Abolishing the Department of Education and Sec. Ed.

[Boris The Animal]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/229936/wanting-abolish-department-education-not-radical-mona-charen


Folks, From the time this unconstitutional Federal agency was formed (payola to the Teacher's Unions for their 1976 endorsement of Jimmah Cahtah) to now, educational standards and results have been swirling the toilet bowl. Education needs to be exclusively at the local level and school districts not be held hostage with funding if they don't comply with another worthless Federal regulation (Common Core, anyone).

[Oboe]

Just look at all the liberal imbeciles they have turned out, which was the goal all along.

[decedent]

So.... the poorest states like Mississippi an Arkansas will have even worse education?

[Boris The Animal]

So.... the poorest states like Mississippi an Arkansas will have even worse education?It's all about total control with the Left. And this is a prime example of it.

[Boris The Animal]

Just look at all the liberal imbeciles they have turned out, which was the goal all along.Yup. Remember the education fads like "Outcome-Based 'Education'" and now Common Core? Whatever happened to sticking to the basics?

[gamewell45]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/229936/wanting-abolish-department-education-not-radical-mona-charen


Folks, From the time this unconstitutional Federal agency was formed (payola to the Teacher's Unions for their 1976 endorsement of Jimmah Cahtah) to now, educational standards and results have been swirling the toilet bowl. Education needs to be exclusively at the local level and school districts not be held hostage with funding if they don't comply with another worthless Federal regulation (Common Core, anyone).

If the school districts don't like federal regulations, then they should stick by their principals and refuse federal money. sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. The difference in monies lost can always be made up by increasing the taxes on the local taxpayer who can rest easy since they won't have to worry about complying with Federal regulations anymore. A very simple solution.

[Boris The Animal]

If the school districts don't like federal regulations, then they should stick by their principals and refuse federal money. sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. The difference in monies lost can always be made up by increasing the taxes on the local taxpayer who can rest easy since they won't have to worry about complying with Federal regulations anymore. A very simple solution.
Even simpler still is to eliminate the Department and allow ALL school districts to do as they see fit without being held hostage by the Federal Government.

[zelmo1234]

So.... the poorest states like Mississippi an Arkansas will have even worse education?

Why?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/04/wallethub-education-rankings_n_5648067.html


We are spending more and Mississippi is still at the bottom, might as well save the money.

Education in the USA has become worse under federal control, to no ones surprise. It is time to return to what was working better, and they put the school systems in competition with voucher programs so parents can get their children the education that they deserve.

[donttread]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/229936/wanting-abolish-department-education-not-radical-mona-charen


Folks, From the time this unconstitutional Federal agency was formed (payola to the Teacher's Unions for their 1976 endorsement of Jimmah Cahtah) to now, educational standards and results have been swirling the toilet bowl. Education needs to be exclusively at the local level and school districts not be held hostage with funding if they don't comply with another worthless Federal regulation (Common Core, anyone).


The feds have no business in education but they won't let go because it's how they train good little subjects

[zelmo1234]

If the school districts don't like federal regulations, then they should stick by their principals and refuse federal money. sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. The difference in monies lost can always be made up by increasing the taxes on the local taxpayer who can rest easy since they won't have to worry about complying with Federal regulations anymore. A very simple solution.

Federal Money????? where do you think that comes from. Most of education is funded by the states. but all of the money comes from the people. Why should the people have to deal with Stupid rules, like common core that take time away from educating their children, and try to indoctrinate them.

[gamewell45]

Even simpler still is to eliminate the Department and allow ALL school districts to do as they see fit without being held hostage by the Federal Government.
It would then give the federal government the excuse to eliminate federal aid to schools on a national basis. I highly doubt it you'd get the support necessary to eliminate the department.

[Boris The Animal]

It would then give the federal government the excuse to eliminate federal aid to schools on a national basis.Good. that money would be shifted back to the states anyways
I highly doubt it you'd get the support necessary to eliminate the department.With the piss poor results since 1978, support for public school alternatives is growing. Charters, in principle, are kicking the asses of district schools for example.

[gamewell45]

Federal Money????? where do you think that comes from. Most of education is funded by the states. but all of the money comes from the people. Why should the people have to deal with Stupid rules, like common core that take time away from educating their children, and try to indoctrinate them.

The states have a choice; no one is forcing common core down their throats; if certain school districts are opposed to it, then refuse to embrace it. So what you loose the money from the feds. My point is sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. Besides the lost money can always be made up by raising taxes locally where the taxpayer the amount they pay.

[Boris The Animal]

Why?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/04/wallethub-education-rankings_n_5648067.html


We are spending more and Mississippi is still at the bottom, might as well save the money.

Education in the USA has become worse under federal control, to no ones surprise. It is time to return to what was working better, and they put the school systems in competition with voucher programs so parents can get their children the education that they deserve.Zel, if you recall, it was quid pro quo to the teacher's unions for their 1976 endorsement of Jimmy Carter. Ever since then, performance has gone down the toilet.

[gamewell45]

Good. that money would be shifted back to the states anyways.

There is no guarantee that it will in fact occur; the monies could easily be shifted towards the military or some other boondoggle.

[Boris The Animal]

The states have a choice; no one is forcing common core down their throats; if certain school districts are opposed to it, then refuse to embrace it. So what you loose the money from the feds. My point is sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. Besides the lost money can always be made up by raising taxes locally where the taxpayer the amount they pay.
But they are still being FORCED to pay the federal taxes to support the unconstitutional "Education" department.

[Boris The Animal]

There is no guarantee that it will in fact occur; the monies could easily be shifted towards the military or some other boondoggle.You call a Constitutional mandate (National Defense) a boondoggle?

[del]

You call a Constitutional mandate (National Defense) a boondoggle?

you call $178M plane a constitutional mandate?

[zelmo1234]

The states have a choice; no one is forcing common core down their throats; if certain school districts are opposed to it, then refuse to embrace it. So what you loose the money from the feds. My point is sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. Besides the lost money can always be made up by raising taxes locally where the taxpayer the amount they pay.

Yes money that was sent to the feds by the people of that state.

I think it is about time that the states keep the money collected from taxes, and send the feds what is left over.

And better yet the money should be appointed equally among the students and the parents should be able to sent their children to the school of their choice.

[Boris The Animal]

you call $178M plane a constitutional mandate?It is if it improves our military capability. Or would you rather go back to the P40s of WWII?

[zelmo1234]

Zel, if you recall, it was quid pro quo to the teacher's unions for their 1976 endorsement of Jimmy Carter. Ever since then, performance has gone down the toilet.

Of course it has gone down, the Government become involved.

What is happening in Education now is the money for teaching is high enough so conservatives are not seeking teaching jobs. keeping their views under wrate until they have tenure and then actually tring to teach instead of indoctrinate the students

[Boris The Animal]

Of course it has gone down, the Government become involved.

What is happening in Education now is the money for teaching is high enough so conservatives are not seeking teaching jobs. keeping their views under wrate until they have tenure and then actually tring to teach instead of indoctrinate the studentsI'm still amused at the fact that Liberals cannot get the connection between Jimmy Carter's payola in '78 and the rapid decline of education in the US. The ONLY thing that slowed it down was Bill Bennett being Sec. Ed during the Reagan years.

[Don]

What's not to like. Spend more money and the kids get dumber. Its almost like someone wanted it that way. Remember 1984? The Ministry of Truth and the Ministry of Justice? Name the departments the exact opposite of what you actually intend for them to do. Now why was the Dept. of Energy created?

[Subdermal]

The states have a choice; no one is forcing common core down their throats; if certain school districts are opposed to it, then refuse to embrace it. So what you loose the money from the feds. My point is sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. Besides the lost money can always be made up by raising taxes locally where the taxpayer the amount they pay.

You greedy big government clown.

The people who live in those States are paying Federal Income Taxes, which is where this money that your tyrant ass is attempting to withhold comes from.

They should not have to pay it to begin with, and the State can handle their own business, like they did in the past when the education system actually worked.

So get bent.

[Green Arrow]

The problem isn't the Department of Education, the problem is how the DoEd is structured and run.

[gamewell45]

But they are still being FORCED to pay the federal taxes to support the unconstitutional "Education" department.

The same argument could be made for social Security, Medicare, Medicade, DOT, etc. yet, very few people seem to object.

[Subdermal]

The problem isn't the Department of Education, the problem is how the DoEd is structured and run.

That is quite the hairsplitting distinction.

The DoE should not exist. It is not only not necessary, it has proven itself to be a major failure.

[gamewell45]

You call a Constitutional mandate (National Defense) a boondoggle?

Yes, because of the corruption in the military system where the tax payers are getting ripped off by military contractors, getting us involved with illegal wars (actions where no articles of declaration of war are filed) and needless police actions. That's what makes it a boondoggle in my opinion.

[Crepitus]

Yes money that was sent to the feds by the people of that state.

I think it is about time that the states keep the money collected from taxes, and send the feds what is left over.

And better yet the money should be appointed equally among the students and the parents should be able to sent their children to the school of their choice.
MS gets quite a bit more than they send in. Who's gonna make that up?

[Ethereal]

Yea, but if we abolished the Department of Education how would people get educated? Bet you didn't think of that one, did ya? I mean, are people just going to get educated without the federal government or something? Yea, like that would ever happen!

[Ethereal]

Anyway, when Republican so-called "conservatives" start calling for the abolition of the blatantly unconstitutional and monstrously anti-liberty federal war on drugs, then I'll start taking their "small government" constitution-loving rhetoric seriously. Until then, they are fundamentally no different than the worst big government Democrat. And this dissonance between "small government" rhetoric and totalitarian drug war policies is a big reason why so many normal, non-loyalist people view Republicans as huge phonies.

[Ethereal]

If the school districts don't like federal regulations, then they should stick by their principals and refuse federal money. sometimes you have to sacrifice for what you believe in. The difference in monies lost can always be made up by increasing the taxes on the local taxpayer who can rest easy since they won't have to worry about complying with Federal regulations anymore. A very simple solution.

In other words, they should send their money to Washington DC but refuse to get some of it back out of "principle".

What principle is that, exactly? Allowing yourself to be extorted?

[Ethereal]

It is if it improves our military capability. Or would you rather go back to the P40s of WWII?

Why don't we just spend 100% of our GDP on weapon systems? After all, if it improves our military capability, then what else matters?

[Ethereal]

Welfare dependency, the authoritarian nanny-state, and military imperialism.

These are the three illiberal pillars of the big government temple.

And they are protected by an unholy alliance of Democrats and Republicans.

[donttread]

Federal Money????? where do you think that comes from. Most of education is funded by the states. but all of the money comes from the people. Why should the people have to deal with Stupid rules, like common core that take time away from educating their children, and try to indoctrinate them.

Not only that but the cost of sending that money to Washington, having it sit there and eventually sent back with strings attached is enormous.

[donttread]

In other words, they should send their money to Washington DC but refuse to get some of it back out of "principle".

What principle is that, exactly? Allowing yourself to be extorted?

Nope, the states should seize federal withholdings before they are sent to washington.

[donttread]

In other words, they should send their money to Washington DC but refuse to get some of it back out of "principle".

What principle is that, exactly? Allowing yourself to be extorted?

Nope, the states should seize federal withholdings before they are sent to washington.

[donttread]

Welfare dependency, the authoritarian nanny-state, and military imperialism.

These are the three illiberal pillars of the big government temple.

And they are protected by an unholy alliance of Democrats and Republicans.


Don't forget about megacorp worship and their increasing control of the food and water supply

[Peter1469]

If we are removing federal departments the Department of Energy must go. It was created for one purpose: to make the US energy independent. By any measure it has not just failed, but failed totally.

[Green Arrow]

If we are removing federal departments the Department of Energy must go. It was created for one purpose: to make the US energy independent. By any measure it has not just failed, but failed totally.

Then the problem would seem to be who is running it, not the existence of the Department itself.

[Peter1469]

Then the problem would seem to be who is running it, not the existence of the Department itself.

They have never done a thing to achieve their stated goal.

[Tahuyaman]

So.... the poorest states like Mississippi an Arkansas will have even worse education?


Why would that be?

Maybe they would have greater funding if they kept their money there instead of first sending it to Washington DC?

[Green Arrow]

They have never done a thing to achieve their stated goal.

Right. So change the leadership.

[Green Arrow]

It is if it improves our military capability. Or would you rather go back to the P40s of WWII?

This is a perfect example of conservative cognitive dissonance. Just like liberal cognitive dissonance says that spemding more money on education and welfare will solve all our problems but spending too much on the military doesn't solve anything, conservative cognitive dissonance says that spending more money on education and welfare will not make education and welfare better, but spending more ridiculous amounts of money on our military makes us safer.

[decedent]

Why would that be?

Maybe they would have greater funding if they kept their money there instead of first sending it to Washington DC?

Red states are the most in debt. http://www.thestatesproject.org/state-debt/

[Safety]

Red states are the most in debt. http://www.thestatesproject.org/state-debt/

Wait for the blame to be placed on minorities...

[Tahuyaman]

Red states are the most in debt. http://www.thestatesproject.org/state-debt/


All the more reason for them to keep their money at home instead of sending it to Washington DC.

[Tahuyaman]

Wait for the blame to be placed on minorities...

Didn't you just do that with your baiting comment?

[Safety]

All the more reason for them to keep their money at home instead of sending it to Washington DC.

Ah yes, the red states can't do it, but the blue states are able to send more money to DC than they receive....

[Safety]

Didn't you just do that with your baiting comment?

Do you understand what a prediction is? It doesn't just work for rain...

[Tahuyaman]

Why would the elimination of a federal agency which is contributing to the destruction of public school systems all over the nation be a considered red vs blue issue?

[Tahuyaman]

Do you understand what a prediction is? It doesn't just work for rain...


Then you should have phrased your comment as a prediction.

But we both know that you were just baiting and trolling, as usual.

[Safety]

Then you should have phrased your comment as a prediction.

But we both know that you were just baiting and trolling, as usual.

Your assumption meter is broken....

[Tahuyaman]

Your assumption meter is broken....


Wrong yet again. You didn't get the response you were trolling for.

[del]

Wrong yet again. You didn't get the response you were trolling for.


Your assumption meter is broken....

:biglaugh:

[Safety]

Wrong yet again. You didn't get the response you were trolling for.

Two schools of thoughts here...if I was "trolling", you fell for it hook line and sinker..or I was not trolling at all and you just trolled yourself.

Here's a hint...I was not trolling.

[Tahuyaman]

Two schools of thoughts here...if I was "trolling", you fell for it hook line and sinker..or I was not trolling at all and you just trolled yourself.

Here's a hint...I was not trolling.

you were trying to bait people into making a comment which you could then use for trolling purposes.

[Safety]

you were trying to bait people into making a comment which you could then use for trolling purposes.

I expressed my opinion. Are you going to restrict that now?

[Tahuyaman]

I expressed my opinion. Are you going to restrict that now?


First you said you were making a prediction, now you are claiming that you expressed an opinion. Take one position or the other, then support it.


In reality you did neither.

[Safety]

First you said you were making a prediction, now you are claiming that you expressed an opinion. Take one position or the other, then support it.


In reality you did neither.

An opinion and a prediction are not mutually exclusive, brah.

[NapRover]

Anyway, when Republican so-called "conservatives" start calling for the abolition of the blatantly unconstitutional and monstrously anti-liberty federal war on drugs, then I'll start taking their "small government" constitution-loving rhetoric seriously. Until then, they are fundamentally no different than the worst big government Democrat. And this dissonance between "small government" rhetoric and totalitarian drug war policies is a big reason why so many normal, non-loyalist people view Republicans as huge phonies.

Small wonder we don't support banning guns! Banning drugs has the same effect as prohibition.

[NapRover]

Red states are the most in debt. http://www.thestatesproject.org/state-debt/
So California and Illinois don't have serious issues at all? I wasn't aware that creative number crunching could portray this.

[decedent]

So California and Illinois don't have serious issues at all? I wasn't aware that creative number crunching could portray this.

It's a percentage of GSP.

[Boris The Animal]

Why would the elimination of a federal agency which is contributing to the destruction of public school systems all over the nation be a considered red vs blue issue?
If you recall in my OP, the main idea of forming the Dept. of "Education" was total payola to the teacher's unions by Jimmah Cahtah.