Why Obama's Campaign is Falling Apart

[Deadwood]

Admittedly, Jim Geraghty is a conservative journalist, but he has also documented the fear-based, post 911 swing to the right, which sent him to live in Turkey.

He's been around a long time and knows his politics.

I offer this for all to have a good read, and pick it apart if you can. He makes some good points, but....





A presidential reelection campaign needs three key elements: a defense of the incumbent’s record, a successful effort to define the opposition and a compelling vision of a second term.
President Obama may well celebrate a second term in Chicago next month, but the conventional wisdom underestimates the difficulty he faces, as his campaign has distinct problems with all three elements.
His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, his effort to define Mitt Romney is nearly exhausted, and his vision for the next four years — perhaps the most important — has been largely missing from his effort this year.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/falling-article-1.1176348#ixzz28fQhgr5e



http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/falling-article-1.1176348




From my perspective, what is instructive is that the Democrats aren't offering a defense of his record, at least nothing that sticks any better than the Teflon "It's Bush's fault"

[WalterSobchak]

Admittedly, Jim Geraghty is a conservative journalist, but he has also documented the fear-based, post 911 swing to the right, which sent him to live in Turkey.

He's been around a long time and knows his politics.

I offer this for all to have a good read, and pick it apart if you can. He makes some good points, but....





From my perspective, what is instructive is that the Democrats aren't offering a defense of his record, at least nothing that sticks any better than the Teflon "It's Bush's fault"


I agree. Which confuses me as to why the GOP is not crushing this man. This race should be a blow out GOP win. But it's not. Perhaps the GOP selected the wrong horse to run?

[Deadwood]

I agree. Which confuses me as to why the GOP is not crushing this man. This race should be a blow out GOP win. But it's not. Perhaps the GOP selected the wrong horse to run?

I would love to disagree with you Walter as you are a liberal who brings a lot to the table. Besides you have thick skin.

However, Romeny's weakness is evident, or at least it has been so far. I posted a thread some time ago expressing the same sentiment, I mean Obama IS the incumbent and should have five to 15 point lead based on that!

But, let me ask this? Who else did they have?


These are days, I think, when the cream sinks to the bottom.

[Calypso Jones]

I agree. Which confuses me as to why the GOP is not crushing this man. This race should be a blow out GOP win. But it's not. Perhaps the GOP selected the wrong horse to run?

Romney was/is not crushing obama thanks to the BM(big media) and it's LoB's Lovers of Obama. Matthews, Mitchell, Krugman, and a plethora of liars in media, entertainment and gov't. And we can't forget that base of the most ignorant americans God has ever put on the face of the earth, in one place, for just this time.

[WalterSobchak]

I would love to disagree with you Walter as you are a liberal who brings a lot to the table. Besides you have thick skin.

However, Romeny's weakness is evident, or at least it has been so far. I posted a thread some time ago expressing the same sentiment, I mean Obama IS the incumbent and should have five to 15 point lead based on that!

But, let me ask this? Who else did they have?


These are days, I think, when the cream sinks to the bottom.


I am definately a lib socially. No doubt about it. But I don't know many Libs who support Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. Just sayin!

So I may sound a bit of a brat when I say that the GOP should have supported Ron Paul more.

[WalterSobchak]

Romney was/is not crushing obama thanks to the BM(big media) and it's LoB's Lovers of Obama. Matthews, Mitchell, Krugman, and a plethora of liars in media, entertainment and gov't. And we can't forget that base of the most ignorant americans God has ever put on the face of the earth, in one place, for just this time.


So how long has the media been the way you describe?

[Calypso Jones]

My analysis: It started going south after WWII. Ridiculous starting in the 60's but evil starting in the 80's and has gotten progressively worse. I think it's deteriorated at its worst since the 90's. The media is now openly hostile and aggressive and it doesn't care any longer if you know that it is leftist and will protect a democrat president, this one in particular at any cost.

[Deadwood]

So how long has the media been the way you describe?

There is no arguing that the media has given Obama an easy ride.

Look, Bush was torn apart for continuing to read a book to kids for a few minutes after being told about 911, when it was indeed the right thing to do...jumping up and running out would have panicked the kids.

Obama went to sleep not knowing the fate of his own Ambassador, failed to provide the protection they had asked for a month earlier AND ignored warnings from Canada, France and Britain that things were heating up.

Yet we hear almost nothing about it. If it were Bush it would be a daily topic on MSNBC and The View etc.

I concede that ABC News is fairly objective....but CNN? MSNBC?

Seriously, make a case they are objective.

[Deadwood]

I am definately a lib socially. No doubt about it. But I don't know many Libs who support Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. Just sayin!

So I may sound a bit of a brat when I say that the GOP should have supported Ron Paul more.


Brat?

Ron Paul would have been creamed. He reads like a loose canon. Yes, he had some good stuff, but the angry old man thing would not sell in Peoria.

[WalterSobchak]

There is no arguing that the media has given Obama an easy ride.

Look, Bush was torn apart for continuing to read a book to kids for a few minutes after being told about 911, when it was indeed the right thing to do...jumping up and running out would have panicked the kids.

Obama went to sleep not knowing the fate of his own Ambassador, failed to provide the protection they had asked for a month earlier AND ignored warnings from Canada, France and Britain that things were heating up.

Yet we hear almost nothing about it. If it were Bush it would be a daily topic on MSNBC and The View etc.

I concede that ABC News is fairly objective....but CNN? MSNBC?

Seriously, make a case they are objective.


I don't deny the media swings to the left more. No doubt. But I simply refuse to believe they have ANY influence over ANY election for POTUS over the years.

The GOP has a pretty good record against the MSM over the last 4 decades when it comes to running for POTUS and winning.

[WalterSobchak]

Brat?

Ron Paul would have been creamed. He reads like a loose canon. Yes, he had some good stuff, but the angry old man thing would not sell in Peoria.


That angry old man knows what to do to make this Country great. IMO

[Deadwood]

That angry old man knows what to do to make this Country great. IMO

That may be, Walter. But politics is not what is, but what sells, ergo Barack Obama, rock star.

[Calypso Jones]

Obama would beat the old socks off of Paul and the left knows it. If you'd seen him on Phil Donahue's show back in the eighties you'd have given up on that idea long ago.

[WalterSobchak]

That may be, Walter. But politics is not what is, but what sells, ergo Barack Obama, rock star.


Very true F&L.

[WalterSobchak]

Obama would beat the old socks off of Paul and the left knows it. If you'd seen him on Phil Donahue's show back in the eighties you'd have given up on that idea long ago.


LOL, in the 80's, all I wanted to watch on TV were cartoons and The A Team!

[Deadwood]

Very true F&L.

and sad....

But Canada has had the same problem, the reason we got saddled with an idiot named Jean Chretien for 12 years. And now, Trudeau 2.0 is on the rise, the son of Pierre is making a run for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada.

His qualifications?

Name
and he's pretty.

He's a shoe in.

[WalterSobchak]

and sad....

But Canada has had the same problem, the reason we got saddled with an idiot named Jean Chretien for 12 years. And now, Trudeau 2.0 is on the rise, the son of Pierre is making a run for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada.

His qualifications?

Name
and he's pretty.

He's a shoe in.


How is the weather up there? What's the hottest it gets in the Summertime?

[Deadwood]

How is the weather up there? What's the hottest it gets in the Summertime?

Vancouver itself never gets too hot, we're right on the water and bordered on the North by 3,500 ft mountains. Inland can get into the 30's...that's closing in on 100 for you luddites.

And it rarely snows here either. We get lots of rain, almost as much as Seattle. Right now we are in a drought and have been since July 1st, which is screwing with my gardening business.

How come you're always on so late?

[Calypso Jones]

and sad....

But Canada has had the same problem, the reason we got saddled with an idiot named Jean Chretien for 12 years. And now, Trudeau 2.0 is on the rise, the son of Pierre is making a run for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada.

His qualifications?

Name
and he's pretty.

He's a shoe in.

are you watching the Venezuelan campaign and election is tomorrow. CHavez is having a run for his money. He's got a young good looking socialist running neck and neck with him it appears. Of course it won't mean much difference in how that country relates to the US but i'd like to see Chavez get the boot.

[WalterSobchak]

Vancouver itself never gets too hot, we're right on the water and bordered on the North by 3,500 ft mountains. Inland can get into the 30's...that's closing in on 100 for you luddites.

And it rarely snows here either. We get lots of rain, almost as much as Seattle. Right now we are in a drought and have been since July 1st, which is screwing with my gardening business.

How come you're always on so late?


It's not late out here F&L. It's only 8:35PM. LOL

[Deadwood]

Oh right, you are Central time, two hours ahead of me.

[Deadwood]

I don't deny the media swings to the left more. No doubt. But I simply refuse to believe they have ANY influence over ANY election for POTUS over the years.

The GOP has a pretty good record against the MSM over the last 4 decades when it comes to running for POTUS and winning.


I would have to disagree with that. I would say the media played a huge role in Kennedy's election. You are too young to remember [since you were watching cartoons in the 80's you have to be] but the media hyped Kennedy like crazy.

Carter too got a boost from favorable coverage and the media kept it close with its constant harping on Reagan until the debate. He won IN SPITE of that coverage.

And I would say Clinton caught a wave against Bush 1.0.....

[truthmatters]

did you see the latest jobs report and the Obama fund raising numbers this month?

[birddog]

The percentage of people working is about 2% less than when Obama took office. Taking away the part-timers they added recently, the unemployment rate is about 11%.

Anyone with honesty and common sense would know we need to fire Obama's donkey!

[Carygrant]

Even though your understanding of the employment situation is about 100%under stated and wrong , explain why it should be less now than in 2008 when an economic power block that is larger than you and accounts for around 50% of your trade , is in recession?
Further , when China increasingly can manufacture identical products to you but at significantly cheaper end prices, why do you expect American employment to even stay steady?
When this last point applies equally to India and the far east , why do you imagine that you should be doing better than you are .
Such matters are now unrelated to party differences and it is shocking and lamentable that Republicans are not better educated to see and comprehend very simple propositions Like these .

[truthmatters]

The percentage of people working is about 2% less than when Obama took office. Taking away the part-timers they added recently, the unemployment rate is about 11%.

Anyone with honesty and common sense would know we need to fire Obama's donkey!


Sir you are likely are real nice guy and served your country well.

The problem is you listen to propaganda and not real news.

You listen to fox and you listen to anyone who will tell you how Obama is a demin frim hell who is going to euthanize all the white people .

I have to find fault with anyone who swallows propaganda when they dont have to.

There is real news that you can watch and or read to become imformed of the real facts.

[truthmatters]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493pL_Vbtnc



unfortunately this is how the tea party faction feels about things

[Calypso Jones]

Sir you are likely are real nice guy and served your country well.

The problem is you listen to propaganda and not real news.

You listen to fox and you listen to anyone who will tell you how Obama is a demin frim hell who is going to euthanize all the white people .

I have to find fault with anyone who swallows propaganda when they dont have to.

There is real news that you can watch and or read to become imformed of the real facts.

this is what you would call nerve. coming from an uninformed, lazy, loaded with self esteem do-nothing. The typical yahoo intellectual.

[Trinnity]

Why he's falling apart (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/falling-article-1.1176348)

A presidential reelection campaign needs three key elements: a defense of the incumbent’s record, a successful effort to define the opposition and a compelling vision of a second term.
President Obama may well celebrate a second term in Chicago next month, but the conventional wisdom underestimates the difficulty he faces, as his campaign has distinct problems with all three elements.
His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, his effort to define Mitt Romney is nearly exhausted, and his vision for the next four years — perhaps the most important — has been largely missing from his effort this year.


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1176827.1349573367!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/obama-falls.jpg


Yeah, he can't defend his record and now with the foreign policy scandal, he's just in such deep water. He can't make anything bad stick on Romney, cuz Romney is really a decent guy. He has no real plan for the second term. He's just vague.

And the icing on the cake: his debate performance was uninspiring, lacking in substance, and his demeanor was lethargic. Look at the results:


http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/yw-tuhotheefulsizycwfq.gif
.......................SOURCE (http://www.gallup.com/poll/157907/romney-narrows-vote-gap-historic-debate-win.aspx)

I really do wonder if he's just going through the motions. Why? Is it just too much effort?
Is he out of juice?

Thoughts?

[Peter1469]

The Tea Party(ies) are the opposite of racist. Democratics are racist.

[shaarona]

Yeah, he can't defend his record and now with the foreign policy scandal, he's just in such deep water. He can't make anything bad stick on Romney, cuz Romney is really a decent guy. He has no real plan for the second term. He's just vague.

And the icing on the cake: his debate performance was uninspiring, lacking in substance, and his demeanor was lethargic. I really do wonder if he's just going through the motions. Why? Is it just too much effort?
Is he out of juice?

Thoughts?

I have many doubts about Obama's ability to lead, but now Romney is talking about providing heavy arms to Syria.

[truthmatters]

this is what you would call nerve. coming from an uninformed, lazy, loaded with self esteem do-nothing. The typical yahoo intellectual.

do nothing?

why do you say that.

remember I proved I predicted the crash and also kill dead many of the myths you people live by here.

Its why you all love me so much and try to talk me into staying all the time.

joke

[truthmatters]

The Tea Party(ies) are the opposite of racist. Democratics are racist.



yeah that is why the democratic party is made up of most of the people of this country who represent the human rainbow.


did you ever see the tea party signs?

[truthmatters]

Dream on con

[Mainecoons]

I have a big problem with Romney as regards his apparent intention to continue this ruinous course of trying to police the world.

If there is one part of the U.S. government that badly needs downsizing, it is the Department of Offense.

[Trinnity]

I've been predicting a Romney win for some time now. I stand by that.

[truthmatters]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope

[truthmatters]

I've been predicting a Romney win for some time now. I stand by that.

Noted and bookmarked

[Trinnity]

Noted and bookmarkedDon't bother. I'll put it in my siggy.

[truthmatters]

sweet....... for how long?

[truthmatters]

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[Peter1469]

yeah that is why the democratic party is made up of most of the people of this country who represent the human rainbow.


did you ever see the tea party signs?


Yes.

The democratic party is made up of thousands of victim groups. They never grew up. They are children.

[truthmatters]

So you hate half of your fellow Americans and tell lies about them because they dont share your historically failed ideas?

[Peter1469]

Romney is a neocon, and dangerous for America. The only reason that I may vote for him is the SCOTUS issue. If Obama gets the chance to replace a conservative justice it simply won't matter who is president any longer.

[Peter1469]

So you hate half of your fellow Americans and tell lies about them because they dont share your historically failed ideas?

Incorrect.

[Agravan]

did you ever see the tea party signs?
post one

[shaarona]

Romney is a neocon, and dangerous for America. The only reason that I may vote for him is the SCOTUS issue. If Obama gets the chance to replace a conservative justice it simply won't matter who is president any longer.

Yep.. Romney is campaigning on giving heavy weapons to Syria..

[Peter1469]

Yep.. Romney is campaigning on giving heavy weapons to Syria..

A mistake.

[shaarona]

A mistake.

I think so... but Romney is waaay too focused on Israel.

[Peter1469]

Israel is a big boy and can take care of itself.

[Trinnity]

I merged my thread with FAL's.
Sorry, FAL, didn't see yours when I posted mine.....

[truthmatters]

hey we all make mistakes.

good for you trin

[coolwalker]

Romney was/is not crushing obama thanks to the BM(big media) and it's LoB's Lovers of Obama. Matthews, Mitchell, Krugman, and a plethora of liars in media, entertainment and gov't. And we can't forget that base of the most ignorant americans God has ever put on the face of the earth, in one place, for just this time.

I personally believe that it is due to many Caucasians who have some deeply hidden concept that simply because other Caucasians 300 years ago brought slaves here we must re-elect Obama to prove we aren't racist. The odd thing is that the concept itself is racist. They should vote their conviction(s) not their hidden fears. Also, any government/administration has the ability to alter facts and who is capable of disproving them in time?

[truthmatters]

nothing but partisan ramblings.

You belong to a party that cant get one full percent of the American black vote.

Thaat disqualifies you as an expert on race relations

[Peter1469]

nothing but partisan ramblings.

You belong to a party that cant get one full percent of the American black vote.

Thaat disqualifies you as an expert on race relations

That speaks more about a race that votes only on race, than it speaks of whites.

[Deadwood]

did you see the latest jobs report and the Obama fund raising numbers this month?

One, please reply with quote so people know to whom you are responding. Iy you have information on a jobs report there are several forums dealing with that topic and I would ask that you follow forum rules and post them there allowing the rest of us to stay on topic.

Your future courtesy in this regard would be appreciated.

[bladimz]

I personally believe that it is due to many Caucasians who have some deeply hidden concept that simply because other Caucasians 300 years ago brought slaves here we must re-elect Obama to prove we aren't racist. The odd thing is that the concept itself is racist. They should vote their conviction(s) not their hidden fears. Also, any government/administration has the ability to alter facts and who is capable of disproving them in time?Really pretty funny post here. This is exactly the same excuse the right used 4 years ago in response to Obama's election to the WH. But if it was a failed talking point 4 years ago, why not try it again and see what happens. It's always promising to see that there's always someone who's willing to bring up the slave/white man relationship of 300 years ago and attempt to psycho-analyze. It becomes tiresome after awhile.

You are right about one thing, though. Voters should vote their convictions and in their best interests. A big problem is that many don't even know who or what represents their best interests.

[truthmatters]

thank Fox news

they work hard on that one

[Peter1469]

Thank CNBC.

They work hard on that one.

[truthmatters]

yes they do


They do finanacials all day long and did not see the crash coming.

gee I wonder why?

[Peter1469]

yes they do


They do finanacials all day long and did not see the crash coming.

gee I wonder why?

Well I saw it back in 2001. Why were you so late to the party?

[truthmatters]

go get proof like I did

[Deadwood]

go get proof like I did

Where did you provide proof?

You continue to make these claims, demand proof on such ancient topics as the civil war, but seldome, if ever post anything more than one line. At the same time you disrespect this forum by blind posting instead of providing the courtesy of allowing others to know to whom you are replying.


Please start showing some respect, then maybe you will get some

[truthmatters]

Go to my homepage and click on a link to my threads.

there you will clearly see I use cold hard documented facts and post links to them.

just saying I dont doesnt maek it true it just makes you a liar

[Deadwood]

Go to my homepage and click on a link to my threads.

there you will clearly see I use cold hard documented facts and post links to them.

just saying I dont doesnt maek it true it just makes you a liar



We are not here to support your home page, but to debate the issues of the day...in here.

If you have proof that I have lied, provide it.

And, again, I ask, politely that you start showing respect for other posters by following the traditions of forums generally and the rules specifically,'

You have used the term "lies" so much it has become completely and utterly meaningless; anytime anyone disagrees with you, even with substantiation you call them a liar.

This is borderline harassment.

[bladimz]

Well I saw it back in 2001. Why were you so late to the party?You and Krugman both. (j/k, kind of)

[Peter1469]

You and Krugman both. (j/k, kind of)

Krugman didn't see squat.

[bladimz]

Krugman didn't see squat.Sorry, i couldn't resist. (But he did, actually... see his listed NYT columns in "The Great Unraveling").

[Peter1469]

Sorry, i couldn't resist. (But he did, actually... see his listed NYT columns in "The Great Unraveling").

Those articles were anti-Bush propaganda and did not identify the real causes of either the housing market crash or the financial crisis. Sure, he said Bush was going to crash the system. That was his prediction. He is a hack.