Trump breaches U.S. protocol and speaks with President of Taiwan

[exotix]

*Breaking*

In continuing to refuse Intelligence Briefings, Trump in his utter-ignorance of international protocols ... appears to not care one iota that his stupidity and belligerence will lead to showdowns instead of diplomatic solutions ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-spoke-with-taiwanese-president-a-major-break-with-decades-of-us-policy-on-china/2016/12/02/b98d3a22-b8ca-11e6-959c-172c82123976_story.html?utm_term=.027fdd308c7d

Trump speaks with Taiwanese president, a major break with decades of U.S. policy on China


President-elect Donald Trump spoke Friday with Taiwan’s president, a major departure from decades of U.S. policy in Asia and a breach of diplomatic protocol with ramifications for the incoming president’s relations with China.

The call is the first known contact between a U.S. president or president-elect with a Taiwanese leader since before the United States broke diplomatic relations with the island in 1979.

China considers Taiwan a province, and news of the official outreach by Trump is likely to infuriate the regional military and economic power.




http://i68.tinypic.com/2lddta0.jpg

[Captain Obvious]

Tissue?

... shit, sorry del


:biglaugh:

[exotix]

White House reaffirms ‘One China’ policy after Trump calls Taiwan leader

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/850259/white-house-reaffirms-one-china-policy-after-trump-calls-taiwan-leader#ixzz4RjokKdI9



One China Policy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/China_map.png

[Subdermal]

I have no problem with this.

[resister]

OHH's NOO"s....The HOrror'S the horrors:kiss:

[Captain Obvious]

White House reaffirms ‘One China’ policy after Trump calls Taiwan leader

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/850259/white-house-reaffirms-one-china-policy-after-trump-calls-taiwan-leader#ixzz4RjokKdI9



One China Policy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/China_map.png

Birds of a feather

[Common Sense]

It's a complex situation. I hope Trump understands the ramifications and it wasn't just an oversight.

[Cigar]

God I'm glad this dumb F'ck is a Republican, what a F'cking Moron :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

It's a complex situation. I hope Trump understands the ramifications and it wasn't just an oversight.

But Iran isn't complex.

Thanks for the insight highlander.

Maybe this is part of why Trump is popular. Establishment status quo has been so effective...

[del]

But Iran isn't complex.

Thanks for the insight highlander.

Maybe this is part of why Trump is popular. Establishment status quo has been so effective...


trump is popular because math is hard, barbie.

write it on your forehead

[Peter1469]

trump is popular because math is hard, barbie.

write it on your forehead

He is popular because too many Americans believe in borders and cultures.

[Common Sense]

But Iran isn't complex.

Thanks for the insight highlander.

Maybe this is part of why Trump is popular. Establishment status quo has been so effective...
I said Iran was complex. You sound really bitter and butthurt. I simply made a comment about Trump's phone call and this is your crybaby response?

Trump is popular because of idiocy. I didn't ever think you were an idiot...but you're making that less certain with this hissy fit of yours.

[Grizz]

Good for the Donald, at least he isn't bowing to every tin pot dictator asshole he meets.

[Cigar]

Just watch, the Trumpnuts will rationalize Stupid :laugh:

Because Stupid is what they know best.

[Peter1469]

Iran's government is complex

http://elon221a.pbworks.com/f/1193799250/iranian government setup.png

[Captain Obvious]

I said Iran was complex. You sound really bitter and butthurt. I simply made a comment about Trump's phone call and this is your crybaby response?

Trump is popular because of idiocy. I didn't ever think you were an idiot...but you're making that less certain with this hissy fit of yours.

Thanks for your (duplicated) opinion

[exotix]

Just In

Rival Companies of Trump now contemplating epic class-action lawsuit (unfair competition and conflict of interest) against Trump upon this announcement ... this is due to the disclosure of the Trump Organization's collaboration with Taiwan to build hotels that surfaced in September ...


Trump Organization eyes Taiwan for newest luxury resort location

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/revealed-trump-organization-eyes-taiwan-for-newest-luxury-resort-location/

In November, the mayor of Taoyuan, Taiwan confirmed to China Times that a representative from the Trump Organization visited the municipality in September.

Reports indicate Trump’s son Eric Trump will visit Taiwan later this year to discuss “a large-scale urban development project aimed at capitalizing on Taoyuan’s status as a transport hub for East Asia.”

[Grizz]

Just In

Rival Companies of Trump now contemplating epic class-action lawsuit (unfair competition and conflict of interest) against Trump upon this announcement ... this is due to the disclosure of the Trump Organization's collaboration with Taiwan to build hotels that surfaced in September ...


Trump Organization eyes Taiwan for newest luxury resort location

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/revealed-trump-organization-eyes-taiwan-for-newest-luxury-resort-location/

In November, the mayor of Taoyuan, Taiwan confirmed to China Times that a representative from the Trump Organization visited the municipality in September.

Reports indicate Trump’s son Eric Trump will visit Taiwan later this year to discuss “a large-scale urban development project aimed at capitalizing on Taoyuan’s status as a transport hub for East Asia.”

Go for it.
You DO know that SHE called him....right?

[Captain Obvious]

"Rival companies"... lol

[exotix]

Go for it.
You DO know that SHE called him....right?Call FOIA then report back what they talked about.

[Grizz]

Call FOIA then report back what they talked about.

She called him son, I really don't care what they talked about. I feel bad for you, why do you hate America?

[exotix]

She called him son, I really don't care what they talked about. I feel bad for you, why do you hate America?When did your mind decease ? LOL

[Grizz]

When did your mind decease ? LOL

Why do you hate your nation?

[Cigar]

Let me be the first to call this one, someone is going to PUNK TRUMP with a Phone Call :laugh:

[Cigar]

Good for the Donald, at least he isn't bowing to every tin pot dictator $#@! he meets.
But it's not ok to have relations with Cuba :laugh:

[Grizz]

But it's not ok to have relations with Cuba :laugh:

Does this kind of deflection usually work for you?
Why do YOU hate America?

[decedent]

White House reaffirms ‘One China’ policy after Trump calls Taiwan leader

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/850259/white-house-reaffirms-one-china-policy-after-trump-calls-taiwan-leader#ixzz4RjokKdI9



Trump isn't the President. He needs to realize this.

Trump just said that Taiwan was a nation. Obama is going to have to clean up this idiot's mess.

[Beevee]

Why do you hate your nation?

Perhaps the question should be 'Why do you love yours?'

[del]

He is popular because too many Americans believe in borders and cultures.

he's popular because too many americans can't spell cat if you spot then the c and the a.

[Cigar]

Does this kind of deflection usually work for you?
Why do YOU hate America?

Actually I hate Americans, you know, the Racist type Americans.

I Love America, I Own Property :laugh:

[exotix]

Why do you hate your nation?Why does your wife, children and dog hate you ?



http://s9.tinypic.com/de7e36_th.jpg

[Grizz]

Why does your wife, children and dog hate you ?
http://s9.tinypic.com/de7e36_th.jpg

More deflection, I am making you look very bad here son.
WHY do you hate America?

[texan]

Yet they celebrate the executive order circumventing policy on Fidel Castro and Cuba.

Just a bunch of two faced hypocrites, I will address the media later I am only referring to the intellectual (a term used loosly on th forum) bankrupt people here.

Might want to recount those Cuban votes in Florida.

[Don]

This is just more Orwellian BS. Taiwan used to be our main ally over there and Communist China was the enemy. Then suddenly Communist China was our "friend" and Taiwan was the not so good guy.
On Oct. 25, 1971, the United Nations General Assembly voted to admit the People’s Republic of China (mainland China) and to expel the Republic of China (Taiwan). The Communist P.R.C. therefore assumed the R.O.C.’s place in the General Assembly as well as its place as one of the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council.

Winston, who are we at war with? "Communist China." No Winston, we are at war with Taiwan, we have always been at war with Taiwan. Communist China has always been our ally Winston.

"Protocol" is just a BS word. About time the establishment gets shaken up and put on notice.

[exploited]

This is the first thing Trump has done that I support.

Taiwan deserves US recognition and support.

[Cletus]

Trump talking to the leader of Taiwan is good thing. It is time for the US to stop kowtowing to the Chicoms. Beijing doesn't decide who the United States talks to or doesn't talk to.

I think it is hilarious to see not only the forum's Leftists, but Leftist idiots all over the country soiling themselves over this. They are a disgusting bunch of cowardly bedwetters.

[Common]

its good he talked to the taiwanese president. The left didnt care when obama bent over for the entire middle east except of course Israel. They though it was great he kissed a little castro ass.
They thought it was wonderful he gave Iran half a billion hoping they would be nice.

Absolutely nothing wrong with trump talking to world leaders of his choosing that may fit into the NEW agenda his administration may follow.

The left has to get a grip that no one cares about their incessant whining because THEY ARE OUT and so is the PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIZIEDS OPEN BORDER agenda and its not coming back for 4 yrs.

They right had to accept 8 yrs of executive orders by obama. Now its very much your turn to swallow, suck it up buttercups.

Trump obviously could care less about bloomer twisting tantrums

[TimeLord962]

*Breaking*

In continuing to refuse Intelligence Briefings, Trump in his utter-ignorance of international protocols ... appears to not care one iota that his stupidity and belligerence will lead to showdowns instead of diplomatic solutions ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-spoke-with-taiwanese-president-a-major-break-with-decades-of-us-policy-on-china/2016/12/02/b98d3a22-b8ca-11e6-959c-172c82123976_story.html?utm_term=.027fdd308c7d

Trump speaks with Taiwanese president, a major break with decades of U.S. policy on China


President-elect Donald Trump spoke Friday with Taiwan’s president, a major departure from decades of U.S. policy in Asia and a breach of diplomatic protocol with ramifications for the incoming president’s relations with China.

The call is the first known contact between a U.S. president or president-elect with a Taiwanese leader since before the United States broke diplomatic relations with the island in 1979.

China considers Taiwan a province, and news of the official outreach by Trump is likely to infuriate the regional military and economic power.




http://i68.tinypic.com/2lddta0.jpg

We do not recognize your establishment elite protocols, if it doesn't have the force of law GFYS.

[donttread]

*Breaking*

In continuing to refuse Intelligence Briefings, Trump in his utter-ignorance of international protocols ... appears to not care one iota that his stupidity and belligerence will lead to showdowns instead of diplomatic solutions ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-spoke-with-taiwanese-president-a-major-break-with-decades-of-us-policy-on-china/2016/12/02/b98d3a22-b8ca-11e6-959c-172c82123976_story.html?utm_term=.027fdd308c7d

Trump speaks with Taiwanese president, a major break with decades of U.S. policy on China


President-elect Donald Trump spoke Friday with Taiwan’s president, a major departure from decades of U.S. policy in Asia and a breach of diplomatic protocol with ramifications for the incoming president’s relations with China.

The call is the first known contact between a U.S. president or president-elect with a Taiwanese leader since before the United States broke diplomatic relations with the island in 1979.

China considers Taiwan a province, and news of the official outreach by Trump is likely to infuriate the regional military and economic power.




http://i68.tinypic.com/2lddta0.jpg

You mean the bastard stopped kissing China's ass? We produce their food which makes the debt they hold worthless unless they can eat it.

[Ransom]

You mean the $#@! stopped kissing China's ass? We produce their food which makes the debt they hold worthless unless they can eat it.
They're earning interest on the debt we owe them. The interest on our debt alone....nearly half the amount spent on our entire defense structure and 'warmongering.' Amazing....you believe our defense spending is breaking our bank.....the 250 billion a year in interest on the debt...."worthless."

Wow

[Ransom]

Trump talking to the leader of Taiwan is good thing. It is time for the US to stop kowtowing to the Chicoms. Beijing doesn't decide who the United States talks to or doesn't talk to.

I think it is hilarious to see not only the forum's Leftists, but Leftist idiots all over the country soiling themselves over this. They are a disgusting bunch of cowardly bedwetters.

Not to mention the President of Taiwan called Trump, not the other way around. Their cry wolf tactics odd as.....don't we already have a story of someone crying wolf consistently....and losing the entire flock.

[TimeLord962]

They're earning interest on the debt we owe them. The interest on our debt alone....nearly half the amount spent on our entire defense structure and 'warmongering.' Amazing....you believe our defense spending is breaking our bank.....the 250 billion a year in interest on the debt...."worthless."

Wow

The overwhelming majority of our debt is owed domestically not to foreign powers, and the majority of that debt does not come from defense spending it comes from non-discretionary spending and entitlements. Obama racked up more debt than every single POTUS combined and he cut defense spending.

[exotix]

The overwhelming majority of our debt is owed domestically not to foreign powers, and the majority of that debt does not come from defense spending it comes from non-discretionary spending and entitlements.

Obama racked up more debt than every single POTUS combined and he cut defense spending.That'll be news to Carrier ...



Indiana official: Carrier deal is about federal contracts

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/indiana-carrier-deal-federal-contracts-trump-232021

John Mutz, a former Indiana lieutenant governor who sits on the agency’s 12-member board, told POLITICO that Carrier turned down a previous offer from IEDC (Indiana Economic Development Corporation) before the election.

He said he thinks the choice is driven by concerns from Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, that it could lose a portion of its roughly $6.7 billion in federal contracts.

[TimeLord962]

That'll be news to Carrier ...



Indiana official: Carrier deal is about federal contracts

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/indiana-carrier-deal-federal-contracts-trump-232021

John Mutz, a former Indiana lieutenant governor who sits on the agency’s 12-member board, told POLITICO that Carrier turned down a previous offer from IEDC (Indiana Economic Development Corporation) before the election.

He said he thinks the choice is driven by concerns from Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, that it could lose a portion of its roughly $6.7 billion in federal contracts.

What does this non sequitur have to do with anything? It is an undeniable fact that Obama racked up more debt than all former Presidents combined and your article is not a rebuttal of that fact in any way, shape, or form.

[exotix]

What does this non sequitur have to do with anything? It is an undeniable fact that Obama racked up more debt than all former Presidents combined and your article is not a rebuttal of that fact in any way, shape, or form.Easy, I just pwn'd your bold-faced lie ... LOL

[Amadeus]

More deflection, I am making you look very bad here son.

No, you're asking a stupid question based on an even stupider assumption. Thus making yourself look bad.

[Grizz]

No, you're asking a stupid question based on an even stupider assumption. Thus making yourself look bad.

Nope, the poor, poor man makes a silly statement and then runs from it when cornered ;)
Do try and keep up....or not, I don't really care ;)

[decedent]

After decades of improvements in Sino-American relations, Trump managed to piss of China during another publicity stunt.

[Tahuyaman]

I wonder if the partisan bed-wetting will turn off millions of people who are still leery of a future Trump administration?

[Cletus]

After decades of improvements in Sino-American relations, Trump managed to piss of China during another publicity stunt.

Let them be pissed.

If that bothers you, you must be the type who would turn your back on a friend to ingratiate yourself to a bully. I can't even imagine being like that.

[MisterVeritis]

But it's not ok to have relations with Cuba :laugh:
Do you believe a democratically elected leader offering her congratulations to the president-elect is in the same category as Barack Hussein O's capitulation to the Cuban dictators?

[MisterVeritis]

Easy, I just pwn'd your bold-faced lie ... LOL
I believe your condition is getting worse.

[MisterVeritis]

After decades of improvements in Sino-American relations, Trump managed to piss of China during another publicity stunt.
LOL. What makes you think anyone is pissed?

[Don]

Sino-American relationships? Taiwan is also "Sino" and they aren't communists oppressing a billion people. They are the people who escaped the horrors of Mao Zedong.

[AeonPax]

`
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I don't give a rats ass that Trump did this. Why? I don't know, it's just no big f**ken deal with me. Having said that, I was in Asia recently and was acutely aware of the proper protocols (customs) that were beneficial to follow.

[MisterVeritis]

`
I don't give a rats ass that Trump did this. Why? I don't know, it's just no big f**ken deal with me. Having said that, I was in Asia recently and was acutely aware of the proper protocols (customs) that were beneficial to follow.
Feel free to follow them.

Trump took a foreign leader's congratulatory phone call. It is a protocol of politeness.

[Captain Obvious]

trump is popular because math is hard, barbie.

write it on your forehead

Enjoy your weekend getaway.

Say hi to uncle Chester for me.

[NapRover]

I have no problem with this.
Me neither...he's not potus yet!

[suds00]

apparently the world is going to find out about going "rogue"whether we like it or not

[jimmyz]

Just the opening salvo of what we will be seeing. I like it. China got their first look at Trump's style. The Left's bitching about "protocol" is a sign of their insecurity and fear of China. This is a great strategic move by Trump showing the Commies what to expect RE the Taipei/Taiwan quandary.

[The Xl]

We shouldn't cower to China over silly shit like this anyway.

[Cletus]

Just the opening salvo of what we will be seeing. I like it. China got their first look at Trump's style. The Left's bitching about "protocol" is a sign of their insecurity and fear of China. This is a great strategic move by Trump showing the Commies what to expect RE the Taipei/Taiwan quandary.

Spot on.

[hanger4]

Easy, I just pwn'd your bold-faced lie ... LOL

You owned yourself exo. Your response to TimeLord962 was irrelevant.

[Newpublius]

Let's not forget who the 'good' China is.....Taiwan.

[decedent]

Let them be pissed.

If that bothers you, you must be the type who would turn your back on a friend to ingratiate yourself to a bully. I can't even imagine being like that.

His hapless bumbling bothers people who know even a smidgen of international affairs. Trump just stirred the pot for no apparent reason. It's just random, mindless destruction from an idiot who thinks Taiwan is a nation.

Trump is basically today's Chauncey Gardiner -- a moron who deluded people think is brilliant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgGvd1UPZ88

[MisterVeritis]

His hapless bumbling bothers people who know even a smidgen of international affairs. Trump just stirred the pot for no apparent reason. It's just random, mindless destruction from an idiot who thinks Taiwan is a nation.
Trump is basically today's Chauncey Gardiner -- a moron who deluded people think is brilliant.
You might want to close your eyes for the next eight years.

[Cletus]

His hapless bumbling bothers people who know even a smidgen of international affairs.

If that were true, you would not be bothered at all.

[donttread]

His hapless bumbling bothers people who know even a smidgen of international affairs. Trump just stirred the pot for no apparent reason. It's just random, mindless destruction from an idiot who thinks Taiwan is a nation.

Trump is basically today's Chauncey Gardiner -- a moron who deluded people think is brilliant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgGvd1UPZ88


Screw cow towing to China. If we can arm Taiwan we can sure as hell talk to them.

[decedent]

Screw cow towing to China. If we can arm Taiwan we can sure as hell talk to them.

China is westernizing quickly and our relations with them are improving greatly. They're dealing with their human rights and pollution issues . Why rock the boat?


Besides, the nationalists got Trump elected, and they probably don't like Trump's international muscle flexing.

[Captain Obvious]

China is westernizing quickly and our relations with them are improving greatly. They're dealing with their human rights and pollution issues . Why rock the boat?


Besides, the nationalists got Trump elected, and they probably don't like Trump's international muscle flexing.

lol

I guess considering we have privacy freedoms on par with North Korea and China thanks to teh O'bama and his thugs you might be on to something.

[donttread]

China is westernizing quickly and our relations with them are improving greatly. They're dealing with their human rights and pollution issues . Why rock the boat?


Besides, the nationalists got Trump elected, and they probably don't like Trump's international muscle flexing.


The mere attitude that it is our job to get China to fix their problems when we ignore so many of our own is at the core of what is wrong with our country. We don't only imperialize , we defelct attention from our own problems by being "Bertha better than you" in everybody's business.
Aside from that , if arming Taiwan doesn't "rock the boat" how can talking to their leader? That's fucking ridiculous on it's face.

[patrickt]

Donald Trump answered the phone. Well, I'm not surprised the leftists are shocked, outraged, and wetting their pants. That's not something Barack Obama would ever have done. Well, he'd answer the phone for Iran or Hamas or Fidel but not for Taiwan. Any ally of America is an enemy of the left. So, Barack Obama would simply stay on the golf course and let his cell go to voice mail.

[TimeLord962]

Easy, I just pwn'd your bold-faced lie ... LOL

You pwned me with a non sequitor? Sure thing sport.

[TimeLord962]

Donald Trump answered the phone. Well, I'm not surprised the leftists are shocked, outraged, and wetting their pants. That's not something Barack Obama would ever have done. Well, he'd answer the phone for Iran or Hamas or Fidel but not for Taiwan. Any ally of America is an enemy of the left. So, Barack Obama would simply stay on the golf course and let his cell go to voice mail.

Did you hear he eats dinner and gets secret service protection too, the horror.

[TimeLord962]

China is westernizing quickly and our relations with them are improving greatly. They're dealing with their human rights and pollution issues . Why rock the boat?


Besides, the nationalists got Trump elected, and they probably don't like Trump's international muscle flexing.

"Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the US doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don't think so!," -- The Donald

[decedent]

The mere attitude that it is our job to get China to fix their problems when we ignore so many of our own is at the core of what is wrong with our country.


That's why I think Trump shouldn't meddle.



We don't only imperialize , we defelct attention from our own problems by being "Bertha better than you" in everybody's business.
Aside from that , if arming Taiwan doesn't "rock the boat" how can talking to their leader? That's $#@!ing ridiculous on it's face.


Trump is not a President. He's not a diplomat. His people arranged a courtesy call with Taiwan. He suggested that Taiwan was a nation. He criticized China publicly.


He's doing everything you said he shouldn't do.




"Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the US doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don't think so!," -- The Donald
Are you saying that a sovereign nation doesn't have the right to devalue its currency?

China imposes tariffs on th EU and many other areas.

Many countries have a military.

[The Xl]

Liberals have no issue pushing the envelope with Russia, but bend over backwards China. Illogical, incoherent.

[TimeLord962]

Are you saying that a sovereign nation doesn't have the right to devalue its currency?

China imposes tariffs on th EU and many other areas.

Many countries have a military.

The point went way over your head, the US doesn't need China's permission to talk to Taiwan, they can go screw. And what you call improved relations anyone with eyes sees as China bending the US over a barrel.

[decedent]

The point went way over your head, the US doesn't need China's permission to talk to Taiwan, they can go screw. And what you call improved relations anyone with eyes sees as China bending the US over a barrel.
Wow. Trump really did a number on you. But since everyone can do international relations, I'm sure you wont mind if China decides that Puerto Rico a sovereign.

Trump just needs to butt out of Asian affairs. He has no authority to declare any place sovereign.

[Subdermal]

Wow. Trump really did a number on you. But since everyone can do international relations, I'm sure you wont mind if China decides that Puerto Rico a sovereign.

:facepalm:

It's about what Puerto Rico wants, brain stem. Have you considered that Taiwan and Puerto Rico aren't analogous. At all?

:dang::killme:


Trump just needs to butt out of Asian affairs. He has no authority to declare any place sovereign.

WTF. They've declared themselves sovereign.

[Bethere]

*Breaking*

In continuing to refuse Intelligence Briefings, Trump in his utter-ignorance of international protocols ... appears to not care one iota that his stupidity and belligerence will lead to showdowns instead of diplomatic solutions ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-spoke-with-taiwanese-president-a-major-break-with-decades-of-us-policy-on-china/2016/12/02/b98d3a22-b8ca-11e6-959c-172c82123976_story.html?utm_term=.027fdd308c7d

Trump speaks with Taiwanese president, a major break with decades of U.S. policy on China


President-elect Donald Trump spoke Friday with Taiwan’s president, a major departure from decades of U.S. policy in Asia and a breach of diplomatic protocol with ramifications for the incoming president’s relations with China.

The call is the first known contact between a U.S. president or president-elect with a Taiwanese leader since before the United States broke diplomatic relations with the island in 1979.

China considers Taiwan a province, and news of the official outreach by Trump is likely to infuriate the regional military and economic power.




http://i68.tinypic.com/2lddta0.jpg

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DRDrfE9I8_hs&ved=0ahUKEwj_4sjyr97QAhXhJsAKHaSHDlIQ3ywIGzAA&usg=AFQjCNHtLLrarPD12tejquUmIa06YIpsYw

[exploited]

Liberals have no issue pushing the envelope with Russia, but bend over backwards China. Illogical, incoherent.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I happen to think that acknowledging the country of Taiwan is a sensible and moral thing to do, the idea that China and Russia are even in the same ballpark is simply untrue. Russia is much, much worse when it comes to foreign policy.

[decedent]

:facepalm:

It's about what Puerto Rico wants, brain stem. Have you considered that Taiwan and Puerto aren't analogous. At all?

:dang::killme:



WTF. They've declared themselves sovereign.
Cigar was right: all insults, no facts.

Get back to me when you stop name-calling... and maybe present a fact or two.

[Cigar]

@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) was right: all insults, no facts.

Get back to me when you stop name-calling... and maybe present a fact or two.

Before you know it, they will call you every name in the book and you'll get thread banned for not putting up with it.

[Subdermal]

@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) was right: all insults, no facts.

Get back to me when you stop name-calling... and maybe present a fact or two.

:facepalm:

You could not find a lie in Hillary's statements when people posted video of Hillary lying. Who, therefore, would ever be shocked to see you ignore factual rebuttals of your asinine post?

[decedent]

Before you know it, they will call you every name in the book and you'll get thread banned for not putting up with it.

As evil liberals, we have to take our daily beating.



:facepalm:

You could not find a lie in Hillary's statements when people posted video of Hillary lying. Who, therefore, would ever be shocked to see you ignore factual rebuttals of your asinine post?

You posted no facts. Sorry.

[Subdermal]

As evil liberals, we have to take our daily beating.




You posted no facts. Sorry.

Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US, and isn't analogous to Taiwan, whose leadership wants independence.

Taiwan declared the wish to be independent THEMSELVES.

These aren't facts to you?

[Subdermal]

Before you know it, they will call you every name in the book and you'll get thread banned for not putting up with it.

It would help if you would actually post intelligent arguments with substance, and defend them instead of running away by making completely unrelated statements.

If you are called names, it because you have no interest in doing the above, and choose to troll instead.

[Captain Obvious]

As evil liberals, we have to take our daily beating.




You posted no facts. Sorry.

I wouldn't say "evil".

Misguided... better term.

[donttread]

"Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the US doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don't think so!," -- The Donald


China does not need our permission to do those things , much like we don't need theirs to tariff their goods or speak to Taiwan. We grow their food. They have foolishly become dependednt upon a quasi enemy for a necessary daily staple. Now who would be dumb enough to do something like that?

[Ransom]

China does not need our permission to do those things , much like we don't need theirs to tariff their goods or speak to Taiwan. We grow their food. They have foolishly become dependednt upon a quasi enemy for a necessary daily staple. Now who would be dumb enough to do something like that?
http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/entry/the-u.s.-imports-a-lot-of-food-from-china-and-you-might-be-surprised-whats
Another read last and comment first from donttread who seems to wing it regardless the topic.

[donttread]

http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/entry/the-u.s.-imports-a-lot-of-food-from-china-and-you-might-be-surprised-whats
Another read last and comment first from donttread who seems to wing it regardless the topic.

We export staple needs to them far more inportant than vitamin "C" capsules. About five times the amount we import from them in a dollar comparison. Wow, a weapon of isolationism . No wonder you don't want to acknowledge it. Being a bread basket is more powerful than holding debt or an Army, if you also produce your own damn needs. Let me know when you get your foot out of your mouth, Mr. "read first" LOL

[exotix]

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Bob Dole apparently arranged call between Trump and President of Taiwan

[decedent]

Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US, and isn't analogous to Taiwan, whose leadership wants independence.

Taiwan declared the wish to be independent THEMSELVES.

These aren't facts to you?

I'm saying that if China isn't meddling in the US's domestic affairs, maybe the US shouldn't meddle in China's domestic affairs.

I used an analogy because you didn't seem to get it. You still don't.

[decedent]

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Bob Dole apparently arranged call between Trump and President of Taiwan

Trump made it seem like Taiwan called him out of the blue to congratulate him.

Jinkies.

[pjohns]

*Breaking*

In continuing to refuse Intelligence Briefings, Trump in his utter-ignorance of international protocols ... appears to not care one iota that his stupidity and belligerence will lead to showdowns instead of diplomatic solutions ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-spoke-with-taiwanese-president-a-major-break-with-decades-of-us-policy-on-china/2016/12/02/b98d3a22-b8ca-11e6-959c-172c82123976_story.html?utm_term=.027fdd308c7d

Trump speaks with Taiwanese president, a major break with decades of U.S. policy on China


President-elect Donald Trump spoke Friday with Taiwan’s president, a major departure from decades of U.S. policy in Asia and a breach of diplomatic protocol with ramifications for the incoming president’s relations with China.

The call is the first known contact between a U.S. president or president-elect with a Taiwanese leader since before the United States broke diplomatic relations with the island in 1979.

China considers Taiwan a province, and news of the official outreach by Trump is likely to infuriate the regional military and economic power.




http://i68.tinypic.com/2lddta0.jpg
Yes, Donald Trump did, indeed, "breach...protocol" in his speaking with the Taiwanese leader.

But Barack Obama also breached US protocol in his embrace of Raul Castro and the authoritarian government of Cuba.

One has to wonder just why it is shocking--utterly shocking!--for the president-elect to breach protocol by taking a phone call from an ally, congratulating him on his win; yet perfectly okay for our sitting president to breach protocol as regarding an enemy just 90 miles off our shore.

Note: My only reservation, in this regard, is that Mr. Trump did not fully embrace what he did, and state--candidly--that this was intended to signal a shift in US-China policy; and an end to the "One-China Policy" (started by Jimmy Carter in 1979--even though Richard Nixon also deserves some of the blame, for opening up to China earlier).

[patrickt]

Exotix, what's the "protocol" that was broken? Or, is this another imaginary whine from the left?