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Bo-4
08-23-2016, 10:03 AM
He won't talk directly to black audiences .. so he makes a dumb pitch to white voters suggesting that blacks are for the most part unemployed, poor and unhappy.

This simply isn't the case - and no Donald, they have plenty to lose voting for you.

And in the unlikely event you're elected - you won't be getting 95% of the black vote in four years.

Fun Fact: George Wallace got 3% of the black vote. Trump is running at ONE. :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-black-voters_us_57b77ac1e4b03d5136888aaf

Subdermal
08-23-2016, 10:24 AM
Black unemployment was 4% in 1954.

Good job, leftists.

The Xl
08-23-2016, 10:27 AM
Trump isn't going to get one percent of the black vote, he won't do amazingly well but it will be significantly higher than that. At the end of the day, these polls and media outlets can put out whatever numbers they like, fact or fiction, and they're doing exactly that. These numbers likely aren't real, it's the establishment trying to influence the election.

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 10:38 AM
Trump isn't going to get one percent of the black vote, he won't do amazingly well but it will be significantly higher than that. At the end of the day, these polls and media outlets can put out whatever numbers they like, fact or fiction, and they're doing exactly that. These numbers likely aren't real, it's the establishment trying to influence the election.

While you can't draw any conclusions from a single poll, the poll averages have historically been amazingly accurate.

Quinnipiac was one of the most accurate in 2012. Significantly higher? :confused:

He'll do worse than either Mitt or McCain. My bet is 2 or 3.

“According to the Quinnipiac University poll (http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2363), just 1 percent of African-American voters supported Trump. That was well behind the 6 percent of the black vote that went to Mitt Romney in 2012, and the 4 percent that supported John McCain in 2008.

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 10:41 AM
What do Inner City Minority Communities have to loose?

What is it that Clinton is promising to do for them?

What Policies in the past 8 years have helped those in minority communities?

I can't believe that they really think that the Democrats are working for them,

So what is it that you feel they have to loose?

Jets
08-23-2016, 10:42 AM
Is anyone surprised Trump did not bother offering to reach out to a demographic he has almost no support in and will likely not gain it regardless of his pitch.

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 10:49 AM
Black unemployment was 4% in 1954.

Good job, leftists.

So why did Trump tell such a whopper about black youth unemployment - pulled another number out of his butt. It's 27% NOT 59. Additionally, this number is for 16-19 year olds most of whom are in high school, some in college. I worked summers in high school and that's it. So Trump would have called me unemployed? Dumb.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jun/20/donald-trump/trump-misleadingly-puts-black-youth-unemployment-r/

Oh and .... it ain't that bad:

Black unemployment fell to 8.3% in December, down sharply from the 9.4% in November. It was the lowest mark since September 2007, before the recession began and lesser than half of the peak of 16.8% reached in 2010.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/08/news/economy/black-unemployment-falls-hits-8-year-low/ (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/08/news/economy/black-unemployment-falls-hits-8-year-low/)

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 10:53 AM
What do Inner City Minority Communities have to loose?

What is it that Clinton is promising to do for them?

What Policies in the past 8 years have helped those in minority communities?

I can't believe that they really think that the Democrats are working for them,

So what is it that you feel they have to loose?

Bill and Hillary actually HAVE done some good things for minorities .. Obama as well. Do you need a list?

Trump can't hide his racism or past racist statements zelmo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

If you REALLY believe he gives a damn about blacks and browns then i have a bridge and some swampland for sale ;-)

nic34
08-23-2016, 11:06 AM
What do Inner City Minority Communities have to loose?

What is it that Clinton is promising to do for them?

What Policies in the past 8 years have helped those in minority communities?

I can't believe that they really think that the Democrats are working for them,

So what is it that you feel they have to loose?

From Bo's link:

What they have to lose..... lol

Trump’s dismissive attitude toward the protester is part of a larger, troubling pattern (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-trump-campaign-could-evolve-into-organized-violence_us_56e85c3ce4b0b25c91838893) of instigating violence toward protesters at campaign events that has singled out people of color.

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 11:11 AM
From Bo's link:

What they have to lose..... lol

Trump’s dismissive attitude toward the protester is part of a larger, troubling pattern (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-trump-campaign-could-evolve-into-organized-violence_us_56e85c3ce4b0b25c91838893) of instigating violence toward protesters at campaign events that has singled out people of color.

Yep, can't put his obvious ignorance and racism back in a bottle.

If he were REALLY interested in their vote?

A good start would be to disavow the Alt-Right (white nationalists).

Not only won't he do that .. he just hired their poster boy. :D

http://images.dailykos.com/images/288648/large/bannon_lede_1_.jpg?1471474021

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:14 AM
So why did Trump tell such a whopper about black youth unemployment - pulled another number out of his butt. It's 27% NOT 59. Additionally, this number is for 16-19 year olds most of whom are in high school, some in college. I worked summers in high school and that's it. So Trump would have called me unemployed? Dumb.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jun/20/donald-trump/trump-misleadingly-puts-black-youth-unemployment-r/

Oh and .... it ain't that bad:

Black unemployment fell to 8.3% in December, down sharply from the 9.4% in November. It was the lowest mark since September 2007, before the recession began and lesser than half of the peak of 16.8% reached in 2010.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/08/news/economy/black-unemployment-falls-hits-8-year-low/ (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/08/news/economy/black-unemployment-falls-hits-8-year-low/)

Well he was talking about Black Youth unemployment, which is above 50% though it may not be 59%

We do know that under the Obama Administration Worker participation Rates are at levels not seen since the 70's. We know that because of the ACA and the Part time jobs vs Full time jobs that they create, Household income is down by about 5K per home, and we know that the middle class has lost nearly 40% of there wealth under the Obama Administration.

So knowing those facts? What do they have to loose?

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 11:15 AM
Well he was talking about Black Youth unemployment, which is above 50% though it may not be 59%

My link proves your "over 50%" claim to be a whopper.

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:17 AM
From Bo's link:

What they have to lose..... lol

Trump’s dismissive attitude toward the protester is part of a larger, troubling pattern (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-trump-campaign-could-evolve-into-organized-violence_us_56e85c3ce4b0b25c91838893) of instigating violence toward protesters at campaign events that has singled out people of color.

Of course the vast majority of the violence is not from Trump supporters, But it is from Democrats that have done everything from toss eggs into a helpless women's face to chase down and beat Trump supporters.

They have pushed down old ladies and nearly killed Minorities that have supported Mr. Trump. So knowing that most of the violence has come from Democrats and add to that the fact that Under the Obama Administration, Violent crime is on the rise in most of our inner cites, where large populations of minorities live?

What do they really have to loose.

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:19 AM
My link proves your "over 50%" claim to be a whopper.

Only if you use the Democrats False narrative that Trump was talking about all Black unemployment

http://investmentwatchblog.com/wsj-50-black-youth-unemployed-under-obama/

But he was not.

So in order for you to be telling the truth, you have to accept the democrats lie first.

Why is his lie so much worse than yours.

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 11:20 AM
Of course the vast majority of the violence is not from Trump supporters, But it is from Democrats that have done everything from toss eggs into a helpless women's face to chase down and beat Trump supporters.

They have pushed down old ladies and nearly killed Minorities that have supported Mr. Trump. So knowing that most of the violence has come from Democrats and add to that the fact that Under the Obama Administration, Violent crime is on the rise in most of our inner cites, where large populations of minorities live?

What do they really have to loose.

The violence has been equal from both sides, and has largely been stoked by Trump himself.

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:20 AM
Yep, can't put his obvious ignorance and racism back in a bottle.

If he were REALLY interested in their vote?

A good start would be to disavow the Alt-Right (white nationalists).

Not only won't he do that .. he just hired their poster boy. :D

http://images.dailykos.com/images/288648/large/bannon_lede_1_.jpg?1471474021

Well Racism is a 2 way Street,

Should Hillary disavow all of the support from BLM, who have a real problem with Racist in their organization, or is that different?

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 11:21 AM
Only if you use the Democrats False narrative that Trump was talking about all Black unemployment

http://investmentwatchblog.com/wsj-50-black-youth-unemployed-under-obama/

But he was not.

So in order for you to be telling the truth, you have to accept the democrats lie first.

Why is his lie so much worse than yours.

No, he was specifically talking about BLACK YOUTH.

He more than doubled the correct number, and again - 16-19 year olds ...

Did you work full time when you were that age?

I wouldn't have had time - played two team sports and belonged to several clubs.

nic34
08-23-2016, 11:23 AM
Of course the vast majority of the violence is not from Trump supporters, But it is from Democrats that have done everything from toss eggs into a helpless women's face to chase down and beat Trump supporters.

They have pushed down old ladies and nearly killed Minorities that have supported Mr. Trump. So knowing that most of the violence has come from Democrats and add to that the fact that Under the Obama Administration, Violent crime is on the rise in most of our inner cites, where large populations of minorities live?

What do they really have to loose.

You really are that deluded zel? Did you look at the link?

“Donald Trump called this morning, and we had a good conversation,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-violence_us_56e85030e4b0b25c91837ac0?jqcnxw29) Tuesday on Capitol Hill. “I took the opportunity to recommend to him that no matter who may be triggering these violent, uh, expressions or conflict that we’ve seen at some of these rallies, it might be a good idea to condemn that and discourage it, no matter what the source of it is.”

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 11:25 AM
Well Racism is a 2 way Street,

Should Hillary disavow all of the support from BLM, who have a real problem with Racist in their organization, or is that different?

The obvious racists in BLM are a small minority. Yes, she has disavowed those, but not the organization as a whole.

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:26 AM
The violence has been equal from both sides, and has largely been stoked by Trump himself.

Really?

Please post acts of violence at Hillary Events?

Here are just a few from the Trump Rallies

http://investmentwatchblog.com/wsj-50-black-youth-unemployed-under-obama/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SU8zYHWbnY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnse02cTD6k

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:28 AM
The obvious racists in BLM are a small minority. Yes, she has disavowed those, but not the organization as a whole.

I am going to need a link on that?

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 11:28 AM
Really?

Please post acts of violence at Hillary Events?

Here are just a few from the Trump Rallies

Using YouTube videos to make generalizations never works.

I could respond with unprovoked acts of violence by Trumpkins and we'd be in the same boat.

Again, it has come from both sides .. and Trump instigated it to at least an extent.

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:30 AM
You really are that deluded zel? Did you look at the link?

“Donald Trump called this morning, and we had a good conversation,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-violence_us_56e85030e4b0b25c91837ac0?jqcnxw29) Tuesday on Capitol Hill. “I took the opportunity to recommend to him that no matter who may be triggering these violent, uh, expressions or conflict that we’ve seen at some of these rallies, it might be a good idea to condemn that and discourage it, no matter what the source of it is.”

And yet I don't recall any of you condemning the violence from your side.

This pro man was severely beaten my Democrat thugs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYTpzz6pxs

Bo-4
08-23-2016, 11:32 AM
I am going to need a link on that?

Both Bill and Hillary have been in some heated exchanges with BLM.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/07/473428472/bill-clinton-gets-into-heated-exchange-with-black-lives-matter-protester

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-whichhillary/

nic34
08-23-2016, 11:37 AM
And yet I don't recall any of you condemning the violence from your side.

This pro man was severely beaten my Democrat thugs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYTpzz6pxs

I don't speak for everyone on my side zel, just me. Trump should listen to Majority leader McConnell.

And for the record, I condemn violence on all sides.

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:39 AM
Both Bill and Hillary have been in some heated exchanges with BLM.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/07/473428472/bill-clinton-gets-into-heated-exchange-with-black-lives-matter-protester

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-whichhillary/

Yes I realize that BLM has issue with the Clintons

I was looking for a place where they have condemned the violence and rhetoric that BLM is calling for?

zelmo1234
08-23-2016, 11:41 AM
I don't speak for everyone on my side zel, just me. Trump should listen to Majority leader McConnell.

And for the record, I condemn violence on all sides.

Thanks I know you to be a non violent person, but we have to be truthful and the majority of violence is not coming from Trump supporters, it is coming from the Left.

I would expect that we can admit that and take actions to stop it. Saying that it is equal is not being truthful, and does not prevent the problem

Subdermal
08-23-2016, 12:16 PM
Each side contains millions of individuals.

Trump's side contain millions of individuals who have nearly to a person managed to declare their support for Trump without violence.

That is not true of the anti-Trump side.

Cop outs like "I'd post examples of unprovoked violence from Trumpkins, but then we'd be in the same boat" are laughable.

We're not in the same boat. Your boat is the side with the scumbags in it.

The Xl
08-23-2016, 12:38 PM
While you can't draw any conclusions from a single poll, the poll averages have historically been amazingly accurate.

Quinnipiac was one of the most accurate in 2012. Significantly higher? :confused:

He'll do worse than either Mitt or McCain. My bet is 2 or 3.

“According to the Quinnipiac University poll (http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2363), just 1 percent of African-American voters supported Trump. That was well behind the 6 percent of the black vote that went to Mitt Romney in 2012, and the 4 percent that supported John McCain in 2008.

The poll averages of the past are irrelevant, as Trump is basically the only modern candidate that isn't bought by the special interests that run the country. These polls are likely completely fabricated for the political purpose of derailing Trumps momentum.