Trump Chooses Rep. Tom Price, An Obamacare Foe, To Run HHS....

[MMC]

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/11/18/tom-price-1_custom-e860b28cdd915f1af23b0abdb5bc6c7a04edf5b4-s800-c85.jpg


Rep. Tom Price, a Georgia Republican, is President-elect Donald Trump's pick for Secretary of Health and Human Services. He is currently chairman of the powerful House Budget Committee.

Price, an orthopedic surgeon for nearly 20 years before coming to Congress, has represented the northern Atlanta suburbs in the House of Representatives since 2005.


If confirmed by the Senate, Price (http://tomprice.house.gov/about/full-biography) would likely have a central role in the Republicans' stated plans (http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/09/501203831/trump-can-kill-obamacare-with-or-without-help-from-congress) to dismantle the Affordable Care Act and design a replacement. He has repeatedly introduced (https://tomprice.house.gov/HR2300) legislation to repeal and replace the ACA (http://tomprice.house.gov/sites/tomprice.house.gov/files/Section%20by%20Section%20of%20HR%202300%20Empoweri ng%20Patients%20First%20Act%202015.pdf) and is one of hundreds of Republicans who have voted dozens of times to repeal (http://www.npr.org/2016/01/06/462176220/house-to-vote-on-bill-repealing-affordable-care-act) the federal health care law since it was enacted in 2010. Those efforts either didn't make it to President Obama's desk or were vetoed by him.


As HHS secretary, Price would not only oversee Obamacare as it currently exists, but also run the government's largest social programs, including Medicare, Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program. He would also have authority over the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health and other major health agencies.



HHS employs nearly 80,000 people and is the largest source of funding for medical research in the world.


Politically, Price is conservative. He opposes abortion rights, receiving a 2016 rating of 0 by Planned Parenthood (https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/congressional-scorecard#/georgia/301) and 100 percent by National Right to Life (http://nrlc.capwiz.com/bio/id/2572&lvl=C&chamber=H). He has voted against legislation aimed at prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation; for a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman; and against the bill that would've ended the don't-ask-don't-tell policy regarding disclosure of sexual orientation in the military.


Price, 62, lives in Roswell, Ga., with his wife Betty. He received his medical degree from the University of Michigan......snip~

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/28/502566553/trump-chooses-rep-tom-price-an-obamacare-foe-to-run-hhs


Trump makes another good pick for overseeing BO peeps special package and for taking it apart. He should be able to whittle down some of those expenses that the Peep and Demos created. What say ye?

[Cletus]

Good.

[stjames1_53]

Good.

maaaaaaaaaaaan, you stole my line........ lol

[MMC]

Price can also make sure Planned Parenthood has to wait on money and can make life very difficult for them. Especially after this last year where they went political publicly.

[Common]

Obamacare as it is cant stand. Its a mess, it was doomed to failure from the start

[stjames1_53]

Obamacare as it is cant stand. Its a mess, it was doomed to failure from the start
Gruber admitted it was designed to fail and that failure depended on the stupid citizens...............

[Common]

Gruber was successful then it needs to be totally gone and replaced with something that works

[stjames1_53]

what we had before worked just fine. AND we paid for it our of our OWN pockets.

[MMC]

Once Price starts limiting the money to all the Demos social programs, he will be able to force the Demos to capitulate on other areas of Policy.

With Trump taking funding from Sanctuary cities and states they should be able to put some hurt on those 6 Demos states they control fully.

Especially hurting California, NY and Chicago.

[stjames1_53]

Once Price starts limiting the money to all the Demos social programs, he will be able to force the Demos to capitulate on other areas of Policy.
With Trump taking funding from Sanctuary cities and states they should be able to put some hurt on those 6 Demos states they control fully.

Especially hurting California, NY and Chicago.
don't forget about Indiana, we are an entire state committed to sanctuary....I say let Trump carry it forward. It'll save this state a ton of dollars.
California can secede, we'll just shut their water off......

[Boris The Animal]

don't forget about Indiana, we are an entire state committed to sanctuary....I say let Trump carry it forward. It'll save this state a ton of dollars.
California can secede, we'll just shut their water off......I'd much prefer the San Andreas have a major conniption fit and that part of Communistfornia just break off from the continent. :D

[Boris The Animal]

Seriously though, I was hoping for Dr. Ben Carson in this role. This actually disappoints me a little.

[stjames1_53]

I'd much prefer the San Andreas have a major conniption fit and that part of Communistfornia just break off from the continent. :D

they are stacking enough sh*t there for it to simply slide away..........

[MMC]

don't forget about Indiana, we are an entire state committed to sanctuary....I say let Trump carry it forward. It'll save this state a ton of dollars.
California can secede, we'll just shut their water off......

Never give up the land.....just give the leftists the message, don't let the door hit them in the ass on their way out

[Captain Obvious]

Great choice.

Someone with experience in the field, versus the acadamia lifer teh O'bama would have chosen based on their race and gender alone.

[MMC]

The good thing is Price knows BO peeps special package totally, all ins and outs. Which is why he is for full repeal. Price will also be taking on his own party members as he does want to help those poor and indigent people. Repubs want to give out tax deductions. But the poor and indigent pay no taxes or very little. So he will push for tax credits.

He also would create a one-time tax credit to put in a health savings account for routine medical expenses. At least with Price we have an idea which way Trump is leaning to.



Here's how Trump's HHS pick wants to replace Obamacare.....

By tapping House Budget Committee Chairman Rep. Tom Price to serve as his Secretary of Health and Human Services, President-elect Trump has added to his team one of the most serious and knowledgeable Republicans on healthcare policy, and in the process pressed his finger on the scales of the internal GOP debate over how specifically to replace Obamacare.


In contrast to many Republicans, who have talked in terms of repealing Obamacare without offering their own vision for the healthcare system, Price, an orthopedic surgeon, has for years been refining his own detailed plan. In fact, he was one of the few Republicans who introduced an alternative bill in 2009, during the actual debate over Obamacare. You can read that version of the "Empowering Patients First Act" in its entirety here.


Given that Trump offered scant details on healthcare during the campaign, Price could have outsized influence on the incoming president's health policy. Price happens to also be close with House Speaker Paul Ryan, who he succeeded as chair of the Budget Committee. Both of the men have similar attitudes on health policy, including overhauling Medicare and Medicaid. During an interview I did with Price for my 2015 book "Overcoming Obamacare," we discussed his basic philosophical approach to replacing the law.


Two things should stand out to those trying to understand the thinking of the next HHS Secretary (assuming Senate confirmation).


Price told me unequivocally that reforming the system has to start with fully repealing Obamacare: "It needs to be fully repealed, because the first step out of the gate for Obamacare is a step in the wrong direction and that is for government control over every aspect of health care, so it's hard to fix the system that they have put in place without ending that premise that government ought to be running and controlling health care."


At the same time, in contrast to some conservatives, Price told me, "Coverage is important, and our bill, the 'Empowering Patients First Act,' we believe provides not just an incentive, but the financial feasibility for every single American to purchase the coverage that they want." He added that "the system doesn't work if people aren't covered."


The biggest demonstration of this is Price's preference for offering tax credits to individuals to purchase insurance rather than simple tax deductions. Though it seems like an esoteric argument, it's actually pretty fundamental to understanding the differences on the right on health policy.


Many conservatives prefer offering tax deductions to individuals because they function more like a tax cut – that is, people's tax liabilities are reduced by the amount that they spend toward coverage. However, anybody who supports this view has to be prepared to accept the fact that it will benefit a more limited number of people, because many Americans with low incomes pay little or no income taxes against which to deduct.


Providing individuals with tax credits of a specific amount, regardless of how much they pay in taxes, would benefit that lower-income population. Of course, it comes with a higher cost, as tax credits function more like spending, which is what gave other conservatives pause. Former Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who was also floated as a potential HHS pick, called tax credit-based plans "Obamacare Lite." Whether Trump realizes it or not, by tapping Price, he is providing a boost to the Price school over others.


"Credits are a challenge for some folks on my side of the aisle, and I understand that," Price told me when I pressed him on the disagreement among conservatives. "But the problem I have right now is that we are imprisoned by a system that doesn't provide high-quality care for many individuals in our society, especially at the lower end of the economic spectrum, because of the rules that have been put in place by the federal government. So, if we freed up the patients to select the kind of coverage that they want, we would get a model and a system that actually worked for them and not for government.".....snip~

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/heres-how-trumps-hhs-pick-wants-to-replace-obamacare/article/2608349

[Cigar]

Trump HHS Pick Said Medicare Phaseout Would Pass Next Summer


Source: Talking Points Memo

By JOSH MARSHALL Published NOVEMBER 29, 2016, 1:44 AM EDT

According to multiple reports Monday evening, President-Elect Donald Trump has settled on Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) as his nominee to become Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. Price, an orthopedic surgeon and Budget Committee Chair in the outgoing Congress, is an arch-critic of 'Obamacare' and a top supporter of Speaker Paul Ryan's plan to phase out Medicare and replace it with private insurance and vouchers.

On November 17th, when TPM asked Price about his timeline for moving Medicare phaseout legislation (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-price-reveals-republicans-eyeing-medicare-overhaul-in-2017) in the next Congress, Price said he did not believe it would be in the first legislation Trump and the Republican Congress would tackle in the Spring. He said he expected it would come mid-year in the second phase of the budget reconciliation process. "I think that is probably in the second phase of reconciliation, which would have to be in the FY 18 budget resolution in the first 6-8 months," Price told TPM.

Democrats have promised to oppose any effort to phase out or privatize Medicare in the next Congress.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-hhs-pick-said-medicare-phaseout-would-pass-next-summer

[Cigar]

You think it's hard getting good insurance when you're 30 or 50?
Try getting good private insurance when you're 70 or 80.


If you are 65, or 75, or 85, or simply a human being of any age, please read.

We are hearing more about the Trump/Ryan plan to phase out Medicare and replace it with private insurance and vouchers. But we're still hearing much, much less than about Obamacare or a lot of other issues.

Obamacare is super important. Don't get me wrong. But Medicare is a much, much bigger deal. Most DC journalists don't actually understand what's being proposed. You think it's hard getting good insurance when you're 30 or 50? Try getting good private insurance when you're 70 or 80.

Providing health insurance coverage to seniors will unquestionably cost more if run through private insurance. No one who has looked at the comparative data on the cost efficiency of Medicare and private carriers can question this. There's no money savings. Quite the opposite. The only difference is that seniors will pay vastly more out of pocket because the vouchers won't come close to the costs of a policy. The upshot of the Ryan plan is significantly increasing the cost of what society pays for the medical care of seniors and then making seniors pay dramatically more out of pocket. All with none of the bedrock gaurantees Medicare provides.



Ryan and Trump want to pass a bill to phase out Medicare in just six months.



Let me repeat that last line in case you missed it: Ryan and Trump want to pass a bill to phase out Medicare in just six months.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/still-missing-it



If you don't have a Good Pension or a really Good 401k ...

Don't Even Think About Getting Sick, because you won't be able to afford it.

[MMC]

Now for some reality you missed.



Save Medicare's Home Health Benefit ......


The Affordable Care Act was sold to the American public with the promise of improved access to health care for all who previously could not afford it. In a September 2013 speech on the ACA, President Barack Obama recalled examples of Americans he had met during his campaign who, because of financial obstacles, had to unfairly choose between their home and their health care.



And on this point, we agree. No American should be forced to decide between receiving quality health care and remaining in his or her home, especially America’s aging Medicare population.


Medicare’s home health benefit is a cost-effective program that protects seniors from having to make that difficult choice. Skilled health care services are allowing America’s most vulnerable senior and disabled individuals to access quality health care services in their home, which are proven to prevent expensive hospital readmissions and long-term care facility stays, which increase Medicare spending. Without access to home health, many more seniors will seek care in costlier care settings.


Despite these facts, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services drastically cut funding to Medicare home health by 14 percent on Jan. 1 as part of the Affordable Care Act. This cut, despite promises that the ACA was intended to improve access to care for disadvantaged Americans, is putting Medicare’s most vulnerable patients and their home health providers at serious risk.


CMS has acknowledged that 2 out of every 5 home health agencies will become insolvent by 2017 because of the unprecedented 14 percent cut CMS chose to implement at the start of this year. Independent analyses of CMS data show that the 4 year, 3.5 percent annual rebasing cut puts more than 1.3 million sick and elderly home health patients at risk for losing access to home health care and nearly half a million Americans at risk of job loss.


In the first six months of this 48-month cut, negative consequences are starting to surface. Across the country, there are reports of home health agency closures, consolidations and layoffs, disrupting the lives of vulnerable patients and hard-working home health professionals.

Upon hearing these stories, we came together to find a solution that can better protect access to home health care for the 3.5 million Medicare patients nationwide who depend on home health today and improve the benefit for the millions of seniors who will require home health in the future.


The Securing Access Via Excellence (SAVE) Medicare Home Health Act will do just that.

First, the SAVE Medicare Home Health Act will repeal the arbitrary, across-the-board 3.5 percent per year cut for years 2015, 2016 and 2017 and replace them with sustainable reforms that will achieve savings by improving care for Medicare beneficiaries and reducing avoidable spending. To achieve savings the legislation will establish a value-based purchasing program for the Medicare home health benefit to better incentivize home health care agencies to deliver high-quality care to beneficiaries and reduce hospital readmission rates.


It will further increase transparency in the delivery of home health by making providers more accountable for care quality and making home health agency performance data more accessible to the American people.


Please click here (http://www.rollcall.com/news/save_medicares_home_health_benefit_commentary-235657-1.html) to read the full article......snip~

http://www.tomprice.com/news/save-medicares-home-health-benefit

[nic34]

Obamacare as it is cant stand. Its a mess, it was doomed to failure from the start

Should have included the public option....

[MMC]

Despite these facts, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services drastically cut funding to Medicare home health by 14 percent on Jan. 1 as part of the Affordable Care Act. This cut, despite promises that the ACA was intended to improve access to care for disadvantaged Americans, is putting Medicare’s most vulnerable patients and their home health providers at serious risk.....snip~


Yo illiberals......what happened? This was what your BO the Peep took credit for. Weren't you excited about screwing over disadvantaged Americans.

Cmon now.....shows us all that dancing in the street. Show everybody how much you cared.

[texan]

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/11/18/tom-price-1_custom-e860b28cdd915f1af23b0abdb5bc6c7a04edf5b4-s800-c85.jpg


Rep. Tom Price, a Georgia Republican, is President-elect Donald Trump's pick for Secretary of Health and Human Services. He is currently chairman of the powerful House Budget Committee.

Price, an orthopedic surgeon for nearly 20 years before coming to Congress, has represented the northern Atlanta suburbs in the House of Representatives since 2005.


If confirmed by the Senate, Price (http://tomprice.house.gov/about/full-biography) would likely have a central role in the Republicans' stated plans (http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/09/501203831/trump-can-kill-obamacare-with-or-without-help-from-congress) to dismantle the Affordable Care Act and design a replacement. He has repeatedly introduced (https://tomprice.house.gov/HR2300) legislation to repeal and replace the ACA (http://tomprice.house.gov/sites/tomprice.house.gov/files/Section by Section of HR 2300 Empowering Patients First Act 2015.pdf) and is one of hundreds of Republicans who have voted dozens of times to repeal (http://www.npr.org/2016/01/06/462176220/house-to-vote-on-bill-repealing-affordable-care-act) the federal health care law since it was enacted in 2010. Those efforts either didn't make it to President Obama's desk or were vetoed by him.


As HHS secretary, Price would not only oversee Obamacare as it currently exists, but also run the government's largest social programs, including Medicare, Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program. He would also have authority over the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health and other major health agencies.



HHS employs nearly 80,000 people and is the largest source of funding for medical research in the world.


Politically, Price is conservative. He opposes abortion rights, receiving a 2016 rating of 0 by Planned Parenthood (https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/congressional-scorecard#/georgia/301) and 100 percent by National Right to Life (http://nrlc.capwiz.com/bio/id/2572&lvl=C&chamber=H). He has voted against legislation aimed at prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation; for a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman; and against the bill that would've ended the don't-ask-don't-tell policy regarding disclosure of sexual orientation in the military.


Price, 62, lives in Roswell, Ga., with his wife Betty. He received his medical degree from the University of Michigan......snip~

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/28/502566553/trump-chooses-rep-tom-price-an-obamacare-foe-to-run-hhs


Trump makes another good pick for overseeing BO peeps special package and for taking it apart. He should be able to whittle down some of those expenses that the Peep and Demos created. What say ye?

dear idiots of the world

if you understood anything other politics oh like math you would all be a foe of ocare.

stifles jobs
passed on lies that are indisputable now
not sustainable
not debated or passed properly

F ocare and the bs it was passed on.

[MMC]

dear idiots of the world

if you understood anything other politics oh like math you would all be a foe of ocare.

stifles jobs
passed on lies that are indisputable now
not sustainable
not debated or passed properly

F ocare and the bs it was passed on.

Despite these facts, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services drastically cut funding to Medicare home health by 14 percent on Jan. 1 as part of the Affordable Care Act. This cut, despite promises that the ACA was intended to improve access to care for disadvantaged Americans, is putting Medicare’s most vulnerable patients and their home health providers at serious risk.....snip~

Yeah, and then the leftness doesn't think anything else is acceptable except for Universal healthcare.

[texan]

My insurance rates continued to climb YOY. Didn't do down as stated. Now they wordsmith and say we were saying we slowed the rate of increase and saved you money.

F U liars and all those hanging by a thread defending it, also pawns in the lie.

[MMC]

My insurance rates continued to climb YOY. Didn't do down as stated. Now they wordsmith and say we were saying we slowed the rate of increase and saved you money.

F U liars and all those hanging by a thread defending it, also pawns in the lie.

Then the leftness was reduced to fear mongering women, since Price a real Medical professional is fixing the problem.

[Trish]

I think your statement is premature. Tom Price hasn't fixed anything yet because he hasn't been confirmed nor has he put any policies into place. Let's agree that at this point no one knows what Tom Price will actually be able to accomplish. What I feel comfortable saying is that based on what I know he has advocated for and based on his own statements I believe women do have reasons to be concerned. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, he is considered extreme even within his own party.

[MMC]

I think your statement is premature. Tom Price hasn't fixed anything yet because he hasn't been confirmed nor has he put any policies into place. Let's agree that at this point no one knows what Tom Price will actually be able to accomplish. What I feel comfortable saying is that based on what I know he has advocated for and based on his own statements I believe women do have reasons to be concerned. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, he is considered extreme even within his own party.

He was the first to come up with an alternative plan. And he introduced that legislation. He is considered extreme in the GOP since he wants tax credits given to people who don't pay taxes or very little taxes rather than tax deductions.
He is Prolife.....and against Planned Parenthood. Not against those who are for helping women and their medical issues.

[Trish]

Respectfully MMC, I disagree. Tom Price is out of touch when it comes to women's health. I can't argue your other points because I am not familiar with his tax policies but I am aware of his position and opinions when it comes to women and birth control He's under the impression that birth control is as easy to obtain as if one just needed to walk into a pharmacy and grab some condoms. He seems quite baffled that birth control requires an exam and a prescription (which ain't cheap).

I have no problem with his personal view of pro life as long as he doesn't bring it to work with him should he be confirmed as HHS Secretary. That position and role requires that he look out for the health of ALL Americans and not his immediate constituents. I hope you will agree. :0)

[birddog]

PP can still give exams and birth control if they decrease abortions. That can be accomplished without government funding.

[Green Arrow]

PP can still give exams and birth control if they decrease abortions. That can be accomplished without government funding.

Only 3% of PP's services are abortion-related.

[Trish]

Good morning! Just to be clear, you are aware that PP receives no federal funding that supports abortions, correct? So my comments aren't meant to address that procedure.

[stjames1_53]

Good morning! Just to be clear, you are aware that PP receives no federal funding that supports abortions, correct? So my comments aren't meant to address that procedure.


http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html uh huh, sure thing. Let's cut off their federal funding and see how well they perform. let us not forget they sold baby parts and pieces so they could drive around in new cars and have lavish dinner parties.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/255263-planned-parenthood-chief-gives-sharpest-attack-yet-on-anti-abortion-smear
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3255415/Planned-Parenthood-spends-millions-six-figure-salaries-blowout-parties-class-travel-Manhattan-real-estate-new-congressional-report-reveals.html
86% of their business is abortion....they couldn't afford to do that business if it wasn't for federal funding
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/09/30/cecile-richards-abortion-86-planned-parenthoods-revenue/
google Sanger, if you doubt me

[Trish]

I understand that some believe what you claim and that's your choice but I decline to participate. I think it's safe to assume nothing I post will change your mind and vice versa on this issue but I'm sure we'll find another issue to debate another time.

[MMC]

Respectfully MMC, I disagree. Tom Price is out of touch when it comes to women's health. I can't argue your other points because I am not familiar with his tax policies but I am aware of his position and opinions when it comes to women and birth control He's under the impression that birth control is as easy to obtain as if one just needed to walk into a pharmacy and grab some condoms. He seems quite baffled that birth control requires an exam and a prescription (which ain't cheap).

I have no problem with his personal view of pro life as long as he doesn't bring it to work with him should he be confirmed as HHS Secretary. That position and role requires that he look out for the health of ALL Americans and not his immediate constituents. I hope you will agree. :0)

He was a Physician for 20 Years before he came to Congress Trish. And I have yet to see women who he treated come out and say anything negative about him.

I haven't seen him talk about birth control and now that Planned Parenthood went political this last year, that is all that's needed now.....to show that became a Political organization which would be a good reason to now pull their funding.


They should have stuck with using the money donated to them for helping women. That they didn't and used it politically shows them for what they are really about.

[Trish]

MMC - I know he was a physician. Guess what.....there are scientists that don't believe in climate change so my point is "so what" that he is an MD. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I'm simply pointing out that just because a person can pass a test doesn't mean they understand the content.

I also think that you are overlooking the fact that PP became more vocal because they were under attack although i agree that PP has always been liberal leaning.

[MMC]

MMC - I know he was a physician. Guess what.....there are scientists that don't believe in climate change so my point is "so what" that he is an MD. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I'm simply pointing out that just because a person can pass a test doesn't mean they understand the content.

I also think that you are overlooking the fact that PP became more vocal because they were under attack although i agree that PP has always been liberal leaning.

Scientists don't take an Oath like Doctors do. I don't think he is against women and their contraceptives needs when he is about providing tax credits for low income women. Again, wherein they don't pay taxes or very little. So that they can have access to medical care. His Empowering Patients Act only works if all are involved.

He is against PP.....and regardless if they came under attack. Once they got involved into raising money for Politicians. Raising money for a Presidential Election and Senate races has put them over the line as being just a medical provider. They even spent monies on advertising attacking politicians against them.

Federal funding can go to Medical providers that are about helping women and only about helping women and their medical needs.

[Trish]

MMC - You're right, Doctors take oaths but not all doctors honor those oaths or take what they've learned and apply it. Let's take the following examples:



Milton Wolf, the Kansas radiologist who is running in a contentious Republican primary against Senator Pat Roberts. The radiologist had to apologize after old Facebook posts came to light in which he had shown gruesome X-ray images of gunshot wounds and, in some cases, had mocked the dead and injured.

The two Georgia physicians who are running for the Senate, Paul Broun and Phil Gingrey, both Republican House members, have histories of making controversial statements. Representative Broun called evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

Representative Gingrey, an obstetrician and gynecologist, defended Todd Akin, the Republican Senate candidate in Missouri who said in 2012 that women’s bodies could prevent pregnancies in cases of “legitimate rape.” At a local Chamber of Commerce breakfast last year, Representative Gingrey said that “he’s partly right on that.”

Then there is Representative Scott DesJarlais (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/scott-desjarlais-fined_n_3327099.html), Republican of Tennessee, who practices family medicine. He was fined by the state for having a sexual relationship with two patients.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/us/politics/doctors-confident-in-their-healing-powers-rush-for-congress.html?_r=0

You and I could probably go back and forth several more times and both of us could probably provide examples that support our arguments. We may have to agree to disagree on this issue but I am always willing to wait to see what actually happens should Tom Price be confirmed.

Cheers!

[MisterVeritis]

I think your statement is premature. Tom Price hasn't fixed anything yet because he hasn't been confirmed nor has he put any policies into place. Let's agree that at this point no one knows what Tom Price will actually be able to accomplish. What I feel comfortable saying is that based on what I know he has advocated for and based on his own statements I believe women do have reasons to be concerned. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, he is considered extreme even within his own party.
In your opinion was the unconstitutional government takeover of one-sixth of the American economy extreme?

[MisterVeritis]

Only 3% of PP's services are abortion-related.
I see you bought the party lie. Of the total dollars PP receives, what percentage does killing babies account for?

[MisterVeritis]

Good morning! Just to be clear, you are aware that PP receives no federal funding that supports abortions, correct? So my comments aren't meant to address that procedure.
Then PP can give up killing babies and be just fine. Right?

[Subdermal]

:biglaugh: @ the non-conservatives who cannot admit what PP is really about.

[Trish]

MisterVeritis - What an interesting way to pose your question. I can see how you feel about the issue but why don't you give me a little more information on where you came up with your opinion. You've piqued my interest.

[nic34]

Then PP can give up killing babies and be just fine. Right?

Just for accuracy, no babies are killed by PP.

[stjames1_53]

I see you bought the party lie. Of the total dollars PP receives, what percentage does killing babies account for?
my articles states that 86% of the "business" they do are abortions. They could do that many abortions without fed funding. We already caught them lying about selling parts and pieces.

[stjames1_53]

Just for accuracy, no babies are killed by PP.

nice way to disenfranchise yourself from accuracy..................

[MisterVeritis]

MisterVeritis - What an interesting way to pose your question. I can see how you feel about the issue but why don't you give me a little more information on where you came up with your opinion. You've piqued my interest.
Are you familiar with the quote function?

[MisterVeritis]

Just for accuracy, no babies are killed by PP.
What do you think they are, puppies?

[Trish]

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the quote function. I've only been here for a couple days. But I'm willing to learn. :0)

[MisterVeritis]

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the quote function. I've only been here for a couple days. But I'm willing to learn. :0)
Use reply with quote. It helps so I know what you are asking.

[decedent]

Price can also make sure Planned Parenthood has to wait on money and can make life very difficult for them. Especially after this last year where they went political publicly.

Mark Zuckerberg Quietly Funneled $992.2 Million To Planned Parenthood
(http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/08/26/mark-zuckerberg-quietly-funneled-992-2-million-to-planned-parenthood/)

Poor conservatives are determined to make rich liberals richer. I wonder what they'll do with all that extra cash.

[stjames1_53]

Mark Zuckerberg Quietly Funneled $992.2 Million To Planned Parenthood
(http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/08/26/mark-zuckerberg-quietly-funneled-992-2-million-to-planned-parenthood/)

Poor conservatives are determined to make rich liberals richer. I wonder what they'll do with all that extra cash.

PP will use it to murder more babies...............wtf do you think they're gonna do with all that cash?

[Trish]

Use reply with quote. It helps so I know what you are asking.

HAHAHAHAHA- Thank you! The simplest things can bring me to a screeching halt.

[MisterVeritis]

Mark Zuckerberg Quietly Funneled $992.2 Million To Planned Parenthood
(http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/08/26/mark-zuckerberg-quietly-funneled-992-2-million-to-planned-parenthood/)Poor conservatives are determined to make rich liberals richer. I wonder what they'll do with all that extra cash.
PP? Kill more black babies, of course. This is another example of why taxpayers should not be funding PP's death camps.

[MisterVeritis]

HAHAHAHAHA- Thank you! The simplest things can bring me to a screeching halt.
You have gone from novice to Pro with a single mouse click. :smiley:

[decedent]

PP? Kill more black babies, of course. This is another example of why taxpayers should not be funding PP's death camps.

If you listen well, you can hear the pregnant women and abortion doctors laughing maniacally. They are so evil, ripping grown fetuses out of the womb (according to Trump), and selling baby parts for profit. Uneducated people got Trump elected, so I'm not surprised these myths are taken as gospel.

[Green Arrow]

PP will use it to murder more babies...............wtf do you think they're gonna do with all that cash?
Continue providing non-abortive health care for women?

[MisterVeritis]

PP? Kill more black babies, of course. This is another example of why taxpayers should not be funding PP's death camps.

If you listen well, you can hear the pregnant women and abortion doctors laughing maniacally. They are so evil, ripping grown fetuses out of the womb (according to Trump), and selling baby parts for profit. Uneducated people got Trump elected, so I'm not surprised these myths are taken as gospel.
For a smart guy, you are not very smart.

Planned Parenthood Has Killed 6,803,782 Babies in Abortions


estimated, of course. http://www.lifenews.com/2016/10/17/planned-parenthood-has-killed-6803782-babies-in-abortions/
Maybe they need some fancy black uniforms and a few ovens.

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

[decedent]

PP? Kill more black babies, of course. This is another example of why taxpayers should not be funding PP's death camps.

For a smart guy, you are not very smart.

Planned Parenthood Has Killed 6,803,782 Babies in Abortions


estimated, of course. http://www.lifenews.com/2016/10/17/planned-parenthood-has-killed-6803782-babies-in-abortions/
Maybe they need some fancy black uniforms and a few ovens.

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Babies? That's infanticide. Call the police.

[hanger4]

If you listen well, you can hear the pregnant women and abortion doctors laughing maniacally. They are so evil, ripping grown fetuses out of the womb (according to Trump), and selling baby parts for profit. Uneducated people got Trump elected, so I'm not surprised these myths are taken as gospel.

"Uneducated people got Trump elected"

Actually Hillary Clinton is well educated.

[Peter1469]

MMC - I know he was a physician. Guess what.....there are scientists that don't believe in climate change so my point is "so what" that he is an MD. I don't mean that as a jab at you. I'm simply pointing out that just because a person can pass a test doesn't mean they understand the content.

I also think that you are overlooking the fact that PP became more vocal because they were under attack although i agree that PP has always been liberal leaning.


No scientist says that climate doesn't change. If that were true there would be a mile of ice over your head if you live around the latitude of NYC.

Plenty of scientist don't think that man has a very significant effect on the warming of the planet. Most say it is minimal. Only a small number go with the large change claims.

Astro Physicists are the biggest group to scoff at the entire idea. They think our Sun is the primary and controlling factor.

[stjames1_53]

Continue providing non-abortive health care for women?
even if, and that's a big if, they don't perform any abortions, why is it I should pay for another woman's health. I have one already I cannot afford to fix your woman's health problems. I have no moral obligation to support any other women, except my own. Birth control from the same people who provide abortions, then sell off parts like an online shopping store.........and you think it's cool that I should be forced to pay for that...........
That'll end with Trump................

[Green Arrow]

even if, and that's a big if, they don't perform any abortions, why is it I should pay for another woman's health. I have one already I cannot afford to fix your woman's health problems. I have no moral obligation to support any other women, except my own. Birth control from the same people who provide abortions, then sell off parts like an online shopping store.........and you think it's cool that I should be forced to pay for that...........
That'll end with Trump................

I think you'll be surprised.

[stjames1_53]

I think you'll be surprised.

again, why should I be forced to pay for another woman? I already got one................and I sure as hell aint' sleeping with that other woman. I get no benefit...........direct or otherwise............

[birddog]

Only 3% of PP's services are abortion-related.

I doubt that. Other services make people aware of abortion services.

[Trish]

again, why should I be forced to pay for another woman? I already got one................and I sure as hell aint' sleeping with that other woman. I get no benefit...........direct or otherwise............

I certainly respect your point of view and your position on PP and let's face it, neither of us will change our points of view of the subject.

Setting that aside, I've seen similar arguments made that you are making (with the exception of the sleeping with other women point - hahahaha) and I would offer that you are correct there is no immediate benefit. There is however a long term benefit to you and every tax payer. On average, it costs approximately $10 - $11k per child per year to raise/support (depending on inflation and location). If you consider that the child is being raised by a single parent who does not work then it's safe to assume much of the cost is transferred to the tax payer. Keeping in mind also that our children many times mirror their environment. So there is a higher percentage that the behavior will be repeated. Mine is not an argument for or against Pro Life/choice. I'm simply pointing out that your argument that there is no benefit to you is not exactly accurate.

[nic34]

What do you think they are, puppies?

Not "babies".

[MisterVeritis]

Not "babies".
Okay. They are unborn human beings. Normal people call them babies.