Gop economic policy has destroyed kansas, louisiana and wisconsin

[Cigar]

NOW THEY HOPE TO NATIONALIZE ITThe entire rest of the party is committed to gigantic cuts to welfare, as shown by the budget formulated by House Republicans. Their most recent plan would slash $5.3 trillion in spending over a decade, 69 percent of which would come from programs for the needy.

http://theintellectualist.co/gop-economic-policy-has-destroyed-kansas-louisiana-and-wisconsin-now-they-hope-to-nationalize-it/

GOP tax cuts destroyed Kansas – and almost N.J. | Editorial

It's deeply alarming, even for conservatives, to see how tax cuts by a Republican governor have completely ravaged Kansas's budget. It has screwed the public schools, because the mystical promise of tax cuts creating new revenue failed, yet again.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/gop_tax_cuts_destroyed_kansas_and_almost_nj_editor .html

Bobby Jindal’s Anti-Tax Fervor May Have Destroyed Louisiana

But once Jindal was elected, he set about dismantling the income tax system. Rates for wealthy people returned to their pre-referendum levels. Shielding the state’s haves left Louisiana with about $800 million less each year to fund services for its have-nots. The surpluses Jindal walked into turned quickly into deficits.

https://thinkprogress.org/bobby-jindals-anti-tax-fervor-may-have-destroyed-louisiana-e7c9ececa2a2?platform=hootsuite#.bita1wl3x

Walker’s Total Destruction in Wisconsin

On Sunday, July 12, Walker signed the financially austere, socially vindictive 2015-2017 budget that shifts hundreds of millions of dollars out of public schools into private, unaccountable charter and voucher schemes, deepens the consolidation of power in the Department of Administration, and keeps the tax credits and forgivable loans flowing to campaign donors and others through the ineffective Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation.


http://www.progressive.org/news/2015/07/188229/walker%E2%80%99s-total-destruction-wisconsin

Mega Corporations like Oil, WalMart the Kock Bros have been running the countries main tax plan and buying politicians, changing laws having the majority in the supreme court. We are in trying times that can and may get worse if Americans don't wake up to the complete corporate take over of government. They are ruthless without mercy, greed is blinding with collateral devastation at this level.

[MisterVeritis]

NOW THEY HOPE TO NATIONALIZE IT

Kook alert. A usual suspect.

[Cigar]

Kook alert. A usual suspect.

:grin:

http://punkworldviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/poof.jpg (http://punkworldviews.com/courtesy-poof/)

[debbietoo]

NOW THEY HOPE TO NATIONALIZE IT

The entire rest of the party is committed to gigantic cuts to welfare, as shown by the budget formulated by House Republicans. Their most recent plan would slash $5.3 trillion in spending over a decade, 69 percent of which would come from programs for the needy.

http://theintellectualist.co/gop-economic-policy-has-destroyed-kansas-louisiana-and-wisconsin-now-they-hope-to-nationalize-it/

GOP tax cuts destroyed Kansas – and almost N.J. | Editorial

It's deeply alarming, even for conservatives, to see how tax cuts by a Republican governor have completely ravaged Kansas's budget. It has screwed the public schools, because the mystical promise of tax cuts creating new revenue failed, yet again.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/gop_tax_cuts_destroyed_kansas_and_almost_nj_editor .html

Bobby Jindal’s Anti-Tax Fervor May Have Destroyed Louisiana

But once Jindal was elected, he set about dismantling the income tax system. Rates for wealthy people returned to their pre-referendum levels. Shielding the state’s haves left Louisiana with about $800 million less each year to fund services for its have-nots. The surpluses Jindal walked into turned quickly into deficits.

https://thinkprogress.org/bobby-jindals-anti-tax-fervor-may-have-destroyed-louisiana-e7c9ececa2a2?platform=hootsuite#.bita1wl3x

Walker’s Total Destruction in Wisconsin

On Sunday, July 12, Walker signed the financially austere, socially vindictive 2015-2017 budget that shifts hundreds of millions of dollars out of public schools into private, unaccountable charter and voucher schemes, deepens the consolidation of power in the Department of Administration, and keeps the tax credits and forgivable loans flowing to campaign donors and others through the ineffective Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation.


http://www.progressive.org/news/2015/07/188229/walker’s-total-destruction-wisconsin

Mega Corporations like Oil, WalMart the Kock Bros have been running the countries main tax plan and buying politicians, changing laws having the majority in the supreme court. We are in trying times that can and may get worse if Americans don't wake up to the complete corporate take over of government. They are ruthless without mercy, greed is blinding with collateral devastation at this level.

This is proof above par what matters most to republicans and it's certainly not the people. You will notice it's the red states that are the poorest and yet they always vote republican. I just cannot figure it out. i wonder if it's their voting laws or "gerrymandering", since they do have tons of blacks in the southern states and also poor working white people. Doesn't make any sense. Something is amiss. Also, I believe some of these states, like Texas, have a lot of privatized prisons and keep low income people locked up for corporate labor use. On that note, I found this article:

Arizona tops in guaranteeing private prisons new customers

Arizona leads all other states in deals crafted for the private prison industry by guaranteeing 90 to 100 percent of prison beds will be filled in all six state-level private prison facilities.

Private prison companies lock states into contracts to fill a certain percentage of prison beds or pay regardless, which ensures profits and revenues but at the cost of taxpayers.

Arizona trumps all states’ inmates quotas with three private prison facilities requiring 100 percent occupancy. Critics argue that this provides incentives to keep prison beds full, running counter to many states’ trend of reducing prison populations, sentencing lengths and corrections spending.

Arizona, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Virginia are the only states with quotas higher than 90 percent.

Source:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/news/10144

[MisterVeritis]

:grin:

http://punkworldviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/poof.jpg (http://punkworldviews.com/courtesy-poof/)
See what I mean? He blows it out his own ass.

[Crepitus]

Kook alert. A usual suspect.

Oh my, how original.

[Crepitus]

See what I mean? He blows it out his own ass.

Surely you aren't dumb enough to have misinterpreted that?

[Jets]

I would think a large part of the blame falls on the electorate who keep apparently voting against their own interests.

Jmo

[debbietoo]

Why would you vote against your own interests? The Governor of Louisiana is a Democrat too.

[Jets]

Why would you vote against your own interests? The Governor of Louisiana is a Democrat too.

Ok, I'll concede that point, explain the other states mentioned in the OP?

[FindersKeepers]

This is proof above par what matters most to republicans and it's certainly not the people.



Do you just obediently open your mouth while the liberal MSM shovels in BS and then swallow without question? I'm not coming down on you, but it sure seems that you ride a lot of bandwagons.

What you just deemed to be "proof" is nothing more than disgruntled liberal opinion -- at least in the case of Kansas.


The Kansas economy grew strongly in the first quarter, up 2 percent on a annual basis, placing it 14th best in the nation (http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/qgsp_newsrelease.htm), according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.


The farm sector contributed more than half of that growth, while the state’s real estate and leasing sector was also strong.


Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/business/article92102657.html#storylink=cpy


http://www.kansas.com/news/business/article92102657.html

[MisterVeritis]

Kook alert. A usual suspect.

Oh my, how original.
It is sufficient.

Let me guess. When you need a wheel, you head for your garage to invent one.

[MisterVeritis]

Surely you aren't dumb enough to have misinterpreted that?
So you object to my reasonable interpretation? Are you blowing it out your ass?

[Mac-7]

Bobby Jindal’s Anti-Tax Fervor May Have Destroyed Louisiana

But once Jindal was elected, he set about dismantling the income tax system. Rates for wealthy people returned to their pre-referendum levels.

Shielding the state’s haves left Louisiana with about $800 million less each year to fund services for its have-nots.

.

.this is refreshing honesty from Cigar's surrogate brain when it admits that bleeding heart liberals want to steal money from those who earned it and give it to deadbeats who didnt earn it.

kudos to the original author of that lib cut and paste

[Truth Detector]

NOW THEY HOPE TO NATIONALIZE ITThe entire rest of the party is committed to gigantic cuts to welfare, as shown by the budget formulated by House Republicans. Their most recent plan would slash $5.3 trillion in spending over a decade, 69 percent of which would come from programs for the needy.

http://theintellectualist.co/gop-economic-policy-has-destroyed-kansas-louisiana-and-wisconsin-now-they-hope-to-nationalize-it/

GOP tax cuts destroyed Kansas – and almost N.J. | Editorial

It's deeply alarming, even for conservatives, to see how tax cuts by a Republican governor have completely ravaged Kansas's budget. It has screwed the public schools, because the mystical promise of tax cuts creating new revenue failed, yet again.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/gop_tax_cuts_destroyed_kansas_and_almost_nj_editor .html

Bobby Jindal’s Anti-Tax Fervor May Have Destroyed Louisiana

But once Jindal was elected, he set about dismantling the income tax system. Rates for wealthy people returned to their pre-referendum levels. Shielding the state’s haves left Louisiana with about $800 million less each year to fund services for its have-nots. The surpluses Jindal walked into turned quickly into deficits.

https://thinkprogress.org/bobby-jindals-anti-tax-fervor-may-have-destroyed-louisiana-e7c9ececa2a2?platform=hootsuite#.bita1wl3x

Walker’s Total Destruction in Wisconsin

On Sunday, July 12, Walker signed the financially austere, socially vindictive 2015-2017 budget that shifts hundreds of millions of dollars out of public schools into private, unaccountable charter and voucher schemes, deepens the consolidation of power in the Department of Administration, and keeps the tax credits and forgivable loans flowing to campaign donors and others through the ineffective Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation.


http://www.progressive.org/news/2015/07/188229/walker%E2%80%99s-total-destruction-wisconsin

Mega Corporations like Oil, WalMart the Kock Bros have been running the countries main tax plan and buying politicians, changing laws having the majority in the supreme court. We are in trying times that can and may get worse if Americans don't wake up to the complete corporate take over of government. They are ruthless without mercy, greed is blinding with collateral devastation at this level.

:rofl: Yep, quoting leftist blogs is a great way to make a factual case in Liberal loony land. :rofl:

[Truth Detector]

This is proof above par what matters most to republicans and it's certainly not the people. You will notice it's the red states that are the poorest and yet they always vote republican. I just cannot figure it out. i wonder if it's their voting laws or "gerrymandering", since they do have tons of blacks in the southern states and also poor working white people. Doesn't make any sense. Something is amiss. Also, I believe some of these states, like Texas, have a lot of privatized prisons and keep low income people locked up for corporate labor use. On that note, I found this article:

Arizona tops in guaranteeing private prisons new customers

Arizona leads all other states in deals crafted for the private prison industry by guaranteeing 90 to 100 percent of prison beds will be filled in all six state-level private prison facilities.

Private prison companies lock states into contracts to fill a certain percentage of prison beds or pay regardless, which ensures profits and revenues but at the cost of taxpayers.

Arizona trumps all states’ inmates quotas with three private prison facilities requiring 100 percent occupancy. Critics argue that this provides incentives to keep prison beds full, running counter to many states’ trend of reducing prison populations, sentencing lengths and corrections spending.

Arizona, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Virginia are the only states with quotas higher than 90 percent.

Source:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/news/10144


:rofl:

[zelmo1234]

OK here we go again?

Kansas unemployment


Unemployment Rate (2) (http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ks.htm#eag_ks.f.2)


http://www.bls.gov/images/icon_hist.gif (http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LASST200000000000003&data_tool=XGtable)

4.0
3.9
3.8
3.7
3.8




The numbers are through June of this year




Wisconsin
4.2%
0.0
-0.4




And of course the Democrats are in control of Louisiana

Unemployment rates in Louisiana

Louisiana Unemployment Rate is at 6.00%, compared to 6.00% last month and 6.90% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 7.14%.

Where do you want to live

[Newpublius]

Taxes went down in NJ? News to me but nevertheless even if they did you'd think I'd just take that tax savings and just burn it.

[Newpublius]

Taxes went down in NJ? News to me but nevertheless even if they did you'd think I'd just take that tax savings and just burn it.

NJ did manage to drive out its largest single taxpayer. I'm sure the money he's spending in FL isn't crearing any jobs there though

[Subdermal]

NOW THEY HOPE TO NATIONALIZE IT

The entire rest of the party is committed to gigantic cuts to welfare, as shown by the budget formulated by House Republicans. Their most recent plan would slash $5.3 trillion in spending over a decade, 69 percent of which would come from programs for the needy.

http://theintellectualist.co/gop-economic-policy-has-destroyed-kansas-louisiana-and-wisconsin-now-they-hope-to-nationalize-it/

GOP tax cuts destroyed Kansas – and almost N.J. | Editorial

It's deeply alarming, even for conservatives, to see how tax cuts by a Republican governor have completely ravaged Kansas's budget. It has screwed the public schools, because the mystical promise of tax cuts creating new revenue failed, yet again.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/gop_tax_cuts_destroyed_kansas_and_almost_nj_editor .html

Bobby Jindal’s Anti-Tax Fervor May Have Destroyed Louisiana

But once Jindal was elected, he set about dismantling the income tax system. Rates for wealthy people returned to their pre-referendum levels. Shielding the state’s haves left Louisiana with about $800 million less each year to fund services for its have-nots. The surpluses Jindal walked into turned quickly into deficits.

https://thinkprogress.org/bobby-jindals-anti-tax-fervor-may-have-destroyed-louisiana-e7c9ececa2a2?platform=hootsuite#.bita1wl3x

Walker’s Total Destruction in Wisconsin

On Sunday, July 12, Walker signed the financially austere, socially vindictive 2015-2017 budget that shifts hundreds of millions of dollars out of public schools into private, unaccountable charter and voucher schemes, deepens the consolidation of power in the Department of Administration, and keeps the tax credits and forgivable loans flowing to campaign donors and others through the ineffective Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation.


http://www.progressive.org/news/2015/07/188229/walker’s-total-destruction-wisconsin

Mega Corporations like Oil, WalMart the Kock Bros have been running the countries main tax plan and buying politicians, changing laws having the majority in the supreme court. We are in trying times that can and may get worse if Americans don't wake up to the complete corporate take over of government. They are ruthless without mercy, greed is blinding with collateral devastation at this level.

Conservative policies in each of the three are destroying liberal powergrabs in each State, and the racket they have had going for years sucking on the public teat.

I'll cover Wisconsin and let others bash the other leftist poppycock out of the park.

Charter schools in Wisconsin (http://eagnews.org/wi-test-scores-show-private-charter-students-outperform-public-school-peers/) are destroying Public Schools in performance - and cost far less per student.

Act 10 in Wisconsin has saved Wisconsin Taxpayers far over a billion dollars to this point - within no teacher layoffs whatsoever. (http://www.wtmj.com/shows/jeff-wagner/wagner-has-act-10-worked-five-years-later)

Taxed have dropped here; unemployment has dropped here.

You are spouting flat lies.

[AZ Jim]

Kook alert. A usual suspect.We know, there's no need to announce YOURSELF!

[debbietoo]

Conservative policies in each of the three are destroying liberal powergrabs in each State, and the racket they have had going for years sucking on the public teat.

I'll cover Wisconsin and let others bash the other leftist poppy$#@! out of the park.

Charter schools in Wisconsin (http://eagnews.org/wi-test-scores-show-private-charter-students-outperform-public-school-peers/) are destroying Public Schools in performance - and cost far less per student.

Act 10 in Wisconsin has saved Wisconsin Taxpayers far over a billion dollars to this point - within no teacher layoffs whatsoever. (http://www.wtmj.com/shows/jeff-wagner/wagner-has-act-10-worked-five-years-later)

Taxed have dropped here; unemployment has dropped here.

You are spouting flat lies.

I think charter schools should be a choice. I am not against them. My daughter actually dropped out of public school due to the children passing out drugs there in Texas. She was home schooled. I picked up the textbooks from a home school program in Texas (I guess it may have been a charter program). This was in her senior year in high school. If it saves money, I think it's a good idea. I think there should be a choice, however; and that our public schools can be improved.

[MisterVeritis]

Kook alert. A usual suspect.

We know, there's no need to announce YOURSELF!
Are you trying to be relevant? How cute.

[TrueBlue]

I would think a large part of the blame falls on the electorate who keep apparently voting against their own interests.

Jmo
You got it!! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good2.gif http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/fool/appl.gif

[debbietoo]

You say unemployment has dropped in Wisconsin. However, what types of jobs are we talking here? Minimum wage in Wisconsin is still $7.25 per hour. Income inequality in Wisconsin is rising faster than the nation as a whole. Here are two articles linking proof:

Wisconsin income gap widening faster than nation as a whole


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/wisconsin-income-gap-widening-faster-than-nation-as-a-whole/article_acc8a776-a0be-11e3-
a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/wisconsin-income-gap-widening-faster-than-nation-as-a-whole/article_acc8a776-a0be-11e3-a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html)


2016: The Seventh Year of Wisconsin’s Frozen Minimum Wage


As the calendar turns to 2016 this Friday, the minimum wage will increase in 14 states and a number of cities, and two other states have enacted increases that take effect later in the year. Unfortunately, Wisconsin isn’t one of them. In fact, Wisconsin is one of the 21 states where the minimum wage is just $7.25 per hour and has been stuck at that amount since the last increase in the federal minimum, which was almost seven years ago.
Source:

http://www.wisconsinbudgetproject.org/2016-the-seventh-year-of-wisconsins-frozen-minimum-wage

[Newpublius]

You got it!! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good2.gif http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/fool/appl.gif

Now its time for a reality check because perusing a Wall Street Journal article shows that Kansas tax receipts in 2012 were short by $685mn, which to an individual is alot of course, but Kansas' state gross state product (gsp) is $146bn making the tax receipts in question equal to approximately .5% of the state's GSP. Not exactly a paradigm shifting event by any measure. Of course you liberals would have us believe the sky is falling.

What are you turkeys going to do when interest rates, gasp, increase to 1% and the government will need to gind another $190bn to service the national debt?

[MisterVeritis]

You say unemployment has dropped in Wisconsin. However, what types of jobs are we talking here? Minimum wage in Wisconsin is still $7.25 per hour. Income inequality in Wisconsin is rising faster than the nation as a whole. Here are two articles linking proof:

Wisconsin income gap widening faster than nation as a whole

Why do you believe this is important? Income inequality appears to be a measure of individual liberty.


2016: The Seventh Year of Wisconsin’s Frozen Minimum Wage


As the calendar turns to 2016 this Friday, the minimum wage will increase in 14 states and a number of cities, and two other states have enacted increases that take effect later in the year. Unfortunately, Wisconsin isn’t one of them. In fact, Wisconsin is one of the 21 states where the minimum wage is just $7.25 per hour and has been stuck at that amount since the last increase in the federal minimum, which was almost seven years ago.


Why should any government set wages for private companies? That is something fascists and socialists do. It has no place in a free nation. We need to end all minimum wage laws.

[nic34]

This is proof above par what matters most to republicans and it's certainly not the people. You will notice it's the red states that are the poorest and yet they always vote republican. I just cannot figure it out. i wonder if it's their voting laws or "gerrymandering", since they do have tons of blacks in the southern states and also poor working white people. Doesn't make any sense. Something is amiss. Also, I believe some of these states, like Texas, have a lot of privatized prisons and keep low income people locked up for corporate labor use. On that note, I found this article:

Arizona tops in guaranteeing private prisons new customers

Arizona leads all other states in deals crafted for the private prison industry by guaranteeing 90 to 100 percent of prison beds will be filled in all six state-level private prison facilities.

Private prison companies lock states into contracts to fill a certain percentage of prison beds or pay regardless, which ensures profits and revenues but at the cost of taxpayers.

Arizona trumps all states’ inmates quotas with three private prison facilities requiring 100 percent occupancy. Critics argue that this provides incentives to keep prison beds full, running counter to many states’ trend of reducing prison populations, sentencing lengths and corrections spending.

Arizona, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Virginia are the only states with quotas higher than 90 percent.

Source:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/news/10144


Hey! Gotta have someplace to put all them illegal messikins...

[Subdermal]

You say unemployment has dropped in Wisconsin. However, what types of jobs are we talking here? Minimum wage in Wisconsin is still $7.25 per hour. Income inequality in Wisconsin is rising faster than the nation as a whole. Here are two articles linking proof:

Wisconsin income gap widening faster than nation as a whole


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/wisconsin-income-gap-widening-faster-than-nation-as-a-whole/article_acc8a776-a0be-11e3-
a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/wisconsin-income-gap-widening-faster-than-nation-as-a-whole/article_acc8a776-a0be-11e3-a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html)


2016: The Seventh Year of Wisconsin’s Frozen Minimum Wage


As the calendar turns to 2016 this Friday, the minimum wage will increase in 14 states and a number of cities, and two other states have enacted increases that take effect later in the year. Unfortunately, Wisconsin isn’t one of them. In fact, Wisconsin is one of the 21 states where the minimum wage is just $7.25 per hour and has been stuck at that amount since the last increase in the federal minimum, which was almost seven years ago.
Source:

http://www.wisconsinbudgetproject.org/2016-the-seventh-year-of-wisconsins-frozen-minimum-wage




The cost of living in Wisconsin is lower than most other places.

Beyond that, I have a math exercise for you.

If the lowest quintile income earner doubles their income, and the highest quintile incomes increase 10%...

...did the income gap widen?

[debbietoo]

There we go again, trying to make excuses for not raising minimum wage. There is no excuse. Economists agree, including Professor Richard D. Wolff, the reason rising inequality in developed nations is mainly due to low wages and global capitalism. Link to article.

Richard D. Wolff | The Wages of Global Capitalism


Wage growth in the world slowed to an average of 2 percent in 2013. That was less than in 2012 and far less than the pre-crisis rate of 3 percent. Starker still were the differences between wage growth in the "developed world" (chiefly Western Europe, North America and Japan) and wage growth in the major "emerging growth" countries, chiefly China.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27877-the-wages-of-global-capitalism (http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27877-the-wages-of-global-capitalism)

No more excuses! Period.:applause:

[MisterVeritis]

There we go again, trying to make excuses for not raising minimum wage. There is no excuse. Economists agree, including Professor Richard D. Wolff, the reason rising inequality in developed nations is mainly due to low wages and global capitalism. Link to article.

Richard D. Wolff | The Wages of Global Capitalism


Wage growth in the world slowed to an average of 2 percent in 2013. That was less than in 2012 and far less than the pre-crisis rate of 3 percent. Starker still were the differences between wage growth in the "developed world" (chiefly Western Europe, North America and Japan) and wage growth in the major "emerging growth" countries, chiefly China.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27877-the-wages-of-global-capitalism (http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27877-the-wages-of-global-capitalism)

No more excuses! Period.

Why should any government set wages for private companies? That is something fascists and socialists do. It has no place in a free nation. We need to end all minimum wage laws.

[Cigar]

As Louisiana Drowns, Republicans Fight Climate Action
https://youtu.be/I5bCF5DM2CM

Louisiana is still suffering from torrential flooding, but that hasn’t stopped Republicans in Congress from fighting basic climate change action. How many more deaths will it take before they start taking this issue seriously?

[Subdermal]

The cost of living in Wisconsin is lower than most other places.

Beyond that, I have a math exercise for you.

If the lowest quintile income earner doubles their income, and the highest quintile incomes increase 10%...

...did the income gap widen?


There we go again, trying to make excuses for not raising minimum wage. There is no excuse. Economists agree, including Professor Richard D. Wolff, the reason rising inequality in developed nations is mainly due to low wages and global capitalism. Link to article.

Richard D. Wolff | The Wages of Global Capitalism


Wage growth in the world slowed to an average of 2 percent in 2013. That was less than in 2012 and far less than the pre-crisis rate of 3 percent. Starker still were the differences between wage growth in the "developed world" (chiefly Western Europe, North America and Japan) and wage growth in the major "emerging growth" countries, chiefly China.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27877-the-wages-of-global-capitalism (http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27877-the-wages-of-global-capitalism)

No more excuses! Period.:applause:


Should the minimum wage be the same across the entire country? Or would you be making the same mistake the EU does, by pushing homogenous economic policy across the disparate conditions which really require different tactics in each case?

You cut, paste and post far more than you engage.

You also didn't touch my question to you. I reposted it above; please answer it.

[debbietoo]

Why should any government set wages for private companies? That is something fascists and socialists do. It has no place in a free nation. We need to end all minimum wage laws.

There is a huge, and I repeat, HUGE difference between fascism and socialism.

[Mac-7]

This is proof above par what matters most to republicans and it's certainly not the people. You will notice it's the red states that are the poorest and yet they always vote republican. I just cannot figure it out. i wonder if it's their voting laws or "gerrymandering", since they do have tons of blacks in the southern states and also poor working white people. Doesn't make any sense. Something is amiss. Also, I believe some of these states, like Texas, have a lot of privatized prisons and keep low income people locked up for corporate labor use. On that note, I found this article:

Arizona tops in guaranteeing private prisons new customers

Arizona leads all other states in deals crafted for the private prison industry by guaranteeing 90 to 100 percent of prison beds will be filled in all six state-level private prison facilities.

Private prison companies lock states into contracts to fill a certain percentage of prison beds or pay regardless, which ensures profits and revenues but at the cost of taxpayers.

Arizona trumps all states’ inmates quotas with three private prison facilities requiring 100 percent occupancy. Critics argue that this provides incentives to keep prison beds full, running counter to many states’ trend of reducing prison populations, sentencing lengths and corrections spending.

Arizona, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Virginia are the only states with quotas higher than 90 percent.

Source:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/news/10144


A mindless cut and paste response to a mindless lib cut and paste?

That is impressive.

[debbietoo]

And we are a long way from socialism in this country.

[FindersKeepers]

There is a huge, and I repeat, HUGE difference between fascism and socialism.



Which doesn't change the fact that both are known to set wages.

You're dodging the issue.

[debbietoo]

A mindless cut and paste response to a mindless lib cut and paste?

That is impressive.

And your response is unimpressive.

[Truth Detector]

There is a huge, and I repeat, HUGE difference between fascism and socialism.

Wrong; there is little difference between the two. But, in an effort to give you the benefit of the doubt, please list those HUGE differences for us. It should be a fascinating exercise in futility. ;)

[Truth Detector]

And we are a long way from socialism in this country.

Only as long as we can marginalize Democrats from political power. ;)

[Truth Detector]

Which doesn't change the fact that both are known to set wages.

You're dodging the issue.


And your response is unimpressive.

:rofl:

[Tahuyaman]

Liberals are a 180 out when it comes to economics. When conditions improve, they claim an economy is in decline. When an economy stalls, they believe it's boom times.

Economic dyslexia.

[debbietoo]

Wrong; there is little difference between the two. But, in an effort to give you the benefit of the doubt, please list those HUGE differences for us. It should be a fascinating exercise in futility. ;)

Definition of fascism from Merriam-Webster:



often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralizedautocratic (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/autocratic) government headed by a dictatorial (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictatorial) leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Source:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Definition of socialism from Merriam-Webster:



: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/society) or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Marxism) theory transitional between capitalism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism) and communism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism) and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Source:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

[MisterVeritis]

There is a huge, and I repeat, HUGE difference between fascism and socialism.
The differences are superficial, tactical. They have the same strategic goal.

[MisterVeritis]

Definition of fascism from Merriam-Webster:


often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/autocratic) government headed by a dictatorial (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictatorial) leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Source:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Definition of socialism from Merriam-Webster:



: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/society) or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Marxism) theory transitional between capitalism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism) and communism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism) and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Source:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism


Note that in practice each has a centralized government. The people are controlled by that government for the good of the government, not the good of the people. The differences are the lies told to the people. Both fascism and socialism, along with national socialism and international socialism all have the same goals as liberalism and progressivism. All subjugate the individual and place the authority of the state and the government above the people.

[Mac-7]

Definition of fascism from Merriam-Webster:



often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralizedautocratic (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/autocratic) government headed by a dictatorial (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictatorial) leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Source:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Definition of socialism from Merriam-Webster:



: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/society) or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Marxism) theory transitional between capitalism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism) and communism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism) and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Source:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism






Your defination of fascism is incomplete.

the fascist economic system is the model for the modern progressive movemement

progressives allow private ownership just like hitler did

but demand that governement be allowed to take as much of the profits as it needs for the "common good"

[Peter1469]

NOW THEY HOPE TO NATIONALIZE IT

The entire rest of the party is committed to gigantic cuts to welfare, as shown by the budget formulated by House Republicans. Their most recent plan would slash $5.3 trillion in spending over a decade, 69 percent of which would come from programs for the needy.

http://theintellectualist.co/gop-economic-policy-has-destroyed-kansas-louisiana-and-wisconsin-now-they-hope-to-nationalize-it/

GOP tax cuts destroyed Kansas – and almost N.J. | Editorial

It's deeply alarming, even for conservatives, to see how tax cuts by a Republican governor have completely ravaged Kansas's budget. It has screwed the public schools, because the mystical promise of tax cuts creating new revenue failed, yet again.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/gop_tax_cuts_destroyed_kansas_and_almost_nj_editor .html

Bobby Jindal’s Anti-Tax Fervor May Have Destroyed Louisiana

But once Jindal was elected, he set about dismantling the income tax system. Rates for wealthy people returned to their pre-referendum levels. Shielding the state’s haves left Louisiana with about $800 million less each year to fund services for its have-nots. The surpluses Jindal walked into turned quickly into deficits.

https://thinkprogress.org/bobby-jindals-anti-tax-fervor-may-have-destroyed-louisiana-e7c9ececa2a2?platform=hootsuite#.bita1wl3x

Walker’s Total Destruction in Wisconsin

On Sunday, July 12, Walker signed the financially austere, socially vindictive 2015-2017 budget that shifts hundreds of millions of dollars out of public schools into private, unaccountable charter and voucher schemes, deepens the consolidation of power in the Department of Administration, and keeps the tax credits and forgivable loans flowing to campaign donors and others through the ineffective Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation.


http://www.progressive.org/news/2015/07/188229/walker’s-total-destruction-wisconsin

Mega Corporations like Oil, WalMart the Kock Bros have been running the countries main tax plan and buying politicians, changing laws having the majority in the supreme court. We are in trying times that can and may get worse if Americans don't wake up to the complete corporate take over of government. They are ruthless without mercy, greed is blinding with collateral devastation at this level.

Destroyed like Detroit?

[debbietoo]

Liberals are a 180 out when it comes to economics. When conditions improve, they claim an economy is in decline. When an economy stalls, they believe it's boom times.

Economic dyslexia.

You sure have a poor memory. Remember right before Obama was elected and the reason for the bank bailouts? Who was in charge of the White House then and were we not following republican policies at that point in time?

[Tahuyaman]

You sure have a poor memory. Remember right before Obama was elected and the reason for the bank bailouts? Who was in charge of the White House then and were we not following republican policies at that point in time?


And did you hear conservatives bragging about the economy? Today, we are still in a weak economy and the Democrats are acting as though it's 1988 again.

[debbietoo]

The differences are superficial, tactical. They have the same strategic goal.

I beg to differ. They do not have the same goal. And there is a difference between communism and democratic socialism. Here is the Bernie Sanders' definition of socialism and their website for your information. Democatic Socialism is not communism. It is not an authoritarian type of government like fascism or nazism suggests. Trump actually reminds me of that type of leader and so does the extreme right wing GOP party of today. I think that's one reason I feel so compelled to post on here the difference between communism and socialism. People get it mixed up.

Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.


What is Democratic Socialism?

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.
Source:

http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

[Newpublius]

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
Source:

http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism





That's just a nice way to say that Congress will be in charge of the command economy. Congress will tax from you as Congress sees fit and, you think, will spend, as you see it, democratically, to help the people, but we know that they will make spending decisions in large part i consideration of the likelihood of their own re-election. This is the same entity that can't agree on a budget, per se, has fought countless wars, is the world's largest debtor.....and you want to out them in charge of the economy. That's insane.

[debbietoo]

That's just a nice way to say that Congress will be in charge of the command economy. Congress will tax from you as Congress sees fit and, you think, will spend, as you see it, democratically, to help the people, but we know that they will make spending decisions in large part i consideration of the likelihood of their own re-election. This is the same entity that can't agree on a budget, per se, has fought countless wars, is the world's largest debtor.....and you want to out them in charge of the economy. That's insane.

That's bull****, and you know it. You're more interested in your own stock market portfolio than anything else.

[Tahuyaman]

That's bull****, and you know it. You're more interested in your own stock market portfolio than anything else.


And that is wrong?

[zelmo1234]

You sure have a poor memory. Remember right before Obama was elected and the reason for the bank bailouts? Who was in charge of the White House then and were we not following republican policies at that point in time?

Wrong, The Bank Bailout was part of the Housing Collapse, That came from the policies of Carter in the Equity in Housing, and Clinton, the Community Reinvestment Act. GWB actually warned Congress of the upcoming Collapse 17 times, and was called Racist but Barney, the banking Queen Franks, and Christopher, what do you mean I got a 1% mortgage, Dodd.

That is what caused the Situation that we find ourselves in

[FindersKeepers]

There we go again, trying to make excuses for not raising minimum wage. There is no excuse. Economists agree, including Professor Richard D. Wolff, the reason rising inequality in developed nations is mainly due to low wages and global capitalism. Link to article.



Other economists disagree, such as Jeff Clemens, an economic professor at U of C. He's done major studies that show substantial job loss when the minimum wage is artificially boosted.

Another thing you don't seem to realize is that boosting the minimum wage reduces the standard of living of middle-class Americans. While it increases the buying power of the lowest-wage earners, the middle class worker doesn't get his/her wage increased proportionally, so as the cost of living rises to suit the lowest workers, the salary of the middle class doesn't go as far.

All these pie-in-the-sky leftist ideals. So pretty and fluffy on the surface. So very dangerous at their foundation.

Capitalism is the saving grace of our nation. Be very suspicious of those who want to undermine it.

[FindersKeepers]

You sure have a poor memory. Remember right before Obama was elected and the reason for the bank bailouts? Who was in charge of the White House then and were we not following republican policies at that point in time?



You, too, seem to have forgotten that the Feds began lowering the prime lending rate in the last months Bill Clinton was in office because the economic outlook was turning grim.

[Newpublius]

That's bull****, and you know it. You're more interested in your own stock market portfolio than anything else.

I am. That's what owning things is.

Democratic socialism is nothing more than the modern code word for massive welfare state. See? Doesn't sound great now.

Make no mistake about it, the 'socialist' aspect here. The government will impose taxes and then the government will spend it. It will be the government making more economic decisions, commanding how those funds are spent, by legislation

[MisterVeritis]

Note that in practice each has a centralized government.

The people are controlled by that government for the good of the government, not the good of the people. The differences are the lies told to the people.

Both fascism and socialism, along with national socialism and international socialism all have the same goals as liberalism and progressivism. All subjugate the individual and place the authority of the state and the government above the people.

I beg to differ. They do not have the same goal.
They do. But they have different lies.


And there is a difference between communism and democratic socialism.
Are fascism and communism the same, in your view?


Here is the Bernie Sanders' definition of socialism and their website for your information. Democatic Socialism is not communism.
While that is interesting it is not relevant to our discussion. We are discussing fascism and socialism. Both require a strong, central government to compel compliance through the threats or actual use of force.


It is not an authoritarian type of government like fascism or nazism suggests.
This is a lie. Socialism cannot work without the threat of force.


Trump actually reminds me of that type of leader and so does the extreme right wing GOP party of today. I think that's one reason I feel so compelled to post on here the difference between communism and socialism. People get it mixed up.


Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people.
Millions of people make basic economic decisions for themselves. Corporations and all other businesses can offer you things you want at a price you are willing to pay. Only a government can force you to do things against your will.


Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.
What is holding you back? If you want a worker's paradise, go start a corporation and run it as you like.


What is Democratic Socialism?


Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.
Source:
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

How do you compel (force) people to do as you wish? You see, I am right. The goal is the same. Whether the ism is fascism, Progressivism, liberalism, national socialism, international socialism, or libertarian-leftism, each requires a strong, powerful central government able to force compliance. The government must grow larger. Individual liberty must shrink.

Only the lies change to keep the people muddled.

[MisterVeritis]

That's bull****, and you know it. You're more interested in your own stock market portfolio than anything else.
Individual self-interest is a powerful force for good. See "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith.

[Cigar]

While Our Infrastructure Crumbles, China Is Looking Toward The Future.
https://youtu.be/Adl3rbCJ2lk

[Mac-7]

I am. That's what owning things is.

Democratic socialism is nothing more than the modern code word for massive welfare state. See? Doesn't sound great now.

Make no mistake about it, the 'socialist' aspect here. The government will impose taxes and then the government will spend it. It will be the government making more economic decisions, commanding how those funds are spent, by legislation

Progressives used to believe government should own the means of prooduction.

but experience showed that they were lousesy producers.

better for them to adopt the fascist economic model that allows provate ownership but government control through taxation and regulation