How Liberals really feel about black people

[jimmyz]

Progressive leftist whites aren't racist at all.... not a bit. Below is 4 minutes of truth that we all need.



https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE

[resister]

So do all you forum lefttys think blacks don't know how to turn on a computer or get to the DMV?I bet cigar would take exception

[resister]

HELL I bet he even has a license

[exploited]

Ironically, NY is not one of the states that requires voter IDs.

[resister]

Ironically, NY is not one of the states that requires voter IDs.
Every state should.HELL if you gotta show it buy some beer why not?

[MRogersNhood]

You know,that's how I see it,too.These kids are just..dumbed down and repeating a mantra.

It is a long way from Berkely to NYC, though. :rofl:

[nathanbforrest45]

But they don't live in ghettos

[Cigar]

https://media.tenor.co/images/bd3a9db020a099e99d05b885db6d3818/raw (https://www.tenor.co/view/man-sportscenter-gif-4393007) How Long have you been Black?

[Cigar]

But they don't live in ghettos

I've lived in the exact same amount of ghettos Donald Trump has ... :laugh:

[resister]

https://media.tenor.co/images/bd3a9db020a099e99d05b885db6d3818/raw (https://www.tenor.co/view/man-sportscenter-gif-4393007) How Long have you been Black?I have a lot of tats,did you know tattooed people cum in all colors?

[MRogersNhood]

I've lived in the exact same amount of ghettos Donald Trump has ... :laugh:
That's apparent.

[nathanbforrest45]

You know,that's how I see it,too.These kids are just..dumbed down and repeating a mantra.


It is a long way from Berkely to NYC, though. :rofl:

Of course, but they are the one's driving the no id to vote movement.

[MRogersNhood]

Of course, but they are the one's driving the no id to vote movement.
The only reason someone would support that (No ID ) is to commit election fraud.

I'm pretty sure my state requires ID.

[nathanbforrest45]

The only reason someone would support that (No ID ) is to commit election fraud.

Actually, there is another reason. To bamboozle the gullible into thinking the Republicans are attempting to keep a group of "your people" from the polls. They all know they would have no problem voting but what about those "others" that the Republicans are keeping from the polls. We have to make sure we vote so those "others" are not disenfranchised by the evil Republicans.




I'm pretty sure my state requires ID.


Actually, there is another reason. To bamboozle the gullible into thinking the Republicans are attempting to keep a group of "your people" from the polls. They all know they would have no problem voting but what about those "others" that the Republicans are keeping from the polls. We have to make sure we vote so those "others" are not disenfranchised by the evil Republicans.

[MRogersNhood]

Actually, there is another reason. To bamboozle the gullible into thinking the Republicans are attempting to keep a group of "your people" from the polls. They all know they would have no problem voting but what about those "others" that the Republicans are keeping from the polls. We have to make sure we vote so those "others" are not disenfranchised by the evil Republicans.

I see,so it's a double-whammy for The DNC to be against voter ID laws,wow!
Cunning!

[nathanbforrest45]

Who has the constant narrative that "all blacks live in poverty" "All blacks live in subsidized housing" "All blacks are in the criminal justice system"???? It the liberals who want to split us into little subcultures so they can control our vote. We are not Americans, we are African Americans, or Women Americans, or Gay Americans, or Alien Americans, or Poor Americans.

[texan]

Every single person that voted when I did showed a Texas ID with no problem.

This is a manufactured outrage by the left. It doesn't even apply anymore.

[nathanbforrest45]

I see,so it's a double-whammy for The DNC to be against voter ID laws,wow!
Cunning!

You want to see this in action, just look at Cigar. He is an educated black man, who lives in a good neighborhood, drives a nice car, has a good job and better than average income and is married to a beautiful woman. Yet, somehow many of the other blacks he knows need big government to get them all of those benefits. He and only he can rise about the "racism" of "white privilege" and become successful. All of his brothers and sisters are too weak to have the benefits he does.

[resister]

Who has the constant narrative that "all blacks live in poverty" "All blacks live in subsidized housing" "All blacks are in the criminal justice system"???? It the liberals who want to split us into little subcultures so they can control our vote. We are not Americans, we are African Americans, or Women Americans, or Gay Americans, or Alien Americans, or Poor Americans.I allways wonder how someone who self identifies as "African American"understands that only applies to native born African immigrants

[Cigar]

Every single person that voted when I did showed a Texas ID with no problem.

This is a manufactured outrage by the left. It doesn't even apply anymore.

When I Voted last week ...

They didn't ask me for any ID, they asked for my Name and Address, then I was given a access code.

At my address only my Name can Vote once from either two locations.

[nathanbforrest45]

When I Voted last week ...

They didn't ask me for any ID, they asked for my Name and Address, then I was given a access code.

At my address only my Name can Vote once from either two locations.

But what if you were one of George Foreman's kids or even George Foreman himself?

[Cigar]

But what if you were one of George Forman's kids or even George Forman himself?

Only One gets to Vote .... if Daddy George didn't distinguish ... too bad only one of them will be able to Vote

[nathanbforrest45]

Only One gets to Vote .... if Daddy George didn't distinguish ... too bad only one of them will be able to Vote


If they had a voter id law they would all vote. Why are you so willing to disenfranchise them because they are all named George Edward Foreman?

[Tahuyaman]

Progressive leftist whites aren't racist at all.... not a bit. Below is 4 minutes of truth that we all need.



https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE


Liberals have always believed blacks are too stupid or lazy to survive on their own merits.

[Tahuyaman]

But what if you were one of George Foreman's kids or even George Foreman himself?

George, George Jr, George II, George III.......

[Cigar]

If they had a voter id law they would all vote. Why are you so willing to disenfranchise them because they are all named George Edward Foreman?

If all of them live at the same Address; say 7, then George Edward Foreman's can Vote totaling 7 ... do you care if one Votes 7 times?

Only 7 Vote will count ... zero impact to the Election, even if the individual registering one household with 7 George Edward Foreman is too stupid to make sure they have a unique ID :laugh:

[nathanbforrest45]

Liberals have always believed blacks are too stupid or lazy to survive on their own merits.


That includes liberals like Cigar. Look at his response above. Translated its "Well if George Foreman was too stupid to pick different names then his kids can't vote"

[Cigar]

George, George Jr, George II, George III.......

Exactly, a Data Base won't let you put in George Edward Foreman ... 7 times

[nathanbforrest45]

If all of them live at the same Address; say 7, then George Edward Foreman's can Vote totaling 7 ... do you care if one Votes 7 times?



Only 7 Vote will count ... zero impact to the Election, even if the individual registering one household with 7 George Edward Foreman is too stupid to make sure they have a unique ID :laugh:


Wait, what are you saying here. That one George Edward Foreman can vote seven times?

[MRogersNhood]

I allways wonder how someone who self identifies as "African American"understands that only applies to native born African immigrants
Me too. 'round here they say "Oh,he black!"

After 200+ years in America it's probably time to drop the "African" thing.

[MRogersNhood]

Wait, what are you saying here. That one George Edward Foreman can vote seven times?
There are 7 George Foremans in 1 house.

[Cigar]

That includes liberals like Cigar. Look at his response above. Translated its "Well if George Foreman was too stupid to pick different names then his kids can't vote"

Look you DS, it's not my fault you don't know how a DB work ... but keep digging ... it's fun to watch. :laugh:

Your hypothetical isn't hypothetical ... it doesn't exist :laugh:

[Chris]

Great video.

I wouldn't say whites, liberals, whatever, are racists, they just stereotype, and stereotype blacks as ignorant, stupid, unresourceful, incapable of taking care of themselves. By the comments of blacks in the video I'd say the whites are projecting.

Other night CNN talked about Trump and decided similar, he's not racist, but he stereotypes. Discussion then turned to whether Trump was anti-semitic. Same result, no, he just stereotypes. Dershowitz then laid into liberals from being anti-semitic and even BLM.

[Cigar]

There are 7 George Foremans in 1 house.

Notice how quickly the Topic is changed :laugh:

[resister]

Notice how quickly the Topic is changed :laugh:You have 7 TV'S:laugh:

[Safety]

Awww, dang...after all this time I heard that telling the truth wasn't racist, yet here we are, saying that someone who says minorities living in the inner city may not have the means to jump through hoops for voter ID, is being racist...


lawl.

[Cigar]

You have 7 TV'S:laugh:
Never watched all 7 at the same time ... but all have two tuner PIP :grin: so I got 14

[Tahuyaman]

Great video.

I wouldn't say whites, liberals, whatever, are racists, they just stereotype, and stereotype blacks as ignorant, stupid, unresourceful, incapable of taking care of themselves. By the comments of blacks in the video I'd say the whites are projecting.

Other night CNN talked about Trump and decided similar, he's not racist, but he stereotypes. Discussion then turned to whether Trump was anti-semitic. Same result, no, he just stereotypes. Dershowitz then laid into liberals from being anti-semitic and even BLM.


The stereotype has been programmed into these people through a liberal assault on our education system.

[nathanbforrest45]

There are 7 George Foremans in 1 house.


Yes, but according to Cigars original post only one George Foreman at that address would be allowed to vote.



When I Voted last week ...

They didn't ask me for any ID, they asked for my Name and Address, then I was given a access code.

At my address only my Name can Vote once from either two locations.








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[Chris]

You have 7 TV'S:laugh:

Seven days, seven more days she’ll be comin’
I’ll be waiting at the station for her to arrive
Seven more days, all I gotta do is survive...
--Bob Dylan, "Seven Days"

[MRogersNhood]

Never watched all 7 at the same time ... but all have two tuner PIP :grin: so I got 14
I bet George has at least 7. :rofl:

[MRogersNhood]

The stereotype has been programmed into these people through a liberal assault on our education system.
That's a fact and so scary.Somehow they've been brainwashed.

[nathanbforrest45]

Look you DS, it's not my fault you don't know how a DB work ... but keep digging ... it's fun to watch. :laugh:

Your hypothetical isn't hypothetical ... it doesn't exist :laugh:

Getting testy aren't we?

[Cletus]

Awww, dang...after all this time I heard that telling the truth wasn't racist, yet here we are, saying that someone who says minorities living in the inner city may not have the means to jump through hoops for voter ID, is being racist...

If they are unwilling to do what is necessary to get an ID to vote, they are highly unlikely to vote, anyway. And really, don't deserve to be allowed to vote.

[MRogersNhood]

Yes, but according to Cigars original post only one George Foreman at that address would be allowed to vote.



When I Voted last week ...

They didn't ask me for any ID, they asked for my Name and Address, then I was given a access code.

At my address only my Name can Vote once from either two locations.







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Well there is a problem in the Foreman household then. :bom:

[Safety]

If they are unwilling to do what is necessary to get an ID to vote, they are highly unlikely to vote, anyway. And really, don't deserve to be allowed to vote.

Take the same consideration and apply it to gun ownership. That should take care of any resistance to gun permits or licensing.

Oops, didn't see that one coming....

[Chris]

Awww, dang...after all this time I heard that telling the truth wasn't racist, yet here we are, saying that someone who says minorities living in the inner city may not have the means to jump through hoops for voter ID, is being racist...


lawl.


That was the stereotype of the liberals in the first half of the video. The second half told a different story, demonstrating those in the first half were clueless.

[resister]

Nice try but lame

[nathanbforrest45]

Awww, dang...after all this time I heard that telling the truth wasn't racist, yet here we are, saying that someone who says minorities living in the inner city may not have the means to jump through hoops for voter ID, is being racist...


lawl.


What we are saying is that its a lie Black's can't vote in this country and the entire attempt at requiring a photo id is racist. Blacks and and do have id's, They need some form of identification to even register to vote, to sign up for social security, to apply for government benefits, to get on an airplane. What is racist is these people claiming that blacks live in the inner city and are unable to get an id that will allow them to vote.

Like most liberals you have completely ignored the actual meaning of the video.

[Safety]

That was the stereotype of the liberals in the first half of the video. The second half told a different story, demonstrating those in the first half were clueless.

Sorta like the stereotype of the welfare queen or unarmed black man being a thug when shot by police....but we see how those stereotypes are not dismissed so easily...

[Safety]

What we are saying is that its a lie Black's can't vote in this country and the entire attempt at requiring a photo id is racist. Blacks and and do have id's, They need some form of identification to even register to vote, to sign up for social security, to apply for government benefits, to get on an airplane. What is racist is these people claiming that blacks live in the inner city and are unable to get an id that will allow them to vote.

Like most liberals you have completely ignored the actual meaning of the video.

Somehow, I can't find myself taking advice from a person who is on record calling blacks derogatory names, while pretending to be looking out for blacks best interest.

In other words....lulz.

[nathanbforrest45]

Take the same consideration and apply it to gun ownership. That should take care of any resistance to gun permits or licensing.

Oops, didn't see that one coming....


The difference is the Constitution allows the private ownership of guns. It does not guarantee the right to vote for all. It says you cannot use race or gender as a reason to prohibit voting but it does not say you MUST allow any and all to vote. Otherwise the entire idea of denying convicted felons the right to vote would have already been challenged and banned.

[MRogersNhood]

Sorta like the stereotype of the welfare queen or unarmed black man being a thug when shot by police....but we see how those stereotypes are not dismissed so easily...

Tripling down! Sweet!

[nathanbforrest45]

Somehow, I can't find myself taking advice from a person who is on record calling blacks derogatory names, while pretending to be looking out for blacks best interest.

In other words....lulz.

OK, just put me on ignore than and neither of us will have to put up with bullshit in the future

[Chris]

Sorta like the stereotype of the welfare queen or unarmed black man being a thug when shot by police....but we see how those stereotypes are not dismissed so easily...

Don't know, don't argue those. What I experience is citing Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell on how welfare incentivizes black women to favor single-mother homes and how not having a father around affects the kids, and having that dismissed as the old welfare queen argument, which dismissal is as much a stereotype as anything else.

[Safety]

The difference is the Constitution allows the private ownership of guns. It does not guarantee the right to vote for all. It says you cannot use race or gender as a reason to prohibit voting but it does not say you MUST allow any and all to vote. Otherwise the entire idea of denying convicted felons the right to vote would have already been challenged and banned.

You mean how felons lose their rights to own guns? Are we now treating the Constitution as an a la carte menu?

[Safety]

Don't know, don't argue those. What I experience is citing Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell on how welfare incentivizes black women to favor single-mother homes and how not having a father around affects the kids, and having that dismissed as the old welfare queen argument, which dismissal is as much a stereotype as anything else.

Appealing to authority aside, how do two black men counter the millions of other black opinions on the matter in regards to welfare? I mean, other than confirmation bias in the first place?

[resister]

You mean how felons lose their rights to own guns? Are we now treating the Constitution as an a la carte menu?
LIberals are ,its their specialty.Heck the WH probably has toilet paper with the constitution printed on it

[Safety]

OK, just put me on ignore than and neither of us will have to put up with bullshit in the future

You responded to me, remember?

[Common Sense]

This has all become so dumb...

[Safety]

LIberals are ,its their specialty.Heck the WH probably has toilet paper with the constitution printed on it

Usually in the english language, a sentence has a subject and predicate, and it would be nice if it followed some sort of logical thought. Wanna give it another shot?

[Chris]

Appealing to authority aside, how do two black men counter the millions of other black opinions on the matter in regards to welfare? I mean, other than confirmation bias in the first place?

Uh, I appeal to their arguments, nice try at identifying fallacies, but fail.

I wasn't aware all blacks had opinions based on data about the effects of welfare. Can you supply a link or are you just making it up as you go along, thereby confirming your biases?

[Cigar]

I always say the members here are well educated experts :laugh:

[Chris]

This has all become so dumb...

Typical SJW reaction to a video that reveals their own prejudices.

[jimmyz]

This has all become so dumb...

Canadians got it right -
Canada[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voter_ID_laws&action=edit&section=4)]Federal elections[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voter_ID_laws&action=edit&section=5)]In Canada, the Federal government mails an Elections Canada registration confirmation card, which the voter takes to the polling station. The card tells the individual where and when to vote. Voters must prove their identity and address with one of three options:[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws#cite_note-7)

Show one original government-issued piece of identification with photo, name and address, like a driver's license or a health card.
Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have a name and one must also have an address. Examples: student ID card, birth certificate, public transportation card, utility bill, bank/credit card statement, etc.
Take an oath and have an elector who knows the voter vouch for them (both of whom must make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as the voter. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector.


Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws#Canada

[Safety]

Uh, I appeal to their arguments, nice try at identifying fallacies, but fail.

I wasn't aware all blacks had opinions based on data about the effects of welfare. Can you supply a link or are you just making it up as you go along, thereby confirming your biases?

Every black person who has been on welfare would probably have an opinion about welfare, wouldn't you think so? Nice try at slipping a red herring into the conversation, I thought you really frowned upon that, or is it only when it happens to you? I hear google updated their fallacy list...

[Safety]

This has all become so dumb...

Wait for the SWJ name to be invoked.

[resister]

Usually in the english language, a sentence has a subject and predicate, and it would be nice if it followed some sort of logical thought. Wanna give it another shot?
I was replying to a question.Nice try but,YOUR FACE:grin:

[Safety]

I was replying to a question.Nice try but,YOUR FACE:grin:

....wow.

3rd grade?

[Cletus]

Take the same consideration and apply it to gun ownership. That should take care of any resistance to gun permits or licensing.

Oops, didn't see that one coming....

I didn't see it coming because it is not applicable. There are FAR more restrictions on purchasing firearms than there are on voting. Are you sure you want to apply firearms purchase regulations to voting?

It might not be a bad idea.

[Chris]

Every black person who has been on welfare would probably have an opinion about welfare, wouldn't you think so? Nice try at slipping a red herring into the conversation, I thought you really frowned upon that, or is it only when it happens to you? I hear google updated their fallacy list...

The point was how welfare affects family and in turn the kids growing up in the world around them.

Learn logic before trying fallacy spotting. Like everything from your "Nice try..." is merely fallacious argument from mockery.

[Safety]

I didn't see it coming because it is not applicable. There are FAR more restrictions on purchasing firearms than there are on voting. Are you sure you want to apply firearms purchase regulations to voting?

It might not be a bad idea.

Ah, but there are some who want no restrictions on the purchase and carrying of firearms, and if I'm not mistaken, you were one of those who were advocating for no restrictions on firearm possession. Let's not try to bring a strawman argument into it by saying voting should have the same restrictions as firearm permits.

[Safety]

The point was how welfare affects family and in turn the kids growing up in the world around them.

Learn logic before trying fallacy spotting. Like everything from your "Nice try..." is merely fallacious argument from mockery.

No, actually that was not the point, that was the point you wanted it to be. But like most things, it isn't about what you want, now is it? I think my spotting of fallacious arguments is pretty focused, as I can see you are engaging in ad hominem attacks, tsk, tsk, tsk.

[MRogersNhood]

No, actually that was not the point, that was the point you wanted it to be. But like most things, it isn't about what you want, now is it? I think my spotting of fallacious arguments is pretty focused, as I can see you are engaging in ad hominem attacks, tsk, tsk, tsk.

I think you're straying quite far from the topic of the video.

Which is:The people pushing the "No ID to vote" thing are absolutely clueless and prime examples of groupthink.

They aren't thinking for themselves at all,they've been programmed.
Well there's that and pointing out how absolutely wrong they are in their assumptions.

[Tahuyaman]

This thread has morphed from one which clearly shows the prejudiced and racist mind-set engrained into liberals, into one about the names George Foreman selected for his sons.

[nathanbforrest45]

This thread has morphed from one which clearly shows the prejudiced and racist mind-set engrained into liberals, into one about the names George Foreman selected for his sons.


No, you don't get it. Cigar claimed that all he had to do was tell them his name and address and then only that name from that address could vote. My point was that George Foreman named all of his sons the same thing. If that were true than only one George Foreman could vote so I believed there had to be more proof of who you were than that.

It had nothing to do with George Foreman per se, but the fact there could be multiple names at the same address.

[Chris]

This thread has morphed from one which clearly shows the prejudiced and racist mind-set engrained into liberals, into one about the names George Foreman selected for his sons.

Magicians good at misdirection.

[Tahuyaman]

Magicians good at misdirection.


It seems that creating a diversion is the go-to tactic here for the average left wing type. They all do it.

[nic34]

Holy shit... Jimmah just now found out people don't communicate.... they just Talk, Talk, Talk.... proly too busy on the twitface phone ....

[Mark III]

RE: The OP

Cherry picking and manipulation. But all such videos do this, on both sides.

[Safety]

RE: The OP

Cherry picking and manipulation. But all such videos do this, on both sides.

Well, you know...the obamaphone woman represents all blacks, this video represents all guilt ridden white libs, but the video of Donald talking about sexually assaulting women, now that is just lies.

[jimmyz]

Holy shit... Jimmah just now found out people don't communicate.... they just Talk, Talk, Talk.... proly too busy on the twitface phone ....

Translation please.

[Crepitus]

The only reason someone would support that (No ID ) is to commit election fraud.

I'm pretty sure my state requires ID.

Pretty sure? You are here ranting and raving about all things political day and night but you don't know your local election laws?

[MRogersNhood]

Pretty sure? You are here ranting and raving about all things political day and night but you don't know your local election laws?

I know they do.It's Florida.Look it up if you must.

[decedent]

Every state should.HELL if you gotta show it buy some beer why not?

Voting must be easy and unimpeded for it to work.

The same can't be said for buying beer.

[Crepitus]

The difference is the Constitution allows the private ownership of guns. It does not guarantee the right to vote for all. It says you cannot use race or gender as a reason to prohibit voting but it does not say you MUST allow any and all to vote. Otherwise the entire idea of denying convicted felons the right to vote would have already been challenged and banned.

“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged . . . .”

15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments.

Four times. Three times more than the right to keep and bear arms.

[Crepitus]

You mean how felons lose their rights to own guns? Are we now treating the Constitution as an a la carte menu?

Conservatives often do.

[Crepitus]

I know they do.It's Florida.Look it up if you must.

Why? I'm betting you just did. lol

[Cletus]

Ah, but there are some who want no restrictions on the purchase and carrying of firearms, and if I'm not mistaken, you were one of those who were advocating for no restrictions on firearm possession. Let's not try to bring a strawman argument into it by saying voting should have the same restrictions as firearm permits.

You were the one who brought the firearms restrictions into the discussions.

Let me simplify this for you. If somebody got hold of one of your personal checks and took it to a branch bank where you were not known personally, you would hope the bank would require proof of identity before they gave the guy YOUR money, would you not?

All voter ID laws are doing is asking the same thing. They are not setting criteria for voting. All they are doing is requiring you to prove that you are in fact you before they allow someone to cast YOUR vote to help decide the future of the country.
What exactly, do you see wrong with that?

[resister]

Voting must be easy and unimpeded for it to work.

The same can't be said for buying beer.
I actually agree!!

[resister]

....wow.

3rd grade?No 4th grade...grow up Safety

[Safety]

You were the one who brought the firearms restrictions into the discussions.

Let me simplify this for you. If somebody got hold of one of your personal checks and took it to a branch bank where you were not known personally, you would hope the bank would require proof of identity before they gave the guy YOUR money, would you not?

All voter ID laws are doing is asking the same thing. They are not setting criteria for voting. All they are doing is requiring you to prove that you are in fact you before they allow someone to cast YOUR vote to help decide the future of the country.
What exactly, do you see wrong with that?

Yes, I brought it up to draw a parallel between two rights guaranteed by the Constitution. You want more restrictions placed on voting, so don't be upset when others want more restrictions placed on owning a firearm.

And yes, I am very familiar how "upfront" some are in regards to their reasonings for "wanting to make sure people are who they are when voting" just like poll taxes were used to make sure the "right" people were the only ones casting a vote.

[Dr. Who]

The largest demographic of people lacking a photo ID in Amerca are the elderly and elderly blacks are a significant proportion of that number. The latter are not generally living in places like NYC but in the rural south. Most don't even have a birth certificate because they were not born in hospitals and their births were never registered or if they were registered the name was often misspelled by illiterate midwives. This also applies to a number of whites born at home in impoverished circumstances on rural farms. Getting photo ID when you are elderly and have no proof of birth is not a simple task, particularly if you are basically illiterate, and let's face many people born in the 20's, 30's and 40's in the rural south either never went to school or didn't go beyond the age of 10 because they were needed on the farm.

[Cletus]

The largest demographic of people lacking a photo ID in Amerca are the elderly and elderly blacks are a significant proportion of that number. The latter are not generally living in places like NYC but in the rural south. Most don't even have a birth certificate because they were not born in hospitals and their births were never registered or if they were registered the name was often misspelled by illiterate midwives. This also applies to a number of whites born at home in impoverished circumstances on rural farms. Getting photo ID when you are elderly and have no proof of birth is not a simple task, particularly if you are basically illiterate, and let's face many people born in the 20's, 30's and 40's in the rural south either never went to school or didn't go beyond the age of 10 because they were needed on the farm.

Nonsense.

[Safety]

The largest demographic of people lacking a photo ID in Amerca are the elderly and elderly blacks are a significant proportion of that number. The latter are not generally living in places like NYC but in the rural south. Most don't even have a birth certificate because they were not born in hospitals and their births were never registered or if they were registered the name was often misspelled by illiterate midwives. This also applies to a number of whites born at home in impoverished circumstances on rural farms. Getting photo ID when you are elderly and have no proof of birth is not a simple task, particularly if you are basically illiterate, and let's face many people born in the 20's, 30's and 40's in the rural south either never went to school or didn't go beyond the age of 10 because they were needed on the farm.

My late grandmother on both sides fit that description. I suspect many here know it to be true, but they refuse to consider it. They rather dump the baby with the bath water.

[Cletus]

Yes, I brought it up to draw a parallel between two rights guaranteed by the Constitution. You want more restrictions placed on voting, so don't be upset when others want more restrictions placed on owning a firearm.

I don't want any more restrictions on voting. All I want is to know that when someone who identifies himself as "Safety" at the polls is really "Safety" before he casts "Safety's" vote.

And yes, I am very familiar how "upfront" some are in regards to their reasonings for "wanting to make sure people are who they are when voting" just like poll taxes were used to make sure the "right" people were the only ones casting a vote.

Wow. Do you cry yourself to sleep at night? Do you dream about the "Evil White Man" hiding under the bed?

What a fucked up, pathetic way to live.

[Safety]

I don't want any more restrictions on voting. All I want is to know that when someone who identifies himself as "Safety" at the polls is really "Safety" before he casts "Safety's" vote.


Wow. Do you cry yourself to sleep at night? Do you dream about the "Evil White Man" hiding under the bed?

What a fucked up, pathetic way to live.

Yes, gun permit laws are in place to make sure the people who own guns are proficient in using those weapons.

Upset at history? Your efforts to whitewash it is not gaining the traction you hope it would?

[AeonPax]

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Good video makes a good point.

[Dr. Who]

Nonsense.
Care to elaborate, because during the Jim Crow era, blacks were not allowed in white hospitals and there weren't always black hospitals in rural areas hence many blacks born before the Civil Rights Act never had a birth certificate and unless they had reason to get one when they were younger, would not have one now. Presumably, those who maintained a driver's license would have upgraded to photo ID with no need for a BC, but any who either stopped driving before photo ID or never had a DL, would have no ID, particularly if they have no government income.

[Cletus]

Yes, gun permit laws are in place to make sure the people who own guns are proficient in using those weapons.

Okay. Using that rationale, why should there not be laws in place to make sure that people who vote are competent to do so, or at least are who they claim to be?


Upset at history? Your efforts to whitewash it is not gaining the traction you hope it would?

Whitewash what?

Did you ever have to pay a "Poll Tax"?

I already know the answer. You are whining about things YOU never experienced. I really don't care about the history of poll taxes or any of the other nonsense you incessantly whine about. I care about what is happening today and what is going to happen in the future.

If you want to live in the past and pretend you are somehow being wronged by "Whitey", go right ahead.

[Cletus]

Care to elaborate, because during the Jim Crow era, blacks were not allowed in white hospitals and there weren't always black hospitals in rural areas hence many blacks born before the Civil Rights Act never had a birth certificate and unless they had reason to get one when they were younger, would not have one now. Presumably, those who maintained a driver's license would have upgraded to photo ID with no need for a BC, but any who either stopped driving before photo ID or never had a DL, would have no ID, particularly if they have no government income.

You are trying to create an issue where none exists. Any such problems are so minor as to not even merit consideration. A simple affidavit, verification through relatives, or any of a hundred other things could be done to make that a nonissue. It is the same tired excuse people have been using for years. It didn't have any merit the first time it was brought up and it has none now.

There is not a person in the country whose identity the state could not verify and issue a voter ID if that person is eligible.

[Safety]

Okay. Using that rationale, why should there not be laws in place to make sure that people who vote are competent to do so, or at least are who they claim to be?



Whitewash what?

Did you ever have to pay a "Poll Tax"?

I already know the answer. You are whining about things YOU never experienced. I really don't care about the history of poll taxes or any of the other nonsense you incessantly whine about. I care about what is happening today and what is going to happen in the future.

If you want to live in the past and pretend you are somehow being wronged by "Whitey", go right ahead.

I never was rounded up and placed into a gas chamber, nor was I driven off my land for the pleasure of immigrants to "discover" it, but yet I understand what happened so that if I see someone trying to exert the same actions, I would reconize the end game and nip it in the bud. Why that is so foreign to some, is truly a mystery. They can envision what the forefathers were thinking and how they wanted the future to be, but are absolutely ignorant to a history in which a demographic different than theirs was oppressed.

[Safety]

You are trying to create an issue where none exists. Any such problems are so minor as to not even merit consideration. A simple affidavit, verification through relatives, or any of a hundred other things could be done to make that a nonissue. It is the same tired excuse people have been using for years. It didn't have any merit the first time it was brought up and it has none now.

There is not a person in the country whose identity the state could not verify and issue a voter ID if that person is eligible.

Riding in the back of a bus would probably be considered "minor" to some....having to move out of the way of a white person walking down the sidewalk, would probably be considered "minor" to some....

[Cletus]

I never was rounded up and placed into a gas chamber, nor was I driven off my land for the pleasure of immigrants to "discover" it, but yet I understand what happened so that if I see someone trying to exert the same actions, I would reconize the end game and nip it in the bud. Why that is so foreign to some, is truly a mystery. They can envision what the forefathers were thinking and how they wanted the future to be, but are absolutely ignorant to a history in which a demographic different than theirs was oppressed.

So, you are saying that voter ID laws are deliberately targeting minorities to make it more difficult for them to vote?

That is funny. You are either really paranoid or totally clueless.

[Safety]

So, you are saying that voter ID laws are deliberately targeting minorities to make it more difficult for them to vote?

That is funny. You are either really paranoid or totally clueless.

Take the mindset of the time of poll taxes, then juxtapose it with the mindset of those who are advocating for voter ID, one would see a very telling slope on the graph.

[Cletus]

Riding in the back of a bus would probably be considered "minor" to some....having to move out of the way of a white person walking down the sidewalk, would probably be considered "minor" to some....

You are pathetic. I actually feel sorry for you... and contemptuous at the same time. We are talking a "proof of identity", nothing more.

[del]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYPJOCxSUFc

[Cletus]

Take the mindset of the time of poll taxes, then juxtapose it with the mindset of those who are advocating for voter ID, one would see a very telling slope on the graph.

More nonsense.

You better watch out for those "racists". They are around every corner. They are coming to get you. :grin:

[Cletus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYPJOCxSUFc

Okay, you picked up a hooker on 7th Avenue.

Are you trying to impress someone?

[del]

Okay, you picked up a hooker on 7th Avenue.

Are you trying to impress someone?

i don't expect much from you, aptly, and you always deliver.


carry on

[Safety]

You are pathetic. I actually feel sorry for you... and contemptuous at the same time. We are talking a "proof of identity", nothing more.

No need to feel sorry, my parents also taught me to be kind to ignorant people.

[Safety]

More nonsense.

You better watch out for those "racists". They are around every corner. They are coming to get you. :grin:


Is that what you have been reduced to? You do realize that it just strengthens my argument, right?

[Cletus]

Is that what you have been reduced to? You do realize that it just strengthens my argument, right?

All it does is show you how ridiculous I think you are. You whine about things that never happened to you and will never happen to anyone again. You take simple things like asking people (not just Black People) to show proof of identity before voting and try to make it out to be a covert attempt to repeal the 13th Amendment.

You are just making a fool of yourself and since you are not dead, you shouldn't mind me pointing it out.

[Dr. Who]

You are trying to create an issue where none exists. Any such problems are so minor as to not even merit consideration. A simple affidavit, verification through relatives, or any of a hundred other things could be done to make that a nonissue. It is the same tired excuse people have been using for years. It didn't have any merit the first time it was brought up and it has none now.

There is not a person in the country whose identity the state could not verify and issue a voter ID if that person is eligible.
Simple for you, but I presume you are not elderly, illiterate and very poor. It costs money to obtain proof of identity. I haven't heard of any state trying to make the process free.

[Safety]

All it does is show you how ridiculous I think you are. You whine about things that never happened to you and will never happen to anyone again. You take simple things like asking people (not just Black People) to show proof of identity before voting and try to make it out to be a covert attempt to repeal the 13th Amendment.

You are just making a fool of yourself and since you are not dead, you shouldn't mind me pointing it out.

Yes, I once thought it was pretty silly...the past is in the past and people should be congnizant of the history, but move on as one country. Then I read posts from strangers on the net, which are allowed to speak more free than if one was face to face in fear of repucussion, and some of the things I read makes me realize that the mindset that existed which allowed slavery in the first place, then Jim Crow, and required a constitutional amendment to just allow them to vote, is still pretty ingrained in society. So, while I'm sure you think you are the final authority on how society should be, in my humble opinion, you are left wanting.

[MRogersNhood]

Why? I'm betting you just did. lol

I expected something with more substance.Now I'm just disappointed. :(

[Crepitus]

I expected something with more substance.Now I'm just disappointed. :(

Nice attempt at cover.

[MRogersNhood]

Nice attempt at cover.
Cover? I genuinely expected more from you.You clearly have the capability,so what's up? Y U bein lazy?

I can cover my statements all day long.

[Crepitus]

Cover? I genuinely expected more from you.You clearly have the capability,so what's up? Y U bein lazy?

I can cover my statements all day long.

I made the point I wanted to make. That's all there is to it.

[silvereyes]

George, George Jr, George II, George III.......

Georgina, Georgette, etc...

[MRogersNhood]

I made the point I wanted to make. That's all there is to it.

Al-righty then! Have a wonderful night.

[silvereyes]

Typical SJW reaction to a video that reveals their own prejudices.

How so? He said ALL.

[MRogersNhood]

Georgina, Georgette, etc...
You also have a good night.Remember people;No matter your party affiliation or whatever:We're still All Americans.
Now if you vote for the detriment of us or the betterment of us.Just do whatever you think is better for all of us.
And I hope you're not the kids in that video from earlier.Geez,who's paying their tuition?
One more thing: Who's paying for their books?

[AeonPax]

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I haven't seen one iota of proof and evidence via research, that the problem of blacks without ID's presents a national problem. All I see is oft repeated rhetoric.

[silvereyes]

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I haven't seen one iota of proof and evidence via research, that the problem of blacks without ID's presents a national problem. All I see is oft repeated rhetoric.

Which way? :)

[AeonPax]

Which way? :)
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I've been following the Wisconsin case on voter ID's. A federal judge put a "stay" on WI's ID law in regards to showing an ID when voting. To wit;
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This restriction imposes a substantial burden on the right to vote by requiring photo identification that many voters do not have, and that many voters cannot easily obtain, in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution. - source (https://www.aclu.org/cases/frank-v-walker-fighting-voter-suppression-wisconsin)
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Their legal rationale is;
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"The law has a disproportionate impact on black and Latino voters, who are twice as likely to lack photo ID accepted for voting in Wisconsin compared to white voters."
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The "stay" or temporary injunction, in itself, is acceptable jurisprudence but does not decide the case, only stall the law until the case goes to actual court. It gets complicated after that as SCOTUS denied (http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/frank-v-walker/) the first lawsuit certiorari (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/certiorari) which was decided by the 7th Circuit court. So they refiled the suit and in the meantime, a stay was enacted.
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What the ACLU has yet to do is prove to the court that in fact;
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"Whether [the] state’s voter ID law violates the Equal Protection Clause where, unlike in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, the evidentiary record establishes that the law substantially burdens the voting rights of hundreds of thousands of the state’s voters, and that the law does not advance a legitimate state interest; and (2) whether a state’s voter ID law violates Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act where the law disproportionately burdens and abridges the voting rights of African-American and Latino voters compared to White voters."





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Assuming the ACLU has such bona fide proof I'd just like to see it. As I said, all I've seen is people repeating the same story without offering any evidence to back their claim. I can live with it both ways but the video brings up a good point; in all my experience, except for once, I have never seen a black, specifically an elderly black, without some kind of legal identification. In WI, low income people can get state ID's for free. Moreover, at least in WI, I have not seen any evidence that an ID law for voting interferes with the voting privilege. The "right to vote" is not explicitly stated in the US constitution. All the amendments say is that it is illegal to prevent voting. At issue is does producing an ID to vote violate the 15th amendment? That has yet to be decided, in Wisconsin's case.

[Cletus]

Simple for you, but I presume you are not elderly, illiterate and very poor. It costs money to obtain proof of identity. I haven't heard of any state trying to make the process free.

Yeah, here in my state, if you are 75 or older, there is no fee. If you are under 75, the fee is 10 Dollars for 4 years and 18 Dollars for 8 years. I am sure they set those horrendous fees with the intent to deny anyone who is not independently wealthy a state issued ID.

[patrickt]

You know,that's how I see it,too.These kids are just..dumbed down and repeating a mantra.
It is a long way from Berkely to NYC, though. :rofl:

It is actually what they're being taught in school. If you're white you're guilty of all sorts of sins and if you're not white then you are by definition a victim. What they absolutely don't teach is that we're all Americans.

[Safety]

It is actually what they're being taught in school. If you're white you're guilty of all sorts of sins and if you're not white then you are by definition a victim. What they absolutely don't teach is that we're all Americans.

I'll have to remember that the next time some "people" riot and burn their neighborhood, and other "people" occupy a bird shack. One is supported and called 'muricans, the other are called thugs. But you're right, we're all Americans.... :rollseyes:

[MRogersNhood]

It is actually what they're being taught in school. If you're white you're guilty of all sorts of sins and if you're not white then you are by definition a victim. What they absolutely don't teach is that we're all Americans.


That's insanity.

[MRogersNhood]

Yeah, here in my state, if you are 75 or older, there is no fee. If you are under 75, the fee is 10 Dollars for 4 years and 18 Dollars for 8 years. I am sure they set those horrendous fees with the intent to deny anyone who is not independently wealthy a state issued ID.
They actually have horrendous fees where I live.
ID is expensive,tags are expensive;Fishing and hunting licenses are not as cheap as they used to be.

[Common Sense]

The video is silly because it takes place where it's not an issue. The issue effects more rural and poorer areas where some blacks don't have drivers licences.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/18/voter-id-poor-black-americans

[MRogersNhood]

The video is silly because it takes place where it's not an issue. The issue effects more rural and poorer areas where some blacks don't have drivers licences.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/18/voter-id-poor-black-americans

How many blacks live within 10 miles of you?

[Common Sense]

How many blacks live within 10 miles of you?

In Toronto blacks represent about 9% of the population. So around 200,000 plus. What does that have to do with anything?

[Chris]

The video is silly because it takes place where it's not an issue. The issue effects more rural and poorer areas where some blacks don't have drivers licences.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/18/voter-id-poor-black-americans


You're missing the point which was how whites, some, stereotype blacks as basically incapable of voting without those whites standing up for them.

[Common Sense]

You're missing the point which was how whites, some, stereotype blacks as basically incapable of voting without those whites standing up for them.


I concede that some liberal whites may feel that way, but if anything it's misguided empathy. They don't think they are inferior. They think they've been fucked over.

A cherry picked video certainly wont convince me...

[MRogersNhood]

In Toronto blacks represent about 9% of the population. So around 200,000 plus. What does that have to do with anything?
Oh,that's not far from Detroit. :rofl:

[MRogersNhood]

I concede that some liberal whites may feel that way, but if anything it's misguided empathy. They don't think they are inferior. They think they've been $#@!ed over.

A cherry picked video certainly wont convince me...

Dude,hard evidence and your own eyewitness account wouldn't convince you.

[resister]

The video is silly because it takes place where it's not an issue. The issue effects more rural and poorer areas where some blacks don't have drivers licences.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/18/voter-id-poor-black-americans
Whats hard about getting an ID?It racist to assume blacks are somehow not able to do such a simple thing

[exploited]

The problem isn't voter ID laws, in my opinion. The problem is that racist Republicans are designing those laws with the intention of suppressing the black vote. Make getting them free, quick and painless, and actually put money into going out into black communities and getting people ID, and I would support it. But we know that isn't going to happen. Because while the base might view this as a simple matter of electoral security, the scheming, racist idiots that base elects are pretty open about what they are trying to do.

[Chris]

I concede that some liberal whites may feel that way, but if anything it's misguided empathy. They don't think they are inferior. They think they've been fucked over.

A cherry picked video certainly wont convince me...

Right, the video selected whites who stereotype blacks in a way most wouldn't consider prejudicial but actually is. It's not all whites.

[resister]

The problem isn't voter ID laws, in my opinion. The problem is that racist Republicans are designing those laws with the intention of suppressing the black vote. Make getting them free, quick and painless, and actually put money into going out into black communities and getting people ID, and I would support it. But we know that isn't going to happen. Because while the base might view this as a simple matter of electoral security, the scheming, racist idiots that base elects are pretty open about what they are trying to do.
Then maybe we should go to there house,give them there ID and 20$ for there inconviniance.So if they get IDed at the store is it racist?

[Crepitus]

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I haven't seen one iota of proof and evidence via research, that the problem of blacks without ID's presents a national problem. All I see is oft repeated rhetoric.

I haven't seen one iota of proof and evidence via research, that the problem of in-person voter fraud presents a national problem. All I see is oft repeated rhetoric.

[Crepitus]

That's insanity.

It's also a lie.

[Crepitus]

The video is silly because it takes place where it's not an issue. The issue effects more rural and poorer areas where some blacks don't have drivers licences.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/18/voter-id-poor-black-americans

That and because it's just like those old "jaywalking" videos. leading questions, clever editing, and only show the ones that support your viewpoint.

Entertainment value only.

[Chris]

I haven't seen one iota of proof and evidence via research, that the problem of in-person voter fraud presents a national problem. All I see is oft repeated rhetoric.

Then again consider all the laws that exist to protect the people from potential danger. Speed limits. Food and drug laws. Taxi medallions. Anti-trust laws. The list is endless.

[Common Sense]

Whats hard about getting an ID?It racist to assume blacks are somehow not able to do such a simple thing

Yeah, don't bother reading the links.

[resister]

I haven't seen one iota of proof and evidence via research, that the problem of in-person voter fraud presents a national problem. All I see is oft repeated rhetoric.
If I gotta have a license to go catch GODS fish,why on earth would you not need one to vote?I got a 78 $ ticket for not having one.If I was black would that be racist?

[Crepitus]

You're missing the point which was how whites, some, stereotype blacks as basically incapable of voting without those whites standing up for them.

So? Some of us think the same thing about white rednecks and hillbillies. What's your point?

[Crepitus]

Then again consider all the laws that exist to protect the people from potential danger. Speed limits. Food and drug laws. Taxi medallions. Anti-trust laws. The list is endless.

We've got one. Right outta the constitution, in four different places with the exact same working in fact. The 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments all say “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged . . . ."

Do we need anything else?

[Chris]

We've got one. Right outta the constitution, in four different places with the exact same working in fact. The 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments all say “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged . . . ."

Do we need anything else?


Requiring an ID doesn't violate the Constitution.

[Chris]

So? Some of us think the same thing about white rednecks and hillbillies. What's your point?

That was my point. Prejudice is expressed in many ways. Just because someone sides with a cause you find righteous doesn't mean they aren't also prejudiced.

[Crepitus]

If I gotta have a license to go catch GOD'S fish,why on earth would you not need one to vote? I got a 78 $ ticket for not having one. If I was black would that be racist?

HMMM, maybe that means they ain't god's fish?

Second part of that is just nonsense race-baiting.

[Crepitus]

Requiring an ID doesn't violate the Constitution.

“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged . . . ."

[Chris]

“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged . . . ."

Requiring an ID doesn't do that.

[Safety]

I concede that some liberal whites may feel that way, but if anything it's misguided empathy. They don't think they are inferior. They think they've been fucked over.

A cherry picked video certainly wont convince me...

Ever get the feeling that some of these arguments made in 2016, sound exactly like the arguments made against civil rights and desegregation? I mean, reading historical documents and talking to my grandparents before they passed, nothing has really changed in the way some people think. Yea, they don't call them "nig*** lovers" today, but whenever you hear the term "SJW or white guilt ridden liberal" you know what it's in reference to.

[nic34]

More nonsense.

You better watch out for those "racists". They are around every corner. They are coming to get you. :grin:

You are running out of but, but, but arguments with every post.....nice work.

[Safety]

Requiring an ID doesn't do that.

History doesn't seem to agree with you, considering many thought poll taxes were constitutional.

[resister]

HMMM, maybe that means they ain't god's fish?

Second part of that is just nonsense race-baiting.No it aint,you just don't want to address it.As to your first part I had a hunch you are an atheist

[nic34]

Requiring an ID doesn't do that.

And that is only necessary one time. After that it is suppressing the vote.

[Crepitus]

Requiring an ID doesn't do that.

Come on man, don't play like that. You've been here the whole threads as well. You know that that is the contention on the whole issue. It makes it more difficult for a certain segment of the population to vote. THAT is unconstitutional.

[MRogersNhood]

That and because it's just like those old "jaywalking" videos. leading questions, clever editing, and only show the ones that support your viewpoint.

Entertainment value only.
I'm aware of that.

[Crepitus]

No it aint,you just don't want to address it.As to your first part I had a hunch you are an atheist

Well yea, I am a reasoning being with a decent education.

And yea, it is.

[resister]

Come on man, don't play like that. You've been here the whole threads as well. You know that that is the contention on the whole issue. It makes it more difficult for a certain segment of the population to vote. THAT is unconstitutional.
So a fishing license is also unconstitutional?

[Crepitus]

So a fishing license is also unconstitutional?

Is there a "right to keep and bear fish" somewhere in the constitution?

[MRogersNhood]

So a fishing license is also unconstitutional?

In my book,unless you're a commercial fisherman,yes.

[MRogersNhood]

Is there a "right to keep and bear fish" somewhere in the constitution?
I bet if they only knew what would happen there would be.Game, too.

[resister]

Is there a "right to keep and bear fish" somewhere in the constitution?
Nice dodge

[Safety]

So a fishing license is also unconstitutional?

Seeing how one is not required on your own property, the revenue of such a license is to pay for the upkeep of the facility you are wanting to use. Do you always advocate for using something that isn't yours for free? What ever happened to personal responsibility and all that jazz?

[Crepitus]

Nice dodge

Not a dodge, a question. You know you don't need a license if you own the property right? Only if you are using public property, which the public pays to maintain.

[Crepitus]

Seeing how one is not required on your own property, the revenue of such a license is to pay for the upkeep of the facility you are wanting to use. Do you always advocate for using something that isn't yours for free? What ever happened to personal responsibility and all that jazz?

Oh, that's only for non republicans man. You can't expect these guys to think of all this stuff and abide by it at the same time can you?

[Safety]

Oh, that's only for non republicans man. You can't expect these guys to think of all this stuff and abide by it at the same time can you?

It's just funny to watch them all doublespeak and try to ad hom their way out of being hypocritical.

[resister]

Seeing how one is not required on your own property, the revenue of such a license is to pay for the upkeep of the facility you are wanting to use. Do you always advocate for using something that isn't yours for free? What ever happened to personal responsibility and all that jazz?Last time I checked the peace river maintains itself just fine,like it has since before mankind showed up.

[Chris]

Come on man, don't play like that. You've been here the whole threads as well. You know that that is the contention on the whole issue. It makes it more difficult for a certain segment of the population to vote. THAT is unconstitutional.

I don't play, stop projecting. I understand that is your contention that it somehow makes voting difficult. Understand it is my contention requiring an ID does not interfere with voting.

[Chris]

It's just funny to watch them all doublespeak and try to ad hom their way out of being hypocritical.

You mean like you just did? Why not stick to arguing the topic and leave off talking about posters?

[Common Sense]

I don't play, stop projecting. I understand that is your contention that it somehow makes voting difficult. Understand it is my contention requiring an ID does not interfere with voting.

Yet the studies on the subject say you're wrong.

The video is about as valid as me posting a bunch of Republicans saying racist things and my thread title being...How Republicans really feel about black people.

[Safety]

You mean like you just did? Why not stick to arguing the topic and leave off talking about posters?

Be careful getting off the horse you are riding, it looks to be pretty high.

[resister]

It's just funny to watch them all doublespeak and try to ad hom their way out of being hypocritical.
That's pretty funny,you support fishing licenses but not voter ID

[Ethereal]

Leftists have no problem making people get licenses and IDs for everything under the sun EXCEPT voting.

Hmmmmm, I wonder why that is.

[Safety]

That's pretty funny,you support fishing licenses but not voter ID

Really?

[MRogersNhood]

Seeing how one is not required on your own property, the revenue of such a license is to pay for the upkeep of the facility you are wanting to use. Do you always advocate for using something that isn't yours for free? What ever happened to personal responsibility and all that jazz?
I hate to say it,it actually pains me.Safety has a very valid point there.

[Safety]

Rightists have to use hyperbole in order for their argument to make any sense.

[resister]

I hate to say it,it actually pains me.Safety has a very valid point there.I fish in the wilderness.i have not noticed one maintenance man

[Safety]

I hate to say it,it actually pains me.Safety has a very valid point there.

It'll get easier once you realize I'm not the enemy you think I am.

[nathanbforrest45]

Yet the studies on the subject say you're wrong.

The video is about as valid as me posting a bunch of Republicans saying racist things and my thread title being...How Republicans really feel about black people.


What is required in Canada to vote? Can I come to Montreal and vote in your next election? Why not?

Oh my. Look here. You need to have proof of identity before you can register to vote in Canada and you must bring your card with you!!


How do I vote if I do not get a Voter Information Card?If you are not on the National Register of Electors and did not receive a Voter Information Card, and you want to add your name to the list before election day, you must ask your local returning officer (http://findlink.at/polling) for a registration form in person, or by telephone, fax or mail.
If your name is not listed in the National Register of Electors on election day, you must show proof of identity and residence (http://findlink.at/votedocs):

A copy of 1 document that shows your name, address and signature (such as a driver's licence); or
Copies of 2 identity documents: 1 with your name and address, 1 with at least your name (such as your health card and hydro bill).
Your voter notification card cannot be used as identification. See examples of acceptable identification (http://findlink.at/votedocs).
If you do not have acceptable identification, you must swear an oath (http://findlink.at/voteoath) before you can get a ballot.

[MRogersNhood]

It'll get easier once you realize I'm not the enemy you think I am.

You were sure quadrupling down on the wrong side of things last night.

[MRogersNhood]

I fish in the wilderness.i have not noticed one maintenance man
Then again I don't think you should have to pay the government to catch a fish or take a deer.
That's micromanagement on a large scale level.

[Safety]

Yet the studies on the subject say you're wrong.

The video is about as valid as me posting a bunch of Republicans saying racist things and my thread title being...How Republicans really feel about black people.

But, when Cigar posts that thread, he is labeled a race baiter...and the comments in the thread would be about him and not the topic, funny how the opposite doesn't ring true. I don't mean funny as in ha-ha, but more like f'kin sad and too obvious to ignore.

[Safety]

You were sure quadrupling down on the wrong side of things last night.

Wrong in your perspective. Big difference.

[resister]

But, when Cigar posts that thread, he is labeled a race baiter...and the comments in the thread would be about him and not the topic, funny how the opposite doesn't ring true. I don't mean funny as in ha-ha, but more like f'kin sad and too obvious to ignore.
You mean like crepitus labled me as race baiting?

[del]

Seeing how one is not required on your own property, the revenue of such a license is to pay for the upkeep of the facility you are wanting to use. Do you always advocate for using something that isn't yours for free? What ever happened to personal responsibility and all that jazz?

cliven bundy

[Safety]

You mean like crepitus labled me as race baiting?

Probably, didn't notice.

[resister]

Probably, didn't notice.I know,you tend to notice very little that doesn't support your veiws

[Safety]

I know,you tend to notice very little that doesn't support your veiws

Pretty serious accusation from someone who has only been registered for two weeks.

[Safety]

cliven bundy

For the win.

[resister]

Pretty serious accusation from someone who has only been registered for two weeks.
It was readily apparent

[del]

^
http://www.clipartkid.com/images/314/whirligigs-hankie-dolls-rag-strips-sock-puppets-evEdRA-clipart.jpg

[Safety]

It was readily apparent

Sure, like learning to weld by reading.

[resister]

^
http://www.clipartkid.com/images/314/whirligigs-hankie-dolls-rag-strips-sock-puppets-evEdRA-clipart.jpgNice self portrait del

[del]

Nice self portrait del
you betcha

[resister]

Sure, like learning to weld by reading.
Well I apologize if I over stated it

[Cletus]

“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged . . . ."

Yet you support gun laws.

What if we instituted the exact same procedures to vote that we do for purchasing a firearm? Would you be okay with that?

Or we can reverse it and we make the procedure purchasing a firearm exactly the same voting. Would you be okay with that?

[Cletus]

You are running out of but, but, but arguments with every post.....nice work.

I never use such arguments, so I really do not know what you are babbling about.

[resister]

Yet you support gun laws.

What if we instituted the exact same procedures to vote that we do for purchasing a firearm? Would you be okay with that?

Or we can reverse it and we make the procedure purchasing a firearm exactly the same voting. Would you be okay with that?
constitutional cherry pickers only beat the drum when it supports there views.The rest of the time they dismiss it as antiquated toilet paper

[Crepitus]

I don't play, stop projecting. I understand that is your contention that it somehow makes voting difficult. Understand it is my contention requiring an ID does not interfere with voting.

That's because you've never been there. I am not black, never have been never will be but I have many close friends in the community, one in particular. In her circle of friends and relatives (dozens of people) there are maybe 1 or 2 with valid driver's licences. Many have never gotten them because they have never been able to afford a car, many have lost them because of fines that went unpaid. Some have even not renewed them because they couldn't afford to. It's only $15 but when you've got hungry kids that's a lot of money.

People who say ID laws don't place a disproportionate burden on minorities do not know what they are talking about.

[Crepitus]

Yet you support gun laws.

What if we instituted the exact same procedures to vote that we do for purchasing a firearm? Would you be okay with that?

Or we can reverse it and we make the procedure purchasing a firearm exactly the same voting. Would you be okay with that?

Wow, hypocrisy. It's what's for dinner!

[resister]

Hog wash,it aint that damn hard to get an ID.

[Crepitus]

Yet you support gun laws.

What if we instituted the exact same procedures to vote that we do for purchasing a firearm? Would you be okay with that?

Or we can reverse it and we make the procedure purchasing a firearm exactly the same voting. Would you be okay with that?

Let me know when people start holding up liquor stores with votes ok?

[Cletus]

Wow, hypocrisy. It's what's for dinner!

That is my point. Anyone who supports gun laws and opposes voter ID laws and tried to use the Constitution to support their position is being a hypocrite.

[resister]

Let me know when people start holding up liquor stores with votes ok?
Imagine the racist irony,you need id to buy liquor !!!!

[Crepitus]

That is my point. Anyone who supports gun laws and opposes voter ID laws and tried to use the Constitution to support their position is being a hypocrite.

Says the guy who's against gun laws and for voter ID.

[Crepitus]

Imagine the racist irony,you need id to buy liquor !!!!
Because under aged voting is a thing, right?
Or maybe because driving under the influence of voting is so dangerous?

By the way, that's more race baiting.

[Cletus]

Let me know when people start holding up liquor stores with votes ok?

You can hold up the NATION with a vote, but that is not the point. You keep saying the constitution protects the right to vote and that right shall not be "denied or abridged". The Constitution also protects the right to keep and bear arms and is very clear that the right to do so "shall not be infringed", but you think it is okay to institute laws that make it far more difficult to purchase a gun than it is to vote.

[Cletus]

Says the guy who's against gun laws and for voter ID.

Requiring proof of identity does not keep any legitimate, legal voter from voting.

Your attempt to divert attention from your glaring hypocrisy on this issue is noted.

[Ethereal]

Democrats are against voter ID because it will make voter fraud more difficult. That is the only reason they oppose it. Of course they will not admit this, but everyone knows it is true.

[del]

*everyone*

lol

[Cletus]

Democrats are against voter ID because it will make voter fraud more difficult. That is the only reason they oppose it. Of course they will not admit this, but everyone knows it is true.

There is no other logical reason.

[resister]

Because under aged voting is a thing, right?
Or maybe because driving under the influence of voting is so dangerous?

By the way, that's more race baiting.
Soooo...Saying the word racist is now race baiting huhh?Well if its such a burden for blacks to get ID(no drivers license needed)and suppressing the black vote,then requiring ID in a liquor store is suppressing black drinking,ergo,according to your logic,racist

[Ethereal]

*everyone*

lol

Even Democrats themselves know this is why they oppose voter ID laws. Of course they aren't going to admit it. But that's because they're liars. It's as simple as that.

[nic34]

Come on man, don't play like that. You've been here the whole threads as well. You know that that is the contention on the whole issue. It makes it more difficult for a certain segment of the population to vote. THAT is unconstitutional.

JUST ONCE HERE I'D LIKE THE id FOLKS TO COME CLEAN AND SAY THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ADVOCATE.

[Crepitus]

You can hold up the NATION with a vote, but that is not the point. You keep saying the constitution protects the right to vote and that right shall not be "denied or abridged". The Constitution also protects the right to keep and bear arms and is very clear that the right to do so "shall not be infringed", but you think it is okay to institute laws that make it far more difficult to purchase a gun than it is to vote.

Suicide with a vote? Rob a bank with your vote? Accidentally leave your vote out where a kid can find it? Are terrorists using votes to commit their heinous acts? Do cops carry votes to subdue criminals?

Are you starting to see the difference here?

[del]

Even Democrats themselves know this is why they oppose voter ID laws. Of course they aren't going to admit it. But that's because they're liars. It's as simple as that.
it's certainly simple

i can see its appeal on that basis

[Ethereal]

JUST ONCE HERE I'D LIKE THE id FOLKS TO COME CLEAN AND SAY THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ADVOCATE.
And I'd like Democrats to just admit that they're opposed to voter ID laws because they are committing voter fraud.

[resister]

Suicide with a vote? Rob a bank with your vote? Accidentally leave your vote out where a kid can find it? Are terrorists using votes to commit their heinous acts? Do cops carry votes to subdue criminals?

Are you starting to see the difference here?
Can you hijack an entire country with a gun?Have to be a damn big one

[nic34]

Come on man, don't play like that. You've been here the whole threads as well. You know that that is the contention on the whole issue. It makes it more difficult for a certain segment of the population to vote. THAT is unconstitutional.

Just once I'd like the pro - ID folks here say that that is exactly what they advocate. Bring your ID every time. Basically Re-register everytime you vote.

[Crepitus]

Soooo...Saying the word racist is now race baiting huhh?Well if its such a burden for blacks to get ID(no drivers license needed)and suppressing the black vote,then requiring ID in a liquor store is suppressing black drinking,ergo,according to your logic,racist. Drinking is not a right, voting is. That's a stupid and racist false parallel.

Race baiting is insinuating that racism or bigotry is a dominant factor with regards to an event that does not involve race.

[Ethereal]

Democrats wants IDs and licenses for almost everything under the sun EXCEPT voting.

It's obvious why they do this: Because voter ID makes it harder to commit voter fraud.

They don't care if it makes voting harder for "certain people" just like they don't care if IDs and licences make it harder for those same people to arm themselves, get a job, or start a business.

The DNC leadership knows what they're doing and the useful idiot rank-and-file realize it on a subconscious level.

Fraud is part and parcel of the DNC machine.

[The Xl]

Voting is a right, but it's important to make sure their isn't any potential fraud. Anyone who financially has an issue securing an acceptable ID should have the process paid for by the government.

[Crepitus]

Can you hijack an entire country with a gun?Have to be a damn big one

Lmao! See Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Sudan, Pakistan.......

Too fucking many to list have been hijacked at the point of a gun. Stupid statement.

Next?

[Cletus]

JUST ONCE HERE I'D LIKE THE id FOLKS TO COME CLEAN AND SAY THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ADVOCATE.

What makes you think it is?

That is a serious question. What makes you think that advocating people of all races be required to show proof of identity before voting is an attempt to suppress votes by racial minorities?

I think people who believe that have got to be some of the dumbest people on the planet. All anyone is talking about is being required to prove you are who you claim to be before you cast your vote. It is nothing more complicated than that. There is nothing insidious about it. It doesn't place any kind of special qualifications on the right to vote. It doesn't place any kind of onerous burden on anyone. All it is saying is that if you show up at the polls claiming to be John Smith and you are about to cast a vote in John Smith's name, you need to establish that you are in fact, John Smith before doing so.

The concept is so simple, even a Liberal should be able to understand it.

[resister]

. Drinking is not a right, voting is. That's a stupid and racist false parallel.

Race baiting is insinuating that racism or bigotry is a dominant factor with regards to an event that does not involve race.Like your voter ID argument.Drinking is not a right?So its a privilege that the government can take away?

[Ethereal]

Lmao! See Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Sudan, Pakistan.......

Too $#@!ing many to list have been hijacked at the point of a gun. Stupid statement.

Next?
And voter fraud is not damaging to a society?

[del]

Like your voter ID argument.Drinking is not a right?So its a privilege that the government can take away?
yeah, it can

read the terms of your last parole

it's probably in there

[Crepitus]

Requiring proof of identity does not keep any legitimate, legal voter from voting.

Your attempt to divert attention from your glaring hypocrisy on this issue is noted.

And requiring a permit to own a gun does not prevent a legal gun owner from owning a gun. Neither does registering your gun with the government, nor requiring certain precautions such as training.

[resister]

yeah, it can

read the terms of your last parole

it's probably in thereGood Old DEL ,you can allways count on him for completely useless input

[nathanbforrest45]

A vote can and has robbed an entire country. Obamacare won by a 5 to 4 vote in the Supreme Court. That has robbed millions of their hard earned income by requiring insurance that is costly and ineffective.

[Ethereal]

And requiring a permit to own a gun does not prevent a legal gun owner from owning a gun. Neither does registering your gun with the government, nor requiring certain precautions such as training.
Proving you are who you say you are is absolutely necessary in order to maintain the integrity of voting.

Getting a permit or registering your firearm with the state is not necessary for anything.

[Crepitus]

Like your voter ID argument.Drinking is not a right?So its a privilege that the government can take away?

Haven't you ever heard of the prohibition era?

[Crepitus]

And voter fraud is not damaging to a society?

If it existed it would be, but it doesn't.

[resister]

Haven't you ever heard of the prohibition era?
Did you get the memo?Hint...it was repealed

[Crepitus]

Proving you are who you say you are is absolutely necessary in order to maintain the integrity of voting.

Getting a permit or registering your firearm with the state is not necessary for anything.

Pure hypocrisy.

[Crepitus]

Did you get the memo?Hint...it was repealed

What does that even mean in this context?

[nathanbforrest45]

And requiring a permit to own a gun does not prevent a legal gun owner from owning a gun. Neither does registering your gun with the government, nor requiring certain precautions such as training.


LOL

That's why its so easy for a law abiding citizen to get a gun in New York or Chicago or Washington DC.

LOL

You are a hoot you know that.

[resister]

what does that even mean in this context?that its legal

[Cletus]

And requiring a permit to own a gun does not prevent a legal gun owner from owning a gun. Neither does registering your gun with the government, nor requiring certain precautions such as training.

Actually, it does.


noun

noun: permit; plural noun: permits
ˈpərmit/
1.
an official document giving someone authorization to do something.

Permits can be denied. You should not need permission to exercise a constitutionally protected right.

Asking someone to prove they are who they say they are is not infringing on their right or ability to vote. It places no special conditions on the act of voting.

[Crepitus]

that its legal

Lol, check with your parole officer, I bet it's not.

[Cletus]

Suicide with a vote? Rob a bank with your vote? Accidentally leave your vote out where a kid can find it? Are terrorists using votes to commit their heinous acts? Do cops carry votes to subdue criminals?

Are you starting to see the difference here?

A vote is far more dangerous than a gun. In fact, the most dangerous constitutionally protected right is probably the right to speak freely. Do you propose special restrictions placed on that?

[resister]

Lol, check with your parole officer, I bet it's not.LOL crepitus has as much useless input as del.Make your own joke,lazy.The point is drinking is legal,ergo a right.I know you find rights hard to understand.Freedom is scary

[AeonPax]

History doesn't seem to agree with you, considering many thought poll taxes were constitutional.
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Requiring an ID to vote is not unconstitutional. Passing a law requiring a voter ID is not unconstitutional. What is unconstitutional is an ID law that has the consequence of preventing a person from voting. In this case, those filing suit, such as the ACLU, have the burden of proof of showing the law has ACTUALLY (not statistically) prevented a person from voting. This should be interesting.

[MRogersNhood]

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Requiring an ID to vote is not unconstitutional. Passing a law requiring a voter ID is not unconstitutional. What is unconstitutional is an ID law that has the consequence of preventing a person from voting. In this case, those filing suit, such as the ACLU, have the burden of proof of showing the law has ACTUALLY (not statistically) prevented a person from voting. This should be interesting.
They're going to have a hard time I bet.