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Cigar
10-14-2016, 08:19 AM
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She knows "vulgar" comments all too well.
Updated by Jenée Desmond-Harris jenee.desmondharris@voxmedia.com Oct 13, 2016, 4:47p



“I have to tell you that I listened to all this. And I feel it so personally,” first lady Michelle Obama said Thursday in remarks about the sexual assault and misconduct allegations against Donald Trump at a campaign appearance for Hillary Clinton in Manchester, New Hampshire.

“It has shaken me to my core," she said.

That’s no wonder. She’s been the victim of sexist attacks — often intertwined with racist themes — since her husband’s 2008 run for the White House.

Obama made clear in her speech that what makes Trump’s statements particularly outrageous and uniquely unacceptable is that he bragged about behavior that could constitute sexual assault. She also lamented the sexist attitudes behind the treatment of women that his comments and conduct represent, and the day-to-day ways women are degraded, saying:

It's like that sick, sinking feeling you get when you're walking down the street minding your own business. Some guy yells out vulgar words about your body. Or when you see that guy at work that stands just a little too close, stares just a little too long. You feel uncomfortable in your own skin.


She continued:

I have to tell you that I listened to all this. And I feel it so personally. And I'm sure that many of you do, too. Particularly the women. The shameful comments about our bodies. The disrespect of our ambitions and intellect. The belief that you can do anything you want to a woman. It is cruel. It’s frightening. And the truth is, it hurts. It hurts.


Obama’s speech was emotional, and that makes sense. She knows firsthand that Trump’s infamous remarks, and the underlying views of women they reflect, are all too common.

When she talks about “vulgar words” and “shameful comments” that equate women’s value with their physical appearances, she could just as easily be referring to things that have been said about her, often with a dose of racism mixed in to increase the insults. Just a few examples:

In 2010, discussing the first lady’s promotion of breastfeeding, radio host Rush Limbaugh said he wasn't surprised to see her "encouraging people to get on that teat."

In 2012, a California comedian joked that "Playboy is offering Ann Romney $250,000 to pose in the magazine, and the White House is upset about it because National Geographic only offered Michelle Obama $50 to pose for them."

In 2013, a Richmond, Virginia, school board member’s email captioned a photo of traditionally dressed African women with bare breasts “Michelle Obama’s high school reunion.”

In July 2015, Patrick Rushing, the mayor of Airway Heights, Washington, referred to her as “monkey man” and “gorilla face” in a Facebook post.

Just in July, a loan officer lost her job after calling the first lady an “ugly black bitch” on Twitter.


Obama didn’t speak out in response to any of these attacks, but it’s not hard to read her speech as partly catharsis about the pain she’s endured and what it says about how women — and black women in particular — are demeaned in this country.

After the speech, Politico reported that the White House warned Trump not to attack Obama. “I can’t think of a bolder way for Donald Trump to lose even more standing than he already has than by engaging the first lady of the United States,” principal deputy White House press secretary Eric Schultz told reporters during a gaggle aboard Air Force One.

The political calculation is accurate, but for the first lady, it wouldn’t be anything she hadn’t heard before.

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/13/13273832/michelle-obama-speech-trump-sexism-racism


Humm ... does tis remind you of anything you've heard on this forum? :rollseyes:
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DGUtley
10-14-2016, 08:21 AM
I'm sorry, her speech was political theater played to her base. I've felt that she's been a good FL and have applauded her efforts generally; but for her to step up now after remaining silent after all her husband's wrought is sad.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 08:26 AM
I'm sorry, her speech was political theater played to her base. I've felt that she's been a good FL and have applauded her efforts generally; but for her to step up now after remaining silent after all her husband's wrought is sad.


I'm curious to know if the Women you know in your life thought her speech was political theater and had nothing to do with how Woman are treated in this country.

Sad

Beevee
10-14-2016, 08:26 AM
I'm sorry, her speech was political theater played to her base. I've felt that she's been a good FL and have applauded her efforts generally; but for her to step up now after remaining silent after all her husband's wrought is sad.

Would 'wrought' be a reference to 100% of the American electorate or the GOP and conservatives?

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 08:31 AM
Would 'wrought' be a reference to 100% of the American electorate or the GOP and conservatives?

No, but we've been all over what he's done to this country before. Michelle's holier than thou speech would've been much more impactful had her husband lived it.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 08:38 AM
I'm curious to know if the Women you know in your life thought her speech was political theater and had nothing to do with how Woman are treated in this country. Sad

That's a valid question. I generally like Michelle Obama. I've applauded her on other boards (and may have here but I haven't been here that long). My wife doesn't like her at all, though I don't know why. I don't know this but both of my two daughters (One a pharmacist and the other in pharmacy school) probably see this as the political theater it is. They are strong, fiercely independent, opinionated women that loathe PC culture with thick skins that probably would've punched Trump in the face. I suspect my youngest may be home this weekend, I'll ask her if she saw it. The oldest is on her honeymoon and didn't see it.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 08:49 AM
No, but we've been all over what he's done to this country before. Michelle's holier than thou speech would've been much more impactful had her husband lived it.


Let's be clear, nothing Michelle or Barack could ever say be impactful to you. You don't like them, I got it, and I know why.

But that's your problem, not mine, and if you never get over it, it wouldn't matter to me one bit.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 08:50 AM
I'm curious to know if the Women you know in your life thought her speech was political theater and had nothing to do with how Woman are treated in this country. Sad

You truly don't see this as: Michelle's well liked, Cankles hasn't buried him yet so let's trot out Michelle because people (even Utley) like her and have her play the "I'm hurt and offended" card?

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 08:52 AM
Let's be clear, nothing Michelle or Barack could ever say be impactful to you. You don't like them, I got it, and I know why. But that's your problem, not mine, and if you never get over it, it wouldn't matter to me one bit.

Don't presume to know me or whom I do or don't like. Next thing I know you'll be saying my dislike for Obama isn't policy-based. I do generally like Michelle.

Chris
10-14-2016, 08:52 AM
It was a good, heartfelt, emotional speech.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 08:54 AM
Don't presume to know me or whom I do or don't like. Next thing I know you'll be saying my dislike for Obama isn't policy-based. I do generally like Michelle.


I'm not here to try to convince you of anything ... it doesn't matter to me who you like or dislike.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 08:57 AM
You truly don't see this as: Michelle's well liked, Cankles hasn't buried him yet so let's trot out Michelle because people (even Utley) like her and have her play the "I'm hurt and offended" card?


So you're questioning her sincerity on the subject of Women Abuse, as a Woman and a Mother?

I'm always amazed at the level of Denial of some people.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 09:00 AM
So you're questioning her sincerity on the subject of Women Abuse, as a Woman and a Mother? I'm always amazed at the level of Denial of some people.

Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 09:03 AM
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.


You didn't ask a question, you made a statement ... and you didn't say the magic word :grin:

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 09:04 AM
You didn't ask a question, you made a statement ... and you didn't say the magic word :grin:

I did ask a question and neither did you.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 09:05 AM
I did ask a question and neither did you.


Post Number ... ? Please

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 09:11 AM
Post Number ... ? Please

#8

MMC
10-14-2016, 10:55 AM
Awww....did MO give a heart felt speech? (plays violin) Did anyone bring up her remarks about Hillary with Valerie Jarrett back when BO peep took the 2008 election from Hillary?

You know if some people started yelling at her and calling her two faced. She would have ran off that stage real fast like. :evil:

Message to MO, go and do some real work for a change.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 11:48 AM
#8

@DGUtley (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2019) so like I said, you obviously don't think she was speaking from the heart and for herself ...

In my opinion, I don't think you know women like Michelle Obama. First of all, they don't get trotted out and they don't get told what to say. Do you actually think Hillary Clinton told Michelle Obama what to say? Michelle Obama has more smarts in one finger that all the Fist Ladies put together. She isn't a stay-at-home, apron skirt, babysitter type of Wife, Mother and Women.

Trust me, I have a strong willed Mother, Sister and Wife. You don't tell them anything, you ask politely, and the last thing on earth you want to experience is them even thinking they are a victim, because you'll end up being the victim.

... and don't even get me started on how you talk to Strong Black Women.

Sorry for the delay ... I hope this answers your question,

Cigar
10-14-2016, 11:53 AM
Awww....did MO give a heart felt speech? (plays violin) Did anyone bring up her remarks about Hillary with Valerie Jarrett back when BO peep took the 2008 election from Hillary?

You know if some people started yelling at her and calling her two faced. She would have ran off that stage real fast like. :evil:

Message to MO, go and do some real work for a change.


(202) 456-1111
The White House, Phone - Ask for Michelle Obama, then get back to us.

MMC
10-14-2016, 12:03 PM
(202) 456-1111
The White House, Phone - Ask for Michelle Obama, then get back to us.


Tell that wannabe to come here to Chicago and Speak out and don't stutter like BO peep. I promise I wont make her cry.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 12:08 PM
Tell that wannabe to come here to Chicago and Speak out and don't stutter like BO peep. I promise I wont make her cry.


It's your problem and you have the number, so why are you whining like a little b!tch on the internet. :laugh:

Git-R-Done ... and stop trying to impress us on how Bad-Ass you are ... just make the call and make it happen.

You do have the Balls to make the Call ... right? :grin:

MMC
10-14-2016, 12:26 PM
It's your problem and you have the number, so why are you whining like a little b!tch on the internet. :laugh:

Git-R-Done ... and stop trying to impress us on how Bad-Ass you are ... just make the call and make it happen.

You do have the Balls to make the Call ... right? :grin:

What, are you trying to play simple simon or just a plain ignorant mope?

Looks like, its your problem.....Tell you what, you bring her around and I will disrespect that bitch Right in front of your face. Daring you to open your mouth and jump! :laugh:

Cigar
10-14-2016, 12:30 PM
:laugh: Surprised Surprised Surprised ... you're still here talking sh!t and not dialing that number.

decedent
10-14-2016, 12:34 PM
I'm curious to know if the Women you know in your life thought her speech was political theater and had nothing to do with how Woman are treated in this country.

Sad

Michelle was shaking and stuttering. She was clearly distraught by Trump's comments.

MMC
10-14-2016, 12:34 PM
:laugh: Surprised Surprised Surprised ... you're still here talking sh!t and not dialing that number.





Surprise surprise.....deny the reality. Typical illiberal response. :grin:

Cigar
10-14-2016, 12:35 PM
Michelle was shaking and stuttering. She was clearly distraught by Trump's comments.


i don't think they are use to Women Speaking out ...

Cigar
10-14-2016, 12:40 PM
Surprise surprise.....deny the reality. Typical illiberal response. :grin:


The reality is; Michelle Obama gets to say whatever she want's, whenever she want's. So stick around sport, more to came and the best part is, all you can do is B!tch and Complain on Internet Forums

How's or seat, are you comfortable, can you see the stage, are you focused in. Get use to the view, it's not going to change for you back in the cheep seats, now that you know your new place.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 01:12 PM
@DGUtley (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2019) so like I said, you obviously don't think she was speaking from the heart and for herself ... In my opinion, I don't think you know women like Michelle Obama. First of all, they don't get trotted out and they don't get told what to say. Do you actually think Hillary Clinton told Michelle Obama what to say? Michelle Obama has more smarts in one finger that all the Fist Ladies put together. She isn't a stay-at-home, apron skirt, babysitter type of Wife, Mother and Women. Trust me, I have a strong willed Mother, Sister and Wife. You don't tell them anything, you ask politely, and the last thing on earth you want to experience is them even thinking they are a victim, because you'll end up being the victim. ... and don't even get me started on how you talk to Strong Black Women. Sorry for the delay ... I hope this answers your question,

You want to talk about strong women -- let's talk strong Italian grandmothers and mothers. Trust me. No worries on the delay. I was in court and then seeing a retinal specialist. You don't think that there's any coincidence that she was trotted out? Really? No politics? Just a concern for the children and young girls in this country? Really? I do think that MO probably was speaking from the heart, but there is no question in my mind that she was trotted out for political purposes. No doubt. You are wrong, though, I do like her and respect her. Much more so than her husband. I think she's been a good FL, as I said earlier.

I do wonder, however, something about both B. Obama and Michelle. Where is their outrage and concern for the children over Beyoncé's music. After all it's only about the children and young girls, right? To be consistent, they've lead a crusade against those vile aggressive sex lines in music over the past 8 years to protect the girls? Those lines are much more vile than Trump's and far more accessible to young kids:

Beyoncé:

- 'When he f*** me good I take his a** to Red Lobster, cause I slay. If he hit it right, I might take him on a flight on my chopper.' Formation, Lemonade.
- 'You can watch my fat a** twist boy. As I bounce to the next d*** boy.' Don't Hurt Yourelf, Lemonade.
- 'I don't give a f***, chucking my deuces up. Suck on my b***s, pause, I had enough.' Sorry, Lemonade.

Or, how about Snoop's lyrics:

- 'I fall to my knees and thank God before I do my thang. I don't know why, I love to gang-bang.' Still A G Thang, Da Game is to be Sold, Not to be Told.
- 'Look here b***h, you fine and I dig your style. Come f*** with a n**** and do it "Doggystyle".' B***h Please, No Limit Top Dogg.

Or A$AP’s lyrics:
- 'She rolling Swishers, brought her b***hes,I brought my n****s, they getting bent up off the liquor. She love my licorice, I let her lick it.' F***in' Problems, LONG.LIVE.A$AP.
- 'Drunk and disrespectful, callin' women b***hes.I don't mean no harm but won't you and your friends meet us in the cut and we can do the business.' Wild for the Night, LONG.LIVE.A$AP.
- 'Nose job, workin' on some payments. On a new car, now she finna trade it. Next time, you shouldn't've sucked a n**** d**k for free.' Electric Body, AT.LONG.LAST.A$AP.
- Killin bitches sniffin' panties/Willy Wonka candy semen" - A$AP Ant


Or Jay-Z’s lyrics:


'You know I thug 'em, f*** 'em, love 'em, leave 'em,‘cause I don't fucking need 'em. Take 'em out the hood, keep 'em looking good, but I don't f***ing feed 'em,' Big P
pimpin', Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter.

'I got this African chick with Eddie Murphy on her skull. She like: "Jigga Man, why you treat me like animal?" I'm like: "excuse me Ms. Fufu, but when I met your a**, you was dead broke and naked, and now you want half".' Girls Girls Girls, The Blueprint.

'F*** all y'all haters, blow d**k. I spits the game for those that throw bricks. Money, cash, hoes, money, cash, chicks.' Money, Cash, Hoes, Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life.
- 'Cause when I bust my n*t I'm raising up off the cot.Don't get upset, girl, that's just how it goes.' Gin and Juice, Doggystyle.

Common Sense
10-14-2016, 01:13 PM
LOL...let me know when any musicians are running for president.

exploited
10-14-2016, 01:17 PM
Gotta love it. Compares presidential candidates to musicians, and post lyrics that don't at all imply nonconsensual sex, and even acknowledge disrespect.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 01:22 PM
LOL...let me know when any musicians are running for president.

Let me know when MO speaks out consistently about things that hurt and impact young girls rather than just things that help Hillary.


Gotta love it. Compares presidential candidates to musicians, and post lyrics that don't at all imply nonconsensual sex, and even acknowledge disrespect.

Who was comparing presidential candidates to musicians? I was suggesting that MO's failure to speak out about such vile language regarding vile sexual treatment of women is inconsistent with her professed fears for such young women. You don't think that those rapper lines suggest disrespect to women? Really? Oh, I see -- she only speaks out when it helps Hillary / hurts a Republican, but not when it'd hurt the rappers that hubby invites to the WH.

Common Sense
10-14-2016, 01:26 PM
Let me know when MO speaks out consistently about things that hurt and impact young girls rather than just things that help Hillary.



Who was comparing presidential candidates to musicians? I was suggesting that MO's failure to speak out about such vile language regarding treatment of women is inconsistent with her professed fears for such young women. You don't think that those rapper lines suggest disrespect to women? Really?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRI1e86ADBE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CbDeaqBA7c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vovsueLkZYg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCmwkjSzr2g

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 01:28 PM
None of those criticize sexually degrading rap lyrics. Please try again. I'm waiting.

Common Sense
10-14-2016, 01:34 PM
None of those criticize sexually degrading rap lyrics. Please try again. I'm waiting.

She empowers young women, she doesn't have to go out of her way to point out all the social ills.

You're talking about song lyrics. These songs or their authors aren't running for president.

Michelle Obama has been consistent in speaking to young women about the issues they face. Your allegation that this is inconsistent in her behaviour is false.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 01:39 PM
She empowers young women, she doesn't have to go out of her way to point out all the social ills. You're talking about song lyrics. These songs or their authors aren't running for president. Michelle Obama has been consistent in speaking to young women about the issues they face. Your allegation that this is inconsistent in her behaviour is false.

Actually, it's entirely true.

Dangermouse
10-14-2016, 01:42 PM
Actually, it's entirely true.

Your false utterance mode seems fixed. Rigidly.

Common Sense
10-14-2016, 01:45 PM
Actually, it's entirely true.

Actually it's not...but that's cool.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 01:57 PM
Actually it's not...but that's cool.

Your false utterance mode seems fixed. Rigidly.

I'm sorry that you guys don't agree with me, but that's certainly your right. MO got all exercised about Trump's words scaring girls. Yet, she has not taken up such exercise regiment over similarly (or even more so) aggressive sexually degrading lyrics. I see that as inconsistent. The fact that she timed her concern over words to Hillary's campaign makes me suspicious. That's all.

Common Sense
10-14-2016, 02:00 PM
I'm sorry that you guys don't agree with me, but that's certainly your right. MO got all exercised about Trump's words scaring girls. Yet, she has not taken up such exercise regiment over similarly (or even more so) aggressive sexually degrading lyrics. I see that as inconsistent. The fact that she timed her concern over words to Hillary's campaign makes me suspicious. That's all.

Fair enough.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 02:03 PM
I'm sorry that you guys don't agree with me, but that's certainly your right. MO got all exercised about Trump's words scaring girls. Yet, she has not taken up such exercise regiment over similarly (or even more so) aggressive sexually degrading lyrics. I see that as inconsistent. The fact that she timed her concern over words to Hillary's campaign makes me suspicious. That's all.


Who do you know has ever been Sexually Assaulted over degrading lyrics?

One is an Actual Act and the other is a Music Recording, played at the will of the individual.

:huh:

del
10-14-2016, 02:10 PM
I'm sorry, her speech was political theater played to her base. I've felt that she's been a good FL and have applauded her efforts generally; but for her to step up now after remaining silent after all her husband's wrought is sad.

what's sad is people who listen to trump and then make excuses for him.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 02:12 PM
Who do you know has ever been Sexually Assaulted over degrading lyrics? One is an Actual Act and the other is a Music Recording, played at the will of the individual. :huh:

I'm not a psychologist nor a neuropsychologist, so I'm not in a position to know.

http://pwq.sagepub.com/content/19/2/195.short

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2496932/

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acp.3084/full

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-_4PA_trPAhVLxoMKHeGEDgkQFgg8MAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm.arizona.edu%2Fsites%2Fcomm. arizona.edu%2Ffiles%2FJOBEM_aubrey%2520et%2520al.p df&usg=AFQjCNE5gBdRhhFcWz6RfgX20IZd43518g&bvm=bv.135475266,d.amc

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-_4PA_trPAhVLxoMKHeGEDgkQFghGMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mhlearningsolutions.com%2Fcom monplace%2Findex.php%3Fq%3Dnode%2F3792&usg=AFQjCNE042ZY5Y9vcOaf0RXxHbs4vPQazg&bvm=bv.135475266,d.amc

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 02:13 PM
what's sad is people who listen to trump and then make excuses for him.

What's sad is people that make up lies. Who is making excuses for Trump? Please show me where I have made an excuse for Trump, or apologize.

Cigar
10-14-2016, 02:19 PM
I'm not a psychologist nor a neuropsychologist, so I'm not in a position to know.

http://pwq.sagepub.com/content/19/2/195.short

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2496932/

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acp.3084/full

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-_4PA_trPAhVLxoMKHeGEDgkQFgg8MAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm.arizona.edu%2Fsites%2Fcomm. arizona.edu%2Ffiles%2FJOBEM_aubrey%20et%20al.pdf&usg=AFQjCNE5gBdRhhFcWz6RfgX20IZd43518g&bvm=bv.135475266,d.amc

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-_4PA_trPAhVLxoMKHeGEDgkQFghGMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mhlearningsolutions.com%2Fcom monplace%2Findex.php%3Fq%3Dnode%2F3792&usg=AFQjCNE042ZY5Y9vcOaf0RXxHbs4vPQazg&bvm=bv.135475266,d.amc


The Root Cause is not the Music ... anyone can interpret Music, individuals are responsible for their actions ... the the Music they hear.

Try again ...

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 02:23 PM
The Root Cause is not the Music ... anyone can interpret Music, individuals are responsible for their actions ... the the Music they hear. Try again ...

I have a tendency to agree with you on this point, generally. Not in everyone, but mostly everyone. The research disagrees with us, making my point, but I have a tendency to agree with you.

Cletus
10-14-2016, 02:23 PM
The reality is; Michelle Obama gets to say whatever she want's, whenever she want's. So stick around sport, more to came and the best part is, all you can do is B!tch and Complain on Internet Forums

How's or seat, are you comfortable, can you see the stage, are you focused in. Get use to the view, it's not going to change for you back in the cheep seats, now that you know your new place.

Did you coerce a 5 year old into writing that for you?

Cletus
10-14-2016, 02:28 PM
None of those criticize sexually degrading rap lyrics. Please try again. I'm waiting.

Michelle Obama actually took her daughters to see Beyonce and Jay Z in concert. She exposed her daughters to that.

She even invited Beyonce to Camp David.

Bethere
10-14-2016, 04:33 PM
Michelle Obama actually took her daughters to see Beyonce and Jay Z in concert. She exposed her daughters to that.

She even invited Beyonce to Camp David.

Good for her. Beyonce is an excellent role model.

Cletus
10-14-2016, 04:46 PM
Good for her. Beyonce is an excellent role model.

I am sure you wish you could be just like her.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 04:48 PM
Michelle Obama actually took her daughters to see Beyonce and Jay Z in concert. She exposed her daughters to that. She even invited Beyonce to Camp David.

That's her decision as a parent, and I support her right to make that decision. I've never listened to either but I've been told and read that their lyrics are very racy. If so, and if sexually degrading, that'd be inconsistent with her speech. IMHO.

Bethere
10-14-2016, 04:49 PM
I am sure you wish you could be just like her.

I am a man, but I have to admit that I'd love to have access to her capital one card.

What's in your wallet, whitey?

del
10-14-2016, 04:49 PM
What, are you trying to play simple simon or just a plain ignorant mope?

Looks like, its your problem.....Tell you what, you bring her around and I will disrespect that bitch Right in front of your face. Daring you to open your mouth and jump! :laugh:

put a sock in it

del
10-14-2016, 04:50 PM
LOL...let me know when any musicians are running for president.

can't be any worse than that hack actor the plebes elected

del
10-14-2016, 04:54 PM
Let me know when MO speaks out consistently about things that hurt and impact young girls rather than just things that help Hillary.



Who was comparing presidential candidates to musicians? I was suggesting that MO's failure to speak out about such vile language regarding vile sexual treatment of women is inconsistent with her professed fears for such young women. You don't think that those rapper lines suggest disrespect to women? Really? Oh, I see -- she only speaks out when it helps Hillary / hurts a Republican, but not when it'd hurt the rappers that hubby invites to the WH.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRI1e86ADBE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CbDeaqBA7c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vovsueLkZYg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCmwkjSzr2g


None of those criticize sexually degrading rap lyrics. Please try again. I'm waiting.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-19-2015/D8sxR1.gif

nicely done :biglaugh:

Cletus
10-14-2016, 05:03 PM
I am a man, but I have to admit that I'd love to have access to her capital one card.

What's in your wallet, whitey?

You may be male, but you are no man.

What is with this "Whitey" nonsense?

Tell us again what it was you were so ashamed of that you had to announce it on the forum. Was it your race, gender or nationality?

Bethere
10-14-2016, 05:06 PM
You may be male, but you are no man.

What is with this "Whitey" nonsense?

Tell us again what it was you were so ashamed of that you had to announce it on the forum. Was it your race, gender or nationality?

Sure.

People like you make me embarrassed to be a white man.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 05:07 PM
nicely done :biglaugh:

I accept your apology.

Cletus
10-14-2016, 05:09 PM
That's her decision as a parent, and I support her right to make that decision. I've never listened to either but I've been told and read that their lyrics are very racy. If so, and if sexually degrading, that'd be inconsistent with her speech. IMHO.

That was the point. Talk about positive role models in one breath and then turn right around and take your children to see people who are anything but.

del
10-14-2016, 05:09 PM
I accept your apology.

you're delusional

Cletus
10-14-2016, 05:14 PM
Sure.

People like you make me embarrassed to be a white man.

I see. Well, you don't have to worry about the latter part. You are not a man, so there is no need to be embarrassed about that. As far as the White thing goes, I am afraid I can't help you with that. The very idea of being embarrassed about something over which you have no control... I'd be wiling to bet you cry every time you watch Bambi, too.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 05:17 PM
I see. Well, you don't have to worry about the latter part. You are not a man, so there is no need to be embarrassed about that. As far as the White thing goes, I am afraid I can't help you with that. The very idea of being embarrassed about something over which you have no control... I'd be wiling to bet you cry every time you watch Bambi, too.
I know Bethere well, he's a friend of mine. We don't agree on much politically but he's as much of a man as any one on here. DGU.

Ethereal
10-14-2016, 05:17 PM
I know @Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988) well, he's a friend of mine.

You have my sympathies... :smiley:

Cletus
10-14-2016, 05:19 PM
I know @Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988) well, he's a friend of mine. We don't agree on much politically but he's as much of a man as any one on here. DGU.

He shows no evidence of it. Maybe he changes into a man suit when gets offline or something.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 05:19 PM
You have my sympathies... :smiley:

None needed. Bethere and I have had many knock down/drag outs over the years but have always circled back as friends.

Cletus
10-14-2016, 05:20 PM
None needed. @Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988) and I have had many knock down/drag outs over the years but have always circled back as friends.

I think you are a good egg, Mr. Utley.

We are just going to have to disagree about your friend.

DGUtley
10-14-2016, 05:22 PM
I think you are a good egg, Mr. Utley. We are just going to have to disagree about your friend.

I understand. Go Buckeyes!!! Go Tribe!!!

Ethereal
10-14-2016, 05:24 PM
He shows no evidence of it. Maybe he changes into a man suit when gets offline or something.

I believe the technical term is "man-child".

Bethere
10-14-2016, 05:26 PM
I understand. Go Buckeyes!!! Go Tribe!!!
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