Information about George Soros

[debbietoo]

I was recently posting on a right wing board about George Soros. I had not heard anything about him before. From what I understand, he is a Wall Street money market manipulator and broke the British Pound awhile back in the 1990's. He gives a lot to left wing causes and the right wing hates him with a passion and thinks he is trying to "rule the world". What do you know about him? Is he really that power hungry and evil? From what I have read, he gives millions to humanitarian causes, in addition to democratic campaigns.

[Captain Obvious]

The anti- Koch Brahs

[Captain Obvious]

Soros and the Koch's should be forced to clean rest rooms at a Waffle House in rural Virginia with all their wealth returned to middle class taxpayers.

[IMPress Polly]

There are two things for me: 1) how he made his money, and 2) what he sometimes does with it. Those are two very different things. I think he's a financial criminal like the rest of the financial aristocracy. However, I can't hate him as much as most of his ilk given that he supported Occupy Wall Street (including with some financial aid).

[Peter1469]

He is a globalist.

[AZ Jim]

I am pretty much ambivalent about him. Welcome to the forum Debbie. We lefties hold our own here in this den of rightwing wolves.

[Peter1469]

I am pretty much ambivalent about him. Welcome to the forum Debbie. We lefties hold our own here in this den of rightwing wolves.

Calm down. The lefties outnumber the right. Or it is pretty close to even.

[AZ Jim]

Calm down. The lefties outnumber the right. Or it is pretty close to even.You are, as usual.........WRONG!!

[Peter1469]

You are, as usual.........WRONG!!

lol

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[debbietoo]

I am pretty much ambivalent about him. Welcome to the forum Debbie. We lefties hold our own here in this den of rightwing wolves.

At least I am not outnumbered here by right wings. I was on the other board. It looks almost exactly like this one. They are very, very nasty toward democrats on that board. They actually bully democrats there. Here's what I found from Wikipedia, a pretty unbiased website, about Soros. I was actually impressed when I read it. I also abhor Bush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

[Bethere]

At least I am not outnumbered here by right wings. I was on the other board. It looks almost exactly like this one. They are very, very nasty toward democrats on that board. They actually bully democrats there.

Left wing and obnoxious, early returns suggest that even I am welcome.

[Common]

I am pretty much ambivalent about him. Welcome to the forum Debbie. We lefties hold our own here in this den of rightwing wolves.

Lol den of rightwing wolves huh, in a place where there are far more lefties and more left moderators.

Jim you are the gift that doesnt stop giving and you are truly leftwing bob

[IMPress Polly]

Peter wrote:
Calm down. The lefties outnumber the right. Or it is pretty close to even.

I strongly beg to differ. :tongue: It's at least 2 to 1 right of center, I think. And that's counting the centrists like AZ Jim and TrueBlue as leftists.


Common wrote:
Lol den of rightwing wolves huh, in a place where there are far more lefties and more left moderators.

I think you only perceive it that way because of how far to the right your politics are.

[PolWatch]

The last time we took a count, the righties outnumbered the lefties by a slight margin.

[Peter1469]

At least I am not outnumbered here by right wings. I was on the other board. It looks almost exactly like this one. They are very, very nasty toward democrats on that board. They actually bully democrats there. Here's what I found from Wikipedia, a pretty unbiased website, about Soros. I was actually impressed when I read it. I also abhor Bush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

All political points of view are welcome here.

[TrueBlue]

I am pretty much ambivalent about him. Welcome to the forum Debbie. We lefties hold our own here in this den of rightwing wolves.


Calm down. The lefties outnumber the right. Or it is pretty close to even.
Well you know, it's actually somewhat of a challenge to know who's a right-winger given that many who sure appear to be, disavow that, as they tend to conveniently dress in sheep's clothing when discussions ensue.

[AZ Jim]

At least I am not outnumbered here by right wings. I was on the other board. It looks almost exactly like this one. They are very, very nasty toward democrats on that board. They actually bully democrats there. Here's what I found from Wikipedia, a pretty unbiased website, about Soros. I was actually impressed when I read it. I also abhor Bush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_SorosBush? He was a master of failure.

[Peter1469]

Well you know, it's actually somewhat of a challenge to know who's a right-winger given that many who sure appear to be, disavow that, as they tend to conveniently dress in sheep's clothing when discussions ensue.

I suppose what you consider a 'right-winger' is necessary to understand this post. You can use my method if you wish.

[TrueBlue]

Here is great information about Mr. George Soros directly from his website. Mr. Soros is basically a good man with a kind heart to help others as a philanthropist!

George Soros

http://www.georgesoros.com/

[Peter1469]

He is a globalist.

[TrueBlue]

He is a globalist.

“To become a true global citizen, one must abandon all notions of 'otherness' and instead embrace 'togetherness'.”
― Suzy Kassem (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4551735.Suzy_Kassem), Rise Up and Salute the Sun: The Writings of Suzy Kassem (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/14994756)

[Peter1469]

― Suzy Kassem (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4551735.Suzy_Kassem), Rise Up and Salute the Sun: The Writings of Suzy Kassem (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/14994756)

Right. I am a nationalist. In the good sense of the word. :smiley:

Go USA.

[TrueBlue]

Right. I am a nationalist. In the good sense of the word. :smiley:

Go USA.
So, in essence, you want to start a new and separate nation, I see, as that is what many nationalists are inspired to do.

[debbietoo]

I think Soros has mostly good intentions and I admire the man. He's written some great books also.

[IMPress Polly]

I differentiate between internationalism and the globalization of capitalism these days. I am a fan of the free movement of labor. Not so much of the free movement of capital.

[FindersKeepers]

I think Soros has mostly good intentions and I admire the man. He's written some great books also.


Soros is a megalomaniac. A legend in his own mind.

He's as much as admitted it.


"I admit that I have always harbored an exaggerated view of my self-importance — to put it bluntly, I fancied myself as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes (each with his General Theory) or, even better, a scientist like Einstein (reflexivity sounds like relativity)." The Alchemy of Finance (http://books.google.com/books?id=JS9HpSYncTMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+alchemy+of+finance&hl=en&ei=3mXcTPipM4-q8AbXz6jcCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=I%20admit%20that%20I%20have%20always%20harbored% 20an%20exaggerate&f=false), George Soros


"I am acting out a fantasy and so is Eastern Europe (http://keywiki.org/index.php?title=Eastern_Europe&action=edit&redlink=1). A psychiatrist once told me how dangerous it is to act out fantasies and I am beginning to see what he meant. "Open Society Institute (http://www.osi.hu/oss/postscript.html)


"If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood which I felt I had to control, otherwise I might end up in the loony bin. But when I made my way in the world I wanted to indulge myself in my fantasies to the extent that I could afford. "Underwriting Democracy: Encouraging Free Enterprise And Democratic Reform Among the Soviets and in Eastern Europe (http://books.google.com/books?id=xbyRV-ZJAdEC&pg=PA3&dq=%22If+truth+be+known,+I+carried+some+rather+pot ent+messianic+fantasies+with+me+from+childhood,+wh ich+I+felt+I+had+to+control,+otherwise+they+might+ get+me+in&hl=en&ei=uCTcTKDBK4et8Aa319zPBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22If%20truth%20be%20known%2C%20I%20carried%20so me%20rather%20potent%20messianic%20fantasies%20wit h%20me%20from%20childhood%2C%20which%20I%20felt%20 I%20had%20to%20control%2C%20otherwise%20they%20mig ht%20get%20me%20in&f=false), George Soros

[zelmo1234]

At least I am not outnumbered here by right wings. I was on the other board. It looks almost exactly like this one. They are very, very nasty toward democrats on that board. They actually bully democrats there. Here's what I found from Wikipedia, a pretty unbiased website, about Soros. I was actually impressed when I read it. I also abhor Bush.



Politics is a blood sport. But I think letting Mr. Soro's tell you in his own words is the best way to find out about him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC4mr7GAUbI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Qr7TnWG74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etP0t7WlK_4

For those that do not like Corporate money in politics, Soro's spends more that 10 times the money that the Koch brothers do.

He makes his money by betting on the pain and suffering of other people. He is not a very nice person.

[Bethere]

Well you know, it's actually somewhat of a challenge to know who's a right-winger given that many who sure appear to be, disavow that, as they tend to conveniently dress in sheep's clothing when discussions ensue.

C'est vrai!

[zelmo1234]

I strongly beg to differ. :tongue: It's at least 2 to 1 right of center, I think. And that's counting the centrists like AZ Jim and TrueBlue as leftists.

I think you only perceive it that way because of how far to the right your politics are.

Yes Common is way to the right

See what happens Common, You don't hold the party line 100% and they want you off the reservations.

Apparently they don't remember the epic conversations that you have I have had in the past??

[zelmo1234]

So, in essence, you want to start a new and separate nation, I see, as that is what many nationalists are inspired to do.


What??? I don't know of anyone that wants to trash the constitution on the right???

It is the left that has the problems with the constitution. So tell me which party wants to move away from the constitution, and which one wants to adhere to the values of the founding fathers?

That will give you your answer

[TrueBlue]

C'est vrai!
Il est un fait connu que ceux à qui je parle va nie avec véhémence que.

[zelmo1234]

Il est un fait connu que ceux à qui je parle va nie avec véhémence que.




Maybe you should start speaking the Truth? It could help.

[Bethere]

Il est un fait connu que ceux à qui je parle va nie avec véhémence que.




la lecture de nos messages est amusant et instructif , mais pas de substitut à une éducation collégiale .

[Peter1469]

So, in essence, you want to start a new and separate nation, I see, as that is what many nationalists are inspired to do.



No, I like the one we have. Go George Washington. :wink:

[Peter1469]

I differentiate between internationalism and the globalization of capitalism these days. I am a fan of the free movement of labor. Not so much of the free movement of capital.

Capital creates the jobs....

You are not going to build a solar farm with fairy dust.

[nic34]

I strongly beg to differ. :tongue: It's at least 2 to 1 right of center, I think. And that's counting the centrists like AZ Jim and TrueBlue as leftists.



I think you only perceive it that way because of how far to the right your politics are.
Exactly.

[iustitia]

It's hilarious when the leftists think they're centrists. el-oh-fuckin-el

[Chris]

The last time we took a count, the righties outnumbered the lefties by a slight margin.

Hard to say but one thing's true and that that given there are only three or four libertarians here we're way outnumbered. I think I'll have a good cry. Anyone have a tissue, a whole box?

[Chris]

It's hilarious when the leftists think they're centrists. el-oh-fuckin-el

Welcome back!

[Newpublius]

I differentiate between internationalism and the globalization of capitalism these days. I am a fan of the free movement of labor. Not so much of the free movement of capital.

OK, so you don't think foreigners should be able to invest in the United States then?

[Chris]

Friedrich Hayek is generally regarded as the apostle of a brand of economics which holds that the market will assure the optimal allocation of resources — as long as the government doesn’t interfere. It is a formalized and mathematical theory, whose two main pillars are the efficient market hypothesis and the theory of rational expectations.

This is usually called the Chicago School, and it dominates the teaching of economics in the United States. I call it market fundamentalism.

I have an alternative interpretation — diametrically opposed to the efficient market hypothesis and rational expectations. It is built on the twin pillars of fallibility and reflexivity.
I firmly believe these principles are in accordance with Hayek’s ideas.

But we can’t both be right. If I am right, market fundamentalism is wrong. That means I must be able to show some inconsistency in Hayek’s ideas, which is what I propose to do....

George Soros, Why I agree with (some of) Hayek (http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/why-i-agree-with-some-of-hayek-053885)


Where to begin.

Friedrich Hayek's economics are of the Austrian School of Economics, Menger, Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe, to drop a few names.

The Chicago School is Milton Friedman and while there are similarities the schools differ widely.

"It is a formalized and mathematical theory, whose two main pillars are the efficient market hypothesis and the theory of rational expectations." None of that is Hayekian or Austrian in the least. Chicago, some, the the efficient market hypothesis was originally conceived by a financial economist of the Chicago School. The rest is pure Keynesian, or neoKeynsian, especially the highly formalized and mathematical part.

"the twin pillars of fallibility and reflexivity" come from Popper, The Open Society and its Enemies, a two volume argument against Plato, Hegel, Marx and central planning. Popper and Hayek were good friends and corresponded regularly so I'd venture to say Hayek accepted some of what Popper hypothesized.

Bottom line, Soros ain't got a clue what he's talking about. And all he means by "fallibility and reflexivity" is uncertainty, as in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, from quantum mechanics. And even this he muddies and muddles through, see Soros's paper, General Theory of Reflexivity (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0ca06172-bfe9-11de-aed2-00144feab49a.html#axzz4GhJ4nsGV):


And that is that social theories are reflexive. Heisenberg’s discovery of the uncertainty principle did not alter the behavior of quantum particles one iota, but social theories, whether Marxism, market fundamentalism or the theory of reflexivity, can affect the subject matter to which it refers. Scientific method is supposed to be devoted to the pursuit of truth. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle does not interfere with that postulate but the reflexivity of social theories does.

https://i.snag.gy/W4Gu9y.jpg

[Chris]

OK, so you don't think foreigners should be able to invest in the United States then?

Good grief. Most of the US$s that leak out of the country because of the trade deficit come home to roost in the purchase of Treasury bonds used to invest in domestic business, meaning jobs.

[Subdermal]

I am pretty much ambivalent about him. Welcome to the forum Debbie. We lefties hold our own here in this den of rightwing wolves.

:biglaugh:

No you don't. You're so routinely destroyed on this forum the lot of you have become joint laughing stocks.

Nearly none of you can form a cogent argument, nor stick with it.

And Debbie is a paid poster. Obviously.

[Bethere]

:biglaugh:

No you don't. You're so routinely destroyed on this forum the lot of you have become joint laughing stocks.

Nearly none of you can form a cogent argument, nor stick with it.

And Debbie is a paid poster. Obviously.

15656

[Subdermal]

I strongly beg to differ. :tongue: It's at least 2 to 1 right of center, I think. And that's counting the centrists like AZ Jim and TrueBlue as leftists.

:biglaugh:




I think you only perceive it that way because of how far to the right your politics are.

:biglaugh:

She says, while apparently being utterly oblivious that she's a communist.

[Subdermal]

Well you know, it's actually somewhat of a challenge to know who's a right-winger given that many who sure appear to be, disavow that, as they tend to conveniently dress in sheep's clothing when discussions ensue.

You think that what you engage in is discussion? By tPFing every one of your threads, and ban when someone says something with which you disagree?

:biglaugh:

[Subdermal]

15656

Oh look. It's the sock who brought another sock, and spins hamsters on a wheel when they've been destroyed in an argument.

[Bethere]

Oh look. It's the sock who brought another sock, and spins hamsters on a wheel when they've been destroyed in an argument.
15658

[Subdermal]

15658

...and clearly agrees with my assessment, apparently.

:biglaugh:

Another owned leftist. LOLOL

[TrueBlue]

You think that what you engage in is discussion? By tPFing every one of your threads, and ban when someone says something with which you disagree?

:biglaugh:
Cry all you want. The fact of the matter is that I don't have the switch to ban anyone. So obviously if the moderators who do the banning did not agree with me when requesting a ban individuals would not be banned. However, those who are, have broken the Admin's rules therefore deserve to be banned. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/to_clue.gif

[Subdermal]

Cry all you want. The fact of the matter is that I don't have the switch to ban anyone. So obviously if the moderators who do the banning did not agree with me when requesting a ban individuals would not be banned. However, those who are, have broken the Admin's rules therefore deserve to be banned. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/to_clue.gif


No clown, that's not how it works.

[Bethere]

It's hilarious when the leftists think they're centrists. el-oh-$#@!in-el

It's even funnier when Republicans publicly insist that they are independents.

[FindersKeepers]

It's even funnier when Republicans publicly insist that they are independents.

I come right out and say I'm a Republican. Where I live -- were I not -- I wouldn't get to vote in the relevant Primaries, which are basically the whole election in my neck of the woods. Belonging to a Party is just a political convenience. Nothing more.

[Bethere]

I come right out and say I'm a Republican. Where I live -- were I not -- I wouldn't get to vote in the relevant Primaries, which are basically the whole election in my neck of the woods. Belonging to a Party is just a political convenience. Nothing more.

You are a strong poster. You are only funny when you are trying to be funny.

[debbietoo]

George Soros, Why I agree with (some of) Hayek (http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/why-i-agree-with-some-of-hayek-053885)


Where to begin.

Friedrich Hayek's economics are of the Austrian School of Economics, Menger, Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe, to drop a few names.

The Chicago School is Milton Friedman and while there are similarities the schools differ widely.

"It is a formalized and mathematical theory, whose two main pillars are the efficient market hypothesis and the theory of rational expectations." None of that is Hayekian or Austrian in the least. Chicago, some, the the efficient market hypothesis was originally conceived by a financial economist of the Chicago School. The rest is pure Keynesian, or neoKeynsian, especially the highly formalized and mathematical part.

"the twin pillars of fallibility and reflexivity" come from Popper, The Open Society and its Enemies, a two volume argument against Plato, Hegel, Marx and central planning. Popper and Hayek were good friends and corresponded regularly so I'd venture to say Hayek accepted some of what Popper hypothesized.

Bottom line, Soros ain't got a clue what he's talking about. And all he means by "fallibility and reflexivity" is uncertainty, as in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, from quantum mechanics. And even this he muddies and muddles through, see Soros's paper, General Theory of Reflexivity (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0ca06172-bfe9-11de-aed2-00144feab49a.html#axzz4GhJ4nsGV):



https://i.snag.gy/W4Gu9y.jpg

I read that article. Soros doesn't like market fundamentalism. See below. I think he's right. It needs to be regulated in order to benefit the whole of society. So you have any more of his papers I can read?

From Wikipedia:

The expression is now used by various authors writing on economic topics to signify an allegedly unjustified belief in the ability of markets to solve all problems in a society.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-DEFINITION-14) The term has been used, pejoratively, to criticize some groups which are mainly viewed as advocating strongly against "any" state regulation and defend a "totally" free market.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-DEFINITION-14) It is also used to disparage the arguments of the proponents of "the virtues of radical free-market economics" or, in Soros' own words, against the "ideology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology)" which "has put financial capital into the driver's seat."[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-SOROS2-11)

[zelmo1234]

I read that article. Soros doesn't like market fundamentalism. See below. I think he's right. It needs to be regulated in order to benefit the whole of society. So you have any more of his papers I can read?

From Wikipedia:

The expression is now used by various authors writing on economic topics to signify an allegedly unjustified belief in the ability of markets to solve all problems in a society.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-DEFINITION-14) The term has been used, pejoratively, to criticize some groups which are mainly viewed as advocating strongly against "any" state regulation and defend a "totally" free market.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-DEFINITION-14) It is also used to disparage the arguments of the proponents of "the virtues of radical free-market economics" or, in Soros' own words, against the "ideology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology)" which "has put financial capital into the driver's seat."[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-SOROS2-11)

I posted some videos of him talking about working with the NAZI's being the best time of his life, and about how it is fun to collapse the economy of country's for his own personal gain?

did you get a chance to listen to those? Or was that stuff that you did now what to hear?

[Professor Peabody]

I was recently posting on a right wing board about George Soros. I had not heard anything about him before. From what I understand, he is a Wall Street money market manipulator and broke the British Pound awhile back in the 1990's. He gives a lot to left wing causes and the right wing hates him with a passion and thinks he is trying to "rule the world". What do you know about him? Is he really that power hungry and evil? From what I have read, he gives millions to humanitarian causes, in addition to democratic campaigns.

From what I know about this he is Jewish and he grew up during WWII. His uncle was a Nazi collaborator and George helped the Nazi's seize the assets of Jews in Hungary.

[debbietoo]

I posted some videos of him talking about working with the NAZI's being the best time of his life, and about how it is fun to collapse the economy of country's for his own personal gain?

did you get a chance to listen to those? Or was that stuff that you did now what to hear?

I believe that's propaganda from the right. Those are conspiracy theories put out by the republicans.

[debbietoo]

From what I know about this he is Jewish and he grew up during WWII. His uncle was a Nazi collaborator and George helped the Nazi's seize the assets of Jews in Hungary.

Nope, not true. Right wing propaganda.

[Ravens Fan]

Nope, not true. Right wing propaganda.

How would you know? Just yesterday you told us you had never heard of the guy?


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[Chris]

I read that article. Soros doesn't like market fundamentalism. See below. I think he's right. It needs to be regulated in order to benefit the whole of society. So you have any more of his papers I can read?

From Wikipedia:

The expression is now used by various authors writing on economic topics to signify an allegedly unjustified belief in the ability of markets to solve all problems in a society.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-DEFINITION-14) The term has been used, pejoratively, to criticize some groups which are mainly viewed as advocating strongly against "any" state regulation and defend a "totally" free market.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-DEFINITION-14) It is also used to disparage the arguments of the proponents of "the virtues of radical free-market economics" or, in Soros' own words, against the "ideology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology)" which "has put financial capital into the driver's seat."[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism#cite_note-SOROS2-11)


Correct, Soros is good at attacking a pejorative term. No one I've ever read claims markets can solve all problems. That link there, 14, is broken. It's a straw man argument. I mean you've got to love the fact that here's one of the richest capitalist in the world arguing against himself.

Soros, as I have show, doesn't know what he's talking about.

[debbietoo]

Correct, Soros is good at attacking a pejorative term. No one I've ever read claims markets can solve all problems. That link there, 14, is broken. It's a straw man argument. I mean you've got to love the fact that here's one of the richest capitalist in the world arguing against himself.

Soros, as I have show, doesn't know what he's talking about.

He knows exactly what he's talking about. He's very well educated in economics and has written many books. Here's his website:

http://www.georgesoros.com/