Milo Yiannopoulos: the face of the Alt-Right in the US

[Peter1469]

Milo Yiannopoulos: the face of the Alt-Right in the US (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-america-divided/milo-yiannopoulos/)

This article better describes the Alt-Right than anything else recently published.


Yiannopoulos is the 31-year-old British tech editor and star writer for Breibart News, where he’s the loudest defender of the new, Trump-led ultraconservatism, standing athwart history, shouting to stop immigrants, feminists, political correctness, and any non-Western culture. Yiannopoulos gained his initial fame as the general in a massive troll war over misogyny in the video game world, known as Gamergate. He was permanently banned from Twitter in July after the social media company said his almost 350,000 followers were responsible for harassingGhostbusters star Leslie Jones. He still has nearly 275,000 subscribers to his YouTube speeches, and CNBC and Fox turn to him as the most notorious spokesman for the alt-right, the U.S. version of Europe’s far right (led at various times by England’s Nigel Farage, France’s Marine Le Pen, Austria’s Jorg Haider, the Netherlands’ Geert Wilders, and Germany’s Frauke Petry). Their followers’ politics are almost exactly the same: They’re angry about globalization—culturally even more than economically. They’re angry about political correctness guilting them about insensitivity to women, minorities, gays, transgender people, the disabled, the sick—the everyone-but-them. They’re angry about feminism. They don’t like immigrants. They don’t like military intervention. They aren’t into free trade. They don’t like international groups such as the European Union, United Nations, or NATO—even the International Olympic Committee. They admire the bravado of authoritarians, especially Vladimir Putin. Some are white supremacists. Most enjoy a good conspiracy theory.


But members of the alt-right, unlike their old, frustrated European counterparts, are less focused on policy than on performance. Their MO usually involves pissing people off with hypermasculine taunts. They call establishment and even Tea Party Republicans “cuckservatives”—because they are cuckolded by the Left. They do most of their acting out online, often by organizing on 4chan or Reddit and then trolling targets on Twitter. The alt-right is a new enough phenomenon that in August, Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan—running against an alt-right candidate in a primary—mistakenly called it “alt-conservatism” on a radio show. “It’s a nasty, virulent strain of something,” he said. “I don’t even know what it is, other than that it isn’t us. It isn’t what we believe in.”


Read the rest at the link.

[Subdermal]

I think the sole purpose of the alt-right is to defeat Political Correctness.

And - for that reason - I'm absolutely fine with them.

[exploited]

I think the sole purpose of the alt-right is to defeat Political Correctness.

And - for that reason - I'm absolutely fine with them.

You are the alt-right.

[Mister D]

Milo is a liberal in the classical sense.

I will no longer use this term despite identifying closely with the identitarian sentiments at the heart of "alt-right" ideology, as it were. It is officially without meaning.

[Peter1469]

I think the sole purpose of the alt-right is to defeat Political Correctness.

And - for that reason - I'm absolutely fine with them.

PC as well as the push for cultural globalism.

[exploited]

And by "defeat PC," what is meant is "defeat PC I don't agree with." Naturally, these guys will complain incessantly about people not standing up for the national anthem, or not saying the Pledge of Allegiance, or burning the flag, or boycotting the funerals of soldiers, or any other speech that offends them.

[Chris]

I like Milo's anti-PC flamboyance but he is being investigated over his charity funds so I'll hold off supporting him till that's settled.

[Mac-7]

Milo Yiannopoulos: the face of the Alt-Right in the US (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-america-divided/milo-yiannopoulos/)

This article better describes the Alt-Right than anything else recently published.



They’re angry about political correctness guilting them about insensitivity to women, minorities, gays, transgender people, the disabled, the sick—the everyone-but-them. They’re angry about feminism. They don’t like immigrants. They don’t like military intervention. They aren’t into free trade. They don’t like international groups such as the European Union, United Nations, or NATO—even the International Olympic Committee. They admire the bravado of authoritarians, especially Vladimir Putin. Some are white supremacists.

Read the rest at the link.


Except for being anti military intervention, pro putin and white supremacist that comes very close to describing my position.

well done

[Chris]

Except for being anti military intervention, pro putin and white supremacist that comes very close to describing my position.

well done


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Yiannopoulos’s favorite political tactic is trolling. In the alt-right worldview, nice, normal white dudes are told they’re racist and sexist by “social justice warriors.” In retaliation, they’ve adopted a strategy Yiannopoulos calls “double down, don’t back down.” He explains: “If someone calls you an anti-Semite, you go to their page and put up swastikas.” Then those he’s offended, he says, use this prank as false proof of the original accusation of anti-Semitism to gain power through sympathy. Yiannopoulos’s mob of trolls then mock them for taking the prank seriously and whining. Nobody’s actions can be taken at face value. “Everybody is trolling everybody, and nobody knows who is winning,” he says. And at least his side is enjoying it.

“We live in a post-fact era. It’s wonderful,” he says, pointing to various web pages on his giant computer screen that show photos of, supposedly, Bill Clinton’s grown black son. “The Washington Post gives a truth check, and no one cares. Now you have to use the truth and other strategies. You have to be persuasive. Dumpy lesbian feminists and shrieking harpies in the Black Lives Matter movement are not persuasive,” he says, digging into the egg, turkey, and avocado scramble prepared by his full-time trainer.

In this Kafkaesque troll war for America’s soul, Yiannopoulos believes that all offense is performed rather than truly felt. “I have never been offended. I don’t know what it means. It’s not that I disagree with it. I don’t understand it. I’ve never had that feeling,” he says. “I don’t let feelings control my life. I’m more disciplined than other people. I have a dark, ADD, Asp-y [Asperger’s syndrome] brain. I’m totally autistic or sociopathic. I guess I’m both.”

[ripmeister]

This is a decent intro to the alt-right but their is so much more. Don't have the time now but I'll get to,it asap.

[ripmeister]

Here is another good synopsis. I find the part about the blogger Moldbug and the anti democracy pro authoritarianism ideas to be interesting or as the title says, weird.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained

[Mac-7]

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And?

[Hal Jordan]

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Sounds like it fits him even more.

[Mac-7]

Sounds like it fits him even more.

Good ole Hal, the superior being.

he has perfected nothingness

[Hal Jordan]

Good ole Hal, the superior being.

he has perfected nothingness

Is that supposed to be a denial?

[Mac-7]

Is that supposed to be a denial?

What am I accused of?

[Hal Jordan]

What am I accused of?

I said the description fit you. You either took offense for some unknown reason or just decided to strike at me for no reason. Which is it?

[Mac-7]

I said the description fit you. You either took offense for some unknown reason or just decided to strike at me for no reason. Which is it?

I would not assume that you were paying me a compliment

[Hal Jordan]

I would not assume that you were paying me a compliment

I wasn't intending it as a compliment or an insult, just a statement of fact. Do you assume I have enough hatred of you that anything I say has to be an insult?

[Mac-7]

I wasn't intending it as a compliment or an insult, just a statement of fact. Do you assume I have enough hatred of you that anything I say has to be an insult?

I keep forgetting that you are a non partisan moderate with no opinion on anything or bias toward anyone.

[Hal Jordan]

I keep forgetting that you are a non partisan moderate with no opinion on anything or bias toward anyone.

I have strong opinions, but, unlike some, I can remain objective.

[Mac-7]

I have strong opinions, but, unlike some, I can remain objective.

You mean inconsequential.

you make a big show of being objective but never mamage to leave your mark on the land to show that you were even here

[Hal Jordan]

You mean inconsequential.

you make a big show of being objective but never mamage to leave your mark on the land to show that you were even here

Really? You have no idea of the mark I've left, which continues to grow. Your view is growing stagnant, because there's no real movement.

[Mac-7]

Really? You have no idea of the mark I've left, which continues to grow. Your view is growing stagnant, because there's no real movement.

That's right

I'm not aware of any marks you meaning the third party movement have left because there aren't any

[Chris]

My intent was to say you might not want to associate yourself with Milo, Mac, then you went and behaved like him. In order to be at all successful though you need an army of trolls behind you.

There's also this: Breitbart Editor Milo Yiannopoulos Takes $100,000 for Charity, Gives $0 (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/19/breitbart-editor-milo-yiannopoulos-takes-100-000-for-charity-gives-0.html).

[Chris]

Here is another good synopsis. I find the part about the blogger Moldbug and the anti democracy pro authoritarianism ideas to be interesting or as the title says, weird.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained


All I know of alt-right is they are anti-PC. It's natural the left would want to paint them as evil.


The alt-right is a segment of right-wing ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the United States.[1][2] It has been described as a movement unified by support for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump,[3][4] as well as by opposition to multiculturalism and immigration.[2][5]

The alt-right has no official ideology, although various sources have said that it is associated with white nationalism,[1][2][6] white supremacism,[3][7][8] antisemitism,[1][2][9] right-wing populism,[6] nativism,[10] and the neoreactionary movement.[7][11]

It has been said to be a largely online movement with Internet memes widely used to advance or express its beliefs, often on websites such as 4chan....

@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

[Hal Jordan]

That's right

I'm not aware of any marks you meaning the third party movement have left because there aren't any

No, the reason is that you've allowed yourself to be blinded.

[Mac-7]

My intent was to say you might not want to associate yourself with Milo, Mac, then you went and behaved like him. In order to be at all successful though you need an army of trolls behind you.

There's also this: Breitbart Editor Milo Yiannopoulos Takes $100,000 for Charity, Gives $0 (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/19/breitbart-editor-milo-yiannopoulos-takes-100-000-for-charity-gives-0.html).

Your "intent" was superceded by Hal who trolled me and I responded to him

if milo is a battler against his leftwing politically correct critics then I dont want to summarily disown him

because we should fight back when we are trolled

[Chris]

Your "intent" was superceded by Hal who trolled me and I responded to him

if milo is a battler against his leftwing politically correct critics then I dont want to summarily disown him

because we should fight back when we are trolled


You weren't trolled, Mac.

[Mac-7]

You weren't trolled, Mac.

thats your biased opinion

[Captain Obvious]

So... is this chic hot?

[Mister D]

Here is another good synopsis. I find the part about the blogger Moldbug and the anti democracy pro authoritarianism ideas to be interesting or as the title says, weird.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained

Have you ever heard of Moldbug? I haven't and I...let's just say I travel in these circles. American political culture remains extremely insular and relatively homogeneous. I got the impression that the author, like his intended audience, is struggling to understand ideas alien to American political and cultural life. This can be good or bad, I suppose. I will wait and see.

[Mister D]

I also thought the terms "neoreaction" and neoreactionary", while bandied about quite frequently in the article, are of unclear meaning. It seemed more like an effort to shoehorn ideas into ideological categories the author was comfortable with than an honest effort to approach these newfound ideas on their own terms. I thought the same with regard to a comparison with libertarians who represent one of the more extreme forms of liberal politics.

[ripmeister]

Have you ever heard of Moldbug? I haven't and I...let's just say I travel in these circles. American political culture remains extremely insular and relatively homogeneous. I got the impression that the author, like his intended audience, is struggling to understand ideas alien to American political and cultural life. This can be good or bad, I suppose. I will wait and see.

No I hadn't. I don't know much about the alt right and its various strands. I found this article interesting especially this line of thought of being anti democracy and in favor of a more authoritarian point of view, or even a monarchy. I'll be searching out more writings on this subject to try and come up with as objective an analysis as possible.

[Hal Jordan]

Your "intent" was superceded by Hal who trolled me and I responded to him

if milo is a battler against his leftwing politically correct critics then I dont want to summarily disown him

because we should fight back when we are trolled

How exactly were you trolled?

[Mac-7]

How exactly were you trolled?

Personal insults are a way for trolls to get attention

[Captain Obvious]

Personal insults are a way for trolls to get attention

That other testicle drop yet?

[Mac-7]

That other testicle drop yet?

Has it been a slow day at the free porn sites?

[Captain Obvious]

Has it been a slow day at the free porn sites?

I'm kind of falling behind actually, been traveling.

[Mac-7]

I'm kind of falling behind actually, been traveling.

In that case your supply of viagra and hand soap will last longer

[Captain Obvious]

In that case your supply of viagra and hand soap will last longer

ok that was kind of funny.

[Hal Jordan]

Personal insults are a way for trolls to get attention

Where was the personal insult?

[Mac-7]

Where was the personal insult?

Chris answered that question somewhat in post #25


My intent was to say you might not want to associate yourself with Milo, Mac, then you went and behaved like him. In order to be at all successful though you need an army of trolls behind you.

Clearly chris does not think milo is a positive influence on debate.

he calls milo a troll and says I might want to disassociate myself from him.

but before I can reply to chris you come along and say that the description and criticism of milo fits me too.

thats an obvious personal insult by you

[Chris]

Chris answered that question somewhat in post #25



Clearly chris does not think milo is a positive influence on debate.

he calls milo a troll and says I might want to disassociate myself from him.

but before I can reply to chris you come along and say that the description and criticism of milo fits me too.

thats an obvious personal insult by you


Milo calls himself a troll. Reading could be your friend, mac, if you only tried.

[Chris]

Personal insults are a way for trolls to get attention

We've all noticed that.

[Peter1469]

It should be noted that Milo rejects the concept that he is a leader of the Alt-right movement. That is the position of the Alt-right. They are leaderless. For many reasons, not the least of which is the leader will be identified my the "media" and viciously attacked with the hopes of discrediting the Alt-right movement. Most prominent people in the Alt-right movement refuse to even talk to "reporters." They just tell them to piss off.

[Mac-7]

We've all noticed that.

Then tell the VIP to set a positive example and knock off the snide personal remarks

[Chris]

Then tell the VIP to set a positive example and knock off the snide personal remarks

It starts with you, mac.

[Captain Obvious]

Where was the personal insult?

I fart in your general direction...

[Mac-7]

It starts with you, mac.

I made no comment about Hal till he started on me

He was being the troll

[Chris]

I made no comment about Hal till he started on me

He was being the troll

I'm sure he's used to your name calling. Rest of us are.

[Hal Jordan]

Chris answered that question somewhat in post #25



Clearly chris does not think milo is a positive influence on debate.

he calls milo a troll and says I might want to disassociate myself from him.

but before I can reply to chris you come along and say that the description and criticism of milo fits me too.

thats an obvious personal insult by you

So it's a personal insult because of something someone else posted 12 posts later and 11 posts after you took it as one for some strange reason? I made a simple statement of fact without any commentary as to whether it was good or bad.

[Hal Jordan]

I fart in your general direction...

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries...

[Mac-7]

So it's a personal insult because of something someone else posted 12 posts later and 11 posts after you took it as one for some strange reason? I made a simple statement of fact without any commentary as to whether it was good or bad.

I know I wont get a consession from you so lets just call it a stalemate and move on.

[Hal Jordan]

I know I wont get a consession from you so lets just call it a stalemate and move on.

Why would I concede when I wasn't intending an insult. When I insult you, it will be clear.

We can call it a stalemate, though.

[Mister D]

No I hadn't. I don't know much about the alt right and its various strands. I found this article interesting especially this line of thought of being anti democracy and in favor of a more authoritarian point of view, or even a monarchy. I'll be searching out more writings on this subject to try and come up with as objective an analysis as possible.

If you want to understand the so called "alternative right" I would suggest you go straight to the sources rather than have them filtered through another person's perspective. Should you wish to do so please let me know either by tagging me here or sending me PM.

[Mister D]

ripmeister I should add that the alt right is not anti-democratic generally speaking. It's anti-liberal at its core. It only appears anti-democratic because liberal democracy has become the only conceivable form of democracy to us.

[Subdermal]

And by "defeat PC," what is meant is "defeat PC I don't agree with."

:biglaugh:

You may as well have said "defeat ideologies with which I do not agree". PC is beyond that: it is an attempt to squelch speech by fabricating out of bounds taboos - which shouldn't be.


Naturally, these guys will complain incessantly about people not standing up for the national anthem, or not saying the Pledge of Allegiance, or burning the flag, or boycotting the funerals of soldiers, or any other speech that offends them.

Complain is not the same thing as 'offer cogent arguments in response'. Sorry. One is allowed to disagree. PC - as you obviously prefer - is an tempt to squelch disagreement in general.

Which is exactly why you got bent out of shape with my response.

[Chris]

...The left is responsible for me. The left is responsible for the rise of Donald Trump. The left created the alt-right.

If you’re on the Left, and you’re looking out at the alt-right with horror, and want to destroy it, guess what? You probably can.

Here’s the bad news: your current tactics aren’t working, and are in fact having the opposite of their intended effect. Name-calling, public shaming, and tearing your hair out over Pepe the Frog is simply ineffective and is enlarging the ranks of the troll army every day you continue to do it.

Here’s the good news: there are a few simple things you can do to nuke the movement.

I’m happy to tell you what they are, because I know you’re not going to do any of them.

But I want to you to listen, because I want you to understand how your actions created this phenomenon.

The first thing you have to do is stop being hypocrites....

@ ‘How To Destroy The Alt Right’ By MILO (http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/09/19/milo-destroy-alt-right-speech/)

[ripmeister]

If you want to understand the so called "alternative right" I would suggest you go straight to the sources rather than have them filtered through another person's perspective. Should you wish to do so please let me know either by tagging me here or sending me PM.

perhaps you could list the names of a few seminal thinkers and some references

[Mister D]

perhaps you could list the names of a few seminal thinkers and some references

Absolutely!

Alain de Benoist has been very influential in my case.

http://www.alaindebenoist.com/quid.html?lang=en

His Critique of Liberal Ideology is a handy introduction to alt right thought. It will become quickly clear to you but by "liberalism" he is referring to liberalism in it's classical sense. Americans use the term in reference to progressive politics but most of the world doesn't. if you asked a European to name a famous liberal politician people like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher would come to mind.

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/alaindebenoist/pdf/critique_of_liberal_ideology.pdf

Here is a list of translated texts online.

http://www.alaindebenoist.com/text.html?lang=en

There are many figures associated with the alt right's critique of modernity and liberal democracy: Guillaume Faye, Pierre Krebs, Giorgio Locchi, Pierre Vial and the late Dominique Venner come to mind off hand. if you should have any continued interest let me know.