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Archer0915
11-08-2016, 08:58 AM
If you vote Hillary! You will ask yourself, if she wins, "What have I done!"

If you vote Trump! You will ask yourself, if he wins, "What have I done!"

Face it, a good republican would wipe the floor with Hillary!

Hey! A good democrat would wipe the floor with Donald!


Let us discuss the why in this thread! Why it came to this!

Look I could not vote for Romney or Obama, I did a write in. I honestly did not like Obama but I felt the same way about Romney. In this election I really do not like either but I am really concerned about a Hillary win. I feel she is a real threat to national security and she will be one of the most hawkish people to hold the office of president or the US.

She is not what many liberals think she is! We know what Trump is and that is not necessarily good either. I do feel that Hillary is a threat and Trump is a little less of a threat.

So how do you feel? Do you support you choice because you do not want the other side to win or do you actually support your choice?

DGUtley
11-08-2016, 09:06 AM
On Hillary: I have no idea why the loyal D's felt the need to give this to Bill. Is it the woman thing? I have no idea.

On Trump: His brashness kind of bull-rushed everyone else. If it had been one-on-one or three in it, he'd have lost. He divided and conquered and tapped in to that anti-PC feeling. I was pulling off of 71S north of C-Bus getting gas when I heard on the radio that he'd announced his run. My initial thoughts were "oh, no, we had a chance to stop Hillary and save the court this could hurt that chance". It likely has.

I held my nose and voted for Trump to try to keep the Court from a left wing / activist / ignore precedent court. Anything else can be undone in four years.

Docthehun
11-08-2016, 09:13 AM
I voted for the Party's nominee, but think that Trump has the potential to be dangerous. If he's elected, and I don't rule out that possibility, I own him, like it or not. I'm uncomfortable, to say the least, with my choice. I've bought into very little of his laundry list of things he promises to make great. I feel bad for everyone who believes that someone else is going to make their life better.

MRogersNhood
11-08-2016, 09:16 AM
I voted for Trump.He's promising to do some of the things I've been talking about for years.

There's absolutely no reason American workers should be having to compete for work with underpaid illegals.

PolWatch
11-08-2016, 09:17 AM
2016 should have been a cake walk for the repubs. Trump came into a crowded primary and received more free publicity because of his outrageous remarks. Hillary was given the nomination as a reward for years of loyal service to the party. Trump won the primary and suddenly, Hillary had an actual shot at the presidency. I suspect any other repub would have been able to defeat her easily. Our choice today is between a candidate who might intentionally start a war or a candidate who might unintentionally start a war....or a third party candidate with no real chance of winning. I'm voting third party.

DGUtley
11-08-2016, 09:22 AM
I voted for the Party's nominee, but think that Trump has the potential to be dangerous. If he's elected, and I don't rule out that possibility, I own him, like it or not. I'm uncomfortable, to say the least, with my choice. I've bought into very little of his laundry list of things he promises to make great. I feel bad for everyone who believes that someone else is going to make their life better.

I don't believe for a minute that he'll do any of the things he says he'll do. However, I do expect him to appoint a precedent Court. Whoever wins, reach out to the other side, rise above the rhetoric. To the R's: No investigations. Yes, she's a criminal, I believe that. It's bad for the country. Move on.

Axiomatic
11-08-2016, 09:29 AM
2016 should have been a cake walk for the repubs. Trump came into a crowded primary and received more free publicity because of his outrageous remarks. Hillary was given the nomination as a reward for years of loyal service to the party. Trump won the primary and suddenly, Hillary had an actual shot at the presidency. I suspect any other repub would have been able to defeat her easily. Our choice today is between a candidate who might intentionally start a war or a candidate who might unintentionally start a war....or a third party candidate with no real chance of winning. I'm voting third party.
It wasn't because of his outrageous remarks. He received more free publicity because he was most likely to lose against her.

Docthehun
11-08-2016, 09:30 AM
I don't believe for a minute that he'll do any of the things he says he'll do. However, I do expect him to appoint a precedent Court. Whoever wins, reach out to the other side, rise above the rhetoric. To the R's: No investigations. Yes, she's a criminal, I believe that. It's bad for the country. Move on.

We won't take the "bold face" advice. Apparently we're getting fond of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".

PolWatch
11-08-2016, 09:30 AM
When I look at Trump's record of changing parties, making statements that he later denies and a general inability to believe anything he says, I'm amazed that so many people think he will do anything he says. I suspect his court appointments would consist of anyone that he thinks (or knows) would rule in favor of laws that benefit him financially. I don't have any belief that Clinton would do otherwise. This is a caveat emptor (buyer beware) situation.

Axiomatic
11-08-2016, 09:42 AM
Let us discuss the why in this thread! Why it came to this!
None of us have any control over it. All voters put together have no control over it in their current mental state.

It has come to this because there are other forces at work which are capable of achieving any given outcome in an election, by the use of propaganda.

The only way out is for a critical mass to stop lending them our support, to stop pretending that we need them, that we owe them allegiance, that human rights emanate from them, that we wouldn't all be much better off without them.

I'm not holding my breath.

Archer0915
11-08-2016, 09:49 AM
It wasn't because of his outrageous remarks. He received more free publicity because he was most likely to lose against her.

So the question... Was this election rigged from the beginning? Trump v/s Clinton! If you actually understand how to manipulate the masses and essentially brainwash people based on their beliefs...


All one has to do is call a person a racist and that turns a block against them, with or without proof!


All one has to do is call someone a statist/socialist and another block is turned against them.


I really think if one studies the entire cycle they will find that it is rigged by puppet masters! People and groups far above Clinton and Trump. People that will make great gains from a fractured America.


I really wish I had spoken out earlier but who am I? It does not matter if I say anything because I do not count. We the people need to come together and count collectively!

Archer0915
11-08-2016, 09:51 AM
None of us have any control over it. All voters put together have no control over it in their current mental state.

It has come to this because there are other forces at work which are capable of achieving any given outcome in an election, by the use of propaganda.

The only way out is for a critical mass to stop lending them our support, to stop pretending that we need them, that we owe them allegiance, that human rights emanate from them, that we wouldn't all be much better off without them.

I'm not holding my breath.

Agreed! It was rigged from the start and all the players we see (Trump/Clinton/The people) are nothing more than pawns in a bigger globalist game.

gamewell45
11-08-2016, 09:54 AM
I just got back from voting. I went into the booth, closed the curtains and held my nose while I wrote in my name for President. I'll be the first to admit that I know absolutely nothing about running this country, but at least I'm honest which is more than all of the candidates, both from major and third parties are. I am now preparing a concession speech which I will read to my family tonight after the polls close in NY and I have about 7 or 8 beers prior.

Cigar
11-08-2016, 10:02 AM
I Vote for Hope over Despair, Gloom & Doom

Anyone can Obstruct and do nothing, that takes no skills or Effort.
Leaders make Decisions, they Execute, they Evaluate, they Evolve and they move Forward.

Standing Wolf
11-08-2016, 10:03 AM
I don't think its fair and accurate to say that any Republican could have beaten Hillary Clinton. An outspoken, socially conservative religionist, like Ted Cruz or Mike Pence, would have energized the Left and turned off much of the secular Right, like Romney did in 2012. Most reasonable Republicans don't want to see the social reforms that America has enjoyed in the areas of marriage equality and reproductive rights rolled back any more than their Democratic counterparts do - and they don't want a President who advocates for that sort of regression.

Trump's major strength has been a combination of vagueness in describing policies and positions to which it's glaringly obvious he hasn't really given any serious thought, and his tendency to "talk big" about actions and schemes that no one in their right mind believes will ever actually come to fruition - the wall on the Mexican border, deporting tens of millions of illegal immigrants, bringing manufacturing back as a major factor in the American economy, etc. Trump is a fantasist, and we all enjoy a good fantasy from time to time. Life is compromise and struggle, and nobody particularly likes that; Trump does Herbert Hoover one better by promising a thick steak in every gold-plated pan. His loose cannon image actually works for him in making a lot of people believe that they could probably buy him a couple of drinks and talk him into doing just about anything they want him to do. He is Homer Simpson with slightly better diction and a manicure.

Cigar
11-08-2016, 10:04 AM
I just got back from voting. I went into the booth, closed the curtains and held my nose while I wrote in my name for President. I'll be the first to admit that I know absolutely nothing about running this country, but at least I'm honest which is more than all of the candidates, both from major and third parties are. I am now preparing a concession speech which I will read to my family tonight after the polls close in NY and I have about 7 or 8 beers prior.

Enjoy your Beer Mr. President :laugh:

Cigar
11-08-2016, 10:07 AM
I don't think its fair and accurate to say that any Republican could have beaten Hillary Clinton. An outspoken, socially conservative religionist, like Ted Cruz or Mike Pence, would have energized the Left and turned off much of the secular Right, like Romney did in 2012. Most reasonable Republicans don't want to see the social reforms that America has enjoyed in the areas of marriage equality and reproductive rights rolled back any more than their Democratic counterparts do - and they don't want a President who advocates for that sort of regression.

Trump's major strength has been a combination of vagueness in describing policies and positions to which it's glaringly obvious he hasn't really given any serious thought, and his tendency to "talk big" about actions and schemes that no one in their right mind believes will ever actually come to fruition - the wall on the Mexican border, deporting tens of millions of illegal immigrants, bringing manufacturing back as a major factor in the American economy, etc. Trump is fantasist, and we all enjoy a good fantasy from time to time. Life is compromise and struggle, and nobody particularly likes that; Trump does Herbert Hoover one better by promising a thick steak in every gold-plated pan. His loose cannon image actually works for him in making a lot of people believe that they could probably buy him a couple of drinks and talk him into doing just about anything they want him to do. He is Homer Simpson with slightly better diction and a manicure.

On Day one that Idiot Moron Trump came down an Escalator and insulted the very Demographic that Republicans needed to Win Presidential Elections ... They basically have NO ONE to blame but themselves.

F'ckem

PolWatch
11-08-2016, 10:11 AM
I admit: 'any repub' = hyperbole. I just feel frustration because so many of the primary candidates were so much better than Trump. Every election produces a few nuts in the basket but this one seemed to bring the entire tree into the action.

Trump obtained attention by behavior that is not usual for candidates. He made outrageous remarks & grandiose promises. I doubt he has any real plans to implement all the promises he has made. I'm not trying to insult his supporters but he appealed to those who want simple solutions to complicated problems.

Archer0915
11-08-2016, 10:16 AM
I admit: 'any repub' = hyperbole. I just feel frustration because so many of the primary candidates were so much better than Trump. Every election produces a few nuts in the basket but this one seemed to bring the entire tree into the action.

Trump obtained attention by behavior that is not usual for candidates. He made outrageous remarks & grandiose promises. I doubt he has any real plans to implement all the promises he has made. I'm not trying to insult his supporters but he appealed to those who want simple solutions to complicated problems.
A few thoughts...

Sometimes a simple solution is the best solution and inaction is not a solution.

I believe he intends to do everything he said, his ego will prevent him from not trying.

I believe Trump won because he was meant to win. It is manipulation on a grand scale.

Tahuyaman
11-08-2016, 10:36 AM
I held my nose and voted for Trump to try to keep the Court from a left wing / activist / ignore precedent court. Anything else can be undone in four years.

I voted for Gary Johnson. Where I live, Hillary Clinton is going to win the state easily. In my state, a conservative vote really doesn't count. The dominant area of my home state is as far left wing as any in the country. Possibly the most far left wing part of the country.

Still your comment about the Supreme Court is the only justification for voting for Trump. His views on court appointments was consistent.

suds00
11-08-2016, 10:50 AM
i think america wil be somewhat better under hillary.if trump wins i'll do my best to ignore him and support the house and senate.

MRogersNhood
11-08-2016, 11:38 AM
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