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Newpublius
10-20-2016, 11:54 AM
Psst, Bo, that source MIGHT be biased. Maybe a little....just a littlr bit.....
Psst, Bo, that source MIGHT be biased. Maybe a little....just a littlr bit.....
My personal favorite was KPLC LA - 96% to 4%!! :D
Cigar
10-20-2016, 12:00 PM
Better Yet, he's already Won the Election :laugh:
We can all relax now. :grin:
Newpublius
10-20-2016, 12:02 PM
My personal favorite was KPLC LA - 96% to 4%!! :D
.....and likewise: http://theweek.com/articles/656381/over-hillary-clinton-just-finished-donald-trump?yptr=yahoo
As if she's St. George slaying the dragon herself.
It just seems debates happen, both sides say they won.
exotix
10-20-2016, 12:04 PM
Well damn ... LOL
.....and likewise: http://theweek.com/articles/656381/over-hillary-clinton-just-finished-donald-trump?yptr=yahoo
As if she's St. George slaying the dragon herself.
It just seems debates happen, both sides say they won.
Yeah - Morning Joe had an equal number of conservatives and progressives around the table today.
Not one of them said Trump won, even though Joe had a conniption fit about how Trump didn't say he wouldn't accept the election results.
Which technically, he didn't .. but after spending a couple months yammering about how "rigged" it was - the underlying meaning was pretty clear.
Cigar
10-20-2016, 12:07 PM
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Newpublius
10-20-2016, 12:09 PM
Yeah - Morning Joe had an equal number of conservatives and progressives around the table today.
Not one of them said Trump won, even though Joe had a conniption fit about how Trump didn't say he wouldn't accept the election results.
Which technically, he didn't .. but after spending a couple months yammering about how "rigged" it was - the underlying meaning was pretty clear.
All Trump has to say is he won't do anything Gore wouldn't do.
The Xl
10-20-2016, 12:15 PM
So, some polls we support, others we dismiss? Is that it?
Newpublius
10-20-2016, 12:16 PM
Yeah - Morning Joe had an equal number of conservatives and progressives around the table today.
Not one of them said Trump won, even though Joe had a conniption fit about how Trump didn't say he wouldn't accept the election results.
Which technically, he didn't .. but after spending a couple months yammering about how "rigged" it was - the underlying meaning was pretty clear.
Who is Morning Joe? (I 'work' right now so I don't watch TV)
All Trump has to say is he won't do anything Gore wouldn't do.
Gore accepted the SCOTUS decision with grace and dignity.
And remember Bush was the one who took it to Poppy's SCOTUS.
Hence "Bush v Gore"
Who is Morning Joe? (I 'work' right now so I don't watch TV)
Joe Scarborough (a conservative who likes to hear himself yell :~) - MSNBC 2-4 AM EST
nic34
10-20-2016, 12:19 PM
All Trump has to say is he won't do anything Gore wouldn't do.
Gore conceded graciously once the counting was over.
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,91845,00.html
(http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,91845,00.html)
So, some polls we support, others we dismiss? Is that it?
No - online polls are easy to manipulate and therefore worthless.
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Newpublius
10-20-2016, 12:26 PM
Joe Scarborough (a conservative who likes to hear himself yell :~) - MSNBC 2-4 AM EST
Oh, I've heard of Scarborough of course, I didn't know he has the 'Morning' moniker.....
Newpublius
10-20-2016, 12:26 PM
Gore conceded graciously once the counting was over.
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,91845,00.html
(http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,91845,00.html)
And Trump doesn't have an army.....so......point of course is that Gore saw a potential challenge and it wended its way through FL's courts all the way to the Supreme Court ultimately.
AZ Jim
10-20-2016, 01:57 PM
All Trump has to say is he won't do anything Gore wouldn't do.Gore didn't concede immediately but he didn't make such a declaration BEFORE the election. It's unprecedented.
Bethere
10-20-2016, 02:02 PM
So, some polls we support, others we dismiss? Is that it?
Yes.
pjohns
10-20-2016, 02:02 PM
Actually, it appears as if Donald Trump has moved ahead in the popular vote: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct20
Of course, it is the electoral vote that elects presidents; and there, Hillary Clinton maintains a substantial lead, I believe.
But we are now an enormously divided nation--much more so than in 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote, but George W. Bush edged him out in the Electoral College--so if the popular vote were to go one way, while the electoral vote were to go the other way, it seems doubtful that Hillary Clinton would ever be truly accepted as president. Especially if Donald Trump did not acknowledge the legitimacy of her victory.
At the very least, she would certainly lack a mandate to govern effectively...
Bethere
10-20-2016, 02:09 PM
Actually, it appears as if Donald Trump has moved ahead in the popular vote: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct20
Of course, it is the electoral vote that elects presidents; and there, Hillary Clinton maintains a substantial lead, I believe.
But we are now an enormously divided nation--much more so than in 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote, but George W. Bush edged him out in the Electoral College--so if the popular vote were to go one way, while the electoral vote were to go the other way, it seems doubtful that Hillary Clinton would ever be truly accepted as president. Especially if Donald Trump did not acknowledge the legitimacy of her victory.
At the very least, she would certainly lack a mandate to govern effectively...
Haha, you can only check their methodology/sample composition if you are a 'platinum member. '
Good times.
Of course there is this:
After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded thatRasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
pjohns
10-20-2016, 02:20 PM
And remember Bush was the one who took it to Poppy's SCOTUS.
Uh, just what, exactly, does "Poppy's SCOTUS" mean?
Would you care to elucidate, please?
pjohns
10-20-2016, 02:36 PM
Haha, you can only check their methodology/sample composition if you are a 'platinum member. '
Good times.
Of course there is this:
After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded thatRasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
Unlike you, I do not summarily dismiss any serious analyst. That is why I have bookmarked numerous political websites, including The Cook Political Report (by Charlie Cook); DickMorris.com (by Dick Morris); FiveThirtyEight (by Nate Silver); Sabato's Crystal Ball (by Larry Sabato); The Rothenberg & Gonzales Political Report (by Stuart Rothenberg and Nathan Gonzales); Roll Call (by various contributors); and RealClearPolitics (a compendium of different sources).
I believe that all of these are serious analysts--whichever way those in charge may lean.
But you apparently look only to those with whom you already agree...
nic34
10-20-2016, 02:47 PM
Dick Morris
LOL
maineman
10-20-2016, 02:47 PM
I tend to support polls that have solid scientific methodology, and tend to discount those that don't. I would think that all intelligent folks would have the same tendencies.
Crepitus
10-20-2016, 03:17 PM
So, some polls we support, others we dismiss? Is that it?
Depends on the method and questions.
"Do you think Donald Trump won the debate or do you think he's going to go tap dancing down wall Street in nothing but a pink tutu and ballet slippers?"
The Xl
10-20-2016, 03:33 PM
No - online polls are easy to manipulate and therefore worthless.
Vote - Dump Cookies - Vote Again!
I'd imagine controlled polls from biased media outlets are even easier to manipulate.
William
10-20-2016, 03:35 PM
We have debates at my school, and I'm on my house debate team. But they are totally different from what I saw on the box between Donald Trump and Mrs Clinton. We have three speakers in each team, and a set time to give our speech (a bell or buzzer goes when our time is up). We are not allowed to interrupt the speaker, and we are not allowed to make personal remarks about other speakers (but we are allowed to discredit the points they made). How can you call what I saw on the TV a 'debate'? They (and specially Trump) interrupted and shouted at each other, and ignored the moderator/adjudicator all the time! AFIK, that's not a debate - there's more structure in a rant from someone on a soap box in Hyde Park! :rollseyes:
maineman
10-20-2016, 03:35 PM
I'd imagine controlled polls from biased media outlets are even easier to manipulate.
you have a vivid imagination. what color is the sky in your imagined world?
TrueBlue
10-20-2016, 03:37 PM
We have debates at my school, and I'm on my house debate team. But they are totally different from what I saw on the box between Donald Trump and Mrs Clinton. We have three speakers in each team, and a set time to give our speech (a bell or buzzer goes when our time is up). We are not allowed to interrupt the speaker, and we are not allowed to make personal remarks about other speakers (but we are allowed to discredit the points they made). How can you call what I saw on the TV a 'debate'? They (and specially Trump) interrupted and shouted at each other, and ignored the moderator/adjudicator all the time! AFIK, that's not a debate - there's more structure in a rant from someone on a soap box in Hyde Park! :rollseyes:
Sure seems like your teachers could teach Donald Trump a thing or two about engaging in proper debate. :)
Uh, just what, exactly, does "Poppy's SCOTUS" mean?
Would you care to elucidate, please?
Poppy and Junior after him appointed some serious scumbags .. get ready for what's about to happen!!
:D
Beevee
10-20-2016, 04:51 PM
If he has one by a landslide, then it's a reversal in logic and Einstein's theory of general relativity needs to be reexamined for accuracy.
maineman
10-20-2016, 06:18 PM
Poppy and Junior after him appointed some serious scumbags .. get ready for what's about to happen!!
:D
Garland's nomination gets pulled and, the day after she's inaugurated, Hillary nominates Obama to SCOTUS to fill Scalia's seat. Suck on THAT, GOP. Suck on that.
Newpublius
10-20-2016, 06:35 PM
Garland's nomination gets pulled and, the day after she's inaugurated, Hillary nominates Obama to SCOTUS to fill Scalia's seat. Suck on THAT, GOP. Suck on that.
Actually I like Obama for Supreme Court given a Hillary pick. The only real issue is Obama's Presidency theoretically should compel him to recuse himself from a fair number of cases.
Garland's nomination gets pulled and, the day after she's inaugurated, Hillary nominates Obama to SCOTUS to fill Scalia's seat. Suck on THAT, GOP. Suck on that.
Oh Gawd - the exploding heads around here would be a sight to see!
:rofl:
Haha, you can only check their methodology/sample composition if you are a 'platinum member. '
Good times.
Of course there is this:
After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded thatRasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
Razzy has become a total embarrassment. They're so bad that Real Clear no longer includes them in their poll averages.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
MRogersNhood
10-21-2016, 10:13 AM
And Trump doesn't have an army.....so......point of course is that Gore saw a potential challenge and it wended its way through FL's courts all the way to the Supreme Court ultimately.
Gore actually won and Jeb! manipulated that election so that his brother won.
Then Jeb! threw his Supervisor of Elections under a speeding bus.
By the way, a vote for Hillary is a vote for the Bushes policies.
All those Ds and Rs don't mean anything when the UN,CFR, and Trilateral commission are who's pulling the strings.
Unlike you, I do not summarily dismiss any serious analyst. That is why I have bookmarked numerous political websites, including The Cook Political Report (by Charlie Cook); DickMorris.com (by Dick Morris); FiveThirtyEight (by Nate Silver); Sabato's Crystal Ball (by Larry Sabato); The Rothenberg & Gonzales Political Report (by Stuart Rothenberg and Nathan Gonzales); Roll Call (by various contributors); and RealClearPolitics (a compendium of different sources).
I believe that all of these are serious analysts--whichever way those in charge may lean.
But you apparently look only to those with whom you already agree...
Dick Morris - REALLY?
:biglaugh:
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/266027-prediction-romney-325-obama-213-
Depends on the method and questions.
"Do you think Donald Trump won the debate or do you think he's going to go tap dancing down wall Street in nothing but a pink tutu and ballet slippers?"
Razzy is 100% robocall at this point - and their questions are push-poll oriented with desired response baked in.
Your sample question isn't very far off. ;-)
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