When EXACTLY Did the Democrat Party become unglued?

[Boris The Animal]

Some would say at this election, others back in 2000, still others 1994 when they lost the House, and others back in 1980. But I submit that the Democrat Party's warp speed shift to the Left really began with LBJ and their candidate in the 1968 Presidential Election George McGovern. They caught a break in 1976 with Carter because America was reeling from Watergate, but those Democrats were still (somewhat) Conservative by today's standards. After successive pimpslappings by Reagan (twice) and HW Bush, along came Bill Clinton, who promised to govern as a "new" Democrat. Then along came 1994 and the Contract with America presented by Newt and Co. thush enabling the GOP to accomplish something they haven't been able to do 50 years' prior, and that is retake control of the House. I believe this was the start of the Democrat Party's decline into insanity. Then along came 2000 and their eternal whining about Florida, even after Mr. 2X4 Al Bore conceded. This is what they devolved into today. An entitled bunch who think they are the only ones qualified (there's that word again) to rule the masses, that everyone else is an insignifegant little worm. But little did they know their arrogance and petulance would cost them dearly in 2010, 2014, and the royal b!tchslapping this year. Perhaps then they would start listening to the more Conservative elements of the American electorate rather than pandering to the "protected" classes and special interests.

[Crepitus]

It hasn't.

I mean seriously, WE didn't elect Donald Trump.

[Boris The Animal]

It hasn't.

I mean seriously, WE didn't elect Donald Trump.Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. If you listened to your more Conservative voices, whom your party completely shut out over the years, they would not be in this pickle.

[resister]

Get on trump train or get LEFT on the side o tha tracks.BYE BYE

[Crepitus]

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. If you listened to your more Conservative voices, whom your party completely shut out over the years, they would not be in this pickle.

It isn't just the democrats who are in this pickle.

[Boris The Animal]

It isn't just the democrats who are in this pickle.Oh no. The GOP and the American Citizen will do just fine.

[ripmeister]

Get on trump train or get LEFT on the side o tha tracks.BYE BYE
Ok. I think I'll feel more comfortable there as I'm not a fan of being involved in a train wreck.

[resister]

Ok. I think I'll feel more comfortable there as I'm not a fan of being involved in a train wreck.
BYE BYE don't let the demy wreck hit you on the side o tha tracks

[ripmeister]

BYE BYE don't let the demy wreck hit you on the side o tha tracks
I won't. I'm not a Dem.

[resister]

I won't. I'm not a Dem.
In that case, good luck entering the next debate

[Common]

It hasn't.

I mean seriously, WE didn't elect Donald Trump.

Once again you are factless, go check how many democrats flipped to trump.

[ripmeister]

In that case, good luck entering the next debate

Ok. Thanks

[Crepitus]

Oh no. The GOP and the American Citizen will do just fine.

Are you imply that democrats are not American citizens?

[Crepitus]

Once again you are factless, go check how many democrats flipped to trump.

So since Trump.didnt win the popular vote there must not be that many republicans left then?

[Cletus]

Are you imply that democrats are not American citizens?

Whether they are or not, most don't deserve to be.

[HoneyBadger]

It hasn't.

I mean seriously, WE didn't elect Donald Trump.

Actually, you did. You ran a career grifter and liar as your nominee. Had you nominated someone reasonable, like Jim Webb, Trump wouldn't be heading for the Oval office. Your party chose a Vagina over honor and integrity and lost. So yeah, you are responsible for his election.

[Common]

It isn't just the democrats who are in this pickle.

Of course it is, the gop has made gains in every election since 2010 except for obamas relection in 2012.
They won the house and the senate increased their seats, won potus and won a record breaking amount of state seats. I admit its all thiers to screw up but the gop isnt in nearly the pickle the democrats are.

You really should read a more varied mix of sites for info

[FindersKeepers]

It hasn't.

I mean seriously, WE didn't elect Donald Trump.

WE, the "Republic" did.

Heavy voter turnout in overly populated coastal areas bears no significance. Our election process worked as it was intended, protecting the largest geographical part of the nation states from the mob influence of a handful of opposing states.

Once again, the immense foresight of our Founders is glaringly obvious.

[FindersKeepers]

Actually, you did. You ran a career grifter and liar as your nominee. Had you nominated someone reasonable, like Jim Webb, Trump wouldn't be heading for the Oval office. Your party chose a Vagina over honor and integrity and lost. So yeah, you are responsible for his election.

Well said.

[Common]

Actually, you did. You ran a career grifter and liar as your nominee. Had you nominated someone reasonable, like Jim Webb, Trump wouldn't be heading for the Oval office. Your party chose a Vagina over honor and integrity and lost. So yeah, you are responsible for his election.
I agree trump would have lost to any reasonable democrat candidate. However, any reasonable GOP candidate would have beaten any democrat candidate this election

The same media and pollsters that had hillary beating trump handily are the same ones that keep telling us how popular obama is. I do not believe it one bit and havent for the last two years. They are keeping him falsely inflated because they want his agenda to live on.

[MMC]

Some would say at this election, others back in 2000, still others 1994 when they lost the House, and others back in 1980. But I submit that the Democrat Party's warp speed shift to the Left really began with LBJ and their candidate in the 1968 Presidential Election George McGovern. They caught a break in 1976 with Carter because America was reeling from Watergate, but those Democrats were still (somewhat) Conservative by today's standards. After successive pimpslappings by Reagan (twice) and HW Bush, along came Bill Clinton, who promised to govern as a "new" Democrat. Then along came 1994 and the Contract with America presented by Newt and Co. thush enabling the GOP to accomplish something they haven't been able to do 50 years' prior, and that is retake control of the House. I believe this was the start of the Democrat Party's decline into insanity. Then along came 2000 and their eternal whining about Florida, even after Mr. 2X4 Al Bore conceded. This is what they devolved into today. An entitled bunch who think they are the only ones qualified (there's that word again) to rule the masses, that everyone else is an insignifegant little worm. But little did they know their arrogance and petulance would cost them dearly in 2010, 2014, and the royal b!tchslapping this year. Perhaps then they would start listening to the more Conservative elements of the American electorate rather than pandering to the "protected" classes and special interests.
They have always been unglued.....from their beginning. From then.....it was always about dividing the people up. Not about bringing them together. It was and still is, their only chance at winning an election.

[Dangermouse]

If anyone's unglued it's the GOP! They've been hijacked by RWNJ extremists, and now they're falling compliantly into line.

[MMC]

If anyone's unglued it's the GOP! They've been hijacked by RWNJ extremists, and now they're falling compliantly into line.
Focus. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/icon_cyclops_ani.gif This is about the Democrats and not the Repubs. Let that filter thru for a few minutes before bloviating. http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/New_Smilies/think.gif

[patrickt]

Actually, it might have been when they elected their first racist socialist. You know, the guy to whom Barack Obama compares himself. FDR. Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

[Common Sense]

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/bro-trump-supporter-1.gif

[Crepitus]

Whether they are or not, most don't deserve to be.

Your ridiculous hyperbolic comments will now be dismissed as the nonsense they so obviously are. Welcome to the same basket where Mac and Mr Rogers reside.

[Crepitus]

Actually, you did. You ran a career grifter and liar as your nominee. Had you nominated someone reasonable, like Jim Webb, Trump wouldn't be heading for the Oval office. Your party chose a Vagina over honor and integrity and lost. So yeah, you are responsible for his election.

Actually no, Debbie Wasserman did that. I supported Bernie and didn't vote for clinton.

[Crepitus]

Of course it is, the gop has made gains in every election since 2010 except for obamas relection in 2012.
They won the house and the senate increased their seats, won potus and won a record breaking amount of state seats. I admit its all thiers to screw up but the gop isnt in nearly the pickle the democrats are.

You really should read a more varied mix of sites for info

Lol, I meant Trump is your president too.

[Crepitus]

WE, the "Republic" did.

Heavy voter turnout in overly populated coastal areas bears no significance. Our election process worked as it was intended, protecting the largest geographical part of the nation states from the mob influence of a handful of opposing states.

Once again, the immense foresight of our Founders is glaringly obvious.

Once again you entirely miss the point of my post.

Yea, what ever happened to one man one vote?

[FindersKeepers]

Once again you entirely miss the point of my post.

Yea, what ever happened to one man one vote?

Only those interested in mob rule consider it seriously. Anyone who's studied history knows what a joke it is. A dangerous joke.

[Crepitus]

Only those interested in mob rule consider it seriously. Anyone who's studied history knows what a joke it is. A dangerous joke.

Well of course you would say that. doesn't matter that that's how every election other than president is decided, the fact is that the republicans almost never win popular votes in national election.

[MMC]

Well of course you would say that. doesn't matter that that's how every election other than president is decided, the fact is that the republicans almost never win popular votes in national election.

They won them every place else other than for President. Just an FYI there so you can keep up with reality.

[FindersKeepers]

Well of course you would say that. doesn't matter that that's how every election other than president is decided, the fact is that the republicans almost never win popular votes in national election.

The GOP and the Democratic Party are PRIVATE parties. They're not government-linked and, if you want a different party, or a new party, to win, you have to play by the rules. Under your scenario -- the one man/one vote -- a handful of densely populated states would always win the popular vote, meaning the vast majority of states would not be represented. When each state joined the Union, it was guaranteed at least a small chance at being represented. Otherwise, there would be no reason for it to join -- or remain.

The EC ensures a diverse election.

As it should be.

[Crepitus]

The GOP and the Democratic Party are PRIVATE parties. They're not government-linked and, if you want a different party, or a new party, to win, you have to play by the rules. Under your scenario -- the one man/one vote -- a handful of densely populated states would always win the popular vote, meaning the vast majority of states would not be represented. When each state joined the Union, it was guaranteed at least a small chance at being represented. Otherwise, there would be no reason for it to join -- or remain.

The EC ensures a diverse election.

As it should be.

Yea, that's why we have so many relevant "third parties" around right?

[FindersKeepers]

Yea, that's why we have so many relevant "third parties" around right?

They're not quite "relevant" yet but that's because voters have yet to think of them as a valid alternative. If one of them does rise to the competitive level -- it will most likely bump one of the other parties out. It's hard to maintain anything more than two parties.

[Crepitus]

They're not quite "relevant" yet but that's because voters have yet to think of them as a valid alternative. If one of them does rise to the competitive level -- it will most likely bump one of the other parties out. It's hard to maintain anything more than two parties.

So the electoral college is not doing the job you just claimed it did?

Make up your mind.

[NapRover]

Not sure what time of day it was, but there is no doubt as to what day it was:


On June 25, 1962, the United States Supreme Court decided in Engel v. Vitale that a prayer approved by the New York Board of Regents for use in schools violated the First Amendment because it represented establishment of religion.

[FindersKeepers]

So the electoral college is not doing the job you just claimed it did?

Make up your mind.


Of course it is.

The EC was never set up to foster a bunch of third parties -- it was designed to protect the largest geographical number of citizens.

[MMC]

So the electoral college is not doing the job you just claimed it did?

Make up your mind.

Just how did you jump from A and B.....to Q?

[Crepitus]

Of course it is.

The EC was never set up to foster a bunch of third parties -- it was designed to protect the largest geographical number of citizens.

OK, go ahead and back up. I'll be over here when you're done.

[FindersKeepers]

OK, go ahead and back up. I'll be over here when you're done.

I'm not backing you -- you're going to have to catch up.

[Cigar]

Some would say at this election, others back in 2000, still others 1994 when they lost the House, and others back in 1980. But I submit that the Democrat Party's warp speed shift to the Left really began with LBJ and their candidate in the 1968 Presidential Election George McGovern. They caught a break in 1976 with Carter because America was reeling from Watergate, but those Democrats were still (somewhat) Conservative by today's standards. After successive pimpslappings by Reagan (twice) and HW Bush, along came Bill Clinton, who promised to govern as a "new" Democrat. Then along came 1994 and the Contract with America presented by Newt and Co. thush enabling the GOP to accomplish something they haven't been able to do 50 years' prior, and that is retake control of the House. I believe this was the start of the Democrat Party's decline into insanity. Then along came 2000 and their eternal whining about Florida, even after Mr. 2X4 Al Bore conceded. This is what they devolved into today. An entitled bunch who think they are the only ones qualified (there's that word again) to rule the masses, that everyone else is an insignifegant little worm. But little did they know their arrogance and petulance would cost them dearly in 2010, 2014, and the royal b!tchslapping this year. Perhaps then they would start listening to the more Conservative elements of the American electorate rather than pandering to the "protected" classes and special interests.

9:11am

[MMC]

I'm not backing you -- you're going to have to catch up.


Forgetaboutit.....not even on his best day. :wink:

[Dangermouse]

Focus. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/icon_cyclops_ani.gif This is about the Democrats and not the Repubs. Let that filter thru for a few minutes before bloviating. http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/New_Smilies/think.gif

You never let it hold you back, why should I care?

[Cigar]

You never let it hold you back, why should I care?

BTW, did you hear the rumor that Republicans won a few weeks back? :laugh:

So why are they still Whining and B!tching :grin:

Maybe it's because that's what they do.

[Captain Obvious]

Most of the left is unglued, the hacks and progress assholes mostly. Normal liberals have moved on.

[Boris The Animal]

Actually no, Debbie Wasserman did that. I supported Bernie and didn't vote for clinton.So you supported the Communist? Gotcha.

[MisterVeritis]

Are you imply that democrats are not American citizens?
Many are clearly anti-American. Why do you deny it?

[MisterVeritis]

If anyone's unglued it's the GOP! They've been hijacked by RWNJ extremists, and now they're falling compliantly into line.
I love your sense of humor. Whacky! But fun too.

[MisterVeritis]

Well of course you would say that. doesn't matter that that's how every election other than president is decided, the fact is that the republicans almost never win popular votes in national election.
I have a theme song for you to consider:

"Don't know much about history..."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_MkCV_MkgE

[Crepitus]

So you supported the Communist? Gotcha.

Democratic socialist.

[MisterVeritis]

Democratic socialist.
What do you believe the difference between a "democratic socialist" and a communist (other than the political party)?

[Bethere]

What do you believe the difference between a "democratic socialist" and a communist (other than the political party)?

Democratic socialists don't insist on the proletariat owning the means of production.

[MisterVeritis]

Democratic socialists don't insist on the proletariat owning the means of production.
So it is more of a fascist variety of authoritarian statism. Understood.

[Bethere]

So it is more of a fascist variety of authoritarian statism. Understood.

No, you just described the gop. Fascism is the nexus of state and industrial power.

Democratic socialism is more a socialist variety of democracy.

[jimmyz]

I won't. I'm not a Dem.

Member of a marginalized feckless alternate party huh. I feel for ya.

[MisterVeritis]

No, you just described the gop. Fascism is the nexus of state and industrial power. Democratic socialism is more a socialist variety of democracy.
All forms of authoritarian statism seek to control by one method or another. Fascists do it through regulation. That is your team. Trump has promised to lead the fights to roll back regulations and to simplify the tax code and reduce tax rates. That is my team.

Leftists always get this wrong. Intentionally.

[Crepitus]

Many are clearly anti-American. Why do you deny it?

Just because someone has a different idea where the country should be headed doesn't make the anti American.

[Crepitus]

What do you believe the difference between a "democratic socialist" and a communist (other than the political party)?

I'm not even gonna attempt to describe that to you. You are too good at weasel wording and twisting things into what you want them to mean.

[HoneyBadger]

No, you just described the gop. Fascism is the nexus of state and industrial power.



Now you've just described the DNC. They've been specializing in crony capitalism for decades.

[Bethere]

All forms of authoritarian statism seek to control by one method or another. Fascists do it through regulation. That is your team. Trump has promised to lead the fights to roll back regulations and to simplify the tax code and reduce tax rates. That is my team.
Leftists always get this wrong. Intentionally.

Fascism v socialism is not a battle between regulation and deregulation.

Nor is either a measure of how involved government is.

Fascism is the nexus of corporate and governmental power.

Socialism is where the proletariat controls the means of production.

The whole my team/your team bit is 100% pete.

This is a lot like the 57 county thing we discussed earlier today. How intentional was that?

Be strong and speak out against false political science.

[ripmeister]

Member of a marginalized feckless alternate party huh. I feel for ya.
Nope. Just an independent.

[resister]

Fascism v socialism is not a battle between regulation and deregulation.

Nor is either a measure of how involved government is.

Fascism is the nexus of corporate and governmental power.

Socialism is where the proletariat controls the means of production.

The whole my team/your team bit is 100% pete.

This is a lot like the 57 county thing we discussed earlier today. How intentional was that?

Be strong and speak out against false political science.
I hate, Ism's

[ripmeister]

All forms of authoritarian statism seek to control by one method or another. Fascists do it through regulation. That is your team. Trump has promised to lead the fights to roll back regulations and to simplify the tax code and reduce tax rates. That is my team.



Leftists always get this wrong. Intentionally.

Do you agree with any forms of regulation?

[resister]

Do you agree with any forms of regulation?
A regulation against to damn many regulations

[ripmeister]

A regulation against to damn many regulations
Its been my experience that lots of people are anti-regulation until the lack thereof affect them in some negative way. Its a cousin of people who are NIMBYS.

[resister]

Its been my experience that lots of people are anti-regulation until the lack thereof affect them in some negative way. Its a cousin of people who are NIMBYS.They get out of hand.The regulators fall in love with them .

[nic34]

Of course it is, the gop has made gains in every election since 2010 except for obamas relection in 2012.
They won the house and the senate increased their seats, won potus and won a record breaking amount of state seats. I admit its all thiers to screw up but the gop isnt in nearly the pickle the democrats are.

You really should read a more varied mix of sites for info


In his State of the Union speech, President Obama called on lawmakers and the public to take a number of steps "to change the system to reflect our better selves" for "a better politics." The top item on that list was to end partisan gerrymandering: "we have to end the practice of drawing our congressional districts so that politicians can pick their voters, and not the other way around," Obama said.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/13/this-is-actually-what-america-would-look-like-without-gerrymandering/


Great idea.

[MisterVeritis]

All forms of authoritarian statism seek to control by one method or another. Fascists do it through regulation. That is your team. Trump has promised to lead the fights to roll back regulations and to simplify the tax code and reduce tax rates. That is my team.
Leftists always get this wrong. Intentionally.

Fascism v socialism is not a battle between regulation and deregulation.
Fascism and socialism are both means to control the state's populations and businesses. With who do you argue?

Nor is either a measure of how involved government is.
Granted. Irrelevant.

Fascism is the nexus of corporate and governmental power.
Nonsense. The government controls businesses through coercion and regulations.

Socialism is where the proletariat controls the means of production.
One can control businesses in a variety of ways. Owning them is the most extreme. Regulating them to death is fascism. Both are tools used by authoritarian statists.

The whole my team/your team bit is 100% pete.
I cannot be entirely certain but I believe I started using it first. Pete was more consistent.

This is a lot like the 57 county thing we discussed earlier today. How intentional was that?
It was a simple error. I make them from time to time.

Be strong and speak out against false political science.
I frequently do. Our exchanges are great examples.

[MisterVeritis]

All forms of authoritarian statism seek to control by one method or another. Fascists do it through regulation. That is your team. Trump has promised to lead the fights to roll back regulations and to simplify the tax code and reduce tax rates. That is my team.

Do you agree with any forms of regulation?
No. The Executive branch should never make laws. The legislative branch is accountable to the people. Lawmaking authority rests in legislatures.
It is time to end the unconstitutional practice of allowing the Executive branch make laws.

[MisterVeritis]

Its been my experience that lots of people are anti-regulation until the lack thereof affect them in some negative way. Its a cousin of people who are NIMBYS.
One cannot hold a regulatory agency accountable. It is tyrannical to allow those who are not accountable to the people make laws.

[nic34]

Republicans rigged the House through gerrymandering. Democrats can fight back at the ballot box (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/6/29/1394141/-Republicans-rigged-the-House-through-gerrymandering-Democrats-can-fight-back-at-the-ballot-box)

So what can progressives and democracy activists do to fight back against Republican efforts to rig the system? In the wake of the Supreme Court's new decision (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/29/1393091/-Supreme-Court-upholds-Arizona-s-independent-redistricting-commission-dealing-blow-to-Republicans?detail=hide) upholding the constitutionality of Arizona's independent redistricting commission, one strategy is clear: Reformers should try to institute similar changes in other states where voters can put initiatives on the ballot. Arizona and California both successfully voted for independent commission reforms that produced fair maps. There's no reason this can't happen elsewhere.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/29/1394141/-Republicans-rigged-the-House-through-gerrymandering-Democrats-can-fight-back-at-the-ballot-box

[ripmeister]

All forms of authoritarian statism seek to control by one method or another. Fascists do it through regulation. That is your team. Trump has promised to lead the fights to roll back regulations and to simplify the tax code and reduce tax rates. That is my team.

No. The Executive branch should never make laws. The legislative branch is accountable to the people. Lawmaking authority rests in legislatures.
It is time to end the unconstitutional practice of allowing the Executive branch make laws.

So you would agree with some legislatively born forms of regulation.

[Boris The Animal]

Republicans rigged the House through gerrymandering. Democrats can fight back at the ballot box (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/6/29/1394141/-Republicans-rigged-the-House-through-gerrymandering-Democrats-can-fight-back-at-the-ballot-box)

So what can progressives and democracy activists do to fight back against Republican efforts to rig the system? In the wake of the Supreme Court's new decision (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/29/1393091/-Supreme-Court-upholds-Arizona-s-independent-redistricting-commission-dealing-blow-to-Republicans?detail=hide) upholding the constitutionality of Arizona's independent redistricting commission, one strategy is clear: Reformers should try to institute similar changes in other states where voters can put initiatives on the ballot. Arizona and California both successfully voted for independent commission reforms that produced fair maps. There's no reason this can't happen elsewhere.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/29/1394141/-Republicans-rigged-the-House-through-gerrymandering-Democrats-can-fight-back-at-the-ballot-box:rofl:

[MisterVeritis]

So you would agree with some legislatively born forms of regulation.
We call those laws.

[Grizz]

Are you imply that democrats are not American citizens?

Fact, Trump is the American President which makes Trump the President of ALL Americans.
Very simple.

[Grizz]

Republicans rigged the House through gerrymandering. Democrats can fight back at the ballot box (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/6/29/1394141/-Republicans-rigged-the-House-through-gerrymandering-Democrats-can-fight-back-at-the-ballot-box)

So what can progressives and democracy activists do to fight back against Republican efforts to rig the system? In the wake of the Supreme Court's new decision (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/29/1393091/-Supreme-Court-upholds-Arizona-s-independent-redistricting-commission-dealing-blow-to-Republicans?detail=hide) upholding the constitutionality of Arizona's independent redistricting commission, one strategy is clear: Reformers should try to institute similar changes in other states where voters can put initiatives on the ballot. Arizona and California both successfully voted for independent commission reforms that produced fair maps. There's no reason this can't happen elsewhere.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/29/1394141/-Republicans-rigged-the-House-through-gerrymandering-Democrats-can-fight-back-at-the-ballot-box
Gerrymandering is a weapon BOTH sides use.

[Crepitus]

Fact, Trump is the American President which makes Trump the President of ALL Americans.
Very simple.
I agree, however some of our conservative brethren seem to think that Democrats are not Americans.

[nic34]

Gerrymandering is a weapon BOTH sides use.

But Gopers have the reputation of using it to extreme...


Or maybe people have grown disenfranchised after living in what has long been considered the most gerrymandered district in the United States. Twenty-five years ago, North Carolina lawmakers drew the 12th district, creating the second majority-minority district in a state with a dark history of denying black residents their voting rights.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/gerrymandering-supreme-court-us-election-north-carolina

[ripmeister]

Gerrymandering is a weapon BOTH sides use.
And that is the problem. The side out of power to draw the lines bitches until they get back in power and vice versa. Until gerrymandering is addressed we will never have true representation of the people.

[Amadeus]

The Democrats are more unified in their ideology, but far too beholden to corporations and big money since the 1990s. Whereas the Republicans are a hodgepodge of several competing conservative ideologies (now subservient to Trump), the Democrats are simply progressive to varying degrees (usually center-left). There were neocons and neoliberals in the party, but most were in agreement on the direction. The Clinton wing which comprised almost the totality of the party's centrist influence has been decimated. So they have no leaders, and they are now trying to decide where to double-down on being a centrist party, or go in a truly progressive/liberal direction.

The Democrats used to be a conservative Southern party (to be blunt, a racist party). And the Republicans used to be the party of New York liberals. Oh how the times have changed.

[patrickt]

1828.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)