These people will be voting for Trump.

[Chloe]

Well there is that...and there is the fact that you're not the forum "kindness" police. Best not to get caught up in all that.


You really overreached on that one. His response was not rude or obnoxious in any way. Yours was though.

point taken, I'm sorry. Truth Detector, I'm sorry.

[Truth Detector]

I read his comments as being purposefully condescending towards green arrows predictions. If I was wrong then I don't have any excuse and I'm sorry.

Please parse out the condescending remarks: The flaw in your math is assuming that Hillary will carry Florida and Virginia. Ohio is the key to the White House door; you got that one correct.

Perhaps I should have started the statement with "I think" for the thought police?? [shrugs]

Green Arrow and I may differ in political philosophy to some extent, but I don't have any reason to be mean or condescending to him. What has he ever done to me???

You need to set aside those liberal colored reading glasses. ;)

[Truth Detector]

point taken, I'm sorry. Truth Detector, I'm sorry.

No need for an apology; I can take it and dished it right back. We're even!!! :laugh:

[Tahuyaman]

Let me preface this by saying that I am completely repulsed by Hillary Clinton in every way possible. I would vote for a name randomly selected from and old phone book before I'd vote for her, but.........

I can't figure out why some people believe Donald Trump has any shot at beating her in a national election? With all of her negatives, the only candidate more disrespected and disliked than her is Donald Trump.


I will try to answer this for you; because many like me, cannot think of a Hillary Presidency so we will hold our noses and pull the lever for Trump. You see, even Trump is better than Hillary or Obama or any combination.

Secondly, I have heard a LOT of anecdotal evidence from individuals who have been life long Democrats and/or libertarian leanings who like the man and say they will be voting for him.

As has been noted; I think MANY are underestimating the real anger many are feeling and who may not say who they are voting for. These people will be voting for Trump.

Yes there are a lot of people who are not happy with the direction our country is going, but facts are facts.

As distrusted and disrespected as Hillary Clinton is, the only candidate with more negatives than her is Donald Trump. This is a fact.

[Bethere]

point taken, I'm sorry. @Truth Detector (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1783), I'm sorry.

Stand up for yourself, Chloe!

[Bethere]

:rofl: Hysterical.

See you on election night.

My prediction?

You will be saying, "we never win because we never run a true conservative. "

[Cigar]

http://orig07.deviantart.net/3997/f/2016/147/3/0/trump_toast_by_nitwulf-da3ysjc.png (http://nitwulf.deviantart.com/art/Trump-Toast-611323896)

[zelmo1234]

You should know that I am a professional, who when I made my pick 2 years in advance for 2012 i stuck with my prediction and nailed it.

Nate Silver did the same, but he guessed the morning of the election.

The members of the forum thought my guess was hilarious and openly held a "better than bethere contest. "

No one was, and as you will see over time here, few ever are.

Let's see your pick, son.

That and 50 cents will get you on the bus

[Bethere]

That and 50 cents will get you on the bus

Go ahead, I've heard it before. They were printing, "better than bethere" t-shirts in 2012 until it was discovered that no one was.

It wouldn't be any fun for me if my opponents weren't thoroughly committed before the big show.

WE HAVE YOUR PROJECTION ALREADY, RIGHT?

Don't forfeit the chance to make me look bad.

[zelmo1234]

Go ahead, I've heard it before. They were printing, "better than bethere" t-shirts in 2012 until it was discovered that no one was.

It wouldn't be any fun for me if my opponents weren't thoroughly committed before the big show.

WE HAVE YOUR PROJECTION ALREADY, RIGHT?

Don't forfeit the chance to make me look bad.

I still think that Johnson takes enough votes to give Hillary Florida and she wins by less that 10 electoral votes.

I am so sure of it, I am getting the paperwork drawn up to sell my companies to have offshore holding company.

Might as well get the Tax breaks why I can get them.

[Green Arrow]

The flaw in your math is assuming that Hillary will carry Florida and Virginia. Ohio is the key to the White House door; you got that one correct.

That's why it's a prediction, based on the likliest scenario (in my opinion).

[Green Arrow]

I love that map tool; my prediction is this:

TRUMP = 279

Hillary = 259

I think I was being very generous by leaving Virginia in the Hillary column.

How did you get to that number? Just curious.

[Green Arrow]

Truth Detector, I'm going to follow up and explain why I gave Hillary Virginia and Florida and why I gave Trump Ohio and Pennsylvania, I'm just at work and on my phone at the moment. Didn't want you to think I was snubbing you.

[Chris]

Cigar has been banned at the request of the OP, Green Arrow. Please do not respond to Cigar any further in this thread. If you have questions contact the OP of this tPF thread.

[Bethere]

So, I guess that my friend cigar is toast?


I still think that Johnson takes enough votes to give Hillary Florida and she wins by less that 10 electoral votes. I am so sure of it, I am getting the paperwork drawn up to sell my companies to have offshore holding company. Might as well get the Tax breaks why I can get them.

Make a call!

Pick a number between 270 and 274.

[PolWatch]

This year is providing a lot of evidence that its time to have more than 2 major parties which is the only positive I can think of for 2016. The GOP started with everything going for them and proceeded to shoot off their feet. They have ignored the real problems and the the opportunity to present some real conservative policies. They insisted on turning the election into a joke. Everyone knew that Clinton would be given the nomination as reward for years of party loyalty. They knew they would be competing against a wounded & weak candidate. When we have problems facing the economy, they implement a platform that seems to worry more about porn than pork? They rally around a reality TV star & applaud everything he manages to get past that massive foot-in-the-mouth he demonstrates? They confuse rambling remarks about what is wrong with the nation with having an actual plan to fix it? It takes more than telling everyone how smart you are to propose a solution. They cheer a Chris Christi proposing criminal charges while ignoring the possibility of his own felonies while governor? They cheer possible charges for Clinton while ignoring Trump's legal problems? Are these people deaf, dumb & blind to anything except Clinton's problems? The GOP is doing everything they can to help elect Clinton. Thanx a lot.

[zelmo1234]

So, I guess that my friend cigar is toast?



Make a call!

Pick a number between 270 and 274.

I think Hillary get 279

[PolWatch]

My map gives Clinton 277 to win. I think she will take FL, VA & OH. I'm on the line about WI. I don't remember which show I was watching, but they pointed out that Trump HAS to win FL and I don't see that happening.
Green Arrow - thanks for an interesting site.

[zelmo1234]

Hillary by 10 would be 274...

Yes but their is likely more stupid people in this country than I think there are, so I revised

[Bethere]

My map gives Clinton 277 to win. I think she will take FL, VA & OH. I'm on the line about WI. I don't remember which show I was watching, but they pointed out that Trump HAS to win FL and I don't see that happening.
@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) - thanks for an interesting site.

Steve Kornacki.

If he doesn't get Florida, Trump has to sweep the Big Ten states all except for Illinois.

If I were Hillary I would freaking move to West Palm Beach.

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As for your longer post about needing multiple parties? Isn't that really what we are developing now?

Both parties have 2 distinct wings.

The establishment holds serve for Democrats.

The insurgency holds serve for the Republicans.

The green party is recruiting the democratic insurgency.

The libertarians are targeting the establishment Republican.

[Bethere]

Yes but their is likely more stupid people in this country than I think there are, so I revised

Can the bald wonder win Michigan? What about your town?

[zelmo1234]

Can the bald wonder win Michigan? What about your town?

Hillary is not popular in MI. I live in W MI and Trump will win big in all but the Detroit, Bay City, Midland Flint area.

There are still enough people in that area to swing the state, but Grand Rapids and the surrounding area are growing so fast. that in a Decade it will overtake those hell holes controlled by Democrats since the 1950's.

So he can win MI if the turnout makeup is like the Bush years. If for some reason, Hillary is able to produce the Minority turnout that Obama did? Then she will win.

MI does have a voter ID that survived our very conservative Supreme Court. So it is a lot harder for the Democrats to stuff the ballot box. Although during the Obama elections that were some districts in the Detroit area, that had more than 100% of the people that were registered in those area vote.

So I would give Trump a 48% chance of taking MI and it will be about 50% in WI I think that he wins PA and he would have Sailed through OH if Little John would not have been such a Cry Baby.

[Chloe]

I have Clinton 302 to Trumps 236. The main swing states that I have going to Clinton are Wisconsin, Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Colorado. Colorado is iffy but I see that being one of those surprise states.

[Chloe]

I also think that once people actually have to vote they will choose the status quo over the unknown.

[Peter1469]

I also think that once people actually have to vote they will choose the status quo over the unknown.


That is what they said about Britain.

[Chloe]

That is what they said about Britain.

This isn't britain

[Peter1469]

This isn't britain

Correct. But my point is valid.

People are not pro-status quo these days.

[Chloe]

Correct. But my point is valid.

People are not pro-status quo these days.

The one key difference between our election and their election is that the alternative to the status quo is Donald J. Trump. Britain didn't have that type of yin and yang to deal with.

[Peter1469]

The one key difference between our election and their election is that the alternative to the status quo is Donald J. Trump. Britain didn't have that type of yin and yang to deal with.

Untrue.

Britain's choice was to continue with the status quo, or to take an uncertain path.

The US has that same choice now.

Many nations in Europe will hold elections in 2016-2018 and they will have the exact same choice.

Nationalism v. globalism. Choose.

[Dr. Who]

Correct. But my point is valid.

People are not pro-status quo these days.
Many of the people in Britain didn't realize they were actually voting and had they so realized, they may have voted differently.

[Chloe]

Untrue.

Britain's choice was to continue with the status quo, or to take an uncertain path.

The US has that same choice now.

Many nations in Europe will hold elections in 2016-2018 and they will have the exact same choice.

Nationalism v. globalism. Choose.

Trump nationalism vs Clinton globalism? Neither.

[AZ Jim]

Trump nationalism vs Clinton globalism? Neither.You have time Chloe, use it well.

[Peter1469]

Many of the people in Britain didn't realize they were actually voting and had they so realized, they may have voted differently.

That is a meme created by the globalists.

Britain will be just fine. It ruled the world without subordinating itself to Europe. It can survive post-Brexit.

Expect more elections to pick nationalism over globalism over the next two years. Especially as the Muslims run amok.

[Peter1469]

Trump nationalism vs Clinton globalism? Neither.

That is what the election will come down to. Even a third party vote is anti-status quo. I support that 100%.

[Bethere]

Correct. But my point is valid.

No, your point really isn't. Uk has a parliamentary system. No one stands for election nationally as the prime minister is just another MP.

At best you are dealing with apples and oranges here, son.

[Peter1469]

No, your point really isn't. Uk has a parliamentary system. No one stands for election nationally as the prime minister is just another MP.

At best you are dealing with apples and oranges here, son.

Brexit was not a vote for a Prime Minister or a government.

[Bethere]

Brexit was not a vote for a Prime Minister or a government.

The United States doesn't do national referendums.

So, you have nothing but Presidential elections in which to compare.

You were the one making the comparison, not me.

[zelmo1234]

The United States doesn't do national referendums.

So, you have nothing but Presidential elections in which to compare.

You were the one making the comparison, not me.

Actually we do, but Democrats would never consider using the national referendum procedure, which of course is the Amendment process.

They prefer to try and stack the courts and unconstitutionally write laws from the Bench.

[Bethere]

Actually we do, but Democrats would never consider using the national referendum procedure, which of course is the Amendment process.

They prefer to try and stack the courts and unconstitutionally write laws from the Bench.

Interesting, and well thought.

Even so, the American people do not vote in one big election to decide issues or amendments. Here's a handy chart.

15494

Brexit was a national vote deciding one topic, or a national 'referendum.' We have no such critter here in obammyville.

Chloe was right.

Give her credit.

States and locals have referendums. Michigan, for example might have a vote to decide if the albatross should be the state bird.

Go bucks!

Bethere!

[zelmo1234]

Interesting, and well thought.

Even so, the American people do not vote in one big election to decide issues or amendments. Here's a handy chart.

15494

I agree, but the should.

For example Gay marriage should have been an amendment process. There are a lot of issues that should have been and amendment process.

Just because we don't follow the constitution, does not mean that is not the way it was designed.

[zelmo1234]

The one key difference between our election and their election is that the alternative to the status quo is Donald J. Trump. Britain didn't have that type of yin and yang to deal with.

Actually that had worse that Trump

Those that voted to exit the Euro Union, knew that they would have several years of recession because of this vote. They would have greater restrictions on their Travel. and they were even promised punishment by Obama.

With Trump it is an unknown, but the Status Quo! is failing. the new number is 73% of the people now believe that the country is heading in the wrong direction.

[Bethere]

Actually that had worse that Trump

Those that voted to exit the Euro Union, knew that they would have several years of recession because of this vote. They would have greater restrictions on their Travel. and they were even promised punishment by Obama.

With Trump it is an unknown, but the Status Quo! is failing. the new number is 73% of the people now believe that the country is heading in the wrong direction.


The 73% disapproval number better describes the party in charge of the congress with 9% approval then it does the party with the president with 56% approval.

[Truth Detector]

My map gives Clinton 277 to win. I think she will take FL, VA & OH. I'm on the line about WI. I don't remember which show I was watching, but they pointed out that Trump HAS to win FL and I don't see that happening.
Green Arrow - thanks for an interesting site.

Hillary won't win OH or FL. That's my prediction.

[Truth Detector]

I have Clinton 302 to Trumps 236. The main swing states that I have going to Clinton are Wisconsin, Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Colorado. Colorado is iffy but I see that being one of those surprise states.

Colorado is a swing either way and I think it tilts in Trumps favor. PA and FL will go to Trump.

[Truth Detector]

I also think that once people actually have to vote they will choose the status quo over the unknown.

Many Sanders voters will stay home; Hillary doesn't interest that voter. Trumps constituency will be super charged and show up at the polls...Barring some mud the liberal media digs up on Trump that could embarrass him. We know they will defend any sludge from the Clintons and bury it faster than you can say Benghazi.

[Truth Detector]

Many of the people in Britain didn't realize they were actually voting and had they so realized, they may have voted differently.

That's a false narrative promoted by the whiners who wanted the status quo.

[Truth Detector]

The 73% disapproval number better describes the party in charge of the congress with 9% approval then it does the party with the president with 56% approval.

:rofl: Still think Democrats are winning.....that's a hoot.

[Peter1469]

The United States doesn't do national referendums.

So, you have nothing but Presidential elections in which to compare.

You were the one making the comparison, not me.

You are correct that I am making a comparison. The issue before the British people was nationalism v. globalism (the path towards it).

That is the exact issue up for November 2016 in the US presidential elections.

Also, look at the negatives of both major candidates. Very high. This election is not about their personalities. That is clear.

[Truth Detector]

How did you get to that number? Just curious.

I took the map that came and put Florida in Republican column where it will be in November.

[Truth Detector]

Truth Detector, I'm going to follow up and explain why I gave Hillary Virginia and Florida and why I gave Trump Ohio and Pennsylvania, I'm just at work and on my phone at the moment. Didn't want you to think I was snubbing you.

No problem; I just don't see Florida going to Hillary.

[zelmo1234]

The 73% disapproval number better describes the party in charge of the congress with 9% approval then it does the party with the president with 56% approval.

I agree with that, why would anyone be happy with Congress, none of them did what they promised to do.

Fact still remains 73% of the people think that the country is heading in the wrong direction.

[OGIS]

but yet you avoided answering the question.

odd, that.

He always does.

[Tahuyaman]

The 73% disapproval number better describes the party in charge of the congress with 9% approval then it does the party with the president with 56% approval.

The are two things you are ignoring about the public's approval of the Congress.

First, it does not rise when it's controlled by Democrats.

Second, the people who elected their representatives generally approve of their own. They disapprove of the other person's Congressman or Senator.

[maineman]

but the question posed to people does not concern how they feel about their particular senator, congressman, but what they think about CONGRESS.

[Bethere]

You are correct that I am making a comparison. The issue before the British people was nationalism v. globalism (the path towards it).

That is the exact issue up for November 2016 in the US presidential elections.

Also, look at the negatives of both major candidates. Very high. This election is not about their personalities. That is clear.

Ok, I disagree, but I see your point. Apologize to chloe for not communicating more clearly and life is good.

[Bethere]

:rofl: Still think Democrats are winning.....that's a hoot.

On November 8 you will be saying that the gop always loses because they never run a true conservative.

[Docthehun]

On November 8 you will be saying that the gop always loses because they never run a true conservative.

Where's Homer when you need him?

[Bethere]

Where's Homer when you need him?

Homer is nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

[Docthehun]

Homer is nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

Elsewhere the children cheer as an ex-college football player with a black belt, breaks the bones of an unsuspecting volunteer with a running, LEFT-footed, "sucker" kick to the head. What a guy! Free tickets to a concert that never happened.

[Docthehun]

Personally, I'm not placing any bets on anyone. "It ain't over till the fat lady sings."

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289859-third-party-support-surging

[DGUtley]

Homer is nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
That brings back memories...

[Bethere]

Elsewhere the children cheer as an ex-college football player with a black belt, breaks the bones of an unsuspecting volunteer with a running, LEFT-footed, "sucker" kick to the head. What a guy! Free tickets to a concert that never happened.

And the children freaking cheered!

[Bethere]

That brings back memories...

A wonderful song.

[nic34]

During the primaries the State of Texas went solidly to Hillary Clinton one must not forget! She trumped Trump in Texas and may even go on to win that state again in the general election given that Texas is slated as going blue again before long!

PHOENIX — If there is one place where the dramas and subplots of Campaign 2016 collide, it is across the sprawling and scorching desert state of Arizona.

Here lives Donald Trump’s restive base of white voters unsettled by the country’s social transformation and fired up to dismantle Washington’s power structure. Here also lies the Democrats’ sleeping giant — an estimated 350,000 Latinos who are not registered to vote but who could mobilize against the presumptive Republican presidential nominee over his incendiary rhetoric.

Then there are the politicians. One senator, Jeff Flake (R), is a vocal Trump critic sounding the alarm about an electoral wipeout. The other, John McCain (R), *alternates awkwardly between his maverick persona and a Trump apologist as he navigates an unexpectedly difficult reelection race. Also on the ballot is Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a Trump backer whose long crusade against undocumented immigrants makes him a lightning rod.

The Mormon resistance may have an effect in Arizona as well. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints counts more than 400,000 members here, which is roughly 6 percent of the state’s population. If enough Mormons vote against Trump or stay home, it would depress his vote total.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-trump-effect-could-arizona-go-blue-for-the-first-time-in-20-years/2016/06/18/a1ffe53e-34aa-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html

[nic34]

267 is best drtumpf can do...

[nic34]

I think we will see record low turnouts for democrats. I think we will see record high turnouts for republicans.

I am likely voting third party. I think the two main parties are one corrupt mass.

Yep everyone will be running out to vote for the weed and granola guy :laugh:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3642/3446290579_096cb1b356.jpg

[Bethere]

Yep everyone will be running out to vote for the weed and granola guy :laugh:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3642/3446290579_096cb1b356.jpg

It is almost impossible to keep granola lit.

:undecided:

[Green Arrow]

Yep everyone will be running out to vote for the weed and granola guy :laugh:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3642/3446290579_096cb1b356.jpg

I would, if Jill Stein wasn't on the ballot.

[Bethere]

Hillary Clinton: 366.

I am beginning to regret not picking a higher number.

[IMPress Polly]

Green Arrow wrote:
My own personal map gives Hillary 294 to Trump's 244, giving Hillary the 270 she needs to win the presidency but not much more than that. I gave the previously-mentioned battleground states as follows: Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire for Hillary and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina for Trump. I also gave Hillary Arkansas.

It's too early to make predictions this specific yet really, but if the election were held tomorrow, I would make a similar prediction, but with the difference that I give North Carolina to Clinton and Arkansas to Trump.

While it might make sense to give Clinton Arkansas since Bill Clinton was governor there for some time, it's been quite a long time since then and the state has become very solid red in the interim. Expecting Clinton to carry Arkansas in 2016 is kind of like expecting Romney to carry Massachusetts in 2012 to my way of thinking. There's some logic to the idea, but not enough to overcome an overwhelmingly hostile ideological balance.

North Carolina, on the other hand, is precisely the kind of state where a social liberal like Clinton can thrive, given its remarkable demographic shifts over the last decade. It's becoming increasingly like its neighbor to the north, Virginia, in that regard. Plus the Republican local government is not so popular itself these days and may face a hostile backlash due to possible overreach precisely on cultural legislation in the fall.

However, I agree with your core premise that the so-called "rust belt" states are vulnerable in this context and could very well be taken by Trump because of his protectionist trade policy ideas. Outsourcing is a major problem in those states, so it's not surprising to find that protectionism enjoys broad support among the workers there.

[American Cynic]

All these charts, graphs, flowcharts, etc. are useless. Basically it comes down to three states: Ohio, Florida, and that place that makes great cheese steaks.

Trump has to take that trifecta in order to have a shot. Period.

[Tahuyaman]

but the question posed to people does not concern how they feel about their particular senator, congressman, but what they think about CONGRESS.


And again, it doesn't matter. What matters is how they feel about the ones they elect. They seem to mostly approve.

What a person in Maine or Oregon thinks about Congressmen from Kansas or Texas is irrelevant.

[Tahuyaman]

It might be close and it might not be close, but we are hoping to be burdened with a Clinton administration and all the corruption which goes along with that. Better get prepared for it now.

[Tahuyaman]

See you on election night.

My prediction?

You will be saying, "we never win because we never run a true conservative. "

That is a nugget of truth.

[Common]

Clinton has the election wrapped up. I said from day one that Trump wouldnt win this election. For all intents the election is over.

[MisterVeritis]

Clinton has the election wrapped up. I said from day one that Trump wouldnt win this election. For all intents the election is over.
What an ignorant thing to say.

Trumps unveiled pro-economic growth policy is an election winner. For Trump, not for Broke-Brained Crooked Hillary.

[Docthehun]

I'm not predicting anything. "Not my circus, not my monkeys"

There's tons of time for more, "He said what?" and "She lied about what?", complete with plenty of videos, witnesses, testimony, e-mails, the media and pundits. And that's ignoring everything else in the world that doesn't have anything to do with those two.

[Tahuyaman]

Clinton has the election wrapped up. I said from day one that Trump wouldnt win this election. For all intents the election is over.

I don't believe her odds are at 100%, but she's certainly the odds on favorite. There's still three months to go and who knows what strange things will happen with two clowns like this running for POTUS? Both of these candidates are vulnerable in various areas.

I believe she is going to win the election. By what margin, I will not predict.

[OGIS]

It might be close and it might not be close, but we are hoping to be burdened with a Clinton administration and all the corruption which goes along with that. Better get prepared for it now.

Seriously, what would you think of a Kaine administration? If Breitbart, WND and Infowars are correct, then Hillery is liable to go brain dead at any moment. So if she makes it to the White House, she would probably have an aneurysm during her first staff meeting and suddenly Kaine is President.

[OGIS]

I'm not predicting anything. "Not my circus, not my monkeys"

You, sir, win the Internets for the day.

I'm stealing that.


There's tons of time for more, "He said what?" and "She lied about what?", complete with plenty of videos, witnesses, testimony, e-mails, the media and pundits. And that's ignoring everything else in the world that doesn't have anything to do with those two.

So many lies have been documented on both sides that we must simply assume that everyone is lying. All the time. Every single person connected to either campaign. And let's include Johnson and Stein in that group, too.

My 85 year old grandmother voted for LBJ because "he had a nice face." My father voted for Goldwater because "he had an honest face." And now, my friends, it appears that this is what we have been reduced to.

Impressions. Who seems less corrupt? Who seems less evil? Who seems less insane?

Which one will be most likely to start World War Three?

[Bethere]

[/COLOR]
You, sir, win the Internets for the day.

I'm stealing that.


Hell, that might be the hook to my cool new song!

[OGIS]

I don't believe her odds are at 100%, but she's certainly the odds on favorite. There's still three months to go and who knows what strange things will happen with two clowns like this running for POTUS? Both of these candidates are vulnerable in various areas.

I believe she is going to win the election. By what margin, I will not predict.

Best thing might be a squeak win for one and Armageddon for that party in Congress. Then we could have four years of paralyzed government and a 4:4 SCOTUS, which will hopefully give sane, honest, and wise candidates in both parties time to gather their strength.

[Docthehun]

Hell, that might be the hook to my cool new song!

Oh God, don't get started on that! :smiley: "Death by a thousand cuts!" But hey, have at it if you must.

[debbietoo]

You think she will get Arkansas?

[Docthehun]

You think she will get Arkansas?

Too close to call. I think 95% of actual voters have already decided.

[Common Sense]

The GOP should forget about securing the White House and start worrying about keeping or gaining seats in the House and Senate.

[texan]

There is so much meat left on this bone nobody can predict this just yet.

Once again Hillary has lied to everyone about Powell advising her to handle her email the way she did, let's see if the Donald can stay out of the way and let the big dog eat........This couldn't have been more stupid by her and shows her judgement isn't any better. Then you have WikiLeaks whom will release more embarrassing at the least information after Labor Day. No reason to predict at this time tooooooo many more mistakes and issues to go for these two candidates.

Remember this, people do not want to vote for Hillary they lean that way now. They are looking for any reason to vote elsewhere if one can be provided. Her support is soft.

[Tahuyaman]

Not likely. Independents will determine the election. And independents won't pick a piece of $#@! as described by Director Comey.

She is a blackmail risk.

Yes they will. We are going to face the tragedy of another Clinton administration.

[Docthehun]

Women will decide this election.

[Subdermal]

Yes they will. We are going to face the tragedy of another Clinton administration.

Whatever you say, Eeyore. Your pessimism - and non-participation in averting such an outcome - has grown tiresome.

[Tahuyaman]

It's time to face reality. Reality is that Mrs.Clinton is going to be our next president. Of course, my happiness, success or failures aren't dependent upon who wins the election.

[Bethere]

Whatever you say, Eeyore. Your pessimism - and non-participation in averting such an outcome - has grown tiresome.

Good times!

[Bethere]

There is so much meat left on this bone nobody can predict this just yet.

Once again Hillary has lied to everyone about Powell advising her to handle her email the way she did, let's see if the Donald can stay out of the way and let the big dog eat........This couldn't have been more stupid by her and shows her judgement isn't any better. Then you have WikiLeaks whom will release more embarrassing at the least information after Labor Day. No reason to predict at this time tooooooo many more mistakes and issues to go for these two candidates.

Remember this, people do not want to vote for Hillary they lean that way now. They are looking for any reason to vote elsewhere if one can be provided. Her support is soft.

Wikileaks. Assange. Russia. Manafort. Trump.

I don't think Americans will look kindly upon further Russian intrusions on our elections.

[Ransom]

Women will decide this election.

If it's up to married women, Trump would win. Married women...... on average more highly educated, more often than not have children, more often than not are employed, more often than not actually budget the American family...... voted in the majority for Romney and McCain. The GOP may again win that vote.

What was that? What of the less educated women..... those often not married or a single parent, less likely to be employed, be a student, not have a dime to their names much less budget capacity....... oh they'll be voting Democrat. Those dependent on the government, will vote Democrat.

[Ransom]

Wikileaks. Assange. Russia. Manafort. Trump.

I don't think Americans will look kindly upon further Russian intrusions on our elections.

Hacked the DNC and exposed Wasserman Schultz...... and are responsible for Hillary's abysmal honesty polling.

I think Americans understand it's irrelevant who exposed...... hacker nor Russian wrote these emails.

Hackers though do keep their servers in their basements, that what most Americans are upset about?

[Subdermal]

Wikileaks. Assange. Russia. Manafort. Trump.

I don't think Americans will look kindly upon further Russian intrusions on our elections.

And my view is that Americans will not look kindly upon further Clinton intrusions on our elections.

Of course, the problem is that Americans will not be the only ones voting.

[Bethere]

And my view is that Americans will not look kindly upon further Clinton intrusions on our elections.

Who cares?

[suds00]

if trump loses the electoral vote and wins or comes close in the popular vote we'll never hear the end of it.

[MisterVeritis]

if trump loses the electoral vote and wins or comes close in the popular vote we'll never hear the end of it.
Relax. Trump is going to win.

[Peter1469]

I think we need to be more concerned with Hillary's health at this point.....

[MisterVeritis]

I think we need to be more concerned with Hillary's health at this point.....
I am not concerned in the least. She is an evil person.

[Green Arrow]

I've altered my map based on current polling, just to see where they stand right now if the election were today. I'm using the RCP average, which in my humble opinion is the most accurate.

The RCP average puts Clinton at 341 to Trump's 197, and gives Clinton the battlegrounds of Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Colorado, Florida, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and North Carolina.

It's worth noting, though, that Trump has pretty drastically caught up to her in the polls in all of these states, and remains very close to her in nearly every one.

[IMPress Polly]

I'm waiting to make my first formal prediction until after the first debate. I plan on making at least two: one sometime before October 15th (I may wait until we've had some time for the poll results from the first debate to come in) and the one shortly before the election itself (i.e. in early November). Informally though, while events on the campaign trail (and obviously biased media coverage that gives Mr. Trump a pass on pretty much everything (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-email-story-is-out-of-control/2016/09/08/692947d0-75fc-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?utm_term=.7b948b760052)) are conspiring to make this a close race for the time being, I personally tend to suspect that Trump will fare about as well in the debates as he did in the public's comparison of the RNC versus the DNC, given that he'll have to avoid going off message for an hour and a half straight at a time without benefit of a teleprompter, which I don't think he's capable of doing and that that will probably reset the public's opinion of the contest back closer to where it should be.

I would love to see the third party candidates appear in the debates, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

[OGIS]

I am not concerned in the least. She is an evil person.

What is her position on killing the families of terrorists?

[OGIS]

if trump loses the electoral vote and wins or comes close in the popular vote we'll never hear the end of it.

There will be much talk of Second Amendment solutions.

[birddog]

I think we need to be more concerned with Hillary's health at this point.....

Yes, Donald is releasing his medical records this week, and she needs to also. Of course, she's such a liar, she probably would not release them all.

[AZ Jim]

How did you get to 325?I mostly hitchhiked and took a bus the last mile or so.

[Truth Detector]

if trump loses the electoral vote and wins or comes close in the popular vote we'll never hear the end of it.

Do you really think that the Democrats wouldn't do the very same thing? Hell, they already did it in 2000 when they whined and opined that Bush "stole" the election with the help of the Supreme Court.

Liberals have NO room to criticize ANYONE based on their idiotic shenanigans. Not on experience, not on lying, not on stealing elections and most certainly not on violating Government regulations and laws.

[Common Sense]

I've changed my mind...now I want to Trump to win. Let the shitstains have their savior.

[MisterVeritis]

What is her position on killing the families of terrorists?
The terrorists are her allies. That is why she insists in importing them. But then, you should already know this, shouldn't you?

If you want terrorists to stop targeting Americans take away something they value. Take away their entire families. When two or three families are completely wiped out there will be fewer volunteers.

[MisterVeritis]

There will be much talk of Second Amendment solutions.
Relax. Trump is going to win.

[IMPress Polly]

Common Sense wrote:
I've changed my mind...now I want to Trump to win. Let the $#@!stains have their savior.

So...how is that fair to me? Or to the Latino population? Or the African American population? Or to the Muslim American population? Or frankly to yourself, considering there's at least a 10% chance you'll be nuked if he gets elected?

(Or perhaps you were being sarcastic?)

[Peter1469]

I've changed my mind...now I want to Trump to win. Let the shitstains have their savior.

You sound unhinged. Did Hillary's faint break your spirit?

[Peter1469]

So...how is that fair to me? Or to the Latino population? Or the African American population? Or to the Muslim American population? Or frankly to yourself, considering there's at least a 10% chance you'll be nuked if he gets elected?

(Or perhaps you were being sarcastic?)

On those issues Hillary would do far worse than Trump.

[Common Sense]

You sound unhinged. Did Hillary's faint break your spirit?

It was sarcasm...but if anything would erode my spirit, it would be the vile reactions to her health issue.

[Common Sense]

On those issues Hillary would do far worse than Trump.

That's impossible.

[Bethere]

You sound unhinged. Did Hillary's faint break your spirit?

You sound like a lifelong Republican who "left the party" because you are too embarrassed to accept responsibility for the consequences of your voting history.

[Bethere]

Yeah, maineman. He loves to snipe without having to play defense. He's a lifelong Republican by admission. Don't indulge him by letting him off the hook.

He's a Republican.

[OGIS]

See you on election night.

My prediction?

You will be saying, "we never win because we never run a true conservative. "

Or: "The vast Democratic election conspiracy robbed us!"

There will be talk of 2nd Amendment solutions.

[Ransom]

You sound like a lifelong Republican who "left the party" because you are too embarrassed to accept responsibility for the consequences of your voting history.

There is that embarrassment or shame feature again so prevalent when you post, Bethere. Your unease and utter shame in merely being white and male has you now projecting those anxieties onto others....or at least trying. Pete was thrown out, Bethere, I don't know how else to put it. Tossed for reasons too deep for your shallow and transparent and fragile mentality.

I'm just wondering if the red hue has faded about your face....:embarrassed:

[Ransom]

Yeah, maineman. He loves to snipe without having to play defense. He's a lifelong Republican by admission. Don't indulge him by letting him off the hook.

He's a Republican.

He's voting for Trump. Don't make him Republican.

[Bethere]

He's voting for Trump. Don't make him Republican.

Of course it does.

I could care less what you say you are. I am more interested in what you actually do.

Hitler, for example, claimed to be a Christian socialist when he was really a satanic fascist.

[TrueBlue]

I think we will see record low turnouts for democrats. I think we will see record high turnouts for republicans.

I am likely voting third party. I think the two main parties are one corrupt mass.
Record low for Democrats? Are you kidding?! The way Democrats are going out for voter registration drives in most all states and the eagerness and energy being shown in the process to get Hillary Clinton elected, Bethere's prediction number will probably be on the low end of the scale at final count.

Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't be so quick to give Texas to Trump. Hillary Won Texas in the primaries by a large number over Trump so why should she lose it in the General? Don't believe she will. Texas is going purplish-blue at the moment and no doubt will turn completely blue before long!

[PeoplePower]

My prediction:Trump wins and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Captain Obvious]

My prediction:Trump wins and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I hope so. I can't in good conscience vote Trump - I considered it but it passed quickly.

I want to see progressive hacks hurling themselves off of tall buildings.

[PeoplePower]

I hope so. I can't in good conscience vote Trump - I considered it but it passed quickly.

I want to see progressive hacks hurling themselves off of tall buildings.
IF want to see progressive hacks hurling themselves off of tall buildings.
Why would you not vote Trump?Personally I just want to see them implode.\
All the scared eyes gone away.Now it's reality time.

[Captain Obvious]

IF want to see progressive hacks hurling themselves off of tall buildings.
Why would you not vote Trump?

Trump isn't a candidate I can support - ethically, philosophically. And I'm not voting against a candidate, that's what the establishment thrived on for generations.

I'll support the third candidate regardless of his knowledge of Aleppo and world leaders.

[Bethere]

Trump isn't a candidate I can support - ethically, philosophically. And I'm not voting against a candidate, that's what the establishment thrived on for generations.

I'll support the third candidate regardless of his knowledge of Aleppo and world leaders.

Good times!

[Captain Obvious]

Good times!

Voter integrity is a concept you're incapable of grasping.

[AZ Jim]

IF want to see progressive hacks hurling themselves off of tall buildings.
Why would you not vote Trump?Personally I just want to see them implode.\
All the scared eyes gone away.Now it's reality time.


What you want and what you get are two entirely different things.

[PeoplePower]

What you want and what you get are two entirely different things.

Haha! Come November:"Progressive" heads will be imploding.
People have not regressed to being that stupid.
True story.That is my prediction.

[AZ Jim]

Haha! Come November:"Progressive" heads will be imploding.
People have not regressed to being that stupid.
True story.That is my prediction.Wonderful. Now the premise of this post is to make a electoral vote prediction, so let's have it Einstein.

[Ethereal]

IF want to see progressive hacks hurling themselves off of tall buildings.
Why would you not vote Trump?

Tempting if for no other reason than pure entertainment value, but unprincipled nonetheless.

[Tahuyaman]

I believe that we are going to be burdened with another Clinton administration with all of the corruption and incompetence which goes along with it.

[Captain Obvious]

I believe that we are going to be burdened with another Clinton administration with all of the corruption and incompetence which goes along with it.

http://www.11points.com/images/highbox-cheers.jpg

[Tahuyaman]

http://www.11points.com/images/highbox-cheers.jpg

Just like the true Clinton supporter you are.

[PeoplePower]

http://www.270towin.com/maps/xoKZX
(http://www.270towin.com/maps/xoKZX)


(http://www.270towin.com/maps/xoKZX)

[texan]

Hillary 290ish

[Docthehun]

I am beginning to regret not picking a higher number.

Take another stab at it!

[Bethere]

Take another stab at it!

I'll stick with 366. I am committed.

[NapRover]

Don 273

[Tahuyaman]

I'm not going to predict the number of electoral college votes, but I will predict that Hillary Clinton wins the election by six percentage points, but still does not come close to receiving a majority of the votes cast.

[Devint]

Trump with 538

[Green Arrow]

Trump with 538

Nice trolling.

[AZ Jim]

I started with 325 and I am still there.

[maineman]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

it's obvious that grabbing pussy is not something most Americans are comfortable with.

This moron is circling the drain, and, if my prayers are answered, his whole fucking party will swirl down into oblivion with him.

[Bethere]

How did you get to 366?

I'll tell you we why I said 366 on election night.

[Ransom]

I'll tell you we why I said 366 on election night.

Will you finally be able to rid yourself of your shame for being white and male?

[Docthehun]

I'll tell you we why I said 366 on election night.

That sounds a lot like; "I'll hold you in suspense"................

Good times!

[MRogersNhood]

I'll tell you we why I said 366 on election night.

Hopefully I can tune in to that one.Should be interesting.

[AZ Jim]

Trump with 538Oh Gawd! Another sock?

[AZ Jim]

I picked 325 (Clinton) months ago but said then I was pessimistic and still will stick with that number.

[Bethere]

I picked 325 (Clinton) months ago but said then I was pessimistic and still will stick with that number.
Your pick is looking pretty good as of now!

[MRogersNhood]

Here's mine:

http://www.270towin.com/maps/Qx72J

[Bethere]

Here's mine:

http://www.270towin.com/maps/Qx72J

305, trump?

You have more guts than most of your right wing playmates.

Congratulations!

[PolWatch]

RCP has Clinton over the top with 272 and Trump at 126. Toss ups: 140

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

[bdtex]

Here's mine. 323-215 HRC.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/jA9po

[IMPress Polly]

btex wrote:
Here's mine. 323-215 HRC.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/jA9po

I agree with this. It's literally an exact copy of my most recent prediction.

[bdtex]

I agree with this. It's literally an exact copy of my most recent prediction.

Iowa,Ohio,NC,FLA,NV,Arizona and Utah are really the only states left in play. Trump could win them all and would still lose.

[suds00]

even if trump swept the battleground states it's a slim chance to none that he'd win . clinton 300+

[MRogersNhood]

even if trump swept the battleground states it's a slim chance to none that he'd win . clinton 300+

I think I'll try to take the high ground on the 9th.
Or try to anyways.I predict that will end up in failure.
I swear I will try,though.
Look here you guys,just because cultural-Marxists are way oversampled on internet bulletin boards does not mean they make up any kind of majority in anything.
It's almost certain they comprise less than 1/3 of the Democratic party.That's right!
Most Democrats are NORMAL!
They also see how Hillary has done for the past however many years of their life and are reasonably intelligent!
Cultural-Marxist SJWs are only more prevalent on bulletin boards because quite a few are :PAID to be there!
And there you have it folks!

[Tahuyaman]

I believe Clinton will win in a landslide with the electoral college, but not receive a majority of the popular vote.

[AZ Jim]

How did you get to 325?My GPS!!

[TrueBlue]

My GPS!!
In other words you're:

GETTING
PRETTY
SAVVY

[MRogersNhood]

In other words you're:

GETTING
PRETTY
SAVVY
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/72778852.jpg

[maineman]

I believe Clinton will win in a landslide with the electoral college, but not receive a majority of the popular vote.

who gives a flying fuck what you believe? You're like the little boy who cried wolf.... you have stated your beliefs and opinions as absolute facts for so long, most of us have tuned you out as nothing but a joke.

[Tahuyaman]

who gives a flying $#@! what you believe? You're like the little boy who cried wolf.... you have stated your beliefs and opinions as absolute facts for so long, most of us have tuned you out as nothing but a joke.

Interesting observation.

[maineman]

Interesting observation.

interesting... and accurate.

[Tahuyaman]

interesting... and accurate.. Do you dispute my election prediction?

[Ethereal]

who gives a flying $#@! what you believe?

I'm guessing it's roughly the same amount of people who give a flying f*ck what you believe.

[maineman]

I don't CARE about your election prediction. I find you, personally, to be a despicable, moronic human being. You have insulted me and denigrated my service to our country to the point where I really could give a flying fuck what you believe. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. Honestly. Literally.

Have I made myself clear enough or would you like me to further expound?

[maineman]

I'm guessing it's roughly the same amount of people who give a flying f*ck what you believe.

your guess is as good as mine.

[Bethere]

Will you finally be able to rid yourself of your shame for being white and male?

No.

[suds00]

So, there's a site called 270towin.com that provides an interactive map of all fifty states and their electoral college votes. You can make the state red, blue, or toss-up, and for Maine and Nebraska it reflects the reality that the state's electoral votes could be split. When you first go to it, it automatically gives Clinton 217 electoral votes to Trump's 191, reflecting the fact that those are the states that are 99.99% certainly going red or blue. It leaves the swing states of Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida as toss-ups. i swap pa with arkansas.

My own personal map gives Hillary 294 to Trump's 244, giving Hillary the 270 she needs to win the presidency but not much more than that. I gave the previously-mentioned battleground states as follows: Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire for Hillary and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina for Trump. I also gave Hillary Arkansas.

All of this is subject to change as the election progresses, of course, but this is the most likely scenario to me. Make your own predictions!

My prediction map (http://www.270towin.com/maps/JR4nL)

States for Hillary:
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

States for Trump:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyomingi give clinton pa. and trump arkansas

[Boris The Animal]

325 Hillary but I played it safe. I'll stick with my number.As a Communist you would. Hillery is a lying c*nt.

[nic34]

So, there's a site called 270towin.com that provides an interactive map of all fifty states and their electoral college votes. You can make the state red, blue, or toss-up, and for Maine and Nebraska it reflects the reality that the state's electoral votes could be split. When you first go to it, it automatically gives Clinton 217 electoral votes to Trump's 191, reflecting the fact that those are the states that are 99.99% certainly going red or blue. It leaves the swing states of Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida as toss-ups.

My own personal map gives Hillary 294 to Trump's 244, giving Hillary the 270 she needs to win the presidency but not much more than that. I gave the previously-mentioned battleground states as follows: Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire for Hillary and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina for Trump. I also gave Hillary Arkansas.

All of this is subject to change as the election progresses, of course, but this is the most likely scenario to me. Make your own predictions!

My prediction map (http://www.270towin.com/maps/JR4nL)

States for Hillary:
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

States for Trump:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming

Fixed. You mean Arkansas for trumpy....

[nic34]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ar/arkansas_trump_vs_clinton-5899.html

Clinton 263, 111 tossups

Trump up +25 in Arkansas.....

[Safety]

As a Communist you would. Hillery is a lying c*nt.

Please watch the language

[Boris The Animal]

Please watch the languageWhat for? It's the truth.

[maineman]

if it weren't for low class, you'd have no class at all, Boris.

[Boris The Animal]

if it weren't for low class, you'd have no class at all, Boris.Alot more than you, Sailor boy. Now go back to Venezuela where you and the rest of the Communists belong.

[maineman]

Alot more than you, Sailor boy. Now go back to Venezuela where you and the rest of the Communists belong.

I've never even been to Venezuela. I certainly am no communist, that's for sure. And where the fuck do you get off thinking you can tell me what to do or where to go?

[Safety]

Boris The Animal and maineman have been TB'd by the OP Green Arrow. Please do not respond any further to these members.

[gamewell45]

The only reason she is going to win the election is because the media will be successful in their mission to portray Trump as a man who is mentally unstable and will launch a nuclear attack on a whim.

As if that's even possible.

And surprisingly, he helped the media do it as well. So if he is beaten (and as of now at least, it appears he'll lose) he has no one to blame but himself.

[Tahuyaman]

And surprisingly, he helped the media do it as well. So if he is beaten (and as of now at least, it appears he'll lose) he has no one to blame but himself.

He has been an extremely flawed candidate from the start. Yes, those flaws are all his fault. He continually gave the media all the ammunition they needed to concentrate on his flaws and minimize or even ignore those of Mrs.Clinton.

[MRogersNhood]

Here's mine. 323-215 HRC.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/jA9po

You wore a helmet in class,yet you were not on the football team,amirite?

You got that all kinds of wrong on how it will be.You keep dreamin'.


I grew up in a place called "America where we see through and do not put up with bovine feces"

[MRogersNhood]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/6P1L/my-body-is-ready/image.png For Trump. :rofl:

[Dr. Who]

https://s15.postimg.org/jg3h4chgb/gavel.gif MRogersNhood has been thread banned at the request of the OP, please do not respond to this member's posts.

If you have questions about this action, please direct them to the OP in a PM. Thank you.

[Bethere]

How did you get to 366?

I believed that the Obama coalition was durable, so I took his 2008 total and added 1 for omaha.

So, Hillary 366.

[Bethere]

I think we will see record low turnouts for democrats. I think we will see record high turnouts for republicans.

I am likely voting third party. I think the two main parties are one corrupt mass.

So, Pete.

Record low democratic turnout?

You also said that Hillary would struggle to get 30%.

We will know soon.

[Docthehun]

They're giddy at Fox. Buckle your seat belt. Dow futures already off more than 400 points and the night is young.

[Tahuyaman]

I believed that the Obama coalition was durable, so I took his 2008 total and added 1 for omaha.

So, Hillary 366.

Are you standing by that prediction?

[Green Arrow]

Well, I'll be the first to admit I didn't see this coming.

[Tahuyaman]

They're giddy at Fox. Buckle your seat belt. Dow futures already off more than 400 points and the night is young.


I was was just watching Fox. They aren't giddy. They are just like me. Kind of amazed that Mrs. Clinton isn't in a commanding lead by now.

I don't see Trump holding on to this lead, but it's much closer than I expected. I thought that Clinton would win easily with electoral votes without winning a majority of the popular vote.

[Subdermal]

I believed that the Obama coalition was durable, so I took his 2008 total and added 1 for omaha.

So, Hillary 366.
Here's to not seeing you around for a very long while. New screen name: WEREthere.

:biglaugh:

[Tahuyaman]

They're giddy at Fox. Buckle your seat belt. Dow futures already off more than 400 points and the night is young.
I'm watching Fox News now. I think Juan Williams is going to cry.

[Safety]

Well, I'll be the first to admit I didn't see this coming.

People discounted rural America.

[Ethereal]

Michigan and Wisconsin... crucial.

[Safety]

People are going to totally lose their shit when the final vote is counted. It seems like there will be some vacancies for pollsters opening soon.

[Subdermal]

Lots of leftist shills are going to be disappearing from this site.

Thank GOD.

[JDubya]

Lots of leftist shills are going to be disappearing from this site.

Thank GOD.
You're really looking forward to a mindless right-wing circle jerk, aren't you?

Enjoy it.

Don't forget to stock up on lotion.

[The Xl]

I hope this place returns to sanity after tonight, even if Clinton pulls it out.

[Safety]

One can only hope.

[Ethereal]

I hope this place returns to sanity after tonight, even if Clinton pulls it out.
It's definitely not.

Things will continue to worsen because the US political system is inherently flawed, i.e., too much centralization.

There is simply no way that America's urban and rural spheres can peacefully coexist under a unitary political system in the long run.

[Subdermal]

You're really looking forward to a mindless right-wing circle jerk, aren't you?
Enjoy it.
Don't forget to stock up on lotion.

So you are leaving.

:biglaugh:

The mindlessness, leftist, is nearly the exclusive perview of the leftists here. When they leave, the discourse will gain a cerebral quality.

You wouldn't understand, just as you clearly don't understand what just happened.

[Mister D]

People discounted rural America.
Maybe ridiculing working class whites and dismissing their complaints wasn't such a great idea. I'm very curious to see the demographic breakdown though. I wonder how much of the Hispanic vote Trump managed to capture.