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Common
08-05-2016, 08:39 AM
Former Hostage on WH's Ransom Payment: Iranians Were Waiting For Another Plane to Land Before Releasing Us Oops we have a real quandary here, first hand information about the plane delayed and the iranians saying we are waiting for another plane until then we never let you go.. plus GASP hes a muslim.

Looks like another Fast and Furious holder/obama BS story


The White House continues to deny that the $400 million given to Iran in a cash payment of other currencies (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2016/08/04/krauthammer-on-iran-ransom-its-money-laundering-and-will-also-kill-muslims-jews-americans-and-foreigners-n2201703) under the cover of night (https://grabien.com/story.php?id=61653&utm_source=cliplist20160805&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cliplist&utm_content=story61653) was not a ransom payment for the four Americans Tehran released.
But one of the former captives, pastor Saeed Abedini, spoke out (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/08/04/freed-iranian-hostage-iranians-told-me-they-were-waiting-for-another-plane-to-arrive-before-letting-us-go/) on Thursday about his experience moments before he and his fellow Americans were finally freed, which tells a different story.
“I just remember the night that we’d been in a[n] airport, just take hours and hours there. And I asked one of the…police that was with us, that, why are you not letting us to go to the…plane? And he told me we are waiting for another plane, and if that plane takes off, then we’re going to let you go,” he said on Fox Business’ “The Intelligence Report with Trish Regan.”
“[T]hey told us you’re going to be there for 20 minutes. But it took like hours and hours. We slept at the airport, and when I asked them why you don’t let us go, because the plane was there, pilot was there, everyone was ready that we leave the country, they said we are waiting for another plane, and until that plane doesn’t come, we never let you go,” he continued.

And while his captors didn’t talk about money—just the plane—Abedini answered in the affirmative as to whether they were “effectively waiting for the money to come in before they then let [him] take off.”

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2016/08/05/saeed-abedini-on-whs-ransom-payment-iranians-were-waiting-for-another-plane-to-land-before-releasing-us-n2202106

zelmo1234
08-05-2016, 08:45 AM
The nice part is Hillary is on Record Supporting this payment

And they set the price 100 million for a US citizen. Good luck Traveling over seas

nathanbforrest45
08-05-2016, 08:51 AM
Why are you all concerned about this. Did you know any of the hostages personally. Are you against black people being free.

Cigar
08-05-2016, 08:52 AM
:pointlaugh: Trump Chocladites

kcvet
08-05-2016, 09:04 AM
let's see how much death 400 mil can buy

zelmo1234
08-05-2016, 09:04 AM
Why are you all concerned about this. Did you know any of the hostages personally. Are you against black people being free.

Well now that we have told the world that the USA will pay 100 million to free one of it's citizens, do you think that Citizens living, working, and traveling overseas will be safer, or are they more at risk.

Second he spent 400 million dollars of tax payer money, not authorized by Congress! That is un constitutional

kcvet
08-05-2016, 09:08 AM
Well now that we have told the world that the USA will pay 100 million to free one of it's citizens, do you think that Citizens living, working, and traveling overseas will be safer, or are they more at risk.

Second he spent 400 million dollars of tax payer money, not authorized by Congress! That is un constitutional

what constitution ??

https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/constitution-toilet-paper.jpg#Obama toilet paper

Subdermal
08-05-2016, 09:12 AM
I used to wonder how communist government's come to be; how they retain power.

It's imbeciles who will support whatever their leftist heroes do, no matter what.

zelmo1234
08-05-2016, 09:19 AM
I used to wonder how communist government's come to be; how they retain power.

It's imbeciles who will support whatever their leftist heroes do, no matter what.

It is the education system! The Democrats were brilliant in taking over the system Carter while being the second worst President in modern history, Gave the Democrats a gift when he created the DOE

The Reason that you see the all out push for the demise of democracy and the institution of Socialism, is because they made a mistake with the Teachers Unions.

Back in the 70's Teaching was a calling, the pay was fairly low, but Democrats kept pushing through the Unions and now a Teacher makes a pretty good living for 8 months of work!

Conservatives are moving rapidly into the School systems, And they lie to get hired. Once they achieve Tenure, they are impossible to fire, so they can start indoctrinating just like the left has been doing.

The Democrats have about 20 years to complete the transition or the tide will start to turn. IF Hillary wins they will have the Court that they need. So that will be a big help.

Cigar
08-05-2016, 09:32 AM
Any Bets on when Trump talks about real issues?

kcvet
08-05-2016, 09:33 AM
It is the education system! The Democrats were brilliant in taking over the system Carter while being the second worst President in modern history, Gave the Democrats a gift when he created the DOE

The Reason that you see the all out push for the demise of democracy and the institution of Socialism, is because they made a mistake with the Teachers Unions.

Back in the 70's Teaching was a calling, the pay was fairly low, but Democrats kept pushing through the Unions and now a Teacher makes a pretty good living for 8 months of work!

Conservatives are moving rapidly into the School systems, And they lie to get hired. Once they achieve Tenure, they are impossible to fire, so they can start indoctrinating just like the left has been doing.

The Democrats have about 20 years to complete the transition or the tide will start to turn. IF Hillary wins they will have the Court that they need. So that will be a big help.

and disarm the citizens

http://i63.tinypic.com/11rvgxi.jpg

kcvet
08-05-2016, 09:38 AM
Any Bets on when Trump talks about real issues?

as soon as Hitlery can STFU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tejQJ5dsX8

domer76
08-05-2016, 09:41 AM
Well now that we have told the world that the USA will pay 100 million to free one of it's citizens, do you think that Citizens living, working, and traveling overseas will be safer, or are they more at risk.

Second he spent 400 million dollars of tax payer money, not authorized by Congress! That is un constitutional

It was frozen Iranian assets.

Ransom
08-05-2016, 10:14 AM
It was frozen Iranian assets.

Unfrozen in exchange for hostages, domer. A clear payment of ransom, here this tactic that ISIS and other terror groups use of hostages for ransom works with the sitting Iranian government.

You're not this stupid and you're not good enough to hide your agenda either. Your agenda of course that of bucket carrier.

AZ Jim
08-05-2016, 10:31 AM
If it wasn't for the misinformation spread among Republicans they wouldn't have any information. America has a long standing history of NOT PAYING FOR HOSTAGES!! The money returned was Iran's money originally tendered for military equipment we decided not to supply. You fool only yourselves with this kind of BS. It makes you look desperate.

Ransom
08-05-2016, 10:32 AM
If it wasn't for the misinformation spread among Republicans they wouldn't have any information. America has a long standing history of NOT PAYING FOR HOSTAGES!! The money returned was Iran's money originally tendered for military equipment we decided not to supply. You fool only yourselves with this kind of BS. It makes you look desperate.

Thanks for bringing the spit bucket, you can empty it now.

Ransom
08-05-2016, 10:39 AM
:kiss_ass:

domer76
08-05-2016, 10:45 AM
Unfrozen in exchange for hostages, domer. A clear payment of ransom, here this tactic that ISIS and other terror groups use of hostages for ransom works with the sitting Iranian government.

You're not this stupid and you're not good enough to hide your agenda either. Your agenda of course that of bucket carrier.

The $400 million was announced in January, after years of negotiations. I realize RWNJs love conspiracies these days, just like they found Communists behind every bush in the 50s.

Simple minds work that way.

Cigar
08-05-2016, 10:49 AM
The $400 million was announced in January, after years of negotiations. I realize RWNJs love conspiracies these days, just like they found Communists behind every bush in the 50s.

Simple minds work that way.

... and it was NEVER anyone else money :laugh:

What are we now suppose to operate like Trump and take money without delivering services?

Ransom
08-05-2016, 10:52 AM
The $400 million was announced in January, after years of negotiations. I realize RWNJs love conspiracies these days, just like they found Communists behind every bush in the 50s.

Simple minds work that way.

Yeah.....I wonder how f'n simple your mind needs to be to rather than unfreeze Iranian funds as promised, you secretly fly Swiss francs, euros and other currencies into Iran on stacked wooden pallets.

Roses are red
violets are blue
nobody is this f'n stupid
and neither are ewe

You're bucket carrying, Leftist.

exotix
08-05-2016, 10:56 AM
http://s9.tinypic.com/2884k7k_th.jpg

Trump flips on Iran video claim

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-flips-on-iran-video-claim/ar-BBvi4mn?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp


http://i66.tinypic.com/k9xkra.png

Bo-4
08-05-2016, 11:02 AM
There was no ransom payment. That conspiracy theory has been debunked.

It was a portion (delivered in JANUARY) of the Iranian money paid to us for weapons that were never delivered.

But hey, enjoy your little fantasy anyway. ;)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/05/400-million-in-cash-was-flown-to-iran-back-in-january-was-that-wrong/

domer76
08-05-2016, 11:06 AM
Yeah.....I wonder how f'n simple your mind needs to be to rather than unfreeze Iranian funds as promised, you secretly fly Swiss francs, euros and other currencies into Iran on stacked wooden pallets.

Roses are red
violets are blue
nobody is this f'n stupid
and neither are ewe

You're bucket carrying, Leftist.

There are numerous articles explaining exactly what the agreements were. The President also explained it yesterday. That you are unable to process reality is on you.

Cletus
08-05-2016, 12:03 PM
Even Iran is admitting it was ransom.

kcvet
08-05-2016, 12:05 PM
you can bet the IDF will take Iran out.

waltky
09-09-2016, 12:13 PM
This just keeps gettin' curiouser an' curiouser...
http://www.newsforum.com/images/smilies/confused.gif
Iran May Have Received as Much as $33.6 Billion in Cash, Gold Payments From U.S.
September 8, 2016 - New questions emerge on several billions paid out to Iran by Obama admin


Iran may have received an additional $33.6 billion in secret cash and gold payments facilitated by the Obama administration between 2014 and 2016, according to testimony provided before Congress by an expert on last summer’s nuclear agreement with Iran. Between January 2014 and July 2015, when the Obama administration was hammering out the final details of the nuclear accord, Iran was paid $700 million every month from funds that had previously been frozen by U.S. sanctions. A total of $11.9 billion was ultimately paid to Iran, but the details surrounding these payments remain shrouded in mystery, according to Mark Dubowitz, executive director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. In total, “Iran may have received as much as $33.6 billion in cash or in gold and other precious metals,” Dubowitz disclosed. New questions about these payments are emerging following confirmation from top Obama administration officials on Thursday that it was forced to pay Iran $1.7 billion in cash prior to the release of several U.S. hostages earlier this year. The administration insisted that cash had to be used for this payment.

Top administration officials were adamant that the cash payments were the best way to ensure that Iran got immediate access to this money due to its ongoing difficulty accessing international funds still sanctioned by the West. Lawmakers and others are now pressing the administration to disclose how a slew of other payments to Iran were made in the years leading up to the final nuclear accord. “In July, the Associated Press cited U.S. officials who estimated that Iran ‘brought home less than $20 billion.’ Were these funds repatriated to Tehran in cash or in gold and precious metals? Through the formal financial system? Or through some combination?” Dubowitz asked in his testimony before the House Financial Services Committee. “The administration should also clarify if the $20 billion dollars is inclusive of the $11.9 billion in [Joint Plan of Action] funds, or if the $20 billion was in addition to the $11.9 billion,” he said. “Either way, it is important to understand how funds were sent. The worst-case scenario here is that Iran may have received as much as $33.6 billion in cash or in gold and other precious metals.” At least some of this money was likely sent in cash and other assets, according to Dubowitz. The Obama administration was forced to disclose on Thursday that current sanctions and banking restrictions prohibited it from transferring funds to Iran via electronic methods.

The cash payment of $1.7 billion earlier this year was the easiest way to ensure Iran got immediate access to the money, according to these officials. “Iran had to have it in cash,” Paul Ahern, assistant general counsel for enforcement and intelligence at the Treasury Department, told lawmakers. “Iran was very aware of the difficulties it would face in accessing and using the funds if they were in any other form than cash, even after the lifting of sanctions.” A cash delivery “was the most reliable way that they received the funds in a timely manner and it was the manner preferred by the relative foreign banks,” Ahren said. Given the situation, it is likely that the multiple past payments to Iran were conducted in a similar fashion, according to Dubowitz. “If the White House could only send cash to Iran from the start of the JPOA period through the Tribunal payment that could amount to a grant total of 33.6 billion,” he said. “Did any of this money go through the formal financial system? If so, the administration is not being truthful about the 1.7 billion. If many billions arrived in Iran on pallets [of cash] this would be a pretty astounding revelation.”

Michael Rubin, a former Pentagon official and expert on rogue regimes, said that cash payments of this nature are “highly irregular.” “There’s no reason it needed to be paid now. After all, successive administrations, both Democratic and Republican, have delayed payments so as to avoid funding Iranian terrorism,” Rubin said. “Likewise, if the United States freezes accounts linked to al Qaeda or Hamas, releasing it and saying, ‘It’s their money anyway,’ would not be a tenable explanation. Cash payments are highly irregular.” The Iranians have been clear that they “perceived the payment to be a ransom” despite the administration’s protestations, Rubin explained. “Not only has the delivery of the millions of dollars been perceived as a ransom, provided as an incentive to seize more hostages …. but because the money was delivered in cash the payment bolstered the strength of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and augmented its ability to finance and conduct terrorism,” he said.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-may-received-much-33-6-billion-cash-gold-payments-u-s/

exploited
09-09-2016, 01:47 PM
It is just your basic smear against Obama, propagated by people who have no comprehension of how things work at that level (hint: it isn't about right and wrong).

Tahuyaman
09-09-2016, 02:14 PM
What's the latest on this other 33 billion in cash and gold the administration sent Iran?

Tahuyaman
09-09-2016, 02:14 PM
It is just your basic smear against Obama, propagated by people who have no comprehension of how things work at that level (hint: it isn't about right and wrong).

But you know how things work, huh?

Tahuyaman
09-09-2016, 02:16 PM
What's the latest on this other 33 billion in cash and gold the administration sent Iran?

OK. I didn't see this until after I asked the question......


This just keeps gettin' curiouser an' curiouser...
http://www.newsforum.com/images/smilies/confused.gif
Iran May Have Received as Much as $33.6 Billion in Cash, Gold Payments From U.S.
September 8, 2016 - New questions emerge on several billions paid out to Iran by Obama admin

del
09-09-2016, 02:18 PM
What's the latest on this other 33 billion in cash and gold the administration sent Iran?

it's with your ph.d in quantum physics.

waltky
09-17-2016, 03:41 PM
Dat'll pay fer a lotta jihadis, thanks Obama...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_omg.gif
Analyst: Iran Could Spend More Than $1 Billion of $1.7 Billion Windfall on Terror
September 16, 2016 – The Iranian regime could direct more than $1 billion of the $1.7 billion it received from the Obama administration early this year towards sponsoring terrorism, a defense policy analyst said Thursday.


Rachel Hoff, director of defense analysis at the center-right American Action Forum, based the assertion on the fact – reported several weeks ago – that Iran has earmarked the $1.7 billion to its military budget; and to her own earlier research findings that some 65 percent of its defense budget is channeled to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). “It is unlikely that Iran accurately reports its military or paramilitary spending, but the reported budget figures are useful as a minimum baseline,” Hoff wrote. “Applying the official spending levels to the U.S. payment to Iran, the $1.7 billion could mean $1.1 billion for the IRGC.” The IRGC’s role in supporting terror plots and terrorist proxies around the world, particularly through its foreign operations arm, the Qods Force, is well-documented. The State Department says Iran remains the world’s “foremost state sponsor of terrorism.”

Iran last January and February received $1.7 billion, in cash, from the U.S. government in settlement of a claim for funds paid before the 1979 Iranian revolution for undelivered military equipment. $400 million was frozen Iranian funds, while the other $1.3 billion of U.S. taxpayers’ money was negotiated interest, accrued over three-and-a-half decades. (The funds were frozen after the revolution when regime-backed students seized the U.S. Embassy and took as hostage 52 Americans who were held for 444 days.)

Late last month, Iran’s Guardian Council ratified the country’s 2016-17 budget which, according to Foundation for Defense of Democracies research fellow Saeed Ghasseminejad, incorporated a legislative stipulation that the $1.7 billion from legal settlements go to the military budget. “There is no longer any doubt that the money the United States has paid to Iran will go to the Islamic Republic’s armed forces,” Ghasseminejad wrote in a Sept. 1 policy brief. “It remains unclear how the military will spend it – potentially to prop up the Syrian regime, Hezbollah, Shi’ite militias in Iraq, or Houthi rebels in Yemen, or to buy heavy weaponry from Russia in contravention of the U.N. arms embargo.”

The first U.S. payment, $400 million, was flown in to Tehran on the same day as the regime freed four imprisoned Americans. The administration rejected – and continues to reject – critics’ accusations that it amounted to a “ransom,” although later conceded that it had been used as “leverage” to ensure the Americans’ release that day.

MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/analyst-iran-could-spend-more-1-billion-17-billion-windfall-terror)

Peter1469
09-17-2016, 03:55 PM
Heck of a job, 'Bama.