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MMC
11-28-2016, 01:19 PM
Trump will have some assistance in cutting off funding for Sanctuary Cities.....now that Demo Mayors and Governors flapped their gums before the Cameras on how they will provide Sanctuary for illegals. Including those with records. Republican Governors will cut funding to the Sanctuary Cities in their States. What say ye?





Texas Gov. Greg Abbott took to Twitter Sunday night to announce his plan to ban sanctuary cities in the Lone Star State. He also revealed (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307634-tex-gov-says-he-will-sign-law-banning-sanctuary-cities) his administration has issued an executive order cutting off funding to such cities.



Greg Abbott ✔ @GregAbbott_TX Yes. I'm going to sign a law that bans sanctuary cities. Also I've already issued an order cutting funding to sanctuary cities. #txlege (https://twitter.com/hashtag/txlege?src=hash) https://twitter.com/that_ren/status/803054986456428544 … (https://t.co/uYXa2QFrvE)
9:06 PM - 27 Nov 2016 (https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/803072432563167232)


The Republican governor was responding to a Twitter user’s question asking him if he could do anything about the city of Austin, Texas pledging to remain a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants.


One of the major battles between the GOP and Democrats heading into 2017 will be the issue of illegal immigration. During his first television interview since becoming the president-elect, Trump promised on 60 Minutes to deport any illegal immigrant who was a member of a gang or had a criminal record.


Similar to Gov. Abbott promising to block money to sanctuary cities in Texas, president-elect Trump has pledged to cut off federal funding to sanctuary cities across the country......snip~

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/jasonhopkins/2016/11/28/texas-governor-to-ban-sanctuary-cities-n2251637

decedent
11-28-2016, 01:22 PM
If the argument is that illegal immigrants are hurting the local economies, I wonder why "sanctuary cities" do so well.

But this seems to be more about race than economics.

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 01:26 PM
If the argument is that immigrants are hurting the local economies, I wonder why "sanctuary cities" do so well.


But this seems to be more about race than economics.

The argument isn't about immigrants. It is about illegal immigrants who are breaking our laws by even being here. Send them home and let them get to the back of the line.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 01:27 PM
If the argument is that immigrants are hurting the local economies, I wonder why "sanctuary cities" do so well.

But this seems to be more about race than economics.

Borders still matter. At least the votes are in that direction.

Brexit. Trumpslide. Next up Italy, France and Germany.

DGUtley
11-28-2016, 01:30 PM
I haven't given this issue a lot of thought. I don't think it's about race, at least not for me, it's about law. I struggle with the issue of church sanctuary -vs- federal law. I struggle with state's rights -vs- constitutional obligation to secure the border and the recent SC decision that Obama got against Arizona. I will ponder this issue and maybe jump in after I've thought about it more.

decedent
11-28-2016, 01:30 PM
The argument isn't about immigrants. It is about illegal immigrants who are breaking our laws by even being here. Send them home and let them get to the back of the line.

I edited my post.

Maybe these "sanctuary cities" are doing so well because these immigrants are working hard and paying taxes while getting very little in return. They have no rights despite contributing to the economy.

Cigar
11-28-2016, 01:31 PM
What ever happened to States Rights :laugh:

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 01:32 PM
I edited my post.

Maybe these "sanctuary cities" are doing so well because these immigrants are working hard and paying taxes while getting very little in return. They have no rights despite contributing to the economy.
They are here illegally, so to me none of that matters. They need to go home and go to the back of the line. The more we reward those who ignore our laws, the more of a problem it will be.

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 01:34 PM
What ever happened to States Rights :laugh:
Immigration control was specifically given to the Federal Government through the Constitution.

DGUtley
11-28-2016, 01:34 PM
What ever happened to States Rights :laugh:

...the constitution gives the obligation to secure the border to the feds. In fact, Obama sued Arizona over this very issue - supremacy. Again, that's off the cuff.

Cigar
11-28-2016, 01:36 PM
Immigration control was specifically given to the Federal Government through the Constitution.

Good thing we had a Democrat in The White House who's deported more illegal immigrants than any Republican President

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 01:37 PM
Good thing we had a Democrat in The White House who's deported more illegal immigrants than any Republican President
And yet he neglected to secure our borders, so they just sneak back over. It sure looked good on paper though. :grin:

Newpublius
11-28-2016, 01:41 PM
What ever happened to States Rights :laugh:

Ezactly what this is. This TX telling its sibdivisions what they can't do. States are 'unitary' states and the municipalities are 'creatures of the state'

nic34
11-28-2016, 01:44 PM
And yet he neglected to secure our borders, so they just sneak back over. It sure looked good on paper though. :grin:

The U.S. Already Spends Billions on Border Security



http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201608/a_101_immigrationnumbers_160831.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-wall-would-add-billions-u-s-spends-border-n640251

I see, teh Chump wants a "big,beautiful wall."

Over the past 24 years, the amount of money spent on border security has increased 14 times; the number of border patrol agents have increased 500 percent; the amount of border wall has grown from 77 miles to 700 miles since 2000; and the number of people being apprehended trying to cross the border have decreased by four-fifths.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 01:45 PM
Take a look at the enumerated powers in the general welfare clause. That is what the federal government does. Everything else is left to the states and the people.

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 01:51 PM
The U.S. Already Spends Billions on Border Security



http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201608/a_101_immigrationnumbers_160831.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-wall-would-add-billions-u-s-spends-border-n640251

I see, teh Chump wants a "big,beautiful wall."

Over the past 24 years, the amount of money spent on border security has increased 14 times; the number of border patrol agents have increased 500 percent; the amount of border wall has grown from 77 miles to 700 miles since 2000; and the number of people being apprehended trying to cross the border have decreased by four-fifths.

Your link talks about the last 24 years. Apparently, the administration of the past 8 didn't do as well. The Union that represents the Border Patrol Agents, as well as many of the members themselves spoke out in Trump's favor all through the election. Those are the guys in the trenches, who know what is needed.

MMC
11-28-2016, 02:07 PM
Looks like a Repub was ahead of the game and has those Demo Mayors and Governors set up already.




Congressman John Culberson Set Up a Kill Switch on Sanctuary City Funding.....


https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/vdare-live/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/24122116/PledgeToRemainSanctuaryCitiesMapNov17.jpg


Rep. John Culberson (R-TX) states the following:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mmNl227L6M


Yes, Eric, no legislation is required. Congress does not need to pass a bill. Very quietly, last July, I created an off switch which is in place. Loretta Lynch as Attorney General agreed with me. I did this quietly and thoughtfully, behind the scenes, but the Attorney General has already posted a new policy on their website last July 7th telling every city and state in America you must comply 100% of the time with requests from federal authorities to hand over criminal illegal aliens in your custody to be deported or you will lose all your federal funding. That's already the policy of the Department of Justice, Eric, I saw to that personally. So on day one, at noon on January 20th, President Trump has an off switch which I created which he can throw at noon to cut off all federal law enforcement funding to these cities that are providing sanctuary and protection to dangerous criminal illegal aliens in their jurisdiction.
...
So on January 20th at noon, President Trump, there's 10 cities that I got certified as sanctuary cities, and these again are cities providing sanctuary to criminals convicted of dangerous crimes who are here illegally I got 10 cities, including Chicago and New York, certified as sanctuary cities. Donald Trump can throw the switch and cut off money to those top 10 cities at noon on January 20th, because they've had warning, they've had a chance to fix it, and if they won't fix it their money can be cut off at noon January 20th.
...
January 20th the money's gone, and the policy says they will owe us a refund check for every federal dollar they received while they, if they refuse to change their policy. So California is going to have to write a check, Eric, as you just said, for several billion dollars. And that's a minimum figure. Either. The days of accepting federal money and refusing to follow federal law are over. This is very simple: if you want federal money, follow federal law. That's been the policy since July 7th that I made sure was in place, and now Donald Trump can put that into place, he can throw the switch at noon on January 20th and make sure, if you want federal money, follow federal law. It's very simple......snip~


http://www.vdare.com/posts/congressman-john-culberson-set-up-a-kill-switch-on-sanctuary-city-funding

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 02:09 PM
Cut their funding.

And don't let the illegals slip out as the cities crumble. Keep them all in.
Looks like a Repub was ahead of the game and has those Demo Mayors and Governors set up already.




Congressman John Culberson Set Up a Kill Switch on Sanctuary City Funding.....


https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/vdare-live/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/24122116/PledgeToRemainSanctuaryCitiesMapNov17.jpg


Rep. John Culberson (R-TX) states the following:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mmNl227L6M


Yes, Eric, no legislation is required. Congress does not need to pass a bill. Very quietly, last July, I created an off switch which is in place. Loretta Lynch as Attorney General agreed with me. I did this quietly and thoughtfully, behind the scenes, but the Attorney General has already posted a new policy on their website last July 7th telling every city and state in America you must comply 100% of the time with requests from federal authorities to hand over criminal illegal aliens in your custody to be deported or you will lose all your federal funding. That's already the policy of the Department of Justice, Eric, I saw to that personally. So on day one, at noon on January 20th, President Trump has an off switch which I created which he can throw at noon to cut off all federal law enforcement funding to these cities that are providing sanctuary and protection to dangerous criminal illegal aliens in their jurisdiction.
...
So on January 20th at noon, President Trump, there's 10 cities that I got certified as sanctuary cities, and these again are cities providing sanctuary to criminals convicted of dangerous crimes who are here illegally I got 10 cities, including Chicago and New York, certified as sanctuary cities. Donald Trump can throw the switch and cut off money to those top 10 cities at noon on January 20th, because they've had warning, they've had a chance to fix it, and if they won't fix it their money can be cut off at noon January 20th.
...
January 20th the money's gone, and the policy says they will owe us a refund check for every federal dollar they received while they, if they refuse to change their policy. So California is going to have to write a check, Eric, as you just said, for several billion dollars. And that's a minimum figure. Either. The days of accepting federal money and refusing to follow federal law are over. This is very simple: if you want federal money, follow federal law. That's been the policy since July 7th that I made sure was in place, and now Donald Trump can put that into place, he can throw the switch at noon on January 20th and make sure, if you want federal money, follow federal law. It's very simple......snip~


http://www.vdare.com/posts/congressman-john-culberson-set-up-a-kill-switch-on-sanctuary-city-funding

MMC
11-28-2016, 02:21 PM
Cut their funding.

And don't let the illegals slip out as the cities crumble. Keep them all in.

This Repub was smart and used Demo policy against themselves.


The law was passed in 1996 during the administration of President Bill Clinton to force local and state jurisdictions to cooperate with immigration officials or risk losing federal funding. Part of the process requires the federal agency’s office of inspector general to certify that a jurisdiction is not in compliance in order to block funding.


“The law requires cooperation with immigration officials 100 percent of the time,” Culberson told Breitbart Texas in an exclusive interview. In February, Culberson provided Attorney General Lynch with a list of more than 300 sanctuary cities compiled by the Center for Immigration Studies.


From that list, the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General compiled a top-ten list of sanctuary jurisdictions. Those jurisdictions receive about 65 percent of federal law enforcement grants managed by the DOJ he said. Those jurisdictions include the entire states of California and Connecticut; Orleans Parish in Louisiana; New York City; Philadelphia; Cook County, Illinois; Miami-Dade County, Florida; Milwaukee, Wisconsin; and Clark County, Nevada. These jurisdictions have received more than $342 million in federal payments.



The 16-page report from the inspector general’s office was completed in May 2016, but was initially marked as “Law Enforcement Sensitive,” Culberson told Breitbart Texas. This marking prevented making the information public. Since that time, he used his power over the agency’s budget to force the inspector general to remove the classification. This was accomplished late last week, the congressman said.


He stated that the DOJ has notified these jurisdictions that unless they become 100 percent compliant with the law, they will not be eligible to receive these grants for the next fiscal year. The grant process begins in January 2017, Culberson explained. “The applications are taken in February and March and the awards are announced early in the summer months,” he stated.


While the law was passed in 1996, it took Culberson’s actions to force the DOJ to finally enforce the law for the first time in July 2016. “I had to stand on their ‘air hose,’” Culberson explained referring to Congress’ power to cut a federal agencies’ funds. “For those on the top-ten list, it is done.”


“The critical steps have already been taken,” Chairman Culberson stated. “President Trump and Attorney General Sessions will, on day one, be able to strip the funding from these sanctuary jurisdictions simply by enforcing existing law.”.....snip~

http://www.vdare.com/posts/congressman-john-culberson-set-up-a-kill-switch-on-sanctuary-city-funding



Governor Cuomo. De Blasio and Emanuel.....Who ya gonna call? http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_laughing.gif

MMC
11-28-2016, 02:33 PM
The U.S. Already Spends Billions on Border Security



http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201608/a_101_immigrationnumbers_160831.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-wall-would-add-billions-u-s-spends-border-n640251

I see, teh Chump wants a "big,beautiful wall."

Over the past 24 years, the amount of money spent on border security has increased 14 times; the number of border patrol agents have increased 500 percent; the amount of border wall has grown from 77 miles to 700 miles since 2000; and the number of people being apprehended trying to cross the border have decreased by four-fifths.

Remember When Chuck Schumer And These Top Democrats Voted To Build A Border Wall...In 2006?.....


Democrats may be huffing and puffing with irritation over President-elect Donald J. Trump’s immigration policy that calls for a border wall, or some sort of physical obstacle to curb illegal immigration. Yet, two things are glaring: 1) a lot of Democrats, like incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) voted for the wall; and 2) most of it is already built.


That’s right. In 2006, scores of Democrats, including Schumer, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), and Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) voted for George W. Bush’s wall in 2006, according to Rachel Stoltzfoos of The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/15/flashback-that-time-all-of-americas-top-dems-voted-to-fund-bushs-border-wall/):


[Two-thirds of the Republican-led House approved the bill, including 64 Democrats, and 80 of 100 senators approved the bill in the Senate. Then Sens. Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton were among the 26 Democrats who approved the bill. Supporters also included Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is set to take over leadership of the Senate for Democrats in 2016.
Other Democrats in the Senate who voted for the wall in 2006 are Sens. Barbara Boxer (CA), Sherrod Brown (OH — then in the House), Tom Carper (DE), Dianne Feinstein (CA), Barbara Mikulski (MD), Bill Nelson (FL), Debbie Stabenow (MI), and Ron Wyden (OR).]


Also, the wall is pretty much built (via WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/21/yes-trump-will-build-his-border-wall-most-of-it-is-already-built/)):


[Since the early 1990s, politicians of all stripes have scrambled to show their commitment to border security. During that time, annual federal funding for border and immigration control mushroomed from $1.5 billion to $19.5 billion. According to one estimate, Washington spends $5 billion more on border and immigration control than for all other federal law enforcement combined.

And the result? Hundreds of miles of metal barriers have gone up. Technologies initially developed for the military have been adapted for border enforcement. A fleet of manned and unmanned aircraft have been deployed to monitor from the air. Thousands of new agents have been hired. The size of the Border Patrol doubled in the 1990s and has more than doubled again since the beginning of the century, from about 4,000 personnel to more than 21,000.
[…]

What’s much more realistic is that Trump will simply add more miles of fencing; reinforce existing fencing in key, visible places; and deploy even more border guards, stadium lighting, and the latest high-tech detection and surveillance equipment. The newest, tallest part of the Trump Wall — probably erected at one of the most visible, urban spots on the border — would be an effective backdrop for the president’s celebratory news conference announcing its construction.]


Even Clinton voted for (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/10/did-clinton-once-want-to-build-a-wall-too-230026) a border obstacle/fence/wall in 2006 as well......snip~

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/23/remember-when-chuck-schumer-and-these-top-democrats-voted-to-build-a-border-wallin-2006-n2249715


http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/smiley_ROFLMAO.gif

decedent
11-28-2016, 02:55 PM
Borders still matter. At least the votes are in that direction.

Brexit. Trumpslide. Next up Italy, France and Germany.

Brexit? Construction is down, the pound is down, the mood is down. I would never wish that on Italy, France or Germany.


But I'm glad you care so much about other countries, as nationalists tend to do.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 02:59 PM
Brexit? Construction is down, the pound is down, the mood is down. I would never wish that on Italy, France or Germany.


But I'm glad you care so much about other countries, as nationalists tend to do.
They don't think it is smart to import lots of people who totally reject feminism and gay rights.

decedent
11-28-2016, 03:00 PM
They are here illegally, so to me none of that matters. They need to go home and go to the back of the line. The more we reward those who ignore our laws, the more of a problem it will be.

Is it too late to prosecute Melania for working in NYC without a work visa? That was in 1995 or so, so I guess it may be too late.

MMC
11-28-2016, 03:00 PM
Looks like the left will have to avoid talking about Building a Wall on the Border.....of course they could say they have evolved.


Like from the egg to being hard boiled, huh? :laugh:

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 03:01 PM
Is it too late to prosecute Melania for working in NYC without a work visa? That was in 1995 or so, so I guess it may be too late.

Sour grapes?

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 03:22 PM
Is it too late to prosecute Melania for working in NYC without a work visa? That was in 1995 or so, so I guess it may be too late.
Probably is, but since she is married to an American citizen, it's pretty much a moot point now isn't it.

Should I interpret your attempt at distraction to mean you concede my point?

Cigar
11-28-2016, 03:26 PM
Looks like the left will have to avoid talking about Building a Wall on the Border.....of course they could say they have evolved.


Like from the egg to being hard boiled, huh? :laugh:

We're a Country who doesn't like spending money on Maintaining Infrastructure, so why add more Infrastructure that no one wants to maintain?

After the newness is gone, someone has to pay for maintenance.

MMC
11-28-2016, 03:48 PM
We're a Country who doesn't like spending money on Maintaining Infrastructure, so why add more Infrastructure that no one wants to maintain?

After the newness is gone, someone has to pay for maintenance.



including 64 Democrats, and 80 of 100 senators approved the bill in the Senate. Then Sens. Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton were among the 26 Democrats who approved the bill. Supporters also included Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is set to take over leadership of the Senate for Democrats in 2016.
Other Democrats in the Senate who voted for the wall in 2006 are Sens. Barbara Boxer (CA), Sherrod Brown (OH — then in the House), Tom Carper (DE), Dianne Feinstein (CA), Barbara Mikulski (MD), Bill Nelson (FL), Debbie Stabenow (MI), and Ron Wyden (OR).].....snip~


Maybe you should ask those of your kind why they voted for more Infrastructure that needed to be maintained, and then ask them why didn't they maintain it.

decedent
11-28-2016, 04:01 PM
Probably is, but since she is married to an American citizen, it's pretty much a moot point now isn't it.

Should I interpret your attempt at distraction to mean you concede my point?

No, I'm just exposing hypocrisy. This is all about race, which is why the people calling for "justice" regarding Melania's illegal immigrant work are willing to overlook it.

DGUtley
11-28-2016, 04:05 PM
No, I'm just exposing hypocrisy. This is all about race, which is why the people calling for "justice" regarding Melania's illegal immigrant work are willing to overlook it.

Serious question: Why do you think it's "all about" race? Do you think if it was Irish Catholics or Italian Catholics (as opposed to Hispanic Catholics) doing the exact same things, that nobody would have a problem with it?

I can assure you that I would. The law is the law. We were once a nation of laws. We should be so again. I'm seriously interested in your thoughts here, or on pm. YOu may be right about some, and I'm curious. Thank you. DGU.

decedent
11-28-2016, 04:21 PM
Serious question: Why do you think it's "all about" race? Do you think if it was Irish Catholics or Italian Catholics (as opposed to Hispanic Catholics) doing the exact same things, that nobody would have a problem with it?

Is anyone complaining about illegal immigration from Europe? Does anyone want a wall built across the Canadian border? Why do racists love Trump so much? Why is white nationalism surging lately? Why is the far right obsessed with Islam? Why don't they complain about Melania's illegal work in the US? Why are so many anti-immigration groups aligned with racist groups? Why did Trump want to abolish the 14th Amendment? What's wrong with taco trucks on street corners?

"Do your duty. Make more babies... half of the kids in this country under five years old are minorities. By far the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." -- John Gibson, Fox News.

I can assure you that I would. The law is the law. We were once a nation of laws. We should be so again. I'm seriously interested in your thoughts here, or on pm. YOu may be right about some, and I'm curious. Thank you. DGU.

This is a post-truth, post-law society where almost half of voters elected a guy who continually skirts the law. He just had to pay for an illegal University. This election was about nationalism... with a racial tinge.

Enough cherry picking. Are you going to support Trump's impeachment for not divorcing himself from his businesses? Or his unsecured calls to foreign leaders? Or his lack of diligence in attending important meetings? How about Pence and his email issues? The law is the law, after all.

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 04:24 PM
No, I'm just exposing hypocrisy. This is all about race, which is why the people calling for "justice" regarding Melania's illegal immigrant work are willing to overlook it.

When have I ever said anything about race, when it comes to illegal immigration? I couldn't care less if they are from Mexico or England. If they are here illegally, get em out.

decedent
11-28-2016, 04:25 PM
Sour grapes?

Justice. You guys claim to be concerned about it.

Lock her up!


When have I ever said anything about race, when it comes to illegal immigration? I couldn't care less if they are from Mexico or England. If they are here illegally, get em out.

I didn't mean you. I meant the racism driving anti-immigrant policy.

resister
11-28-2016, 04:29 PM
Is anyone complaining about illegal immigration from Europe? Does anyone want a wall built across the Canadian border? Why do racists love Trump so much? Why is white nationalism surging lately? Why is the far right obsessed with Islam? Why don't they complain about Melania's illegal work in the US? Why are so many anti-immigration groups aligned with racist groups? Why did Trump want to abolish the 14th Amendment? What's wrong with taco trucks on street corners?

"Do your duty. Make more babies... half of the kids in this country under five years old are minorities. By far the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." -- John Gibson, Fox News.


This is a post-truth, post-law society where almost half of voters elected a guy who continually skirts the law. He just had to pay for an illegal University. This election was about nationalism... with a racial tinge.

Enough cherry picking. Are you going to support Trump's impeachment for not divorcing himself from his businesses? Or his unsecured calls to foreign leaders? Or his lack of diligence in attending important meetings? How about Pence and his email issues? The law is the law, after all.
Beat that race drum.It is a requirement of a lockstepping dem.I know plenty of trump voters, not one are remotely racist.But your stereotyping every one as racist, displays your racism clearly

resister
11-28-2016, 04:30 PM
Justice. You guys claim to be concerned about it.

Lock her up!



I didn't mean you. I meant the racism driving anti-immigrant policy.
Not since hilarious ran

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 04:31 PM
I didn't mean you. I meant the racism driving anti-immigrant policy.
What racism is driving the anti illegal immigrant policy? I have yet to hear anybody call to only throw out illegal immigrants of Hispanic decent.

Mister D
11-28-2016, 04:37 PM
No, I'm just exposing hypocrisy. This is all about race, which is why the people calling for "justice" regarding Melania's illegal immigrant work are willing to overlook it.

Let us know when millions of uneducated Slovenes migrate to the US.

MisterVeritis
11-28-2016, 04:45 PM
Is anyone complaining about illegal immigration from Europe?
I suppose most of those (assuming there are any) have overstayed their visas. Find them, charge them and deport them.

Cletus
11-28-2016, 05:25 PM
No, I'm just exposing hypocrisy. This is all about race, which is why the people calling for "justice" regarding Melania's illegal immigrant work are willing to overlook it.

For YOU it is about race. That is a typical Liberal trait. For the average Liberal, EVERYTHING is about race or gender or sexual orientation or whatever other little pigeonhole they stuff someone in to create more division among people.

You are harping on race because you can't see people as PEOPLE. You see them as White or Black or Brown or homosexual or heterosexual or Christian or Muslim or Jewish... you never see them as just people. You are incapable of it. It is because of people like you that we have so much division in this country.

decedent
11-28-2016, 05:54 PM
Beat that race drum.It is a requirement of a lockstepping dem.I know plenty of trump voters, not one are remotely racist.But your stereotyping every one as racist, displays your racism clearly

What racism is driving the anti illegal immigrant policy? I have yet to hear anybody call to only throw out illegal immigrants of Hispanic decent.

Let us know when millions of uneducated Slovenes migrate to the US.

I'm sure you concerned citizens will get right on this. 'Cuz you value justice so much.


Melania Trump outright lied under oath about having a college degree (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/revealed-melania-trump-outright-lied-under-oath-about-having-a-college-degree/)

Looks like a perjury to me.



Lock her up!

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 05:57 PM
Cultures and borders matter. Brexit. The Trumpslide. Next up Italy, Germany and France.

Your team is losing.


Is anyone complaining about illegal immigration from Europe? Does anyone want a wall built across the Canadian border? Why do racists love Trump so much? Why is white nationalism surging lately? Why is the far right obsessed with Islam? Why don't they complain about Melania's illegal work in the US? Why are so many anti-immigration groups aligned with racist groups? Why did Trump want to abolish the 14th Amendment? What's wrong with taco trucks on street corners?

"Do your duty. Make more babies... half of the kids in this country under five years old are minorities. By far the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." -- John Gibson, Fox News.


This is a post-truth, post-law society where almost half of voters elected a guy who continually skirts the law. He just had to pay for an illegal University. This election was about nationalism... with a racial tinge.

Enough cherry picking. Are you going to support Trump's impeachment for not divorcing himself from his businesses? Or his unsecured calls to foreign leaders? Or his lack of diligence in attending important meetings? How about Pence and his email issues? The law is the law, after all.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 05:59 PM
Justice. You guys claim to be concerned about it.

Lock her up!



I didn't mean you. I meant the racism driving anti-immigrant policy.
It is odd that the hard left insists on importing people who reject feminism and gay rights.

As an aside, I think it is treason.

resister
11-28-2016, 06:03 PM
I'm sure you concerned citizens will get right on this. 'Cuz you value justice so much.


Melania Trump outright lied under oath about having a college degree (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/revealed-melania-trump-outright-lied-under-oath-about-having-a-college-degree/)

Looks like a perjury to me.



Lock her up!Just ignore when you can't defend.A democrap requirement as well

resister
11-28-2016, 06:36 PM
Just ignore when you can't defend.A democrap requirement as wellCue crickets chirping.It's so quite you can hear e mails being deleted at the DNC headquarters

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 06:44 PM
I'm sure you concerned citizens will get right on this. 'Cuz you value justice so much.


Melania Trump outright lied under oath about having a college degree (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/revealed-melania-trump-outright-lied-under-oath-about-having-a-college-degree/)

Looks like a perjury to me.



Lock her up!

Do you have any reputable sources for that claim? I have been googling it 6 ways to Sunday and cannot find anything else except from left wing blogs and questionable sources. None of the sources can confirm it, and although they claim to have the court transcript, there is no way to tell since they only show a few lines from it with no header.

The Statute of Limitations on Federal cases for perjury is 5 years, and since none of the sources say whether the case was federal or state, not to mention which state, if that's the case, I have to assume the time is up.
If the claims are true, and the Statute of Limitations has not expired, I say charge her. Otherwise, there is nothing that can be done.

decedent
11-28-2016, 06:46 PM
Just ignore when you can't defend.A democrap requirement as well
Just ignore the fact that this Trump may have been an illegal immigrant. Focus on the brown ones.



Do you have any reputable sources for that claim? I have been googling it 6 ways to Sunday and cannot find anything else except from left wing blogs and questionable sources. None of the sources can confirm it, and although they claim to have the court transcript, there is no way to tell since they only show a few lines from it with no header.

I provided a reliable source.

The Statute of Limitations on Federal cases for perjury is 5 years, and since none of the sources say whether the case was federal or state, not to mention which state, if that's the case, I have to assume the time is up.
If the claims are true, and the Statute of Limitations has not expired, I say charge her. Otherwise, there is nothing that can be done.
How about you law and order guys be consistent and charge her.

resister
11-28-2016, 06:48 PM
Beat that race drum.It is a requirement of a lockstepping dem.I know plenty of trump voters, not one are remotely racist.But your stereotyping every one as racist, displays your racism clearly
I was reffering to this^(you know, the one you chose to ignore)

decedent
11-28-2016, 06:50 PM
I was reffering to this^(you know, the one you chose to ignore)

It's irrelevant: I never said that all Trump supporters are racist. I'm saying (again) that racism seems to be fueling anti-immigration policy, which is why there are the inconsistencies mentioned above.

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 06:59 PM
I provided a reliable source.

We disagree on that. Plus even the MSM, who I have a hard time believing anyways, wouldn't touch the story. Not even MSNBC or the NY Times, not a word...


How about you law and order guys be consistent and charge her.

Well, since you have provided no evidence, and the Statute of Limitations is out anyways, no.

Get back to me when you have some facts.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 07:01 PM
Do you have any reputable sources for that claim? I have been googling it 6 ways to Sunday and cannot find anything else except from left wing blogs and questionable sources. None of the sources can confirm it, and although they claim to have the court transcript, there is no way to tell since they only show a few lines from it with no header.

The Statute of Limitations on Federal cases for perjury is 5 years, and since none of the sources say whether the case was federal or state, not to mention which state, if that's the case, I have to assume the time is up.
If the claims are true, and the Statute of Limitations has not expired, I say charge her. Otherwise, there is nothing that can be done.
They are probably just making it up. That is what they do.

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 07:02 PM
They are probably just making it up. That is what they do.
That is my assumption at this point. Odd that it is the left complaining about fake news, and yet...

resister
11-28-2016, 07:03 PM
It's irrelevant: I never said that all Trump supporters are racist. I'm saying (again) that racism seems to be fueling anti-immigration policy, which is why there are the inconsistencies mentioned above.
You have repeatedly called trump voters racist

Mister D
11-28-2016, 07:18 PM
I'm sure you concerned citizens will get right on this. 'Cuz you value justice so much.


Melania Trump outright lied under oath about having a college degree (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/revealed-melania-trump-outright-lied-under-oath-about-having-a-college-degree/)

Looks like a perjury to me.



Lock her up!

That's nice. Let me know when the great Slovene migration goes down.

Standing Wolf
11-28-2016, 07:53 PM
Yes, immigration control is a federal responsibility, and federal authorities do not have the power to, in effect, deputize state and local officials to do their job.

If the Feds want to play hardball with state and local governments by withholding funds, there are dozens of ways to inconvenience or outright cripple the activities of the federal government that are carried out locally - all of them legal.

resister
11-28-2016, 07:55 PM
Yes, immigration control is a federal responsibility, and federal authorities do not have the power to, in effect, deputize state and local officials to do their job.

If the Feds want to play hardball with state and local governments by withholding funds, there are dozens of ways to inconvenience or outright cripple the activities of the federal government that are carried out locally - all of them legal.
Care to name some?Going against the hog with the big nut's, take a bigger stick

Standing Wolf
11-28-2016, 08:05 PM
Care to name some?Going against the hog with the big nut's, take a bigger stick

One that comes immediately to mind is to withhold, in part or wholly, the cooperation with federal law enforcement authorities that local police provide - everything from allowing them to establish offices within police buildings and courthouses to providing security for Presidential and other official visits to guarding federal court buildings. It would take state and local officials with some real stones, but it is entirely doable.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 08:05 PM
That's nice. Let me know when the great Slovene migration goes down.

It is a great country. You should visit.

resister
11-28-2016, 08:30 PM
One that comes immediately to mind is to withhold, in part or wholly, the cooperation with federal law enforcement authorities that local police provide - everything from allowing them to establish offices within police buildings and courthouses to providing security for Presidential and other official visits to guarding federal court buildings. It would take state and local officials with some real stones, but it is entirely doable.
Sounds like sedition

decedent
11-28-2016, 08:58 PM
They are probably just making it up. That is what they do.
No, it's a reliable source. It suggests that Melania Trump worked illegally as an immigrant.


That is my assumption at this point. Odd that it is the left complaining about fake news, and yet...

Don't fear the truth, guys. Embrace it and you'll be happier.

Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html)

Trump said he'd be tough on crime and tough on immigrants. It will be hard for him to deport his wife, but she can finally finish school in Slovenia -- the school she lied about.

They're all a bunch of indulgent, crooked elitists. I hope that Donald Jr. doesn't get messed up.



You have repeatedly called trump voters racist

Some of them are. Some are even in this forum.




As an aside, I think it is treason.

More like patriotism.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 09:10 PM
Wow.

The Troops by massive numbers abandoned your girl. How does that make you feel?

Mister D
11-28-2016, 09:22 PM
Wow.

The Troops by massive numbers abandoned your girl. How does that make you feel?
I get the post-election rage. That's unremarkable. I just wish the progressives could maintain a coherent position on immigration.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 09:24 PM
I get the post-election rage. That's unremarkable. I just wish the progressives could maintain a coherent position on immigration.

It should be needs based. Our needs. Not theirs.

resister
11-28-2016, 09:25 PM
elitists.




Some of them are. Some are even in this forum.





.Theres that liberal elitis'm:wink:.P.S.....seeing far more racist than there are is a sign you are one of them.

Mister D
11-28-2016, 09:31 PM
It should be needs based. Our needs. Not theirs.
Not our emotional needs though. :wink: That seems to be an issue for progressives.

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 09:36 PM
No, it's a reliable source. It suggests that Melania Trump worked illegally as an immigrant.

He was talking about your "source" for Melania lying under oath.




Don't fear the truth, guys. Embrace it and you'll be happier.

Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html)

Trump said he'd be tough on crime and tough on immigrants. It will be hard for him to deport his wife, but she can finally finish school in Slovenia -- the school she lied about.

They're all a bunch of indulgent, crooked elitists. I hope that Donald Jr. doesn't get messed up.

From your source:

It is highly unlikely that the discovery will affect the citizenship status of Mrs. Trump. The government can seek to revoke the U.S. citizenship of immigrants after the fact in cases when it determines a person willfully misrepresented or concealed facts relevant to his naturalization. But the government effectively does this in only the most egregious cases, such as instances involving terrorism or war crimes

So it looks like there is not much precedent to pursue this claim from 20 years ago. Not to mention that she is now married to an American citizen, and no longer needs a work visa (or to work, for that matter).

decedent
11-28-2016, 10:35 PM
Wow.

The Troops by massive numbers abandoned your girl. How does that make you feel?
All you can do is bait when you lose an argument. You'll lose again.

decedent
11-28-2016, 10:42 PM
From your source:


So it looks like there is not much precedent to pursue this claim from 20 years ago. Not to mention that she is now married to an American citizen, and no longer needs a work visa (or to work, for that matter).

Melania broke immigration law and they defend her; when a Mexican breaks the law, they want him deported. They are hypocrites.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 10:43 PM
All you can do is bait when you lose an argument. You'll lose again.
I don't think the military is going to massively shift for your girl. Do you? Why they hell would we? (not you- the real troops) We.

decedent
11-28-2016, 10:44 PM
I don't think the military is going to massively shift for your girl. Do you? Why they hell would we? (not you- the real troops) We.

Dismissed.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 10:46 PM
Dismissed.



You don't have that authority. Unless you hold the rank of full COL. Which you don't.

decedent
11-28-2016, 10:48 PM
You don't have that authority. Unless you hold the rank of full COL. Which you don't.

Dismissed.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 10:49 PM
Sorry. I decline.

Peter1469
11-28-2016, 10:50 PM
Del has enough rank for me to care about.

You are nothing.

resister
11-28-2016, 10:51 PM
Melania broke immigration law and they defend her; when a Mexican breaks the law, they want him deported. They are hypocrites.Do they make a mirror for words?I'f ya find one check it out:wink:

Ravens Fan
11-28-2016, 11:18 PM
Melania broke immigration law and they defend her; when a Mexican breaks the law, they want him deported. They are hypocrites.
Your source wasn't clear that there was actually any law broken. If she did break a law, it wasn't by sneaking in here, but for accepting pay for working. There is a difference. Not to mention that I wasn't defending her, but pointing out what your own source said.

resister
11-28-2016, 11:26 PM
Do they make a mirror for words?I'f ya find one check it out:wink:
^^That there^^

decedent
11-29-2016, 12:31 AM
Your source wasn't clear that there was actually any law broken. If she did break a law, it wasn't by sneaking in here, but for accepting pay for working. There is a difference. Not to mention that I wasn't defending her, but pointing out what your own source said.

The Fox News source says that Melania "worked illegally" right in the title.

I'm not claiming that she snuck into the US. I'm saying the went to NYC looking for a better life, more opportunity, and with a willingness to work. Millions of others have done it too, but some people are willing to overlook some and not others.

Is the city I grew up in now a "Sanctuary City" since Melania lives there?

Cthulhu
11-29-2016, 01:12 AM
I think it's cute that progressives are pretending to care about states rights when it suits them.

Fear profits a man nothing.

MMC
11-29-2016, 06:09 AM
I think it's cute that progressives are pretending to care about states rights when it suits them.

Fear profits a man nothing.

Yeah, but the illiberals thinks it helps them look more intelligent.