Michael Moore Says Trump ‘Won’ The Debate

[Common]

Well since Azjim brought out his big gun Jerry Springer, Im bringing out my big gun in response <grin>

Michael Moore appeared frustrated on Twitter following the presidential debate, saying Trump “won,” and “we all lost.”
The 62-year-old film maker warned “pro-Hillary gloaters” against celebrating over how Hillary Clinton did in the debate against the Republican presidential nominee and insisted nothing she did changed things.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/michael-moore-says-trump-won-the-debate/

[Peter1469]

I fell asleep early, so I didn't see much of it. I do remember Lester chastising the crowd for cheering Trump. Did the crowd ever cheer Hillary?

I don't know that I will bother reading the "news" about the debate. She could have fallen onto her face that the "media" would say that she won hands down.

[Mark III]

LOL. I read all of Moore's tweets at the link. He is complaining that Clinton didn't beat him down badly enough. Maybe Moore is a sadist.

He is saying Trump "won" as a ploy to encourage Democrats to stay on the attack.

[FindersKeepers]

I didn't see the debate but this morning I see various "he won" and "she won" pieces all over the net.

In a few days the polls will likely tell us who actually won.

[Mac-7]

The guy who writes "Dilbert" is a flaming liberal and he says trump is winning the election

[FindersKeepers]

LOL. I read all of Moore's tweets at the link. He is complaining that Clinton didn't beat him down badly enough. Maybe Moore is a sadist.

He is saying Trump "won" as a ploy to encourage Democrats to stay on the attack.



You're partially right, but MM's tweets indicated that he thought Hillary didn't do enough to "win" the debate. He was clear about that.

Of course he'd like the dems to keep up their attacks -- as I'm sure they will.

[Mac-7]

Whoever accepts the liberal news media spin as fact will be convinced that hillary won.

but people who think for themselves will see it differently

[IMPress Polly]

Unlike others here, I have data on who the viewing audience felt was the victor. Check it out (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-poll/).

Bottom line: 62% said Clinton "won", versus 27% who said they believe Trump fared better. Though the poll did interestingly skew Democratic because an unusually large number of Democratic voters tuned in, even among independents, the breakdown was that 54% felt Clinton won, versus 33% who felt Trump was the victor, so it doesn't look to have been particularly close in the eyes of most voters.

This bears out the accuracy of my prediction made a couple weeks ago (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/67366-270-To-Win-Predicting-the-2016-Outcome?p=1720560#post1720560). I suspect the next wave of formal polling will do so as well.

[Truth Detector]

Unlike others here, I have data on who the viewing audience felt was the victor. Check it out (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-poll/).

Bottom line: 62% said Clinton "won", versus 27% who said they believe Trump fared better. Though the poll did interestingly skew Democratic because an unusually large number of Democratic voters tuned in, even among independents, the breakdown was that 54% felt Clinton won, versus 33% who felt Trump was the victor.

Funniest BS I have seen on the debate so far: Hillary Clinton was deemed the winner of Monday night's debate by 62% of voters who tuned in to watch, while just 27% said they thought Donald Trump had the better night.

Yep, in CNN land, loony liberal land, it was a smashing success for the Shrillery.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

[IMPress Polly]

Hahahaha, data...facts...how ridiculous that one would take such things seriously! :rollseyes:

[midcan5]

I thought the open format showed just how empty Trump is. He is a windbag plain and simple. Americans on the right have grow so dumb that when Hilliary talks substantively about issues that's not a plus but a negative. One must speak in slogans for the right to understand, any conversation above 'printable on a hat level' is criticized. The other week 'The Daily Show' interviewed Trump supporters at his rally. If you want to fear for your nation, listen to these people. (Google it, I'm tired of trying to educate the uneducatable.)


"About midway through their first debate, Hillary Clinton said of Donald Trump: “I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And, yes, I did. And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president. And I think that’s a good thing.”


It was one of her best moments, an understated swipe at Trump’s evident lack of preparation for the responsibilities of the Oval Office, and it got to the heart of their often disjointed exchanges: Clinton was measured and assured, if a little too much of a policy wonk at times, while Trump was as erratic and peevish as he has been since the beginning of his campaign."


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/opinion/clintons-victory-without-breakthrough.html

[Common]

I fell asleep early, so I didn't see much of it. I do remember Lester chastising the crowd for cheering Trump. Did the crowd ever cheer Hillary?

I don't know that I will bother reading the "news" about the debate. She could have fallen onto her face that the "media" would say that she won hands down.

Yup, didnt watch it, wont read about it. I knew what the media was going to say last week

[Truth Detector]

I thought the open format showed just how empty Trump is. He is a windbag plain and simple. Americans on the right have grow so dumb that when Hilliary talks substantively about issues that's not a plus but a negative. One must speak in slogans for the right to understand, any conversation above 'printable on a hat level' is criticized. The other week 'The Daily Show' interviewed Trump supporters at his rally. If you want to fear for your nation, listen to these people. (Google it, I'm tired of trying to educate the uneducatable.)

"About midway through their first debate, Hillary Clinton said of Donald Trump: “I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And, yes, I did. And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president. And I think that’s a good thing.”

It was one of her best moments, an understated swipe at Trump’s evident lack of preparation for the responsibilities of the Oval Office, and it got to the heart of their often disjointed exchanges: Clinton was measured and assured, if a little too much of a policy wonk at times, while Trump was as erratic and peevish as he has been since the beginning of his campaign."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/opinion/clintons-victory-without-breakthrough.html

Nothing more ironic than a Hitlery supporter whining about liars and windbags.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

[Truth Detector]

Hahahaha, data...facts...how ridiculous that one would take such things seriously! :rollseyes:

You're full of comedy today; you think CNN's reporting on this election is about facts?

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh4_zpsc67b11be.gif

[Common]

LOL. I read all of Moore's tweets at the link. He is complaining that Clinton didn't beat him down badly enough. Maybe Moore is a sadist.

He is saying Trump "won" as a ploy to encourage Democrats to stay on the attack.

CNBC poll has trump winning 65 to 35. Time Poll has him winning 56 to 44 both liberal polls

[Common]

Unlike others here, I have data on who the viewing audience felt was the victor. Check it out (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-poll/).

Bottom line: 62% said Clinton "won", versus 27% who said they believe Trump fared better. Though the poll did interestingly skew Democratic because an unusually large number of Democratic voters tuned in, even among independents, the breakdown was that 54% felt Clinton won, versus 33% who felt Trump was the victor, so it doesn't look to have been particularly close in the eyes of most voters.

This bears out the accuracy of my prediction made a couple weeks ago (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/67366-270-To-Win-Predicting-the-2016-Outcome?p=1720560#post1720560). I suspect the next wave of formal polling will do so as well.

Polly you have data ? lol Cnn ran the poll, lester holt their moderator was hillarys assistant and you want to post a CNN poll as fact ?

Time Poll which is liberal

http://time.com/4506217/presidential-debate-clinton-trump-survey/

CNBC POLL I dont know what that is to be honest.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html

[Common]

I think its hilarious that I posted this as a JOKE to azjims ridiculous post that Jerry Springer says clinton should be president. JERRY SPRINGER lmao.

I posted this as a joke and some want to take it seriously.

[FindersKeepers]

Unlike others here, I have data on who the viewing audience felt was the victor. Check it out (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-poll/).

Bottom line: 62% said Clinton "won", versus 27% who said they believe Trump fared better. Though the poll did interestingly skew Democratic because an unusually large number of Democratic voters tuned in, even among independents, the breakdown was that 54% felt Clinton won, versus 33% who felt Trump was the victor, so it doesn't look to have been particularly close in the eyes of most voters.

This bears out the accuracy of my prediction made a couple weeks ago (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/67366-270-To-Win-Predicting-the-2016-Outcome?p=1720560#post1720560). I suspect the next wave of formal polling will do so as well.

Viewer polls are always screwy, we'll just have to wait to see what the ranking polls do.

In CNN's viewer poll, for example, the one you cite -- 41% polled were democrats and only 26% were GOP. That skews the national average because there aren't that many more registered democrats as republicans.

To show flip side of the issue -- Drudge is also conducting a viewer poll. Currently, this is the result, which is why viewer polls are always a bit screwy.

16241

[exotix]

RWNJ's like Michael Moore ... LOL

[Common Sense]

It wasn't even so much that Clinton won (she did), but it was that Donald beat himself.

But Moore may be right in that it's far too early to celebrate. Clinton has to repeat this two more times and the effect may be negligible. Hopefully she's able to pull in some undecideds.

[Mac-7]

I thought the open format showed just how empty Trump is. He is a windbag plain and simple. Americans on the right have grow so dumb that when Hilliary talks substantively about issues that's not a plus but a negative.


(http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/opinion/clintons-victory-without-breakthrough.html)

If you look at the lofty promises made by obama and hillary during the last two presidential campaigns and compare them to the actual results that is where you find liberal windbaggery at its finest.

Hillary does talk a good game just as obama did

but the reality is that she is an incompetent fool with nothing good to show for all her years in politics

[Common]

Viewer polls are always screwy, we'll just have to wait to see what the ranking polls do.

In CNN's viewer poll, for example, the one you cite -- 41% polled were democrats and only 26% were GOP. That skews the national average because there aren't that many more registered democrats as republicans.

To show flip side of the issue -- Drudge is also conducting a viewer poll. Currently, this is the result, which is why viewer polls are always a bit screwy.

16241

Thats worthless and so are most of the rest of them

[Cigar]

LOL. I read all of Moore's tweets at the link. He is complaining that Clinton didn't beat him down badly enough. Maybe Moore is a sadist.

He is saying Trump "won" as a ploy to encourage Democrats to stay on the attack.

Let them believe they're Winning ... it's really ok, actually, denial is quite typical.

[exploited]

Michael Moore would do the world a favour by shutting up. In that sense, he and Donald are the same.

[Bethere]

Viewer polls are always screwy, we'll just have to wait to see what the ranking polls do.

In CNN's viewer poll, for example, the one you cite -- 41% polled were democrats and only 26% were GOP. That skews the national average because there aren't that many more registered democrats as republicans.

To show flip side of the issue -- Drudge is also conducting a viewer poll. Currently, this is the result, which is why viewer polls are always a bit screwy.

16241

The drudge poll isn't a poll. Instead of random sampling the participants self-selected.

Good times.

Cnn's poll isn't great either, but it was a randomly selected panel.

[Adelaide]

Michael Moore and Bill Maher are the Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck of the left. Fine for entertainment, not so much for serious analysis.

[Bo-4]

Obviously you don't get it.

He's trying to scare Dems and warn about overconfidence.

Hilly and her camp are TERRIBLE when she's in the lead.

Best everyone tell themselves Trump won even though he was Thumped.

[Bo-4]

Michael Moore would do the world a favour by shutting up. In that sense, he and Donald are the same.

Gotta agree - blowhards of a feather ;-)

[nic34]

Yup, didnt watch it, wont read about it. I knew what the media was going to say last week

Yet you cite Michael Moore about something you never watched?

[Green Arrow]

They both lost. We all lost.

[Cigar]

They both lost. We all lost.

http://media.cagle.com/61/2016/09/26/185249_600.jpg

[MisterVeritis]

I fell asleep early, so I didn't see much of it. I do remember Lester chastising the crowd for cheering Trump. Did the crowd ever cheer Hillary?

I don't know that I will bother reading the "news" about the debate. She could have fallen onto her face that the "media" would say that she won hands down.
I would not bother. Trump was trounced. It was the worst performance I can remember seeing since watching Romney beat the hell out of Obama last time around. Trump was not prepared. He failed to deliver any serious blows. He failed to dismiss the nonsense and move back to the essentials.

I don't follow sports but I understand there are some teams out there who perform as poorly as Trump did.

[FindersKeepers]

The drudge poll isn't a poll. Instead of random sampling the participants self-selected.

Good times.

Cnn's poll isn't great either, but it was a randomly selected panel.



Bottom line -- viewer polls are screwy.

Like Jimmy Fallon said -- they debated but not one viewer changed his or her mind.

[Don]

Some online polling I googled right after the debate...

Who won this one?

Time magazine online:
Clinton 41%
Trump 59%

Fortune:
Clinton 49%
Trump 51%

Drudge:
Clinton 19%
Trump 81%

Breitbart:
Clinton 24%
Trump 74%

CNBC:
Clinton 40%
Trump 60%

Hollywood Gossip:
Clinton 37%
Trump 63%

The Hill:
Clinton 36%
Trump 59%

The Atlanta Patch:
Clinton 15%
Trump 85%

New Jersey.com:
Clinton 39%
Trump 56%

[exploited]

Let the pollsters do real polls first.

[Mini Me]

Whoever accepts the liberal news media spin as fact will be convinced that hillary won.

but people who think for themselves will see it differently

I see. The whole army is out of step except you!:sign5:

[Bo-4]

The online polls looked the same after every debate between Romney and Obama.

Drudge?

LoL

[Subdermal]

Let them believe they're Winning ... it's really ok, actually, denial is quite typical.

You mean like how you deny that Clinton is bloviating about doing the same crap Obama claimed he'd accomplish, and didn't?

Broken record, exactly as Trump said: 30 years of claiming the same things, with the only result being that Hillary got rich.

And if she's going to claim that it's legit to see who 'owns' Trump - as a justification to see his tax returns - then we can surely see her speech transcripts, which were bought and paid for by Wall Street.

Bought and paid for indeed.

[Bo-4]

Let the pollsters do real polls first.

Early indicators look pretty good for HRC:



A poll of debate watchers (https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/780611403702996993?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) by CNN/ORC, which found that 62 percent thought Clinton won and 27 percent thought Trump did. CNN’s David Chalian emphasized on air that the sample was 10 points more Democratic than in a typical poll, but that’s still a strong win for Clinton.
A poll of debate watchers by Public Policy Polling (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_PostDebatePoll_92616.pdf), which found that 51 percent thought Clinton won and 40 percent thought Trump won.
A focus group (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/780609158907301889) of 20 undecided Florida voters by CNN found that 18 of them thought Clinton won.
And a focus group of Pennsylvania voters (https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/780598663978418176) by GOP pollster Frank Luntz overwhelmingly thought Clinton had won. Libby Nelson has more details about that here (http://www.vox.com/2016/9/27/13068690/clinton-trump-debate-winner-focus-group).

[MisterVeritis]

Early indicators look pretty good for HRC:


A poll of debate watchers (https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/780611403702996993?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^new s|twgr^tweet) by CNN/ORC, which found that 62 percent thought Clinton won and 27 percent thought Trump did. CNN’s David Chalian emphasized on air that the sample was 10 points more Democratic than in a typical poll, but that’s still a strong win for Clinton.
A poll of debate watchers by Public Policy Polling (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_PostDebatePoll_92616.pdf), which found that 51 percent thought Clinton won and 40 percent thought Trump won.
A focus group (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/780609158907301889) of 20 undecided Florida voters by CNN found that 18 of them thought Clinton won.
And a focus group of Pennsylvania voters (https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/780598663978418176) by GOP pollster Frank Luntz overwhelmingly thought Clinton had won. Libby Nelson has more details about that here (http://www.vox.com/2016/9/27/13068690/clinton-trump-debate-winner-focus-group).

I would not have thought it but the people seem to be moving in Trump's direction. Let's see in a couple of days.

[Bo-4]

I would not have thought it but the people seem to be moving in Trump's direction. Let's see in a couple of days.

Debates never move decided voters in either direction. It's the 10% or so who aren't decided they're about.

Minimally, Hillary picks up 70% of those who watched last night.

Trump performs as badly in the next two - he's done.

[MisterVeritis]

Debates never move decided voters in either direction. It's the 10% or so who aren't decided they're about.

Minimally, Hillary picks up 70% of those who watched last night.

Trump performs as badly in the next two - he's done.
Your numbers are all wrong.

But we will know more in two or three days.

[Green Arrow]

You mean like how you deny that Clinton is bloviating about doing the same crap Obama claimed he'd accomplish, and didn't?

Broken record, exactly as Trump said: 30 years of claiming the same things, with the only result being that Hillary got rich.

And if she's going to claim that it's legit to see who 'owns' Trump - as a justification to see his tax returns - then we can surely see her speech transcripts, which were bought and paid for by Wall Street.

Bought and paid for indeed.

I thought it was a serious blunder for him to try using the 30k deleted emails as a trade for his tax returns instead of the speech transcripts. He could have turned that argument right back on her.