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Bethere
11-20-2016, 01:20 AM
...that would be one Adm. Michael S. Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, who Trump would nominate as Director of National Intelligence.

here's some wapo for you:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.
The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Action has been delayed, some administration officials said, because relieving Rogers of his duties is tied to another controversial recommendation: to create separate chains of command at the NSA and the military’s cyberwarfare unit, a recommendation by Clapper and Carter that has been stalled because of other issues.
The news comes as Rogers is being considered by President-elect Donald Trump to be his nominee for director of national intelligence to replace Clapper as the official who oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-and-intelligence-community-chiefs-have-urged-obama-to-remove-the-head-of-the-nsa/2016/11/19/44de6ea6-adff-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_rogers-1249pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Peter1469
11-20-2016, 05:08 AM
Looks like he is lax on security. Not good.

stjames1_53
11-20-2016, 05:35 AM
Looks like he is lax on security. Not good.

what they are attempting is interjecting themselves into the Cabinet picks. They don't like the guy Trump's putting in, so they are attempting to "advise" him to put liberal people from Obama's used staff.............
Let Trump put those under him as he wishes..............Liberals won't be happy until they feel they control everyone's lives again.

Peter1469
11-20-2016, 05:39 AM
I understand the Hard Left is going to trash everything the new Administration tries to do. But if the WAPO article is correct, there is cause for concern.

That is a big if. WAPO is a typist for the DNC- so this could be pure B.S.

hanger4
11-20-2016, 07:26 AM
I understand the Hard Left is going to trash everything the new Administration tries to do. But if the WAPO article is correct, there is cause for concern.

That is a big if. WAPO is a typist for the DNC- so this could be pure B.S.

I suspect it's closer to the BS. Reading some of the authors archived articles shows her use of the informal fallacy as her apparent major in journalism school.

donttread
11-20-2016, 07:45 AM
...that would be one Adm. Michael S. Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, who Trump would nominate as Director of National Intelligence.

here's some wapo for you:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.
The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Action has been delayed, some administration officials said, because relieving Rogers of his duties is tied to another controversial recommendation: to create separate chains of command at the NSA and the military’s cyberwarfare unit, a recommendation by Clapper and Carter that has been stalled because of other issues.
The news comes as Rogers is being considered by President-elect Donald Trump to be his nominee for director of national intelligence to replace Clapper as the official who oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-and-intelligence-community-chiefs-have-urged-obama-to-remove-the-head-of-the-nsa/2016/11/19/44de6ea6-adff-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_rogers-1249pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


17 agencies? Come the fuck on. A kindergarden class would know that's splitting the job up too many ways and a 5th grade class would certainly recognize the potential pitfalls including a massive waste of money.
Add to that some of these agencies are covert and even overt actors not just intel gatherers as they are supposed to be and that they spy on us without warrant and against our will. And probably sell the data to corporations when they are done with it.
Complete reorganization is needed, including government police agencies as well as intel agencies. . For starters he ATF and DEA could easily be disbanded and the CIA put on a very short leash with no budget for anything but intel gathering in other countries.

Bethere
11-20-2016, 06:38 PM
17 agencies? Come the $#@! on. A kindergarden class would know that's splitting the job up too many ways and a 5th grade class would certainly recognize the potential pitfalls including a massive waste of money.
Add to that some of these agencies are covert and even overt actors not just intel gatherers as they are supposed to be and that they spy on us without warrant and against our will. And probably sell the data to corporations when they are done with it.
Complete reorganization is needed, including government police agencies as well as intel agencies. . For starters he ATF and DEA could easily be disbanded and the CIA put on a very short leash with no budget for anything but intel gathering in other countries.
The corrupt can count on partisan posters like you to blindly give them cover.

hanger4
11-20-2016, 06:53 PM
The corrupt can count on partisan posters like you to blindly give them cover.

Interesting words coming from a Hill-bot.

MisterVeritis
11-20-2016, 06:54 PM
...that would be one Adm. Michael S. Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, who Trump would nominate as Director of National Intelligence.
here's some wapo for you:
The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.
The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Action has been delayed, some administration officials said, because relieving Rogers of his duties is tied to another controversial recommendation: to create separate chains of command at the NSA and the military’s cyberwarfare unit, a recommendation by Clapper and Carter that has been stalled because of other issues.
The news comes as Rogers is being considered by President-elect Donald Trump to be his nominee for director of national intelligence to replace Clapper as the official who oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies.

Carter and Clapper are on their way out. It looks like they are trying to start some fires as they head out the door. Smoke is an obscurant. Disregard them and the smoke they are generating. Be ready to investigate both men in the new administration.

MisterVeritis
11-20-2016, 07:02 PM
17 agencies? Come the $#@! on. A kindergarden class would know that's splitting the job up too many ways and a 5th grade class would certainly recognize the potential pitfalls including a massive waste of money.
Add to that some of these agencies are covert and even overt actors not just intel gatherers as they are supposed to be and that they spy on us without warrant and against our will. And probably sell the data to corporations when they are done with it.
Complete reorganization is needed, including government police agencies as well as intel agencies. . For starters he ATF and DEA could easily be disbanded and the CIA put on a very short leash with no budget for anything but intel gathering in other countries.
I attended class with members of all fifteen agencies. DHS did not yet exist. And the NRO's existence was a compartmented top secret. The Geospatial intelligence guys had a different name then. I certainly knew about the army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard, state, treasury, energy, FBI, Justice, CIA and NSA. And the DIA who hosted the school.

waltky
11-21-2016, 01:01 AM
Will he stay or will he go before Trump takes over?... Officials remain mum but sources claim a storm is brewing in the Pentagon Monday 21st November, 2016 - Even as Trump continues to mull over and announce important cabinet appointments - a storm is brewing in the Pentagon, and has furiously spread over the last couple of days.
Reports citing top level administration and intelligence sources claimed that President Barack Obama is considering the removal of Adm. Michael S. Rogers as the head of the National Security Agency and United States Cyber Command. Co-incidentally, reports had stated that President-elect Donald Trump was considering offering a top position to Admiral Rogers in his administration and that he even met the man on Thursday, without the knowledge of the White House. Now, reports have claimed that Obama was being pushed to remove Admiral Rogers by top officials who have expressed frustration at the repeated loss of closely guarded secrets, and the slow progress on combating the Islamic State Militant group. Trump meanwhile was said to be considering appointing Admiral Rogers as the director of National Intelligence, to oversee all the 16 intelligence agencies.
http://cdn.bignewsnetwork.com/cus1479663420.jpg Admiral Rogers was promoted to head the NSA by the Obama administration in 2014 and reports pointed out that the current director of National Intelligence, James Clapper Jr and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter had recommended his removal last month. Official sources however claimed that the recommendations made to Obama were not related to Trump’s interest in hiring Admiral Rogers - but solely based on breaches during his tenure at the NSA and as its head. Neither the White House, nor the Pentagon have commented on the statements first reported by The Washington Post. According to reports, a replacement for Admiral Rogers would be confirmed only after Trump enters the Oval office. Meanwhile, reports pointed out that both Carter and Clapper had formally recommended to the White House via a letter to split the NSA from the Cyber Command. Experts are now debating whether Trump would indeed hire a man who has suffered lapses before and yet others are interested to know why Obama would want to fire one of the nation’s top intelligence officers, with merely a few weeks left in the White House. http://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/249556585/officials-remain-mum-but-sources-claim-a-storm-is-brewing-in-the-pentagon See also: Carter, Clapper reportedly want NSA Director Rogers Removed Nov 20, 2016 - The heads of the Pentagon and the country's intelligence community think President Obama should remove National Security Agency Director Adm. Michael S. Rogers, according to The Washington Post.
Rogers, meanwhile, is purportedly being considered by President-elect Donald Trump to replace Clapper as the director of national security, which oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies. The recommendation by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. to oust Rogers was reportedly made last month, several U.S. officials told the newspaper.
http://images04.military.com/media/people/rogers4sep2015.jpg Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) Adm. Michael Rogers testifies on Capitol Hill before the Senate Intelligence Committee. The chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), sent a letter late Saturday asking Carter and Clapper to appear before the panel to discuss the report. Obama could be delaying such action because he's already trying to work through another Clapper-Carter recommendation -- create separate chains of command at the NSA and the U.S. military's cyber-warfare unit. The Post story follows Rogers traveling Thursday to New York to meet with Trump without notifying superiors, which purportedly upset top administration officials. The White House, Pentagon and Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/20/carter-clapper-reportedly-want-nsa-director-rogers-removed.html