Democrats and "Flyover Country"

[pjohns]

Well, in the recent presidential election, Hillary Clinton won both the entire West Coast and the entire northeast, but very little else. (She did manage to win Minnesota--albeit by a much smaller margin than Democratic candidates normally do--and Virginia; the latter, due to the tendencies of Northern Virginia, near DC, which has propelled the state into the Democratic ranks.)

And, of course, Hawaii. And Nevada and New Mexico (the latter's having a very large Hispanic population).

Do Democrats really believe that they can continue to ignore the folks in "Flyover Country"--perhaps even display open contempt for them--and still win national elections?

[resister]

Well, in the recent presidential election, Hillary Clinton won both the entire West Coast and the entire northeast, but very little else. (She did manage to win Minnesota--albeit by a much smaller margin than Democratic candidates normally do--and Virginia; the latter, due to the tendencies of Northern Virginia, near DC, which has propelled the state into the Democratic ranks.)

And, of course, Hawaii. And Nevada and New Mexico (the latter's having a very large Hispanic population).

Do Democrats really believe that they can continue to ignore the folks in "Flyover Country"--perhaps even display open contempt for them--and still win national elections?

"Basket of deplorables"Was the nail in her coffin

[Crepitus]

I suspect we have a larger portion of undereducated and just down right dumb people here in the Midwest. After all here in Kansas we re-elected Sam Brownback in the midst of a faltering economy and massive budget deficits and cuts all due solely to his fiscal plan's failure. The average moron in the street didn't care as long as he was pro-life, pro-gun, and had an "R" in front of his name. Kansas is its own worst enemy.

[AZ Jim]

For years, right up until now, it was the Democrats that took care of the farmer, yet they go to the polls and vote republican. Go figure.

[Crepitus]

For years, right up until now, it was the Democrats that took care of the farmer, yet they go to the polls and vote republican. Go figure.

Like I said, stupid. Single issue voters voting against their own self interest.

[resister]

Or maybe yall called it wrong?Possibly?Just sayin.Hay ..Hay

[Crepitus]

Or maybe yall called it wrong?Possibly?Just sayin.Hay ..Hay

Calls what wrong?

[resister]

Calls what wrong?The pulse of the "common man"

[Crepitus]

The pulse of the "common man"
No, they are definitely voting against their self interest. The farm bill is opposed by republicans every time it comes up. Farming is the major industry here in the Midwest. But a large portion of them are willing to risk losing their livelihood as long as they can keep their guns and bitch about abortion. With republican majorities in Washington they may be in for very rude surprise.

[Common]

For years, right up until now, it was the Democrats that took care of the farmer, yet they go to the polls and vote republican. Go figure.
Democrats have done NOTHING for anyone that works for the last 8 yrs

[Green Arrow]

Yes, actually, both candidates can continue the longstanding tradition of ignoring "flyover country," because they never decide elections.

[Crepitus]

Democrats have done NOTHING for anyone that works for the last 8 yrs

So what have the republicans done? Dont say cutting taxes on the "job creators" cause we already know that doesn't work.

[resister]

Yes, actually, both candidates can continue the longstanding tradition of ignoring "flyover country," because they never decide elections.
This time was not the same.​see results

[resister]

So what have the republicans done? Dont say cutting taxes on the "job creators" cause we already know that doesn't work.

Kinda sorta waited for our turn(the time is now,u have had your turn)

[Common]

I suspect we have a larger portion of undereducated and just down right dumb people here in the Midwest. After all here in Kansas we re-elected Sam Brownback in the midst of a faltering economy and massive budget deficits and cuts all due solely to his fiscal plan's failure. The average moron in the street didn't care as long as he was pro-life, pro-gun, and had an "R" in front of his name. Kansas is its own worst enemy.

Your ridiculous, theres no dumb people in the areas the democrats won huh.
If you delete the illegal immigrant votes and the dead votes and the swindles. Hillary did not win the popular vote

[resister]

Your ridiculous, theres no dumb people in the areas the democrats won huh.
If you delete the illegal immigrant votes and the dead votes and the swindles. Hillary did not win the popular vote

A fantasy that make's the "butthurt"a little less

[Crepitus]

Kinda sorta waited for our turn(the time is now,u have had your turn)

Bush years weren't that long ago, what did he do to help the common man? I mean I know he was busy crashing the economy but there must have been something?

[stjames1_53]

For years, right up until now, it was the Democrats that took care of the farmer, yet they go to the polls and vote republican. Go figure.

For years, (how many?)right up until now, it was the Democrats that took care of the farmer (How? By getting them hooked on federal heroin?), yet they go to the polls and vote republican. Go figure.
Maybe your just concerned about your food source. Maybe.............you could plant your own stuff, hunt, fish, etc........then it wouldn't be much of a concern to you.
Cradle to Grave...THAT'S the Dimbulbcrat way Maybe some people don't want the federal government telling them what to do from 3000 miles away, eh?

[Crepitus]

Your ridiculous, theres no dumb people in the areas the democrats won huh.
If you delete the illegal immigrant votes and the dead votes and the swindles. Hillary did not win the popular vote

Illegal immigrants and dead people can't vote. That's a lie your talking heads have told you to make you feel better about losing. And republicans eat it up with a spoon.

See what I mean about a larger portion of stupid people?

[Peter1469]

The Hard Left tried that tactic many time before.

Hint, most Americans ignore the SJWs.


I suspect we have a larger portion of undereducated and just down right dumb people here in the Midwest. After all here in Kansas we re-elected Sam Brownback in the midst of a faltering economy and massive budget deficits and cuts all due solely to his fiscal plan's failure. The average moron in the street didn't care as long as he was pro-life, pro-gun, and had an "R" in front of his name. Kansas is its own worst enemy.

[Newpublius]

Indeed, Peter, the liberal hubris is on full display. To him, to him, its self evident that Democrats are 'right' and that others with different points of view are 'wrong' dumb uneducated rubes who don't know what's good for them.

[Newpublius]

Your ridiculous, theres no dumb people in the areas the democrats won huh.
If you delete the illegal immigrant votes and the dead votes and the swindles. Hillary did not win the popular vote

Exactly, and where I live its the 'blue' areas that can't seem to operate a school district correctly. I mean, really.

Where I live, its utopia, the schools works, the garbage gets picked up, we don't lock the doors at night because there's little if any crime, high education attainment, high income, shit......even the goddamn grass is green.

Want to know who's in charge....the goddamn Republicans.

[Common]

Illegal immigrants and dead people can't vote. That's a lie your talking heads have told you to make you feel better about losing. And republicans eat it up with a spoon.

See what I mean about a larger portion of stupid people?


Horseshit check out NC, urban areas have always had voter fraud, check out acorn

[Crepitus]

The Hard Left tried that tactic many time before.

Hint, most Americans ignore the SJWs.

What The Fuck are you talking about? What "tactic"? You aren't making any sense lately yet you keep talking about other people being "unhinged"?

[Crepitus]

Horseshit check out NC, urban areas have always had voter fraud, check out acorn

PROVE IT. I keep asking that and none of you ever come up with anything more than debunked accusations and very minor crap that's long over with. I can come up with better evidence it's the republicans that are cheating.


http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/24/republican-voter-fraud-scott-walker-supporter-charged-13-felonies-wisconsin.html

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/meet-the-candidate-who-cant-legally-vote-herself

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/09/jack-villamaino-voter-fraud_n_3728456.html

http://www.nbc29.com/story/22627644/bassett-man-pleads-guilty-to-voter-fraud-forgery

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convicted-in-voter-fraud-case.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/thaddeus-mccotter-unexpectedly-resigns-from-congress/2012/07/06/gJQAfxqWSW_blog.html

Need I go on?

[Tahuyaman]

Democrats and "Flyover Country"
Democrats / liberals consider those who live in "fly over" country to be ignorant redneck rubes who should be dismissed and or ignored.

[Green Arrow]

This time was not the same.​see results

Yes, actually, it was.

[Peter1469]

What The Fuck are you talking about? What "tactic"? You aren't making any sense lately yet you keep talking about other people being "unhinged"?

You are describing your silly positions. Oh well.

[Peter1469]

It is not a secret why the Hard Left denies voter fraud. They do the bulk of it.

Good thing the Electoral College mitigates fraud.

[Crepitus]

You are describing your silly positions. Oh well.

No connection to reality anymore, this place has finally driven you over the edge. Get some rest Pete.

[Peter1469]

No connection to reality anymore, this place has finally driven you over the edge. Get some rest Pete.

Untrue. I have always opposed the Hard Left. Nothing has changed.

[decedent]

Well, in the recent presidential election, Hillary Clinton won both the entire West Coast and the entire northeast, but very little else. (She did manage to win Minnesota--albeit by a much smaller margin than Democratic candidates normally do--and Virginia; the latter, due to the tendencies of Northern Virginia, near DC, which has propelled the state into the Democratic ranks.)

And, of course, Hawaii. And Nevada and New Mexico (the latter's having a very large Hispanic population).

Do Democrats really believe that they can continue to ignore the folks in "Flyover Country"--perhaps even display open contempt for them--and still win national elections?

The people who elected Trump are the kind of people he regularly screwed over; the kind of people he wouldn't allow in his home. He's an elitist who has no clue about the people he claims to represent.

Trump staged himself as a church-going, honest, patriotic, hard working, guy who represent the average joe. He's really an elitist who eats pizza with a fork, has allegedly never driven a car, and announced his VP pick from a gold chair.

Trump just settled his lawsuit after ripping off thousands of ordinary people with another hustle. Th $25 million settlement won't even get them half their money back.

Trump went into flyover states, into working class neighborhoods, and somehow convinced him that he was one of them. It could be the biggest con job in American history.

[resister]

Nah...that was Hillary's Stronger Together.

[MisterVeritis]

PROVE IT. I keep asking that and none of you ever come up with anything more than debunked accusations and very minor crap that's long over with. I can come up with better evidence it's the republicans that are cheating.
. . .Need I go on?
The good news is that Republicans will have the time to put provisions in place to ensure legitimate voting in future elections. If the Republicans are smart enough to replace Chappaquiddick (https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&q=Chappaquiddick+Ted&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif7rzp7rfQAhXJ7SYKHSKCB1UQvwUIGigA) Ted's Immigration law, the Democrats will see the spigot turned off. When we stop bringing in the poorest, dumbest, sickest black and brown people from third world authoritarian states, the Democrats will lose their source of urban majorities.

It is time for assimilation.

[Crepitus]

Untrue. I have always opposed the Hard Left. Nothing has changed.

Still not actually responding to what I say. Not a good sign.

[Peter1469]

You don't know what you are talking about.

The Hard Left needs to regroup and find something that wins.


The people who elected Trump are the kind of people he regularly screwed over; the kind of people he wouldn't allow in his home. He's an elitist who has no clue about the people he claims to represent.

Trump staged himself as a church-going, honest, patriotic, hard working, guy who represent the average joe. He's really an elitist who eats pizza with a fork, has allegedly never driven a car, and announced his VP pick from a gold chair.

Trump just settled his lawsuit after ripping off thousands of ordinary people with another hustle. Th $25 million settlement won't even get them half their money back.

Trump went into flyover states, into working class neighborhoods, and somehow convinced him that he was one of them. It could be the biggest con job in American history.

[Peter1469]

Still not actually responding to what I say. Not a good sign.
Tough.

[Tahuyaman]

The coastal liberal elites despise the working class people of America. They have this attitude that the working / producing class needs to be forced into compliance for their own good.

[Crepitus]

Tough.

What? I'm just concerned about your health.

[Peter1469]

What? I'm just concerned about your health.

Much appreciated.

[pjohns]

I suspect we have a larger portion of undereducated and just down right dumb people here in the Midwest.
Oh, I see: Liberal elite (principally from the coasts) equals well-educated, whereas typical conservatives are uneducated.

Got it...

[pjohns]

Like I said, stupid. Single issue voters voting against their own self interest.

'[S]elf[-]interest" is an enormously selfish way of voting.

Thankfully, many people take into account far more than something so narrow...

[pjohns]

Yes, actually, both candidates can continue the longstanding tradition of ignoring "flyover country," because they never decide elections.

Well, it certainly did this time...

[pjohns]

The people who elected Trump are the kind of people he regularly screwed over; the kind of people he wouldn't allow in his home. He's an elitist who has no clue about the people he claims to represent.

Trump staged himself as a church-going, honest, patriotic, hard working, guy who represent the average joe. He's really an elitist who eats pizza with a fork, has allegedly never driven a car, and announced his VP pick from a gold chair.

Trump just settled his lawsuit after ripping off thousands of ordinary people with another hustle. Th $25 million settlement won't even get them half their money back.

Trump went into flyover states, into working class neighborhoods, and somehow convinced him that he was one of them. It could be the biggest con job in American history.
The bitterness is simply dripping from your response. No magnanimity here--to phrase it quite mildly.

Oh, and your (obvious) rage is directed not only toward Donald Trump, but--by extension--toward those tens of millions of Americans who were "con[ned]" into voting for him.

But that is really the way Democrats think: Ask for Americans' votes, but condescend toward them the rest of the time...

[Tahuyaman]

Oh, I see: Liberal elite (principally from the coasts) equals well-educated, whereas typical conservatives are uneducated.

Got it...

Liberals are the most prejudiced people roaming the planet.

[Tahuyaman]

Well, it certainly did this time...


Trump won everywhere except the enclaves of the metro / coastal elites. Now they're squealing They don't like being dismissed the way they dismiss everyone whom they think are rubes and hayseeds.

[MisterVeritis]

Trump won everywhere except the enclaves of the metro / coastal elites. Now they're squealing They don't like being dismissed the way they dismiss everyone whom they think are rubes and hayseeds.
The Progressive/Liberal/Socialists won 57 counties. Those counties are densely populated with many of the 57 million immigrants who came here as a result of the Kennedy immigration law. We can replace that law with one that benefits the country and not just the Democratic party.

[Green Arrow]

Well, it certainly did this time...

Not really, no. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania gave Trump the win.

[Bethere]

The Progressive/Liberal/Socialists won 57 counties. Those counties are densely populated with many of the 57 million immigrants who came here as a result of the Kennedy immigration law. We can replace that law with one that benefits the country and not just the Democratic party.

Again, the 57 county bit is a lie.

You should:

1. Check your work
2. Apologize for being a breitbart programmed tool.

[Peter1469]

Trolls killed the thread.

Good job.

[MisterVeritis]

Again, the 57 county bit is a lie.
You should:
1. Check your work
2. Apologize for being a breitbart programmed tool.
If you have better information provide it.

[Bethere]

If you have better information provide it.
Sure, even though it is your obligation to attribute and/or document your own claims.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/thanks-to-a-bad-map-and-bizarre-math-breitbart-can-report-that-trump-won-the-real-popular-vote/&ved=0ahUKEwiVt-uc4brQAhXBx4MKHYSfDMwQFggyMAU&usg=AFQjCNH4l1fzU4tv22UkOdzN4jPpKmzEKw

It took me less than a minute to find it, which begs the question why are you too lazy to fact check your own work?

487 > 57

Bethere > mr. Veritas

[Captain Obvious]

Sure, even though it is your obligation to attribute and/or document your own claims.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/thanks-to-a-bad-map-and-bizarre-math-breitbart-can-report-that-trump-won-the-real-popular-vote/&ved=0ahUKEwiVt-uc4brQAhXBx4MKHYSfDMwQFggyMAU&usg=AFQjCNH4l1fzU4tv22UkOdzN4jPpKmzEKw

It took me less than a minute to find it, which begs the question why are you too lazy to fact check your own work?

487 > 57

Bethere > mr. Veritas

270 > 1.8m

Thanks for the update, short bus

[Chris]

Sure, even though it is your obligation to attribute and/or document your own claims.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/thanks-to-a-bad-map-and-bizarre-math-breitbart-can-report-that-trump-won-the-real-popular-vote/&ved=0ahUKEwiVt-uc4brQAhXBx4MKHYSfDMwQFggyMAU&usg=AFQjCNH4l1fzU4tv22UkOdzN4jPpKmzEKw

It took me less than a minute to find it, which begs the question why are you too lazy to fact check your own work?

487 > 57

Bethere > mr. Veritas


270 > 1.8m

Thanks for the update, short bus



Stop the insults. Stick to topic.

[Cigar]

Speaking of Flyovers ... :laugh:

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/ac_planepoo_comp.jpg?w=748&h=427&crop=1 (http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/29/exploding-the-myths-about-pooing-in-the-sky-5848808/)

[pjohns]

Not really, no. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania gave Trump the win.

And Michigan is another Midwestern state that typically votes Democratic, but did not this time. Take away these three states (from "Flyover Country"), and give them to Hillary Clinton, and the result would be quite different.

[Crepitus]

Oh, I see: Liberal elite (principally from the coasts) equals well-educated, whereas typical conservatives are uneducated.

Got it...

Sadly that seems to be true.

[Green Arrow]

And Michigan is another Midwestern state that typically votes Democratic, but did not this time. Take away these three states (from "Flyover Country"), and give them to Hillary Clinton, and the result would be quite different.

Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are not part of "flyover country," they are the Rust Belt.

[MisterVeritis]

Sure, even though it is your obligation to attribute and/or document your own claims.
It took me less than a minute to find it, which begs the question why are you too lazy to fact check your own work?
487 > 57
Bethere > mr. Veritas

You have bested me.

Of the 3,143 counties and equivalents, your story does say Hillary Clinton won 487 of them; Donald Trump won 2,623.

I may have misquoted the original story as well because it now discusses the 52 counties where the majority of Clinton's voters may be found.

Congratulations. I wonder if Trump is still the President-elect?

Interesting, twice, as I watched the formatting changed.

[Bethere]

You have bested me.

Of the 3,143 counties and equivalents, your story does say Hillary Clinton won 487 of them; Donald Trump won 2,623.

I may have misquoted the original story as well because it now discusses the 52 counties where the majority of Clinton's voters may be found.

Congratulations. I wonder if Trump is still the President-elect?

Interesting, twice, as I watched the formatting changed.


He won't be the president elect until the electoral college meets.

But, other than that, thank you.

Sadly, you aren't the first I've had to correct on the 57 bit. You won't be the last. The gop echo chamber farts such nonsense and it gets repeated until the end of time.

[pjohns]

[Donald Trump] won't be the president elect until the electoral college meets.
Well, the media typically refer to him as the "president-elect."

And do you seriously believe that there will be enough unfaithful electors to deny him the presidency?

Really?

[resister]

Well, the media typically refer to him as the "president-elect."

And do you seriously believe that there will be enough unfaithful electors to deny him the presidency?

Really?
That is his last shred of hope.On Jan. 20 th he may accept it.

[Crepitus]

Like I said, stupid. Single issue voters voting against their own self interest.

I really could have phrased that better. I was saying what the republicans are doing is stupid, not calling AZ Jim stupid. My apologies.

[Green Arrow]

I really could have phrased that better. I was saying what the republicans are doing is stupid, not calling @AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901) stupid. My apologies.

Did you get a nasty PM from him or something?

[Crepitus]

Did you get a nasty PM from him or something?

Not nasty, but a request for clarification.

[AZ Jim]

I really could have phrased that better. I was saying what the republicans are doing is stupid, not calling @AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901) stupid. My apologies.Thank you sir.

[MisterVeritis]

Well, in the recent presidential election, Hillary Clinton won both the entire West Coast and the entire northeast, but very little else. (She did manage to win Minnesota--albeit by a much smaller margin than Democratic candidates normally do--and Virginia; the latter, due to the tendencies of Northern Virginia, near DC, which has propelled the state into the Democratic ranks.)
And, of course, Hawaii. And Nevada and New Mexico (the latter's having a very large Hispanic population).
Do Democrats really believe that they can continue to ignore the folks in "Flyover Country"--perhaps even display open contempt for them--and still win national elections?
Yes. Yes they do. Chappaquiddick Ted's immigration law will give the Democrats an unbeatable edge in national elections. We can stop it by ending Ted's immigration law.

[MisterVeritis]

He won't be the president elect until the electoral college meets. But, other than that, thank you.
Sadly, you aren't the first I've had to correct on the 57 bit. You won't be the last. The gop echo chamber farts such nonsense and it gets repeated until the end of time.
It was 52 counties. Those counties account for the bulk of the votes for Clinton. I did start looking at some of the other 400 or so counties. Many are bedroom communities for companies that are in the 52 counties.

Republicans need to work on assimilation. We can cut off immigration from all of the third world nations. We can once again allow white immigrants from European, Christian nations. In 30-40 years the problem will right itself.

[decedent]

Do Democrats really believe that they can continue to ignore the folks in "Flyover Country"--perhaps even display open contempt for them--and still win national elections?

Maybe the people in flyover states should make those states worth visiting?

I have a hunch that the people who mock "elitists," "safe spaces," and the pedagogy in general are from the flyover states. The friendly country charm on the surface seems to be masking deep contempt for liberals.

I do almost all of my business on the coasts, but I have traveled to many flyover states and I have to say that there's no poverty like the poverty I've seen there. I'm talking about pooping-in-a-tomato-can poverty.

[resister]

Did you get a nasty PM from him or something?
That would not be uncommon.I got one on my first day.Some one pees in his oat meal every day apparently

[resister]

Maybe the people in flyover states should make those states worth visiting?

I have a hunch that the people who mock "elitists," "safe spaces," and the pedagogy in general are from the flyover states. The friendly country charm on the surface seems to be masking deep contempt for liberals.

I do almost all of my business on the coasts, but I have traveled to many flyover states and I have to say that there's no poverty like the poverty I've seen there. I'm talking about pooping-in-a-tomato-can poverty.
Theres that liberal elitism that cost yall the election.

[decedent]

Theres that liberal elitism that cost yall the election.
Congrats on your upcoming 3,000th post. You've been here a whole month.

[resister]

Congrats on your upcoming 3,000th post. You've been here a whole month.Cant help it , your just so very entertaining, especially when you dodge your liberal elitism

[pjohns]

Maybe the people in flyover states should make those states worth visiting?

I have a hunch that the people who mock "elitists," "safe spaces," and the pedagogy in general are from the flyover states. The friendly country charm on the surface seems to be masking deep contempt for liberals.

I have "deep contempt" for elitists and safe spaces, indeed (the latter being defined, roughly, as an area in which no competing views are allowed, lest they should upset and contaminate the hearers of those views).

As for "pedagogy," that is a rather broad term. Whereas I certainly embrace learning, I do certainly have contempt or those who would impose their own views, while suppressing others; and pretending that conservative views simply are inconsistent with real learning.


I do almost all of my business on the coasts, but I have traveled to many flyover states and I have to say that there's no poverty like the poverty I've seen there. I'm talking about pooping-in-a-tomato-can poverty.

No doubt, there are pockets of poverty in these states. (The delta region of Mississippi, and Appalachia--which covers parts of several different states--leap to mind.) But to claim that these states are entirely beset by poverty is simply disingenuous.

And, in any case, we are speaking of whether or not these people deserve contempt--not whether or not they are impoverished.