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Archer0915
09-27-2016, 07:38 AM
http://www.industryweek.com/governance-risk-compliance/nam-study-puts-81-billion-price-tag-new-labor-rules


The study from the pro-business National Association for Manufacturers estimates that more than 150,000 workers stand to lose their jobs from new labor regulations, with additional jobs changing from full- to part-time...

...Labor regulations implemented during the Obama administration could cost an estimated $81 billion over the next ten years and require more than 400 million hours in paperwork, according to a just-released study (http://www.nam.org/Data-and-Reports/Reports/Labor-Market-Regulations/The-Aggregate-Economic-Cost-of-New-Labor-Market-Regulations/) from the National Association of Manufacturers’ Center for Manufacturing Research.

Full study:
http://www.nam.org/Data-and-Reports/Reports/Labor-Market-Regulations/LaborMarketRegulations-study/

nathanbforrest45
09-27-2016, 01:20 PM
Even worse are the regulations in the state of California. They have placed such onerous restrictions on trucks many trucking companies are refusing to pick up and deliver in California. This is resulting in higher freight cost and the loss of transportation related jobs.

Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged was deemed to be a kook because of what she wrote would happen with increased government regulations. So far every one of her predictions are coming true.

Peter1469
09-27-2016, 04:49 PM
A lot of the regulations are nothing more favors to big business seeking to crowd out their smaller competition..

Dangermouse
09-27-2016, 06:31 PM
Ask Trump to actually name a regulation that's "anti-business" and he couldn't

MisterVeritis
09-27-2016, 06:34 PM
Ask Trump to actually name a regulation that's "anti-business" and he couldn't
All or nearly all of the EPA regulations pumped out over the last five years are anti-business.
All or nearly all of the Obamacare implementing regulations are anti-business.

Archer0915
09-27-2016, 07:14 PM
Ask Trump to actually name a regulation that's "anti-business" and he couldn't

Past, present and future tense, learn them. Hey we all have spelling errors from time to time but...

http://www.talkenglish.com/grammar/simple-tense.aspx

Are you saying he was asked, is being asked or should asked in the future or are you saying he was asked and could not answer?

Tahuyaman
09-27-2016, 07:29 PM
Of course government regulations place obstacles in the way of jobs creation. That's the purpose of modern government.

gamewell45
09-27-2016, 07:52 PM
http://www.industryweek.com/governance-risk-compliance/nam-study-puts-81-billion-price-tag-new-labor-rules



Full study:
http://www.nam.org/Data-and-Reports/Reports/Labor-Market-Regulations/LaborMarketRegulations-study/

You know of course that any report that comes with the blessing of the National Association of Manufacturers is going to be in their favor. So you really have to take the report with a grain of salt.

Archer0915
09-27-2016, 11:28 PM
You know of course that any report that comes with the blessing of the National Association of Manufacturers is going to be in their favor. So you really have to take the report with a grain of salt.

Ignore the conclusions and just look at the data.

gamewell45
09-27-2016, 11:48 PM
Ignore the conclusions and just look at the data.

Always look at the source first before anything else. That being said, reading the report one finds that due to regulations and the addition of new regulations is going to cost businesses over a billion dollars annually which could translate into job loss, higher costs being passed on to the federal government, etc.

The regulations are there for a purpose; OSHA was created because it was felt that employees have a right to work in a safe workplace; NLRB was created among other reasons because it was felt that employees had a right to have rights in the work place and to be able to collectively bargain for their terms and conditions of employment. The EEO was created because businesses in this country discriminated against minorities seeking employment and it was felt that this was wrong.

The long and short of it is that if employers had always provided a safe working environment for their employees OSHA wouldn't exist today; if companies treated their employees fairly and paid them a living wage, you wouldn't have the NLRB; if employers didn't discriminate against minorities seeking employment, you wouldn't have the EEO. Businesses for the most part have brought all of this upon themselves and now have to put up with it year after year and it isn't going to go away either.

Peter1469
09-28-2016, 05:08 AM
Ask Trump to actually name a regulation that's "anti-business" and he couldn't

A $15 dollar minimum wage outside of the mega cities.

FindersKeepers
09-28-2016, 06:07 AM
A lot of the regulations are nothing more favors to big business seeking to crowd out their smaller competition..

So true.

We were building in the Lake Tahoe area just before the housing bubble burst and one of the requirements was that all new houses have "earthquake ties." On the surface, that doesn't sound like such a bad idea, but then they went further and specified a brand of tie -- Simpson Ties. Keep in mind that these ties are nothing more than metal straps that connect foundations to framing or framing to framing. Nothing more than straps and plates, sometimes brackets with screw holes. But, they insisted on ONE manufacturer - Simpson. All contractors had to purchase and install those specific ties, and Simpson jacked the price accordingly. Just the ties could add 5K to 7K to a home. Crony capitalism at its best. Or worst. And engineers repeatedly questioned the integrity of the ties because multiple screws inserted in the framing compromised the wood in those spots, making it a toss-up as to whether the ties were really serving a purpose.

The real beneficiaries were not the homeowners.

Truth Detector
09-28-2016, 06:08 AM
Ask Trump to actually name a regulation that's "anti-business" and he couldn't

I think you are confusing Trump with low information brain dead liberals.

Archer0915
09-28-2016, 06:35 AM
Always look at the source first before anything else. That being said, reading the report one finds that due to regulations and the addition of new regulations is going to cost businesses over a billion dollars annually which could translate into job loss, higher costs being passed on to the federal government, etc.

The regulations are there for a purpose; OSHA was created because it was felt that employees have a right to work in a safe workplace; NLRB was created among other reasons because it was felt that employees had a right to have rights in the work place and to be able to collectively bargain for their terms and conditions of employment. The EEO was created because businesses in this country discriminated against minorities seeking employment and it was felt that this was wrong.

The long and short of it is that if employers had always provided a safe working environment for their employees OSHA wouldn't exist today; if companies treated their employees fairly and paid them a living wage, you wouldn't have the NLRB; if employers didn't discriminate against minorities seeking employment, you wouldn't have the EEO. Businesses for the most part have brought all of this upon themselves and now have to put up with it year after year and it isn't going to go away either.

Sorry but our court system is a big issue, it needs reform but these regulations cost money because...

Hell let us look at the EEOC. Companies do not hire the best person for the job because they do not want to deal with legal challenges.

OSHA and workers comp? Hey we do need regulations but the fact is, we need people to actually hold people accountable for being stupid! Simply put, most people get hurt and killed because of their own damn stupidity.

There is so much.

A damn living wage? Total bullshit!

nathanbforrest45
09-28-2016, 07:59 AM
A lot of the regulations are nothing more favors to big business seeking to crowd out their smaller competition..
All of the regulations are designed to favor one industry over another. Many regulations are designed to simply drive a smaller company out of business whereas a large corporation could absorb the increased cost.

nathanbforrest45
09-28-2016, 08:02 AM
Always look at the source first before anything else. That being said, reading the report one finds that due to regulations and the addition of new regulations is going to cost businesses over a billion dollars annually which could translate into job loss, higher costs being passed on to the federal government, etc.

The regulations are there for a purpose; OSHA was created because it was felt that employees have a right to work in a safe workplace; NLRB was created among other reasons because it was felt that employees had a right to have rights in the work place and to be able to collectively bargain for their terms and conditions of employment. The EEO was created because businesses in this country discriminated against minorities seeking employment and it was felt that this was wrong.

The long and short of it is that if employers had always provided a safe working environment for their employees OSHA wouldn't exist today; if companies treated their employees fairly and paid them a living wage, you wouldn't have the NLRB; if employers didn't discriminate against minorities seeking employment, you wouldn't have the EEO. Businesses for the most part have brought all of this upon themselves and now have to put up with it year after year and it isn't going to go away either.


All regulations are cloaked in the language of being "for the people" but in actuality they benefit the large company over the smaller and do exactly the opposite of what left wingers claim they are searching for. Are they stupid or devious? You decide.