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Ethereal
09-30-2016, 04:32 PM
How the US Armed-up Syrian Jihadists (https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/29/how-the-us-armed-up-syrian-jihadists/)

The West blames Russia for the bloody mess in Syria, but U.S. Special Forces saw close up how the chaotic U.S. policy of aiding Syrian jihadists enabled Al Qaeda and ISIS to rip Syria apart, explains ex-British diplomat Alastair Crooke.

By Alastair Crooke

“No one on the ground believes in this mission or this effort”, a former Green Beret writes of America’s covert and clandestine programs to train and arm Syrian insurgents, “they know we are just training the next generation of jihadis, so they are sabotaging it by saying, ‘Fuck it, who cares?’”. “I don’t want to be responsible for Nusra guys saying they were trained by Americans,” the Green Beret added.

In a detailed report, US Special Forces Sabotage White House Policy gone Disastrously Wrong with Covert Ops in Syria, Jack Murphy, himself a former Green Beret (U.S. Special Forces), recounts a former CIA officer having told him how the “the Syria covert action program is [CIA Director John] Brennan’s baby …Brennan was the one who breathed life into the Syrian Task Force … John Brennan loved that regime-change bullshit.”

In gist, Murphy tells the story of U.S. Special Forces under one Presidential authority, arming Syrian anti-ISIS forces, whilst the CIA, obsessed with overthrowing President Bashar al-Assad, and operating under a separate Presidential authority, conducts a separate and parallel program to arm anti-Assad insurgents.

Murphy’s report makes clear the CIA disdain for combatting ISIS (though this altered somewhat with the beheading of American journalist James Foley in August 2014): “With the CIA wanting little to do with anti-ISIS operations as they are focused on bringing down the Assad regime, the agency kicked the can over to 5th Special Forces Group. Basing themselves out of Jordan and Turkey” — operating under “military activities” authority, rather than under the CIA’s coveted Title 50 covert action authority.

The “untold story,” Murphy writes, is one of abuse, as well as bureaucratic infighting, which has only contributed to perpetuating the Syrian conflict.

But it is not the “turf wars,” nor the “abuse and waste,” which occupies the central part of Murphy’s long report, that truly matters; nor even the contradictory and self-defeating nature of U.S. objectives pursued. Rather, the report tells us quite plainly why the attempted ceasefires have failed (although this is not explicitly treated in the analysis), and it helps explain why parts of the U.S. Administration (Defense Secretary Ashton Carter and CIA Director Brenner) have declined to comply with President Obama’s will – as expressed in the diplomatic accord (the recent ceasefire) reached with the Russian Federation.

The story is much worse than that hinted in Murphy’s title: it underlies the present mess which constitutes relations between the U.S. and Russia, and the collapse of the ceasefire.

“The FSA [the alleged “moderates” of the Free Syria Army] made for a viable partner force for the CIA on the surface, as they were anti-regime, ostensibly having the same goal as the seventh floor at Langley” [the floor of the CIA headquarters occupied by the Director and his staff] – i.e. the ousting of President Assad.

But in practice, as Murphy states bluntly: “distinguishing between the FSA and al-Nusra is impossible, because they are virtually the same organization. As early as 2013, FSA commanders were defecting with their entire units to join al-Nusra. There, they still retain the FSA monicker, but it is merely for show, to give the appearance of secularism so they can maintain access to weaponry provided by the CIA and Saudi intelligence services. The reality is that the FSA is little more than a cover for the al-Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra. …

Former British diplomat, Alastair Crooke, examines a blockbuster report (https://sofrep.com/63764/us-special-forces-sabotage-white-house-policy-gone-disastrously-wrong-with-covert-ops-in-syria/) from the American Special Forces community that describes how the CIA is helping AQ in Syria.

This is what lots of academics and journalists have been saying for a long time now, but it's nice to have it confirmed by our Special Forces people who are actually on the ground observing this firsthand.

No doubt, Clinton will send even more money and arms to AQ in Syria if she gets the chance. She has publicly stated her desire to topple Syria's secular government and to escalate our involvement there.

Ethereal
09-30-2016, 04:52 PM
There are several quotes from Green Berets stating that the CIA is supporting AQ in Syria. Not sure how much more evidence is needed at this point.

Ethereal
09-30-2016, 05:04 PM
David Petraeus' bright idea: give terrorists weapons to beat terrorists (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/02/david-petraeus-bright-idea-give-terrorists-weapons-to-beat-isis)

Trevor Timm

Former CIA director David Petraeus is advocating giving arms to members of al-Nusra Front, an al-Qaida off-shoot, to beat Isis. That is madness

he latest brilliant plan to curtail Isis in the Middle East? Give more weapons to current members of al-Qaida. The Daily Beast reported that former CIA director David Petraeus, still somehow entrenched in the DC Beltway power circles despite leaking highly classified secrets, is now advocating arming members of the al-Nusra Front in Syria, an offshoot of al-Qaida and a designated terrorist organization. Could there be a more dangerous and crazy idea?

Petraeus was forced to respond on Tuesday, the day after his article provoked a firestorm, telling CNN’s Jake Tapper that he doesn’t want to arm al-Nusra itself, just “some individual fighters, and perhaps some elements, within Nusra”. He thinks the US could somehow “peel off” these fighters and convince to join the much weaker rebel army that al-Nusra recently decimated. Oh okay, then. He’s in favor of arming only the “moderate” members of al-Qaida: that sounds so much better.

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What is it going to take for westerners to admit that the CIA is helping AQ? Apparently, the former director of the CIA publicly stating his desire to do just that was not enough.

Now we have numerous firsthand accounts from Green Berets stating unequivocally that it is happening.

When will this go from being a conspiracy theory to a conspiracy fact?

Common Sense
09-30-2016, 05:09 PM
I agree that it is a dangerous game using the enemy or your enemy to defeat your enemy. It was a mistake when they did it in Afghanistan in the 80's and it's a mistake now. That being said, it's a very complex conflict. The initial effort was to arm the secular FSA, but with so many splinter groups it because a real mess.

If I agree with any criticism of Clinton, it's her neocon tendencies to try to fix these conflicts. I believe their intentions are good, but the consequences might not be.

Peter1469
09-30-2016, 05:10 PM
That is what the CIA was doing in Benghazi. They were scooping up Libyan weapons and sending them to the jihadists in Syria. The CIA and the Neocons are so stupid as to think that was a good idea.

FindersKeepers
09-30-2016, 06:29 PM
There are several quotes from Green Berets stating that the CIA is supporting AQ in Syria. Not sure how much more evidence is needed at this point.


Will we never learn our lesson?

Obama's been funding that insurgency from the get-go. Look at all the blood on his hands. This is a guy who was prematurely awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, who then created chaos in the Middle East.

He admits Libya was his biggest mistake so why is doing it all over again?

Unbelievable.

Green Arrow
09-30-2016, 06:35 PM
Yep, it's a clusterfuck for sure.

Peter1469
09-30-2016, 07:10 PM
If Hillary wins, which nation will she destroy next?

Green Arrow
09-30-2016, 08:43 PM
If Hillary wins, which nation will she destroy next?

Russia.

Peter1469
09-30-2016, 09:15 PM
Russia.

That will lead to nuclear winter. Are you prepared?

Ethereal
10-01-2016, 03:27 AM
Will we never learn our lesson?

Obama's been funding that insurgency from the get-go. Look at all the blood on his hands. This is a guy who was prematurely awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, who then created chaos in the Middle East.

He admits Libya was his biggest mistake so why is doing it all over again?

Unbelievable.

Obama is mostly a figurehead who has little control over the situation. The CIA simply does whatever it wants. It's a rogue agency that acts with virtual impunity.

Peter1469
10-01-2016, 06:59 AM
Obama is mostly a figurehead who has little control over the situation. The CIA simply does whatever it wants. It's a rogue agency that acts with virtual impunity.


The CIA seems to be the driving force behind our hard on for Assad. I wonder if Assad was a former CIA asset who told them to screw off.

Ransom
10-01-2016, 09:43 AM
Assad being a proxy and surrogate of our primary enemy in the region Iran more likely the culprit, but you children and your tin foil hat theories continue on. Ethereal the America hating carrying the battle flag od malcontent has you daisies all worked up, I'll sit back and enjoy the show.

Peter1469
10-01-2016, 10:56 AM
Assad being a proxy and surrogate of our primary enemy in the region Iran more likely the culprit, but you children and your tin foil hat theories continue on. Ethereal the America hating carrying the battle flag od malcontent has you daisies all worked up, I'll sit back and enjoy the show.

Assad helped keep the region stable. Your Neocon friends are supporting Islamists who will ethnically cleanse the place of all non-Sunni Arabs.

Heck of a job. :wink:

Cletus
10-01-2016, 11:10 AM
There has been conflict between the guys in Group and the spooks for decades... all the way back to Vietnam.

Back in the 90s, the CIA and State Department were working with Aristide in Haiti to disarm the populace and SF got tasked with the mission of identifying armed Haitians and locating their weapons and confiscating them. It wasn't long before they saw first hand what Aristide and his henchmen were doing to the populace, so the mission covertly and against orders became locate the armed Haitians and teach them how to cache their weapons to keep them away from the government. They would round up and confiscate a few old and broken guns to turn in, but the good stuff went underground.

It seems the CIA is frequently on the wrong side of good and evil. Quite often, they play both sides.

Cletus
10-01-2016, 11:12 AM
The CIA seems to be the driving force behind our hard on for Assad. I wonder if Assad was a former CIA asset who told them to screw off.

Assad really is a bad guy, but sometimes a bad guy we can control is better than someone whose end goal is unknown and over whom we have little control. The Colonel in Libya was a great example of that.

Peter1469
10-01-2016, 11:19 AM
Exactly.

Archer0915
10-01-2016, 11:30 AM
Our current administration is a big destabilizing factor in may regions of the world. Bush got some of it started and really had no plan for an endgame. Obama came in and really screwed the pooch with a total screw up end game that ended up starting overtime play.

Ethereal
10-01-2016, 02:57 PM
The CIA seems to be the driving force behind our hard on for Assad. I wonder if Assad was a former CIA asset who told them to screw off.

It's entirely possible. During the cold war, the CIA saw the Baathists as a better alternative to the communists in the ME. And we know the west was helping prop up Saddam Hussein with weaponry and intelligence, among other things.

Ethereal
10-01-2016, 02:58 PM
Assad being a proxy and surrogate of our primary enemy in the region Iran more likely the culprit, but you children and your tin foil hat theories continue on. Ethereal the America hating carrying the battle flag od malcontent has you daisies all worked up, I'll sit back and enjoy the show.

You support AQ in Syria.

Nothing else needs to be said, really.

Peter1469
10-01-2016, 03:00 PM
It's entirely possible. During the cold war, the CIA saw the Baathists as a better alternative to the communists in the ME. And we know the west was helping prop up Saddam Hussein with weaponry and intelligence, among other things.So far as the Cold War went, I agree with that assessment. The Baath party was better than communism- for the US.

We fell apart after the Cold War by not standing down with the global war stuff.

Ethereal
10-01-2016, 08:09 PM
Interview with Al Nusra commander "The Americans are on our side" (http://www.ksta.de/politik/interview-mit-al-nusra-kommandeur--die-amerikaner-stehen-auf-unserer-seite--24802176-seite2)

The interview of Jürgen Todenhöfer with the rebel commander Abu Al Ezz

Jürgen Todenhöfer: What is the relationship between you and the US? Support the USA the rebels?

Abu Al Ezz: Yes, the United States support the opposition, but not directly. They support the countries that support us. But we are not yet satisfied with this support. They should support us with sophisticated weapons. We won the battles thanks to "TOW" rockets. We have achieved these missiles strike a balance with the regime. The tanks we got from Libya via Turkey. The "BMs" -Mehrfachraketenwerfer. The regime surpasses us only with its combat aircraft, missiles and missile launchers. We have captured some of their rocket launcher and get a great deal from abroad. But we have by the American "TOW" missiles, the situation in some areas under control.

Whom the USA have given the missiles before they were brought to you? Has the US initially given this rocket to the Free Syrian Army and were they passed on from there to you?

No, the missiles were given to us directly. They were delivered to a specific group. When the was 'Road' locked and we were besieged, we had officers from Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel and America here.

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German newspaper interviews Nusrah (AQ in Syria) commander who admits the Americans and their allies (Israel, Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia) are helping them.

Translation is from German to English via Google Translate.

Peter1469
10-01-2016, 08:29 PM
The CIA.....