Flint water crisis: New criminal charges filed

[Cigar]

Six current and former Michigan state employees were charged Friday in a widening criminal investigation into the Flint water crisis, according to a source close to the investigation.

Corinne Miller, Nancy Peeler and Robert Scott of the Department of Health and Human Services along with Liane Shekter-Smith, Adam Rosenthal and Patrick Cook of the Department of Environmental Quality face charges ranging from willful neglect of duty to conspiracy over allegations they withheld information from the public about lead contamination of the city's drinking water.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/us/flint-water-crisis-charges/index.html

:angryfire:

[Subdermal]

Partisan witch hunt.

The article is equally partisan. Any ideas why the article features three white guys - the fall guys - when the 6 charged were not?

Who are Democrats? Who are Republicans? What were their roles? The scapegoats were workers in the water plant, and had varying degrees of involvement and responsibility, ranging from ZERO to 'mildly involved'.

Did Mosby relocate to Flint?

[Truth Detector]

Six current and former Michigan state employees were charged Friday in a widening criminal investigation into the Flint water crisis, according to a source close to the investigation.

Corinne Miller, Nancy Peeler and Robert Scott of the Department of Health and Human Services along with Liane Shekter-Smith, Adam Rosenthal and Patrick Cook of the Department of Environmental Quality face charges ranging from willful neglect of duty to conspiracy over allegations they withheld information from the public about lead contamination of the city's drinking water.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/us/flint-water-crisis-charges/index.html

:angryfire:

Let me predict where how these cases will be adjudicated: the same way the Baltimore police cases were. DUH!

SMH

[Captain Obvious]

Charges should be filed against the voters.

[Truth Detector]

Partisan witch hunt.

The article is equally partisan. Any ideas why the article features three white guys - the fall guys - when the 6 charged were not?

Who are Democrats? Who are Republicans? What were their roles? The scapegoats were workers in the water plant, and had varying degrees of involvement and responsibility, ranging from ZERO to 'mildly involved'.

Did Mosby relocate to Flint?

^Spot on.

[Cigar]

:grin: :angryfire: :laugh:

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_400_400/p/4/005/0aa/303/3ce2562.jpg (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141016141832-15960622-career-advice-from-an-experienced-recruiter-that-doesn-t-involve-leaving-your-current-job)

[Common]

It doesnt say whos doing the investigation, unless I missed it in the article. If its the justice dept it most certainly is partisan.

[Subdermal]

:grin: :angryfire: :laugh:

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_400_400/p/4/005/0aa/303/3ce2562.jpg (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141016141832-15960622-career-advice-from-an-experienced-recruiter-that-doesn-t-involve-leaving-your-current-job)

Oh look! Cigar posts a picture of a typical country club brat child from the club of which he is a member!

[Mini Me]

How about charging Governor Rick Snyder?

[Bo-4]

How about charging Governor Rick Snyder?

Yep, he's the assclown who implemented the emergency manager system.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ74NiQUYAAR44O.jpg

[zelmo1234]

How about charging Governor Rick Snyder?

For What?

Maybe the could charge the former Mayor that took the 30 million dollar grant for the water system and used it to sure up the cities Pension fund?

[zelmo1234]

Yep, he's the assclown who implemented the emergency manager system.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ74NiQUYAAR44O.jpg

this is some of the national BS that is going on. Nobody is dying in Flint from any lead in the water. Lead in the air from gang bangers, is another story.

Once again people are lead to believe this was a HUGE and city wide problem, It effected about 2% of the homes in Flint.

[Peter1469]

There are over 1200 cities and towns in the US with the same problem.

Don't trust government to give you clean water. Rely on yourself.

[Bo-4]

this is some of the national BS that is going on. Nobody is dying in Flint from any lead in the water. Lead in the air from gang bangers, is another story.

Once again people are lead to believe this was a HUGE and city wide problem, It effected about 2% of the homes in Flint.

Dude, you need to catch up.

http://flintwaterstudy.org/information-for-flint-residents/results-for-citizen-testing-for-lead-300-kits/

They absolutely ruined the pipes for eternity. They will ALL have to be replaced. Some of the levels are going down but filtration still needed.

And even a filter couldn't remove the levels found in some homes.

On top of all that Snyder KNEW about what had happened (switching to a source 12 times more corrosive without treating first) a year before he said a word.

[zelmo1234]

Dude, you need to catch up.

http://flintwaterstudy.org/information-for-flint-residents/results-for-citizen-testing-for-lead-300-kits/

They absolutely ruined the pipes for eternity. They will ALL have to be replaced. Some of the levels are going down but filtration still needed.

And even a filter couldn't remove the levels found in some homes.

On top of all that Snyder KNEW about what had happened (switching to a source 12 times more corrosive without treating first) a year before he said a word.

These pipes should never have been in the ground to begin with, there was stimulus money Granted to the city of Flint to deal with this, Democrats in charge of the city used it to plug a hole in their pension instead of what it was Granted for

If not for the corruption of Democrats that have been in charge of Flint since the 50's this would not have happened.

[Tahuyaman]

Flint water crisis: New criminal charges filed
Did Hillary Clinton address the Flint water crisis in her speech last night, or was she stuck on spewing clichés like "with no ceiling, the sky is the limit" or "we should build bridges, not walls"?

[Tahuyaman]

These pipes should never have been in the ground to begin with, there was stimulus money Granted to the city of Flint to deal with this, Democrats in charge of the city used it to plug a hole in their pension instead of what it was Granted for...

If that is true, someone should be held accountable for that.

[Bo-4]

These pipes should never have been in the ground to begin with, there was stimulus money Granted to the city of Flint to deal with this, Democrats in charge of the city used it to plug a hole in their pension instead of what it was Granted for

If not for the corruption of Democrats that have been in charge of Flint since the 50's this would not have happened.

Zelmo, you're too smart than to blame this particular steaming stinkhole of a mess on Dems.

First of all, there are thousands of miles of lead pipes all over the country.

As long as the H20 isn't too corrosive OR if it is properly treated for corrosiveness, most of those old lead pipes are not a problem.

And they were NOT a problem prior to the switch by Ricks emergency mgr which was intended to save a few bucks.

*I have 15 years in commercial industrial water treatment btw ;-)

The city officials had ZERO influence once the emergency manager was in place - so this FUBAR of a decision had nothing to do with them.

Center example is what lead pipes running untreated water 12 times the max recommended corrosiveness look like after about a year. They will ALL have to be replaced.

Cost is $7500 per home

http://iowadailydemocrat.com/content/uploads/2016/02/water-pipes.jpg

[Bo-4]

If that is true, someone should be held accountable for that.

It isn't true. Nobody ever gave Flint the kind of money it would have taken to replace ALL lead pipes in Flint (about $7500 PER HOME).

[Tahuyaman]

It isn't true. Nobody ever gave Flint the kind of money it would have taken to replace ALL lead pipes in Flint (about $7500 PER HOME).


How much money was misused?

[Bo-4]

For What?

Maybe the could charge the former Mayor that took the 30 million dollar grant for the water system and used it to sure up the cities Pension fund?

30 million wouldn't have replaced even 5% of the lead pipes in Flint. Besides which, there was no lead problem prior to the water switch.

[Tahuyaman]

http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/25/the-flint-water-crisis-is-the-result-of

[zelmo1234]

Zelmo, you're to smart than to blame this particular steaming stinkhole of a mess on Dems.

First of all, there are thousands of miles of lead pipes all over the country.

As long as the H20 isn't too corrosive OR if it is properly treated for corrosiveness, most of those old lead pipes are not a problem.

And they were NOT a problem prior to the switch by Ricks emergency mgr which was intended to save a few bucks.

*I have 15 years in commercial industrial water treatment btw ;-)

The city officials had ZERO influence once the emergency manager was in place - so this FUBAR of a decision had nothing to do with them.

Center example is what lead pipes running untreated water 12 times the max recommended corrosiveness look like after about a year. They will ALL have to be replaced.

Cost is $7500 per home

http://iowadailydemocrat.com/content/uploads/2016/02/water-pipes.jpg

First if you have ever been to flint you would know that it will not cost 7500 dollars a home in many cases it is les that 20 feet from the street to the home.

Only 2% of the homes in flint are effected. The Democrats did not have a say in Flint, because they bankrupt the city. The people of the state bailed them out and demanded that there was more accountability for their money.

If you are in water treatment, you will understand that your statement that Lead levels were so high that it could not all be removed with a filter? That of course is false because lead is lead, it does not matter the amount if the filter is designed to remove lead, then lead particles can't get through.

Flint has been a shit hole for decades, They bankrupt the city, if they had not then the state would have never been involved.

[Tahuyaman]

30 million wouldn't have replaced even 5% of the lead pipes in Flint. Besides which, there was no lead problem prior to the water switch.


One minute you are complaining about lead pipes and the next the lead pipes were not a problem.

[Bo-4]

First if you have ever been to flint you would know that it will not cost 7500 dollars a home in many cases it is les that 20 feet from the street to the home.

Only 2% of the homes in flint are effected. The Democrats did not have a say in Flint, because they bankrupt the city. The people of the state bailed them out and demanded that there was more accountability for their money.

If you are in water treatment, you will understand that your statement that Lead levels were so high that it could not all be removed with a filter? That of course is false because lead is lead, it does not matter the amount if the filter is designed to remove lead, then lead particles can't get through.

Flint has been a shit hole for decades, They bankrupt the city, if they had not then the state would have never been involved.
@zelmo1234 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=588) - I'm not going to go point by point over that which i have already proven via links.

The ONLY processes that can remove ALL lead (and other impurities) are reverse osmosis, distillation or deionization.

None of these are considered "filtration" and all are fairly expensive processes (you can get a decent home R/O system such as i have for around $600 plus installation and annual servicing).

Inexpensive filters do NOT remove ALL of anything other than chlorine and they solve some taste and odor issues.

These consist of carbon and/or charcoal sometimes combined with a 5 micron pre filter to remove larger particulate matter.

Lead levels in MANY Flint homes (not sure where your 2% number came from but it's nonsense) EXCEEDED the maximum levels for the ratings on filters they were handing out.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/29/epa-high-lead-levels-flint-exceed-filters-ability/79540740/

Bo out ;-)

[Bo-4]

One minute you are complaining about lead pipes and the next the lead pipes were not a problem.

God you're slow. Lead pipes are not generally a problem unless you start running ridiculously corrosive water through them such as they did in Flint without treating it first.

Can't fix stoopid

[Captain Obvious]

People in Flint poisoned their children because of their stupidity, they got exactly what they deserved.

[Captain Obvious]

This is what happens when you support progress and rhe establishment, fraud and incompetence.

[Bo-4]

People in Flint poisoned their children because of their stupidity, they got exactly what they deserved.

Don't be ignant ;-)

[Tahuyaman]

God you're slow. Lead pipes are not generally a problem unless you start running ridiculously corrosive water through them such as they did in Flint without treating it first.

Can't fix stoopid


Now lead pipes aren't a problem.

[Bo-4]

Sad man, i give you a H20 Treatment 101 lesson and you've abandoned me?

:(

[Bo-4]

Now lead pipes aren't a problem.

F off .. thanks in advance

[Tahuyaman]

F off .. thanks in advance


Wow. It took you longer than usual. I'm impressed.

[zelmo1234]

@zelmo1234 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=588) - I'm not going to go point by point over that which i have already proven via links.

The ONLY processes that can remove ALL lead (and other impurities) are reverse osmosis, distillation or deionization.

None of these are considered "filtration" and all are fairly expensive processes (you can get a decent home R/O system such as i have for around $600 plus installation and annual servicing).

Inexpensive filters do NOT remove ALL of anything other than chlorine and they solve some taste and odor issues.

These consist of carbon and/or charcoal sometimes combined with a 5 micron pre filter to remove larger particulate matter.

Lead levels in MANY Flint homes (not sure where your 2% number came from but it's nonsense) EXCEEDED the maximum levels for the ratings on filters they were handing out.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/29/epa-high-lead-levels-flint-exceed-filters-ability/79540740/

Bo out ;-)

And it will always remove 100% of the lead.

And you may have been out of the market for a while but there are several under counter filters that do remove lead. But of course they do need to be changed when needed

http://www.waterfiltercomparisons.com/drinking-water-filters-reviews/?_ga=1.55802603.197510941.1430928748&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%5BADL%5D%20Generic%20-%20Filters%20-%20Unspecified%20-%20Lead%20%5BNON-BRAND%5D%20%5BUS%5D%20%5BSEARCH%5D%20%5BCOMPUTERS% 5D%20-%20(EXACT)&utm_term=water%20filter%20that%20removes%20lead&utm_content=Filters%20-%20Lead%20-%20Remove%20-%20Water&kwid=ba314434051844a39f94ee4c7a4adf4f#start_compar e&d=mp