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Cigar
10-09-2012, 11:38 AM
... all you need to do is decide when. :grin:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/121009-another-day-another-speech-another-steaming-pile-of-romney-bs.jpg

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 11:51 AM
In this ever-changing world people change their minds. What...you don't allow for this? Careful now, you boy does the same thing.

Cigar
10-09-2012, 12:01 PM
In this ever-changing world people change their minds. What...you don't allow for this? Careful now, you boy does the same thing.

So basically Mitt was just shacking down some $50k a plate idiots!

Chris
10-09-2012, 12:04 PM
In this ever-changing world people change their minds. What...you don't allow for this? Careful now, you boy does the same thing.


So basically Mitt was just shacking down some $50k a plate idiots!

Non sequitar. Though you could probably work a circus circuit with those mind-reading disabilities.

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 12:24 PM
So basically Mitt was just shacking down some $50k a plate idiots!

I've heard of shacking-up but not shacking-down.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 12:30 PM
In this ever-changing world people change their minds. What...you don't allow for this? Careful now, you boy does the same thing.

No No CW, other people flip-flop, obama evolves.

Chris
10-09-2012, 12:49 PM
Devolves. Liberalism (socialism) is tribalistic.

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hanger4
10-09-2012, 01:52 PM
... all you need to do is decide when. :grin:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/121009-another-day-another-speech-another-steaming-pile-of-romney-bs.jpg

So out of context Cigar.

Soledad O'Brien claimed this on her news, from the May 17 2012 Romney speech she left off/out this beginning line;

"I'm torn by two perspectives in this regard. One is the one which I've had for some time which is that


the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace and that the -- and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish."

The DU conned you again :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 01:59 PM
I really do believe that Romney's views are extremely dependent on the audience he's speaking to.

Cigar
10-09-2012, 02:09 PM
I really do believe that Romney's views are extremely dependent on the audience he's speaking to.

Shit ... for $50k he'll tell yea anything you like to hear. :)

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 02:11 PM
I really do believe that Romney's views are extremely dependent on the audience he's speaking to.

That is a given for any politician.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 02:16 PM
That is a given for any politician.

Some people take it to extremes. Most politicians will stretch their views to the audience--Romney seems capable of doing complete 180s. I think of him like a used car salesman.

Cigar
10-09-2012, 02:19 PM
Some people take it to extremes. Most politicians will stretch their views to the audience--Romney seems capable of doing complete 180s. I think of him like a used car salesman.



Remember ... Mittens is Extremely Conservative ... WTF does that mean?

hanger4
10-09-2012, 02:23 PM
Remember ... Mittens is Extremely Conservative ... WTF does that mean?

Who told you that ??

Cigar
10-09-2012, 02:28 PM
Who told you that ??


Well if you don't know, you're an idiot.

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 02:38 PM
Some people take it to extremes. Most politicians will stretch their views to the audience--Romney seems capable of doing complete 180s. I think of him like a used car salesman.

In my youth I read Rolling Stone, went to concerts stoned, scored as many girls as I could and in general did what I wanted. Now I have matured. Point being that people change. What I thought to be true yesterday is today replaced with a different view. Example: I have always tossed away medicine that was outdated. Today a report says this is just a scam by drug companies. My view changed.

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 02:38 PM
Shit ... for $50k he'll tell yea anything you like to hear. :)

Obama does that for free!

hanger4
10-09-2012, 02:40 PM
Well if you don't know, you're an idiot.

As opposed to someone posting out of context screeds from the DU ?? and pretending it's noteworthy.

OOOOOOOOOOOK.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 02:44 PM
In my youth I read Rolling Stone, went to concerts stoned, scored as many girls as I could and in general did what I wanted. Now I have matured. Point being that people change. What I thought to be true yesterday is today replaced with a different view. Example: I have always tossed away medicine that was outdated. Today a report says this is just a scam by drug companies. My view changed.

Sure, people change, but this is excessive, and on a variety of different subjects. You can't tell me Romney has actually changed his position that many times over the past year.

hanger4
10-09-2012, 03:00 PM
Sure, people change, but this is excessive, and on a variety of different subjects. You can't tell me Romney has actually changed his position that many times over the past year.

The whole OP is a farce Kizzume.

Soledad O'Brien claimed this on her news, from the May 17 2012 Romney speech she left off/out this beginning line;

"I'm torn by two perspectives in this regard. One is the one which I've had for some time which is that

the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace and that the -- and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish."

The DU conned y'all.

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 03:03 PM
Sure, people change, but this is excessive, and on a variety of different subjects. You can't tell me Romney has actually changed his position that many times over the past year.

One thing has never changed about Romney...he is American through and through, unlike the socialist wanta'be communist Obama.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 03:06 PM
One thing has never changed about Romney...he is American through and through, unlike the socialist wanta'be communist Obama.

Oh god, I hope you're being sarcastic. Yeay, extremism.

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 03:37 PM
Oh god, I hope you're being sarcastic. Yeay, extremism.

No sarcasm there. Romney is a capitalist, an American capitalist. Obama is a died-in-the-wool socialist who is too afraid to admit he embraces communism.

gamewell45
10-09-2012, 03:41 PM
... all you need to do is decide when. :grin:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/121009-another-day-another-speech-another-steaming-pile-of-romney-bs.jpg

Mitt Romney wouldn't recognize the truth if he tripped over it.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 03:44 PM
Oh god, I hope you're being sarcastic. Yeay, extremism.
Typical liberal ... any idea that is based on our founding documents and the restoration of our Constitutional Republic is labeled "extremist". Yet any attempt to transform the US into a Socialist Utopia is a "path to enlightenment".

Agravan
10-09-2012, 03:46 PM
Mitt Romney wouldn't recognize the truth if he tripped over it.

No, I think you meant to say barack hussein obama.... I understand your confusion since the discussion was about Mitt Romney... There ya go, now go take your meds like a good little liberal...

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 03:47 PM
Typical liberal ... any idea that is based on our founding documents and the restoration of our Constitutional Republic is labeled "extremist". Yet any attempt to transform the US into a Socialist Utopia is a "path to enlightenment".
People who point and say "look! Socialism!" everywhere they go are indeed extremists.

People who think that anyone who dares verge from the right are socialists are extremists.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 03:51 PM
People who point and say "look! Socialism!" everywhere they go are indeed extremists.

People who think that anyone who dares verge from the right are socialists are extremists.

People who point and say "look! Extremism!" everywhere they go are indeed extremists.

People who think that anyone who does not endorse socialists policies are extremists are the real extremists.

hanger4
10-09-2012, 03:55 PM
Mitt Romney wouldn't recognize the truth if he tripped over it.

This has been debunked gamewell45, try and keep up.

Mister D
10-09-2012, 03:58 PM
There really isn't anything "extreme" or "radical"on the American political scene right now. Our major political parties do not offer truly different ways of life. We have a free market and a welfare state neither of which are going anywhere. What differences exist between the GOP and the Dems are in the details.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 04:00 PM
People who point and say "look! Extremism!" everywhere they go are indeed extremists.

People who think that anyone who does not endorse socialists policies are extremists are the real extremists.

Do you like the roads you drive on? Police? Firefighters? Bridges? Utilities? Garbage collection? To be against all those things would take someone pretty extreme.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 04:09 PM
Do you like the roads you drive on? Police? Firefighters? Bridges? Utilities? Garbage collection? To be against all those things would take someone pretty extreme.

OK, so you're one of those that try to claim that infrastructure equals socialism. I've seen this before and it was stupid then as it's stupid now.
I have no problem paying taxes for roads, bridges, police, etc. What I do have a problem with is having my taxes taken away from my family in order to feed someone else's family because that person does not want to support their own family. I give to charity, I help poor folk, but that is MY decision, not the government's. Charity freely given is, indeed, charitable and good. Charity forced at gunpoint is nothing more than theft.
I also don't like the idea of having my money stolen from my paycheck in order to advance the current leftist policies in this country. I do not believe in abortion so I should not fund it as it goes against my religion. The same government, and people (liberals), that would never think of forcing a muslim to eat pork, have no qualms about forcing me to pay for something that goes against MY religious beliefs.

hanger4
10-09-2012, 04:14 PM
Do you like the roads you drive on? Police? Firefighters? Bridges? Utilities? Garbage collection? To be against all those things would take someone pretty extreme.

You forgot the military.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 04:18 PM
OK, so you're one of those that try to claim that infrastructure equals socialism. I've seen this before and it was stupid then as it's stupid now.
I have no problem paying taxes for roads, bridges, police, etc. What I do have a problem with is having my taxes taken away from my family in order to feed someone else's family because that person does not want to support their own family. I give to charity, I help poor folk, but that is MY decision, not the government's. Charity freely given is, indeed, charitable and good. Charity forced at gunpoint is nothing more than theft.
I also don't like the idea of having my money stolen from my paycheck in order to advance the current leftist policies in this country. I do not believe in abortion so I should not fund it as it goes against my religion. The same government, and people (liberals), that would never think of forcing a muslim to eat pork, have no qualms about forcing me to pay for something that goes against MY religious beliefs.

Indirectly paying for something isn't the same as DOING that said something. Nobody's forcing you or your family to get an abortion just as nobody's forcing anyone to eat pork. There could be subsidies to the pork industry--should Muslims be upset about that and scream "socialism!"?

Oh no! Schools teach evolution! That might go against your beliefs! It's so "socialist" to teach kids about evolution. :rolleyes:

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 04:19 PM
27 days left...look for the Left to become more and more frenzied as each day passes.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 04:21 PM
27 days left...look for the Left to become more and more frenzied as each day passes.

Sometimes it seems like some right wingers are just wringing their hands in hopes of putting so many people on the street and putting so many families in poverty. Oh, but they gave to chairty so it's all good.

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 04:24 PM
Sometimes it seems like some right wingers are just wringing their hands in hopes of putting so many people on the street and putting so many families in poverty. Oh, but they gave to chairty so it's all good.

Baseless claims are baseless. No one wants to put people on the street. That is leftist rhetoric.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 04:24 PM
Indirectly paying for something isn't the same as DOING that said something. Nobody's forcing you or your family to get an abortion just as nobody's forcing anyone to eat pork. There could be subsidies to the pork industry--should Muslims be upset about that and scream "socialism!"?

Oh no! Schools teach evolution! That might go against your beliefs! It's so "socialist" to teach kids about evolution. :rolleyes:

Using MY tax money to fund abortion is the same as forcing me to pay for it. Where do you think the government gets the money?
I have no problem with schools teaching evolution, but they should also teach the alternative. You would scream if they taught Intelligent Design instead of the Theory of evolution would you not? Yes you would.
Also, I don't claim everything is socialist, that's just you putting words in my mouth like all liberals do.
This is an example of your intolerance for other ideas, regardless of your signature. Other ideas do not automatically equal intolerance if they happen to disagree with yours.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 04:26 PM
Baseless claims are baseless. No one wants to put people on the street. That is leftist rhetoric.

Yet another example of the left's intolerance of ideas... we could do this all day. Every time a liberal opens their mouth.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 04:41 PM
Using MY tax money to fund abortion is the same as forcing me to pay for it. Where do you think the government gets the money?
I have no problem with schools teaching evolution, but they should also teach the alternative.

No, because the "alternative" is a religious belief.


You would scream if they taught Intelligent Design instead of the Theory of evolution would you not? Yes you would.

Yes, because religious teachings and concepts that literally have NO proof at all whatsoever behind them have no place in science class. Science is science. Religion is religion. If they want to OFFER a Bible as literature classes, they should have at it.



Also, I don't claim everything is socialist, that's just you putting words in my mouth like all liberals do.
This is an example of your intolerance for other ideas, regardless of your signature. Other ideas do not automatically equal intolerance if they happen to disagree with yours.
When people portray Obama as a Kenyan commie socialist Muslim, I'm not going to just simply "disagree" with it, I'm going to declare it as ridiculous, just as I think 9/11 conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

coolwalker
10-09-2012, 04:57 PM
When people portray Obama as a Kenyan commie socialist Muslim, I'm not going to just simply "disagree" with it, I'm going to declare it as ridiculous, just as I think 9/11 conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

Obama won't explain why everything about him is locked-up, never to be seen by anyone. What does he have to hide? If he has nothing to hide, then why spend the 2 million dollars on lawyers to hide information that wouldn't hurt him?

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 05:01 PM
Obama won't explain why everything about him is locked-up, never to be seen by anyone. What does he have to hide? If he has nothing to hide, then why spend the 2 million dollars on lawyers to hide information that wouldn't hurt him?
So that means he's a Kenyan commie socialist Muslim until there's an unimaginable amount of proof specifically stating otherwise? He has to relieve the superstitions of conspiracy theorists?

Agravan
10-09-2012, 06:02 PM
No, because the "alternative" is a religious belief.
Do you know that for sure? Is it any more a theory thsn evolution?



Yes, because religious teachings and concepts that literally have NO proof at all whatsoever behind them have no place in science class. Science is science. Religion is religion. If they want to OFFER a Bible as literature classes, they should have at it.
There is NO proof behind the theory of evolution either, IT'S A THEORY.
So you're saying that only the religious beliefs that the left believes in should be taught. right? Secularism is as must a religion to you people as Christianity is to us.



When people portray Obama as a Kenyan commie socialist Muslim, I'm not going to just simply "disagree" with it, I'm going to declare it as ridiculous, just as I think 9/11 conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

When someone like you takes everything obama says at face value, when you would not if he had been a Republican, I'm going to call you out on it as well. Why has he spent millions to keep his records hidden? What is he hiding?
We can disagree without you guys going nuts and screaming "birthers!", "liars" or "racist" at everyone whom you disagree with.

Deadwood
10-09-2012, 06:04 PM
... all you need to do is decide when. :grin:

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Sombody's verwy, verwy afwaid....


Oh, oh....Obama maybe?

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 06:08 PM
Do you know that for sure? Is it any more a theory thsn evolution?

There is NO proof behind the theory of evolution either, IT'S A THEORY.

There is at least SOME proof of it. There's a scientific method for it. There are only religious books to back up ID. There is no scientific method to back up ID.


So you're saying that only the religious beliefs that the left believes in should be taught. right? Secularism is as must a religion to you people as Christianity is to us.

No, I'm sorry, you're not going to twist reality or words around THAT much to claim that secularism or atheism is a religion. It's sad that you're so incapable of seeing things outside a religious prism--for you, everyone is religious.


When someone like you takes everything obama says at face value, when you would not if he had been a Republican, I'm going to call you out on it as well. Why has he spent millions to keep his records hidden? What is he hiding?
We can disagree without you guys going nuts and screaming "birthers!", "liars" or "racist" at everyone whom you disagree with.
I don't think he has anything to hide. I believe the lawyers are there because of conspiracy theorists. Also, I don't take everything he says at face value. He's pissed me off a number of times---particularly his recent thing of trying to get YouTube to block the anti-Islam video--he had no business doing that.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 06:10 PM
So that means he's a Kenyan commie socialist Muslim until there's an unimaginable amount of proof specifically stating otherwise? He has to relieve the superstitions of conspiracy theorists?

For at least 16 years he, himself, claimed to have been born in Kenya. Here's a question: was he lying to sell a book and get free tuition? or is he lying now?

Agravan
10-09-2012, 06:21 PM
There is at least SOME proof of it. There's a scientific method for it. There are only religious books to back up ID. There is no scientific method to back up ID.

No, I'm sorry, you're not going to twist reality or words around THAT much to claim that secularism or atheism is a religion. It's sad that you're so incapable of seeing things outside a religious prism--for you, everyone is religious.

I don't think he has anything to hide. I believe the lawyers are there because of conspiracy theorists. Also, I don't take everything he says at face value. He's pissed me off a number of times---particularly his recent thing of trying to get YouTube to block the anti-Islam video--he had no business doing that.

Sorry, but you guys treat secularism and atheism as more of a religion than any other religious nuts, with the exception of muslims. 9 times out of 10 religion is brought up by you guys. You just cannot control your hatred for anyone that does not practice your religion. I do not see things thru the lens of religion. I do acknowledge that it exists. Some are good, some are bad. Practice what you want but let us practice ours as well.
Enough about religion.

I actually believe in evolution as well, but not exclusively. Someone designed the evolutionary process and diversity of life. Believe what you will, I'll believe what I will, but BOTH theories should be taught for contrast.

As to your buddy obama... he couldn't even get the name of his hospital straight, his story about his early years has been found false, he won't release transcript, took 4 years to release a photoshopped (fake) BC, etc. This man is hiding info that would either land him in prson or prove he is not who he says he is.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 06:38 PM
Sorry, but you guys treat secularism and atheism as more of a religion than any other religious nuts, with the exception of muslims. 9 times out of 10 religion is brought up by you guys. You just cannot control your hatred for anyone that does not practice your religion.

I hate it when people use religious dogma to hate on others. That's what I fight against: Hateful judgmental religious dogma. Religious people bring up their religion when they use their religious dogma to guide their negative opinions on something.


I do not see things thru the lens of religion.

If you think atheism and secularism are religions, then yes, you DO see things through the lens of religion.


I do acknowledge that it exists. Some are good, some are bad. Practice what you want but let us practice ours as well.

I'm certainly not stopping you. Believe in whatever superstitions and hateful dogma that you want. Just don't expect me to give it as much weight as rational, logical and scientific arguments.


Enough about religion.

I actually believe in evolution as well, but not exclusively. Someone designed the evolutionary process and diversity of life. Believe what you will, I'll believe what I will, but BOTH theories should be taught for contrast.

No, if we're to teach unsubstantiated things with NO proof whatsoever, then we'll have to teach ALL the theories, including that aliens planted us here: I say we just cut all that crap out and only teach things that have at least some resemblance of proof.


As to your buddy obama... he couldn't even get the name of his hospital straight, his story about his early years has been found false, he won't release transcript, took 4 years to release a photoshopped (fake) BC, etc. This man is hiding info that would either land him in prson or prove he is not who he says he is.
Whatever, believe whatever conspiracy website you want, you're certainly free to.

Morningstar
10-09-2012, 07:19 PM
In this ever-changing world people change their minds. What...you don't allow for this? Careful now, you boy does the same thing.

Every 22 days?!?

Agravan
10-09-2012, 08:39 PM
I hate it when people use religious dogma to hate on others. That's what I fight against: Hateful judgmental religious dogma. Religious people bring up their religion when they use their religious dogma to guide their negative opinions on something.

If you think atheism and secularism are religions, then yes, you DO see things through the lens of religion.

I'm certainly not stopping you. Believe in whatever superstitions and hateful dogma that you want. Just don't expect me to give it as much weight as rational, logical and scientific arguments.

No, if we're to teach unsubstantiated things with NO proof whatsoever, then we'll have to teach ALL the theories, including that aliens planted us here: I say we just cut all that crap out and only teach things that have at least some resemblance of proof.
Whatever, believe whatever conspiracy website you want, you're certainly free to.

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5. the practice of religious (http://thepoliticalforums.com/browse/religious) beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Atheism and secularism match both of these definitions. Deny all you want, your atheism is as much dogmatic as you claim other religions are. And much more hateful.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 09:27 PM
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2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

Secularism does not do this, and atheism DEFINITELY does NOT do this--all atheism means is a lack of belief in a god--most of us are atheists as far as other gods go, atheists just take it one God further. That's it. It doesn't mean ANYTHING else. There are atheists who believe in superstitions, there are right wing atheists and there are left wing atheists.


3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

Nope, secularism and especially atheism don't fit that. Secularism tries to find the morals we CAN agree with--things like murder, rape, you know, really bad stuff--without any dogma that only comes from religion.


4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious (http://thepoliticalforums.com/browse/religious) beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Atheism and secularism match both of these definitions. Deny all you want, your atheism is as much dogmatic as you claim other religions are. And much more hateful.

No, they don't.

Agravan
10-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Secularism does not do this, and atheism DEFINITELY does NOT do this--all atheism means is a lack of belief in a god--most of us are atheists as far as other gods go, atheists just take it one God further. That's it. It doesn't mean ANYTHING else. There are atheists who believe in superstitions, there are right wing atheists and there are left wing atheists.

Nope, secularism and especially atheism don't fit that. Secularism tries to find the morals we CAN agree with--things like murder, rape, you know, really bad stuff--without any dogma that only comes from religion.


No, they don't.
Deny all you want, I have met atheists that proseletyze more than any preacher I've ever met. Most of the atheists I've met are more radical about their religion than any churchgoer I've met. Hell, put a cross on them or have them grow a beard and they would be evangelicals or muslims.

Kizzume
10-09-2012, 09:48 PM
Deny all you want, I have met atheists that proselytize more than any preacher I've ever met. Most of the atheists I've met are more radical about their religion than any churchgoer I've met. Hell, put a cross on them or have them grow a beard and they would be evangelicals or muslims.
So tell me, what do they proselytize? What do they preach?

Ivan88
10-10-2012, 10:55 AM
So out of context Cigar.

Soledad O'Brien claimed this on her news, from the May 17 2012 Romney speech she left off/out this beginning line;

"I'm torn by two perspectives in this regard. One is the one which I've had for some time which is that


the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace and that the -- and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish."

Good catch. Do you agree with his summary of the Christian Israel people that we call Palestinians?
692

hanger4
10-10-2012, 11:02 AM
Good catch. Do you agree with his summary of the Christian Israel people that we call Palestinians?
692

Not sure I understand your question.

I will say there is no palestinian people, never has been.

Agravan
10-10-2012, 11:19 AM
So tell me, what do they proselytize? What do they preach?

Their hatred of any who believe in God and their strong belief that there is no God.
Just as in a regular religion, it's all about faith. One believes in God, the other believes there is no God. I see proof of God all around us. You see nature. But God is nature.
You say there's no proof of the existence of God, I say prove he does not exist.
I believe in a higher being, you believe in man.

Cigar
10-10-2012, 11:31 AM
Deny all you want, I have met atheists that proseletyze more than any preacher I've ever met. Most of the atheists I've met are more radical about their religion than any churchgoer I've met. Hell, put a cross on them or have them grow a beard and they would be evangelicals or muslims.

What Religion would that be?

Agravan
10-10-2012, 11:40 AM
What Religion would that be?

Atheism

Cigar
10-10-2012, 11:43 AM
Atheism

Read Some Time: http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/AtheismReligion.htm

gamewell45
10-17-2012, 03:33 PM
No, I think you meant to say barack hussein obama.... I understand your confusion since the discussion was about Mitt Romney... There ya go, now go take your meds like a good little liberal...

Do you normally attempt to insult people with whom you disagree with?

Kizzume
10-17-2012, 03:51 PM
Their hatred of any who believe in God and their strong belief that there is no God.

It's a lack of belief in a god, just as people lack belief in fairies and Santa Claus, it's not a "strong belief". People who lack a belief in something need proof to believe it exists.

In fact, most people are atheists about most gods--"atheists" just take it one god further.


Just as in a regular religion, it's all about faith.

It doesn't take faith NOT to believe in something. Logic fail, sorry.


One believes in God, the other believes there is no God. I see proof of God all around us. You see nature. But God is nature.
You say there's no proof of the existence of God, I say prove he does not exist.

There's no proof for garden fairies either, it's not up to me to prove they don't exist, it's up to someone who believes in them to prove they exist, so why should YOUR GOD be given special exceptions? "Just because" I suppose?


I believe in a higher being, you believe in man.
I'm agnostic, I'm not an atheist--however, my view of a possible god is not the one of the Bible.

head of joaquin
10-17-2012, 03:54 PM
In this ever-changing world people change their minds. What...you don't allow for this? Careful now, you boy does the same thing.
Because Romney makes it up as he goes along.