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Peter1469
10-15-2016, 05:43 AM
Voter fraud is real (http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/)

This is a serious topic- not one for clowns to disrupt.


This week, liberals have been repeating their frequent claim that voter fraud doesn’t exist. A recent Salon article (http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/donald-trump-goes-rogue-suggesting-that-pennsylvania-will-have-voter-fraud-trumps-undermining-the-system/) argues that “voter fraud just isn’t a problem in Pennsylvania,” despite evidence to the contrary (http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/7523867-74/state-voters-pennsylvania). Another article argues (http://prospect.org/article/trump%E2%80%99s-voter-fraud-fantasy) that voter fraud is entirely in the imagination of those who use voter ID laws to deny minorities the right to vote.

Yet as the election approaches, more and more cases of voter fraud are beginning to surface. In Colorado, multiple instances were found (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/23/colorado-voter-fraud-revealed-slew-of-ballots-cast/) of dead people attempting to vote. Stunningly, “a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.” In Virginia, it was found that (http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/article_e008ce00-0365-57a2-95c0-4d9aa70012f9.html) nearly 20 voter applications were turned in under the names of dead people.




In Texas, authorities are investigating criminals who are using the technique (http://townhall.com/columnists/lawrencemeyers/2016/10/06/massive-voter-fraud-sweep-under-way-by-texas-ag-n2228904) of “vote harvesting” to illegally procure votes for their candidates. “Harvesting” is the practice of illegally obtaining the signatures of valid voters in order to vote in their name without their consent for the candidate(s) the criminal supports.


These are just some instances of voter fraud we know about. It would be silly to assume cases that have been discovered are the only cases of fraud. Indeed according to a Pew Research report from February 2012 (http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pewupgradingvoterregistrationpdf.pdf), one in eight voter registrations are “significantly inaccurate or no longer valid.” Since there are 146 million Americans registered to vote, this translates to a stunning 18 million invalid voter registrations on the books. Further, “More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters, and approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.” Numbers of this scale obviously provide ripe opportunity for fraud.

Read more at the link.

FindersKeepers
10-15-2016, 05:52 AM
Voter fraud is real (http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/)

This is a serious topic- not one for clowns to disrupt.



Read more at the link.

I have yet to figure out why anyone would be against protecting the integrity of the vote. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I hear claims that trying to crack down on voter fraud is pointless -- that the incidents, themselves, are statistically insignificant.

That's a cop out. Our entire voting process is one of vital importance and it should be protected.

The other thing is -- I don't believe those who make the claim that it is statistically insignificant.

Watch this short vid - this is Alan Schulkin, the Democratic Election Commissioner in NYC. If anyone should know whether there is fraud or not -- he should.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0

MMC
10-15-2016, 06:20 AM
Not to mention, they just busted a Democrat recently using the dead to vote in Virginia.

The desperation of the left shows.....now that they are passing laws to allow Felons behind bars to vote.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 07:42 AM
It is actually a big issue in Virginia. If the vote is already compromised I may just not bother.

MMC
10-15-2016, 07:58 AM
It is actually a big issue in Virginia. If the vote is already compromised I may just not bother.

They busted the Demo outright.....FBI is investigating. Which with Comey running things I doubt much will come from it.

Subdermal
10-15-2016, 09:09 AM
Where are our resident leftist clowns? The ones who have continued to lie for their party and claim that Voter Fraud is a non-issue?

They're liars and invaders, and they need to be put down.

MMC
10-15-2016, 09:12 AM
Where are our resident leftist clowns? The ones who have continued to lie for their party and claim that Voter Fraud is a non-issue?

They're liars and invaders, and they need to be put down.


They always avoid reality they cant get around.

Subdermal
10-15-2016, 09:23 AM
James O'Keefe is a regular on a local talk radio show in Wisconsin (WISN: Vicki McKenna Show); the information he brings to light through his undercover investigates is always interesting.

The liberal powers that be absolutely hate him. They go after him at every opportunity. That means he's doing a great job.

Subdermal
10-15-2016, 09:26 AM
Voter fraud is, without question, not only real, but widespread. (http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/how-democrats-plan-to-steal-the-14995362/)

Our voice - and our control over what Government we wish to have represent us - is being stolen from us by leftists.

MMC
10-15-2016, 09:27 AM
James O'Keefe is a regular on a local talk radio show in Wisconsin (WISN: Vicki McKenna Show); the information he brings to light through his undercover investigates is always interesting.

The liberal powers that be absolutely hate him. They go after him at every opportunity. That means he's doing a great job.

Just like they hate those that get up in their face and bring the dis their way. :evil:

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 09:28 AM
They busted the Demo outright.....FBI is investigating. Which with Comey running things I doubt much will come from it.


I defended Comey in the beginning. But now it appears as if he is a criminal.

I am not referring anything to DoJ in the foreseeable future.

MMC
10-15-2016, 09:31 AM
I defended Comey in the beginning. But now it appears as if he is a criminal.

I am not referring anything to DoJ in the foreseeable future.


Oh, you didn't know his brother was the Attorney that did the Clinton Foundation Taxes.

Question is.....why hasn't Ryan called for him and Lynch to Censured before Congress.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 09:32 AM
Where are our resident leftist clowns? The ones who have continued to lie for their party and claim that Voter Fraud is a non-issue?

They're liars and invaders, and they need to be put down.

tPF works. The Clowns know if they make a stupid post they will be gone.

Look at my history tPF threat. All people with at least minimal intelligence know that thread will last as long as the forum does. And one off topic troll post means gone forever. Cigar learned that.

Other intelligent members who love to troll have been wise to contribute or stay away.

That is the power of tPF.

MMC
10-15-2016, 09:34 AM
tPF works. The Clowns know if they make a stupid post they will be gone.

Look at my history tPF threat. All people with at least minimal intelligence know that thread will last as long as the forum does. And one off topic troll post means gone forever. Cigar learned that.

Other intelligent members who love to troll have been wise to contribute or stay away.

That is the power of tPF.

Gimping them to the Hole works to.....if all participate. :wink:

maineman
10-15-2016, 09:44 AM
a non-issue....as in, bug dust...as in the value in your checking account four digits right of the decimal point. Voter fraud may exist, but it is practically irrelevant.

MMC
10-15-2016, 09:49 AM
a non-issue....as in, bug dust...as in the value in your checking account four digits right of the decimal point. Voter fraud may exist, but it is practically irrelevant.

Give it a break and try looking up that Demo History with voter fraud. Especially Chicago Democrats and Illinois.

Bo-4
10-15-2016, 09:52 AM
No - actually it isn't

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-government-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/

maineman
10-15-2016, 09:53 AM
Give it a break and try looking up that Demo History with voter fraud. Especially Chicago Democrats and Illinois.

Oh... the old anecdotal Daley and the JFK-RMN election.

Never any proof. Half a century or more ago....

boring.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 09:54 AM
Gimping them to the Hole works to.....if all participate. :wink:

That requires agreement in management. tPF doesn't.

Every member has his or her own view of what serious means in a thread. tPF allows for that.

Member A is a clown and joker and you can post off topic all day on his threat and there won't be a report.

Member B is an anal retentive nerd and thinks if you depart even the slightest from his topic you are trash.

tPF solves that. Relax.

Bo-4
10-15-2016, 10:31 AM
Oh... the old anecdotal Daley and the JFK-RMN election.

Never any proof. Half a century or more ago....

boring.

What these clowns still haven't realized it that there's a REASON these dumb laws keep getting tossed.

States have been totally unable to come up with anything other than anecdotal one-offs.

In fact - the worst cases of voter fraud have been perpetrated by Republicans.

http://addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/shorewood-man-sentenced-to-jail-for-multiple-votes-in-several-elections-b99677321z1-370317801.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/federal-judge-in-wisconsin-looks-for-voter-fraud-finds-none/361403/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

http://billmoyers.com/story/whats-behind-the-gop-witch-hunt-for-voter-fraud/

MMC
10-15-2016, 11:00 AM
Oh... the old anecdotal Daley and the JFK-RMN election.

Never any proof. Half a century or more ago....

boring.

Not quite and not with indictments. You will need to do better leftist. Much better.


In New York City, for example, the Tammany Hall machine was rigging elections all the way back to the Boss Tweed era of the 1850’s. In the 1896 election, New York businessmen like Diamond Jim Brady had to keep their support for William McKinley secret, because they knew Tammany Hall would destroy anyone in the city who supported a Republican Presidential candidate.

In the aftermath of the Civil War, Southern Democrats used poll taxes, grandfather clauses, and other legal maneuvers (not to mention illegal maneuvers involving the Ku Klux Klan) to keep blacks from getting to the polls. Republicans fought back with the Fourteenth Amendment, which among other things makes race-based voting restrictions illegal.

For over half a century, Democrat Machine politics have dominated politics in Chicago. Mayor Richard Daley Sr. is widely credited with helping JFK win a razor-thin Presidential election by mobilizing thousands of dead and non-existant Chicago residents to vote Democrat, and things haven’t changed much since then. In 1982 the US Attorney in Chicago estimated that the party machine manufactured at least 100,000 extra votes in an attempt to defeat Republican gubernatorial candidate James Thompson. Sixty-three people were convicted of election fraud.

After the 1996 Congressional Elections Bob Dornan, a California Repub., lost his seat to a Dem. by only 984 votes. There is evidence to suggest that the number of votes cast by illegal aliens was greater than Dornan’s margin of defeat. Dornan could only conclusively prove that 547 of the votes had come from non-citizens, so the result was allowed to stand.

In 2004 Dem. Christine Gregoire won Washington’s gubernatorial race on a controversial re-count marked by various irregularities. Her defeated Repub. opponent was unable to prove in court that the irregularities had made the difference in the final count.

Also in 2004, Dem Al Franken won a Senate seat in Minnesota on an equally controversial re-count in which twenty-five different pro-Franken precincts mysteriously produced more ballots than registered voters. All the extra ballots counted in the final total.

Washington and Minnesota weren’t the only blue states with interesting vote-counting practices in 2004. In Wisconsin, Dem John Kerry won the state’s electoral votes and hoped that no one would notice that the ballots outnumbered the legal voters to the tune of more than 4,500 votes. The left wing group ACORN was heavily involved in the process. In Milwaukee, the police department conducted an investigation and reported that eighteen poll officials had felony records, and that eight of the eighteen had been sponsored by ACORN.

Speaking of the devil, eighteen foot soldiers for ACORN were convicted of, or confessed to, election fraud in calendar year 2010. Republicans, with the help of a few embarrassed Democrats, cut off federal funding for the group, which promptly re-named and re-organized itself to escape from its tarnished reputation.

It may sound one-sided to say that the Republicans are fighting voter fraud while the Dems are fighting to facilitate it, but the facts really are just about that one-sided.....snip~

http://historyhalf.com/history-of-voter-fraud/



I see you missed quite a bit of the Demos history. Imagine that.

maineman
10-15-2016, 11:13 AM
Not quite and not with indictments. You will need to do better leftist. Much better.


In New York City, for example, the Tammany Hall machine was rigging elections all the way back to the Boss Tweed era of the 1850’s. Tammany Hall? Don't you wonder whether there were voting irregularities when Andy Jackson was elected? Is this a politics website or an ancient history website???? Tammany Hall????? :rofl:


In the aftermath of the Civil War, Southern Democrats used poll taxes, grandfather clauses, and other legal maneuvers (not to mention illegal maneuvers involving the Ku Klux Klan) to keep blacks from getting to the polls. Republicans fought back with the Fourteenth Amendment, which among other things makes race-based voting restrictions illegal. No denying it. The democratic party used to be the party of racist southern white folks. They all have found a new party now, however.


For over half a century, Democrat Machine politics have dominated politics in Chicago. Mayor Richard Daley Sr. is widely credited with helping JFK win a razor-thin Presidential election by mobilizing thousands of dead and non-existant Chicago residents to vote Democrat, and things haven’t changed much since then. In 1982 the US Attorney in Chicago estimated that the party machine manufactured at least 100,000 extra votes in an attempt to defeat Republican gubernatorial candidate James Thompson. Sixty-three people were convicted of election fraud.

"widely credited"? By GOP hacks.... no proof. Like I said. Somebody "estimates" "at least 100K extra votes. 63 people convicted. You would have to admit, if you weren't such a hack, that the gap between 100K and 63 might tend to indicate a bit of an "over estimation".


After the 1996 Congressional Elections Bob Dornan, a California Repub., lost his seat to a Dem. by only 984 votes. There is evidence to suggest that the number of votes cast by illegal aliens was greater than Dornan’s margin of defeat. Dornan could only conclusively prove that 547 of the votes had come from non-citizens, so the result was allowed to stand. Not only could he only prove that 547votes were cast illegally, he couldn't prove who they were cast FOR. Imagine that.


In 2004 Dem. Christine Gregoire won Washington’s gubernatorial race on a controversial re-count marked by various irregularities. Her defeated Repub. opponent was unable to prove in court that the irregularities had made the difference in the final count. more unproven allegations. why even bring shit like this up?


Also in 2004, Dem Al Franken won a Senate seat in Minnesota on an equally controversial re-count in which twenty-five different pro-Franken precincts mysteriously produced more ballots than registered voters. All the extra ballots counted in the final total. and again, who were these ballots cast for?


I see you missed quite a bit of the Demos history. Imagine that.

the sum total of all of these allegations, unproven and otherwise, are bug dust.

MMC
10-15-2016, 11:56 AM
It doesn't changeup the Demo history and is validated.

Oh an in 1982 Patrick Fitzgerald was the US Attorney. So there goes that BS about GOP hacks.

And with Franken such a minimal amount of votes is how he got in Office and of course, how BO peeps special care package got passed.

Denying reality doesn't help your case. Despite your long extended version. Oh and those that weren't validated. Just because they didn't prove it in court doesn't mean those irregularities didn't take place.


Like I said.....you will have to do much better.

Dangermouse
10-15-2016, 12:14 PM
Voter fraud if it exists is miniscule, less than 2% and well within the margin of error. Trump will be nowhere close eough for that to be a factor. Problem is, it won't ever be enough to keep his second amendment solutionists off the streets, intimidating voters of a different complexion.

Bo-4
10-15-2016, 12:27 PM
Voter fraud if it exists is miniscule, less than 2% and well within the margin of error. Trump will be nowhere close eough for that to be a factor. Problem is, it won't ever be enough to keep his second amendment solutionists off the streets, intimidating voters of a different complexion.

Even ONE percent sounds WAY high.

A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

maineman
10-15-2016, 12:53 PM
It doesn't changeup the Demo history and is validated.

Oh an in 1982 Patrick Fitzgerald was the US Attorney. So there goes that BS about GOP hacks.

And with Franken such a minimal amount of votes is how he got in Office and of course, how BO peeps special care package got passed.

Denying reality doesn't help your case. Despite your long extended version. Oh and those that weren't validated. Just because they didn't prove it in court doesn't mean those irregularities didn't take place.


Like I said.....you will have to do much better.

I have to do much better for what reason? to satisfy you? silly. nothing ever will. voter fraud is what you hang your hat on when you can't bear to face up to electoral defeats. And for you to somehow suggest that voter fraud is ONLY practiced by democrats is just plain ridiculous.

http://addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 01:18 PM
Voter fraud if it exists is miniscule, less than 2% and well within the margin of error. Trump will be nowhere close eough for that to be a factor. Problem is, it won't ever be enough to keep his second amendment solutionists off the streets, intimidating voters of a different complexion.

Actually that is false.

One precinct can be tapered with and through an election.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 01:19 PM
The hard left is pro-voter fraud because they are doing it.

maineman
10-15-2016, 01:32 PM
The hard left is pro-voter fraud because they are doing it.

and the right isn't?

do you honestly believe - really - that only democrats in America commit voter fraud? Really?

Bo-4
10-15-2016, 01:45 PM
The hard left is pro-voter fraud because they are doing it.

Nay

http://addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/shorewood-man-sentenced-to-jail-for-multiple-votes-in-several-elections-b99677321z1-370317801.html

MMC
10-15-2016, 01:51 PM
I have to do much better for what reason? to satisfy you? silly. nothing ever will. voter fraud is what you hang your hat on when you can't bear to face up to electoral defeats. And for you to somehow suggest that voter fraud is ONLY practiced by democrats is just plain ridiculous.

http://addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/



I never said its just practiced by the Demos.....you can google up that fact checker if you want to deny reality tho.

As for the majority of the Demos and the leftness. Its pretty much what the last line in the link I gave you, says. More of that leftness trait to cheat. Goes with their lying and victim status.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 01:52 PM
and the right isn't?

do you honestly believe - really - that only democrats in America commit voter fraud? Really?

Absolutely not.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 01:53 PM
Nay

http://addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/shorewood-man-sentenced-to-jail-for-multiple-votes-in-several-elections-b99677321z1-370317801.html

False.

Bo-4
10-15-2016, 02:02 PM
False.

Nay

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/republican-campaign-worker-charged-with-voter-registration-fraud/2012/10/19/c07cc378-1a01-11e2-94aa-9240e72ee00b_story.html

Archer0915
10-15-2016, 02:02 PM
What these clowns still haven't realized it that there's a REASON these dumb laws keep getting tossed.

States have been totally unable to come up with anything other than anecdotal one-offs.

In fact - the worst cases of voter fraud have been perpetrated by Republicans.

http://addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/shorewood-man-sentenced-to-jail-for-multiple-votes-in-several-elections-b99677321z1-370317801.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/federal-judge-in-wisconsin-looks-for-voter-fraud-finds-none/361403/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

http://billmoyers.com/story/whats-behind-the-gop-witch-hunt-for-voter-fraud/

Voter ID! Simple as that.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 02:03 PM
The hard left is hell bent on voter fraud. They ought to be stopped. And jailed.

Archer0915
10-15-2016, 02:07 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/15/emails-clinton-allies-believe-the-obama-forces-committed-voter-fraud-in-08/


Apparently, Lyons and Driver didn’t want a repeat of 2008 when, they believe, the Obama campaign “flooded the caucuses with ineligible voters,” according to the email chain released by WikiLeaks (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10290). It’s unclear if they are only talking about the Colorado caucus or those in other states.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/15/emails-clinton-allies-believe-the-obama-forces-committed-voter-fraud-in-08/#ixzz4NBMpuHmi

In private even Libs see it as an issue. Voter fraud, election tampering, you name it. The left is full of it.

maineman
10-15-2016, 02:10 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/15/emails-clinton-allies-believe-the-obama-forces-committed-voter-fraud-in-08/



In private even Libs see it as an issue. Voter fraud, election tampering, you name it. The left is full of it.

and the right is lily white... and would NEVAH soil their precious reputation by participating in voter fraud, my word no!

AZ Jim
10-15-2016, 02:11 PM
Not to mention, they just busted a Democrat recently using the dead to vote in Virginia.

The desperation of the left shows.....now that they are passing laws to allow Felons behind bars to vote.Funny how it's always a democrat. Never any republican fraud eh?

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 02:23 PM
Funny how it's always a democrat. Never any republican fraud eh?


Not true. I pointed out GOP voter fraud in Cali a month or two ago. The Fans are just programed to ignore any hint of voter fraud.

Dangermouse
10-15-2016, 02:26 PM
The hard left is pro-voter fraud because they are doing it.

While the floppy right whines impotently?

AZ Jim
10-15-2016, 02:29 PM
I'd have to know in each case of documented "fraud" to be sure but I bet much of it is not intentional.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 02:30 PM
While the floppy right whines impotently?

What does that mean? That sounds like a different topic.

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 02:32 PM
I'd have to know in each case of documented "fraud" to be sure but I bet much of it is not intentional.


I post the link often- nobody has commented on it. There is an organization that monitors and reports on elections worldwide. But the partisan hacks here are not interested in it.

Archer0915
10-15-2016, 02:32 PM
and the right is lily white... and would NEVAH soil their precious reputation by participating in voter fraud, my word no!

Your words, not mine.

But in modern times fraud is real, generally on the left and Obama should not have even been on the 08 Indiana ballot!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/17/indiana-dem-official-sentenced-to-prison-for-08-ballot-fraud-in-obama-clinton.html


As Hillary Clinton prepares for a possible presidential run in 2016, it appears that she could have knocked then-candidate Barack Obama off the 2008 primary ballot in Indiana.

MMC
10-15-2016, 02:55 PM
I'd have to know in each case of documented "fraud" to be sure but I bet much of it is not intentional.



:rollseyes:



Virginia Democrat Registers 19 Dead People To Vote For Hillary.....

Just yesterday we wrote about an FBI investigation into potential voter fraud in the critical swing state of Virginia after it was revealed that 19 dead people had recently been re-registered to vote (see "FBI Investigating More Dead People Voting In The Key Swing State Of Virginia"). While the Washington Post caught wind of the investigation, it was not known who was behind the operation...until now.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/10/02/virginia-democrat-registers-19-dead-people-vote-hillary




VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT In This State…Get A Prize!.....


The Kankakee Daily Journal, a local newspaper in a county just south of Chicago, reported last week that several citizens in the small county reported they were offered bribes in return for casting votes for Democrats.

Voting officials were also looking into reports that some mail-in voter applications had been filed from outside the county.

From the article:

The Kankakee County State’s Attorney’s office says it is investigating possible voting fraud after the clerk’s office reported three complaints from people who said they were offered bribes for votes.

Additionally, the Virginia Voters Alliance and the Public Interest Legal Foundation found that at least 1,046 non-U.S. citizens across eight districts had voted in the 2012 presidential election. Via:MRCTV (http://www.mrctv.org/blog/il-residents-report-being-offered-bribes-voting-democrat).....snip~

http://100percentfedup.com/vote-for-a-democrat-in-this-stateget-a-prize-does-anyone-care-that-democrats-are-stealing-our-election/

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 02:58 PM
The hard left is diaper-bound. That explains why they are so ill-tempered.

MMC
10-15-2016, 03:10 PM
The hard left is diaper-bound. That explains why they are so ill-tempered.

:wink:


Young Virginia Democrat Andrew Spieles confessed this week to registering 19 dead people to vote for Hillary.....

http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/andrew-spieles.jpg

Just yesterday we wrote about an FBI investigation into potential voter fraud in the critical swing state of Virginia after it was revealed that 19 dead people had recently been re-registered to vote (see “FBI Investigating More Dead People Voting In The Key Swing State Of Virginia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/fbi-investigating-more-dead-people-voting-virginia)“).

While the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/he-fought-in-world-war-ii-he-died-in-2014-and-he-just-registered-to-vote-in-va/2016/09/29/5e0bffee-8670-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html) caught wind of the investigation, it was not known who was behind the operation…until now.

Meet, Andrew Spieles, a student at James Madison University, and apparently “Lead Organizer” for HarrisonburgVOTES (http://harrisonburgvotes.weebly.com/). According to the Daily News-Record (http://www.dnronline.com/news/harrisonburg/student-admits-to-fraud/article_0e0cc872-7bbf-11e6-b192-0b7ae4f5b3fb.html), Spieles confessed to re-registering 19 deceased Virginians to vote in the 2016 election cycle.....snip~

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/young-virginia-democrat-registers-19-dead-people-vote-hillary/

Peter1469
10-15-2016, 04:36 PM
I posted a thread on that. The hard left says no.

They are wrong.
:wink:


Young Virginia Democrat Andrew Spieles confessed this week to registering 19 dead people to vote for Hillary.....

http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/andrew-spieles.jpg

Just yesterday we wrote about an FBI investigation into potential voter fraud in the critical swing state of Virginia after it was revealed that 19 dead people had recently been re-registered to vote (see “FBI Investigating More Dead People Voting In The Key Swing State Of Virginia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/fbi-investigating-more-dead-people-voting-virginia)“).

While the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/he-fought-in-world-war-ii-he-died-in-2014-and-he-just-registered-to-vote-in-va/2016/09/29/5e0bffee-8670-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html) caught wind of the investigation, it was not known who was behind the operation…until now.

Meet, Andrew Spieles, a student at James Madison University, and apparently “Lead Organizer” for HarrisonburgVOTES (http://harrisonburgvotes.weebly.com/). According to the Daily News-Record (http://www.dnronline.com/news/harrisonburg/student-admits-to-fraud/article_0e0cc872-7bbf-11e6-b192-0b7ae4f5b3fb.html), Spieles confessed to re-registering 19 deceased Virginians to vote in the 2016 election cycle.....snip~

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/young-virginia-democrat-registers-19-dead-people-vote-hillary/

Bo-4
10-16-2016, 02:57 PM
:wink:


Young Virginia Democrat Andrew Spieles confessed this week to registering 19 dead people to vote for Hillary.....

Then why hasn't he been charged?

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/02/19-dead-people-registered/

Bo-4
10-16-2016, 02:59 PM
I posted a thread on that.

Of course you did! This story made it to every RW wackanoid site on the planet but has yet to be verified or have charges filed.

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 03:07 PM
Of course you did! This story made it to every RW wackanoid site on the planet but has yet to be verified or have charges filed.

Refer back to my posts. Charges have been filed.

Bo-4
10-16-2016, 03:16 PM
Refer back to my posts. Charges have been filed.

Nuh uh - Snopes is usually up to date. Linky por favor.

Here's the latest i could find

http://virginiahouse.gop/2016/09/29/icymi-student-admits-to-voter-fraud-in-harrisonburg-investigation-ongoing/

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 05:19 PM
Nuh uh - Snopes is usually up to date. Linky por favor.

Here's the latest i could find

http://virginiahouse.gop/2016/09/29/icymi-student-admits-to-voter-fraud-in-harrisonburg-investigation-ongoing/

Snopes is a DNC stooge. Next.

MMC
10-16-2016, 05:58 PM
Nuh uh - Snopes is usually up to date. Linky por favor.

Here's the latest i could find

http://virginiahouse.gop/2016/09/29/icymi-student-admits-to-voter-fraud-in-harrisonburg-investigation-ongoing/


:rollseyes: You must not have looked real hard. But that's to be expected with the leftness. Always looking to avoid reality.

Harrisonburg officials and the FBI are investigating allegations of voter registration fraud after officials say almost 20 voter applications were turned in under the names of dead people.

The Breeze, the student newspaper of James Madison University, reported that the applications were submitted by a student working for the group. The problem came to light when an employee in the registrar’s office noticed a new registration had come in from Richard Claybrook Sr., the late father of a well-known local judge.

The fraudulent voters are still technically registered as the investigation continues, Logan said, but if her office receives an absentee ballot from one of the dead voters, it would react appropriately. Logan said she expects the State Board of Elections and her local electoral board will allow her to cancel the registrations before the Nov. 8 election.....snip~

http://www.richmond.com/news/virgini...aa70012f9.html (http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/article_e008ce00-0365-57a2-95c0-4d9aa70012f9.html)

AZ Jim
10-16-2016, 06:05 PM
Refer back to my posts. Charges have been filed.NO where in your post does it indicate any charges filed. You have a problem with telling the truth.

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 06:07 PM
NO where in your post does it indicate any charges filed. You have a problem with telling the truth.
Stanger danger.

Bethere
10-16-2016, 06:10 PM
Stanger danger.

Implying that your fellow poster is a child molester is beneath even you.

This forum is a safer place to post, now, without you as a mod.

MMC
10-16-2016, 06:36 PM
Snopes is a DNC stooge. Next.

Actually they are an Urban legend debunker. But the owners are leftists.

Which btw they tried to debunk that Russia was prepping their people for war. They got owned.

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 06:37 PM
Implying that your fellow poster is a child molester is beneath even you.

This forum is a safer place to post, now, without you as a mod.

Stay back. Stranger danger.

(Does that really work. Doesn't seem like it. The slim still creeps towards me.)

MMC
10-16-2016, 06:43 PM
Stanger danger.

House Minority Leader David J. Toscano (D-Charlottesville) said the case was not proof of voter fraud because no one had actually managed to cast a vote in the names of the dead.....snip~

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/he-fought-in-world-war-ii-he-died-in-2014-and-he-just-registered-to-vote-in-va/2016/09/29/5e0bffee-8670-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html


Note how the Democrat deflected and said nothing about the registrations to vote. Just that they had not voted. But then.....if the student confessed that's what he did. Then why does this Demo still have his Office?

Bethere
10-16-2016, 06:46 PM
Stay back. Stranger danger.

(Does that really work. Doesn't seem like it. The slim still creeps towards me.)

In public schools, the students know that it's spelled s-l-i-m-e.

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 06:47 PM
Thanks for the troll block.

Bethere
10-16-2016, 06:51 PM
Thanks for the troll block.

This forum is 100% better today than it was yesterday.

Good times.

16410

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 06:54 PM
This forum is 100% better today than it was yesterday.

Good times.

16410

Are you a pedophile?

Adelaide
10-16-2016, 06:56 PM
This forum is 100% better today than it was yesterday.

Good times.

16410


Are you a pedophile?

Knock it off - both of you. Discuss the topic not each other.

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 07:03 PM
Now that the trolls have been brought to heel, the topic is voter fraud.


This week, liberals have been repeating their frequent claim that voter fraud doesn’t exist. A recent Salon article (http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/donald-trump-goes-rogue-suggesting-that-pennsylvania-will-have-voter-fraud-trumps-undermining-the-system/) argues that “voter fraud just isn’t a problem in Pennsylvania,” despite evidence to the contrary (http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/7523867-74/state-voters-pennsylvania). Another article argues (http://prospect.org/article/trump%E2%80%99s-voter-fraud-fantasy) that voter fraud is entirely in the imagination of those who use voter ID laws to deny minorities the right to vote.

Address the topic or be TBed.

Bethere
10-16-2016, 07:13 PM
Now that the trolls have been brought to heel, the topic is voter fraud.

Address the topic or be TBed.

No, thank you.

Crepitus
10-16-2016, 07:29 PM
Republicans are actually behind most instances of election/vote fraud.


Adam Ward of Bassett County Virginia pleaded guilty to 36 counts of voter fraud and perjury (http://www.nbc29.com/story/22627644/bassett-man-pleads-guilty-to-voter-fraud-forgery) in connection with an attempt to help Newt Gingrich reach the number of signatures required to appear on last year’s Virginia presidential primary ballot. Ward collected over 11,000 signatures on behalf of Gingrich, over 4,000 of which, according to investigators, could not be verified. According to RawStory, the Virginia campaign of Texas governor Rick Perry faced a similar dilemma (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/19/virginia-republican-pleads-guilty-to-dozens-of-counts-of-voter-fraud/), with almost half the 11,900 signatures collected on his behalf failing verification. No Perry supporters are currently facing criminal charges.

Above from this link (http://addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/).

Look at the results from 2014 in Kansas Gubernatorial race:

Polling just before election




Polling Data



Poll
Date
Sample
MoE
Brownback (R)
Davis (D)
Spread


Final Results
--
--
--
50.0
46.1
Brownback +3.9


RCP Average
10/18 - 11/3
--
--
42.6
44.6
Davis +2.0


PPP (D)* (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/KSResults.pdf)
11/1 - 11/3
963 LV
3.2
45
46
Davis +1


YouGov* (http://today.yougov.com/news/2014/10/31/yougov-2014-final-pre-election-polls/)
10/25 - 10/31
1137 LV
4.8
39
38
Brownback +1


FOX News* (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/10/31/fox-news-poll-kansas-senate-race/)
10/28 - 10/30
907 LV
3.0
42
48
Davis +6


SurveyUSA* (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=9ac677f0-ad90-4902-8bec-2c4055810575)
10/22 - 10/26
623 LV
4.0
43
46
Davis +3


NBC News/Marist* (http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/KSpolls/KS141018/Complete October 26, 2014 Kansas NBC News__Marist Poll Release and Tables.pdf)
10/18 - 10/22
757 LV
3.6
44
45
Davis +1




Actual results:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Kansas_Governor_Election_Results_by_County%2C_2014 .svg/250px-Kansas_Governor_Election_Results_by_County%2C_2014 .svg.png

Seems kinda fishy don't it that not even Sedgwick County, the biggest metropolitan area in KS went blue?


Voter Fraud is exceedingly rare. A study by a consortium of journalism schools found (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/selling-votes-is-common-type-of-election-fraud/2012/10/01/f8f5045a-071d-11e2-81ba-ffe35a7b6542_story.html) only 867 proven cases in the United States since 2000. Democrats have been guilty in the past (http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story/Ark-lawmaker-pleads-guilty-to-election-charge/qjc8PtXwfkC8frDCgwLNrg.cspx), but in 2012, all the fraud has apparently been on the Republican side of the aisle.

Above from this link (http://www.alternet.org/voter-fraud-rare-and-cycle-its-all-been-committed-republicans)

Even though it's on the republican side of the aisle it's just to rare to worry about.

See: Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth (http://aattp.org/comprehensive-10-year-voter-fraud-study-found-its-a-gop-myth/)

Peter1469
10-16-2016, 07:29 PM
lol

trolls will be trolls.

MMC
10-16-2016, 07:33 PM
lol

trolls will be trolls.


You have to remember a few pages have flipped over.....wherein the facts get buried over in a long running thread. Standard Leftist tactic.


In New York City, for example, the Tammany Hall machine was rigging elections all the way back to the Boss Tweed era of the 1850’s. In the 1896 election, New York businessmen like Diamond Jim Brady had to keep their support for William McKinley secret, because they knew Tammany Hall would destroy anyone in the city who supported a Republican Presidential candidate.

In the aftermath of the Civil War, Southern Democrats used poll taxes, grandfather clauses, and other legal maneuvers (not to mention illegal maneuvers involving the Ku Klux Klan) to keep blacks from getting to the polls. Republicans fought back with the Fourteenth Amendment, which among other things makes race-based voting restrictions illegal.

For over half a century, Democrat Machine politics have dominated politics in Chicago. Mayor Richard Daley Sr. is widely credited with helping JFK win a razor-thin Presidential election by mobilizing thousands of dead and non-existant Chicago residents to vote Democrat, and things haven’t changed much since then. In 1982 the US Attorney in Chicago estimated that the party machine manufactured at least 100,000 extra votes in an attempt to defeat Republican gubernatorial candidate James Thompson. Sixty-three people were convicted of election fraud.

After the 1996 Congressional Elections Bob Dornan, a California Repub., lost his seat to a Dem. by only 984 votes. There is evidence to suggest that the number of votes cast by illegal aliens was greater than Dornan’s margin of defeat. Dornan could only conclusively prove that 547 of the votes had come from non-citizens, so the result was allowed to stand.

In 2004 Dem. Christine Gregoire won Washington’s gubernatorial race on a controversial re-count marked by various irregularities. Her defeated Repub. opponent was unable to prove in court that the irregularities had made the difference in the final count.

Also in 2004, Dem Al Franken won a Senate seat in Minnesota on an equally controversial re-count in which twenty-five different pro-Franken precincts mysteriously produced more ballots than registered voters. All the extra ballots counted in the final total.

Washington and Minnesota weren’t the only blue states with interesting vote-counting practices in 2004. In Wisconsin, Dem John Kerry won the state’s electoral votes and hoped that no one would notice that the ballots outnumbered the legal voters to the tune of more than 4,500 votes. The left wing group ACORN was heavily involved in the process. In Milwaukee, the police department conducted an investigation and reported that eighteen poll officials had felony records, and that eight of the eighteen had been sponsored by ACORN.

Speaking of the devil, eighteen foot soldiers for ACORN were convicted of, or confessed to, election fraud in calendar year 2010. Republicans, with the help of a few embarrassed Democrats, cut off federal funding for the group, which promptly re-named and re-organized itself to escape from its tarnished reputation.

It may sound one-sided to say that the Republicans are fighting voter fraud while the Dems are fighting to facilitate it, but the facts really are just about that one-sided.....snip~

http://historyhalf.com/history-of-voter-fraud/

Crepitus
10-16-2016, 08:00 PM
Your words, not mine.

But in modern times fraud is real, generally on the left and Obama should not have even been on the 08 Indiana ballot!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/17/indiana-dem-official-sentenced-to-prison-for-08-ballot-fraud-in-obama-clinton.html
ID would not have changed this one bit.

Archer0915
10-16-2016, 10:10 PM
ID would not have changed this one bit.

The instance I quoted? No, but much of it, yes. Look we need ID, we need to do away with early voting.

Crepitus
10-16-2016, 10:11 PM
The instance I quoted? No, but much of it, yes. Look we need ID, we need to do away with early voting.
No, we don't need either.

Archer0915
10-16-2016, 10:26 PM
No, we don't need either.

Please tell me why. Cite some studies and some laws of other nations. What about Mexico? .

exploited
10-16-2016, 10:31 PM
There is no question whatsoever that the United States needs to alter and modernize its voter system.

Voter ID is absolutely mandatory. However, in the interests of fairness, the issuing of that ID needs to be taxpayer-funded, with no fees associated with it. Further to that point, ballots need to be standardized across the US, and political districts need to be set by open source algorithm, rather than politicians.

I do think that more voter fraud goes on than many on the left would like to admit, but at the same time, I also think that it is drastically overexaggerated by some on the right-wing, who are perpetual victims and sore losers.

maineman
10-16-2016, 10:44 PM
Please tell me why. Cite some studies and some laws of other nations. What about Mexico? .

you want to model US elections on Mexico?????

Archer0915
10-16-2016, 10:48 PM
you want to model US elections on Mexico?????

Non answer. Please try again.

Crepitus
10-16-2016, 11:04 PM
Please tell me why. Cite some studies and some laws of other nations. What about Mexico? .

I'm not interested in other nations, and if you scroll backwards a bit you will see the study and other anecdotal evidence I posted that prove my point.

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 06:35 AM
I'm not interested in other nations, and if you scroll backwards a bit you will see the study and other anecdotal evidence I posted that prove my point.

I do not believe much of that. I honestly feel for every one that is found five are out there.

Crepitus
10-17-2016, 06:38 AM
I do not believe much of that. I honestly feel for every one that is found five are out there.

Don't fall for the conservative hype.

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 06:39 AM
Don't fall for the conservative hype.

Don't fall for the Statist hype.

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 06:45 AM
Don't fall for the conservative hype.

Hype? We got poll intimidation tactics used by the NBPP (against conservatives), Obama getting on the Indiana ticket illegally, the fraud that has been pointed out thus far in this thread, plenty of attempted fraud pointed out,..

Crepitus
10-17-2016, 06:51 AM
Hype? We got poll intimidation tactics used by the NBPP (against conservatives), Obama getting on the Indiana ticket illegally, the fraud that has been pointed out thus far in this thread, plenty of attempted fraud pointed out,..

Yes, hype. Tiny amounts of stuff pointed out. Believing the narrative that it is a "too of the iceberg" kinda thing when there is no evidence of anything like that is falling for the hype.

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 06:54 AM
Yes, hype. Tiny amounts of stuff pointed out. Believing the narrative that it is a "too of the iceberg" kinda thing when there is no evidence of anything like that is falling for the hype.

Think Floroda in the not so distant past where a little fraud could tip the scales.

Crepitus
10-17-2016, 07:04 AM
Think Floroda in the not so distant past where a little fraud could tip the scales.

Another case where ID would have had no effect.

Bethere
10-17-2016, 07:19 AM
Don't fall for the Statist hype.

Don't fall for the fascist trump hype.

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 07:22 AM
Don't fall for the fascist trump hype.

Fascism in on the left - you should know that by now.

Common Sense
10-17-2016, 07:23 AM
While voter fraud by anyone is to be taken seriously. No voter fraud has had any real effect on election outcomes in recent history.

Ethereal
10-17-2016, 07:26 AM
Of course voter fraud is real. The entire political system is rife with fraud. Why would voting be any different? One notable example is how LBJ "won" his first ever congressional election, by outright fraud. Of course, frauds will always claim that they are not really frauds, so when Democrats claim that voter fraud is largely a myth, it should hardly come as a surprise. It's not like they're going to admit it. Ultimately, it's on smart, independent thinking people to understand that it is a real problem and that it undermines the legitimacy of the political system, assuming it has any legitimacy left.

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 07:28 AM
While voter fraud by anyone is to be taken seriously. No voter fraud has had any real effect on election outcomes in recent history.

Untrue.

Was it a lie or public school education?

Common Sense
10-17-2016, 07:36 AM
Untrue.

Was it a lie or public school education?

You seem to be quite hostile and detached from reality as of late.

It was nether.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/person-voting-fraud-rare-doesnt-affect-elections/

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/11/13236464-new-database-of-us-voter-fraud-finds-no-evidence-that-photo-id-laws-are-needed

Chris
10-17-2016, 07:37 AM
Don't fall for the fascist trump hype.



Bethere Peter1469 Bethere has been TBed at the request of the OP. Please direct any questions to Peter1469.

Cigar
10-17-2016, 07:46 AM
:rollseyes:

del
10-17-2016, 11:17 AM
I do not believe much of that. I honestly feel for every one that is found five are out there.

well if you honestly feel it, it must be true.

derp

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 11:28 AM
well if you honestly feel it, it must be true.

derp

Actually I had an education and I am really good at statistics.

Cigar
10-17-2016, 11:54 AM
Was the GOP Collecting Completed Absentee Ballots in NC?



by david badash
October 17, 2016 11:17 AM

After Sunday's despicable and horrific attack on the Orange County, North Carolina offices of the Republican party, GOP spokesperson Emily Weeks told NBC News "that materials inside, possibly including completed absentee ballots, may have been destroyed."

Fox News appears to have reported "absentee ballots burned in office attack."

If completed absentee ballots were housed in the GOP's headquarters, that could be a violation of North Carolina's State Board of Election's rules.

When asked if the GOP could have been collecting completed absentee voter ballots, Tracy Ream, the Director of North Carolina's Orange County Board of Elections told The New Civil Rights Movement via telephone Monday, "they cannot do that." She cited the State Board of Elections rules ...

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/_why_is_the_gop_claiming_completed_absentee_ballot s_may_have_been_in_their_nc_ (http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/_why_is_the_gop_claiming_completed_absentee_ballot s_may_have_been_in_their_nc_hq_that_was_firebombed )


https://xspblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fb4c7583.jpg (https://xspblog.com/2008/06/13/o-rly/)

Crepitus
10-17-2016, 12:03 PM
This is the only kinda vote fraud I'm actually worried about at the moment.


16413

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 12:35 PM
This is the only kinda vote fraud I'm actually worried about at the moment.


16413
http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16414&stc=1

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 12:37 PM
Another case where ID would have had no effect.

I am talking about numbers not the issue of chads.











http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/IMAGES/COLOR/0000DD.gif
George W. Bush
Richard Cheney
Republican
2,912,790
48.85%
25


http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/IMAGES/COLOR/DD0000.gif
Albert Gore Jr.
Joseph Lieberman
Democratic
2,912,253
48.84%
0

Crepitus
10-17-2016, 12:40 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16414&stc=1

Wasn't a fan of that either.

Crepitus
10-17-2016, 12:41 PM
I am talking about numbers not the issue of chads.

ID still wouldn't have had any effect on that.

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 12:43 PM
ID still wouldn't have had any effect on that.

Actually, it is a small number you say does not matter.

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 12:46 PM
Photo IDs don't fix the voting system, but there is no logical reason to not require them.

Photo IDs should also be easy to get with the proper documents to prove identify.

maineman
10-17-2016, 01:03 PM
Photo IDs don't fix the voting system, but there is no logical reason to not require them.

Photo IDs should also be easy to get with the proper documents to prove identify.

and what if you're a poor fella who has lived and worked in his community for his whole life and who doesn't HAVE the "proper documentation", but everyone in town knows you by your first name? What if the "proper documentation" would cost you a lot of time and effort and money to obtain, and yet, you've been on the rolls of your precinct for decades and faithfully voted every election and never cheated once?

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 01:06 PM
and what if you're a poor fella who has lived and worked in his community for his whole life and who doesn't HAVE the "proper documentation", but everyone in town knows you by your first name? What if the "proper documentation" would cost you a lot of time and effort and money to obtain, and yet, you've been on the rolls of your precinct for decades and faithfully voted every election and never cheated once?

That is bull shit fantasy. He had his ID at the liquor store.

maineman
10-17-2016, 01:17 PM
That is bull shit fantasy. He had his ID at the liquor store.

old men don't need ID's at liquor stores. I'm old enough to know that for a fact.

maineman
10-17-2016, 01:21 PM
I also know that my father, who had practiced law in his home town ever since he came home after WWII, and who was a former Illinois legislator, did not have a photo ID in his later years. His passport had long expired and he no longer drove himself anywhere so his driver's license had long expired as well. He had voted at the same public school polling place for decades. If anyone had told HIM he needed to spend a dime of his own money in order to BUY the right to vote, he'd have taken them to court.

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 01:21 PM
old men don't need ID's at liquor stores. I'm old enough to know that for a fact.

Perhaps in Mexico. In the States you have to show an ID at least once.

The claim that people can't get an ID outside of a very small group, is a blatant lie.

The important question is why make the claim?

I have taken a good friend to Mexico to get prescription drugs not available in the US. They required us to get her a photo ID.

maineman
10-17-2016, 01:31 PM
Perhaps in Mexico. In the States you have to show an ID at least once.

The claim that people can't get an ID outside of a very small group, is a blatant lie.

The important question is why make the claim?

I have taken a good friend to Mexico to get prescription drugs not available in the US. They required us to get her a photo ID.

I lived in Maine for 25 years. I NEVER showed an ID at a liquor store. Not once. Throughout my Navy career, I bought liquor, while in uniform, on base and off, and NEVER showed an ID Not once.

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 01:34 PM
I lived in Maine for 25 years. I NEVER showed an ID at a liquor store. Not once. Throughout my Navy career, I bought liquor, while in uniform, on base and off, and NEVER showed an ID Not once.

OK.

When I was in high school 4 of use went to buy alcohol and a local gas station. The clerk- a large black woman sold the first 3 of us. For the last, she asked for ID. He said he would put the bottle back. She laughed and said honey I was just fooling with you.

Peter1469
10-17-2016, 01:35 PM
Still not requiring ID to vote is a problem.

Americans understand that.

Cigar
10-17-2016, 01:36 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16414&stc=1


Aren't those dudes somewhere in a Retirement Home in Southern Florida?

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 03:51 PM
Aren't those dudes somewhere in a Retirement Home in Southern Florida?

Why dont you tell me about it?

del
10-17-2016, 06:40 PM
Actually I had an education and I am really good at statistics.

then you should know how ridiculous it sounds to say *i feel* in this context.

exploited
10-17-2016, 06:41 PM
OK.

When I was in high school 4 of use went to buy alcohol and a local gas station. The clerk- a large black woman sold the first 3 of us. For the last, she asked for ID. He said he would put the bottle back. She laughed and said honey I was just fooling with you.

Was that a public school or a private school?

Common Sense
10-17-2016, 06:42 PM
Was that a public school or a private school?

Home school I suspect.

Archer0915
10-17-2016, 06:47 PM
then you should know how ridiculous it sounds to say *i feel* in this context.

Actually I feel is the proper thing to say, presenting it as opinion and not fact. You see I can see the same information as you, research it (using real sources and data to reach a conclusion that I can back up with evidence). It does not mean it is fact it means that it is a real possibility.

ripmeister
10-17-2016, 09:04 PM
https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/truth-about-voter-fraud.

For those interested in reality

Loyola study: 31 cases of voter identity fraud out of 1 billion with a B votes. But hey Trump is a winner so there has to be a conspiratorial reason.

maineman
10-17-2016, 10:16 PM
Actually I feel is the proper thing to say, presenting it as opinion and not fact. You see I can see the same information as you, research it (using real sources and data to reach a conclusion that I can back up with evidence). It does not mean it is fact it means that it is a real possibility.

there is a possibility that aliens have inhabited your brain. Is it unkind of me to think overwise, and to prefer to think that you are just woefully ignorant and uninformed?

Ethereal
10-17-2016, 11:23 PM
https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/truth-about-voter-fraud.

For those interested in reality

Loyola study: 31 cases of voter identity fraud out of 1 billion with a B votes. But hey Trump is a winner so there has to be a conspiratorial reason.

The entire point of committing fraud is to not get caught. By its nature, it is difficult to detect, especially when Democrats insist on making it easier to do.

maineman
10-17-2016, 11:39 PM
The entire point of committing fraud is to not get caught. By its nature, it is difficult to detect, especially when Democrats insist on making it easier to do.

and, supposedly, they only make it easier for democrats to do it, but not republicans?

really????

exploited
10-17-2016, 11:40 PM
and, supposedly, they only make it easier for democrats to do it, but not republicans?

really????

Republicans prefer gerrymandering.

Ethereal
10-18-2016, 12:00 AM
and, supposedly, they only make it easier for democrats to do it, but not republicans?

really????

It must be easy to win debates when you put words in your opponent's mouth.

maineman
10-18-2016, 12:02 AM
It must be easy to win debates when you put words in your opponent's mouth.

it must be easier to win debates when you avoid answering your opponent's questions.

Ethereal
10-18-2016, 12:07 AM
it must be easier to win debates when you avoid answering your opponent's questions.

Sorry, but I don't answer loaded questions.

maineman
10-18-2016, 12:11 AM
come back when you grow a set.

PolWatch
10-18-2016, 04:46 AM
@maineman has been thread banned at the request of the OP, Peter1469. Please do not respond to maineman any further in this thread. If you have questions contact the OP of this tPF thread in a PM.

Cthulhu
10-18-2016, 07:38 AM
I voted yesterday. I also made sure to use a paper ballot...a and take a video of my exploits.

For the topics I didn't didn't vote on, I scratched my vote.

And I'd I feel squirrelly enough, I'll file a FOIA request and find out exactly how my vote was counted.

Seeing the "security" of the vote on Idaho yesterday just opened my eyes a little.

Fear profits a man nothing.

Cigar
10-18-2016, 07:44 AM
Early Voting starts for me next week

Crepitus
10-18-2016, 07:45 AM
Republicans prefer gerrymandering.

The real voter fraud.

Cigar
10-18-2016, 07:50 AM
Trump: ‘Voter fraud is very, very common.’ GOP lawyers: NahRepublican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Monday cited studies he said showed rampant voter fraud, saying the Nov. 8 election was “rigged” against him even as Republican lawyers called his allegations unfounded.

Trump, a New York businessman making his first run for public office, has sought to raise fears of a flawed election as he has fallen in opinion polls against Democrat Hillary Clinton. “They even want to try to rig the election at the polling place,” Trump told a rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin. “So many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is very, very common.”

Trump cited Pew Trusts research from 2012 that called for updates to the voter registration system because about 24 million registrations were inaccurate. He also referred to a 2014 article by two political scientists in the Washington Post that said non-citizens who voted could have accounted for Democratic victories in a few close elections in 2008, although the authors acknowledged the sample size of their study was small.

Numerous studies have shown that voter fraud in U.S. elections is very rare. Republican campaign lawyer Chris Ashby said Trump’s charges could foment unrest and were “unfounded” and “dangerous.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trump-voter-fraud-is-very-very-common-gop-lawyers-nah/


Let me Guess ... Now The GOP Lawyers are Liars :laugh:

Ethereal
10-18-2016, 02:33 PM
come back when you grow a set.

Typical partisan Democrat response.

But when a political party is nothing more than a front for organized crime, can you really expect their loyal members to behave like civilized human beings?

Peter1469
10-18-2016, 02:40 PM
Republicans prefer gerrymandering.Both parties do The practice should be banned.

Peter1469
10-18-2016, 02:43 PM
More voter fraud (http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article108539187.html)


Less than a month before the Nov. 8 election, allegations of voter fraud in Tarrant County are under investigation by the state, prompting concern that the timing may intimidate some voters — and possibly lay groundwork for the Legislature to enact more restrictions on voting next year.

The complaints focus on mail-in ballots, which allow people to vote from their homes without any ID or verification of identity.



Supporters have long said mail-in balloting is crucial for overseas residents, the military and senior citizens. Critics maintain that such voting is ripe for abuse and raises concerns about “vote harvesting,” in which people could fill out and return other people’s ballots.




Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article108539187.html#storylink=cpy

MMC
10-18-2016, 05:25 PM
More voter fraud (http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article108539187.html)


:wink:


Project Veritas Video 2: How to Commit Voter Fraud ......


http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...inton-network/ (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/18/commit-voter-fraud-massive-scale-part-ii-project-veritas-investigation-clinton-network/)

Common Sense
10-18-2016, 05:27 PM
More voter fraud (http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article108539187.html)

Investigations are not findings. They are investigations.

nic34
10-18-2016, 05:31 PM
Polls say Trump is behind and needs to make up how many million votes?

In how many states.

This'll be something boy....

Peter1469
10-18-2016, 05:37 PM
Gary Johnson is much further behind. Down to 6% now I believe.

MMC
10-18-2016, 05:40 PM
Investigations are not findings. They are investigations.

The history of the Demos show indictments like in 82 and 2010 with Acorn. So that deflection doesn't work.

Peter1469
10-18-2016, 05:41 PM
Kennedy won the white house through voter fraud.

Al Franken is a senator because of it.

Common Sense
10-18-2016, 05:47 PM
Lol...

MMC
10-18-2016, 05:52 PM
Lol...

Also in 2004, Dem Al Franken won a Senate seat in Minnesota on an equally controversial re-count in which twenty-five different pro-Franken precincts mysteriously produced more ballots than registered voters. All the extra ballots counted in the final total.

Washington and Minnesota weren’t the only blue states with interesting vote-counting practices in 2004. In Wisconsin, Dem John Kerry won the state’s electoral votes and hoped that no one would notice that the ballots outnumbered the legal voters to the tune of more than 4,500 votes. The left wing group ACORN was heavily involved in the process. In Milwaukee, the police department conducted an investigation and reported that eighteen poll officials had felony records, and that eight of the eighteen had been sponsored by ACORN.

Speaking of the devil, eighteen foot soldiers for ACORN were convicted of, or confessed to, election fraud in calendar year 2010. Republicans, with the help of a few embarrassed Democrats, cut off federal funding for the group, which promptly re-named and re-organized itself to escape from its tarnished reputation.

It may sound one-sided to say that the Republicans are fighting voter fraud while the Dems are fighting to facilitate it, but the facts really are just about that one-sided.....snip~

http://historyhalf.com/history-of-voter-fraud/


http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/pointlaugh.gif

ripmeister
10-18-2016, 08:16 PM
Also in 2004, Dem Al Franken won a Senate seat in Minnesota on an equally controversial re-count in which twenty-five different pro-Franken precincts mysteriously produced more ballots than registered voters. All the extra ballots counted in the final total.

Washington and Minnesota weren’t the only blue states with interesting vote-counting practices in 2004. In Wisconsin, Dem John Kerry won the state’s electoral votes and hoped that no one would notice that the ballots outnumbered the legal voters to the tune of more than 4,500 votes. The left wing group ACORN was heavily involved in the process. In Milwaukee, the police department conducted an investigation and reported that eighteen poll officials had felony records, and that eight of the eighteen had been sponsored by ACORN.

Speaking of the devil, eighteen foot soldiers for ACORN were convicted of, or confessed to, election fraud in calendar year 2010. Republicans, with the help of a few embarrassed Democrats, cut off federal funding for the group, which promptly re-named and re-organized itself to escape from its tarnished reputation.

It may sound one-sided to say that the Republicans are fighting voter fraud while the Dems are fighting to facilitate it, but the facts really are just about that one-sided.....snip~

http://historyhalf.com/history-of-voter-fraud/


http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/pointlaugh.gif

Forgive me if I have doubts about a right wing history revisionist site as your source.

Subdermal
10-18-2016, 08:21 PM
Democrats are stealing elections, and have been for years. They cannot abide the true voting process. They cheat because they're slime, and enemies of our country and of free expression.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

ripmeister
10-18-2016, 08:55 PM
Democrats are stealing elections, and have been for years. They cannot abide the true voting process. They cheat because they're slime, and enemies of our country and of free expression.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

I noticed the subtitle...... "Data suggests". That's a little short of proof.

ripmeister
10-18-2016, 09:19 PM
So I'm in Ohio. If Trump loses Ohio and Portman wins his senate seat which one is illegitimate?

del
10-18-2016, 09:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Op9Bkpeu4s

Peter1469
10-18-2016, 09:30 PM
she's hot

Subdermal
10-18-2016, 11:13 PM
So I'm in Ohio. If Trump loses Ohio and Portman wins his senate seat which one is illegitimate?

You think that those are the only two metrics necessary to draw a conclusion?

Meet with del. Perhaps you guys could form a search party for a modicum of intellect.

Tahuyaman
10-18-2016, 11:17 PM
Voter fraud is real (http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/)

This is a serious topic- not one for clowns to disrupt.

Read more at the link.

Voter fraud is real, but it rarely impacts an election. Yes, we currently have one US Senator who owes his seat to voter fraud, but can you think of any others?

Here in Washington, we had a governor elected a while back based on voter fraud, but it was conducted in a very unconventional way. It wasn't conducted at the ballot box.

Tahuyaman
10-18-2016, 11:18 PM
Kennedy won the white house through voter fraud.

Al Franken is a senator because of it.

Franken, yes. Kennedy? Possibly.

Tahuyaman
10-18-2016, 11:19 PM
Also in 2004, Dem Al Franken won a Senate seat in Minnesota on an equally controversial re-count in which twenty-five different pro-Franken precincts mysteriously produced more ballots than registered voters. All the extra ballots counted in the final total.

Washington and Minnesota weren’t the only blue states with interesting vote-counting practices in 2004. In Wisconsin, Dem John Kerry won the state’s electoral votes and hoped that no one would notice that the ballots outnumbered the legal voters to the tune of more than 4,500 votes. The left wing group ACORN was heavily involved in the process. In Milwaukee, the police department conducted an investigation and reported that eighteen poll officials had felony records, and that eight of the eighteen had been sponsored by ACORN.

Speaking of the devil, eighteen foot soldiers for ACORN were convicted of, or confessed to, election fraud in calendar year 2010. Republicans, with the help of a few embarrassed Democrats, cut off federal funding for the group, which promptly re-named and re-organized itself to escape from its tarnished reputation.

It may sound one-sided to say that the Republicans are fighting voter fraud while the Dems are fighting to facilitate it, but the facts really are just about that one-sided.....snip~

http://historyhalf.com/history-of-voter-fraud/


http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/pointlaugh.gif

Theres no argument that he benefited from voter fraud.