Trump renews threat of tariffs on companies that move jobs overseas

[Common]

Ok found it in print, YAY a potus who loves america more than mexico and iran


Days after praising a deal providing tax breaks to a company for keeping jobs in the United States, President-elect Donald Trump is renewing his threat to slap tariffs on the products of companies that move jobs overseas in the future.

"There will be a tax ... soon" of 35% for companies that move overseas and try to sell goods "back across the border," Trump said during a Sunday tweet storm.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/04/donald-trump-tariffs-carrier-rexnord/94953500/

[Bo-4]

As i said when you (already) posted this in Rants:

Not gonna pass congress - they know we'd get smacked back 35% every time we went to export something to Mexico.

[exotix]

Companies will still reap big profits moving to Mexico no matter how much tax and tariff Trump applies to their goods ... so I'm not see'ng why Trump-voters will be any of the less of stupid sheeple.

[Common]

As i said when you (already) posted this in Rants:

Not gonna pass congress - they know we'd get smacked back 35% every time we went to export something to Mexico.
Oh it will and Obama never had anything pass congress, what makes you think trump wont use his tactics.

[Cigar]

Oh it will and Obama never had anything pass congress, what makes you think trump wont use his tactics.

Of course not, who's going to obstruct Trump; Let Trump-B-Trump all the way to the bottom :laugh:

[Bo-4]

Companies will still reap big profits moving to Mexico no matter how much tax and tariff Trump applies to their goods ... so I'm not see'ng why Trump-voters will be any of the less of stupid sheeple.

Even if Mexico didn't smack us back on our exports (which they would) ... the offshoring companies would figure out a way around it - they ALWAYS do.

[Bo-4]

Of course not, who's going to obstruct Trump; Let Trump-B-Trump all the way to the bottom :laugh:

Yep, we'll drain THAT swamp in 2020 :D

[exotix]

Even if Mexico didn't smack us back on our exports (which they would) ... the offshoring companies would figure out a way around it - they ALWAYS do.This is just another Common flame-troll thread ...

Say for instance Carrier who is still moving to Mexico ... Trump will then levy 35% on Carrier because Carrier clowned 'em ... Big Govt. is Carriers' biggest and most important customer ... who get passed along the 35% added cost to the units Dumpf just levied on 'em ... just like you and me ... and we will pay it ..

Because Lennox, Carriers' competitor doesn't make good HVAC's that break down faster amd more expensive to fix than Carrier.

[Peter1469]

Even if Mexico didn't smack us back on our exports (which they would) ... the offshoring companies would figure out a way around it - they ALWAYS do.
We can change our tax code to not encourage off shoring.

[Green Arrow]

I'm glad conservatives finally ended their lipservice to the phantom free market.

[Bo-4]

We can change our tax code to not encourage off shoring.

Agreed - if we could find a way to bring a few of the biggies like Apple back 100% that would be huge.

[Peter1469]

Agreed - if we could find a way to bring a few of the biggies like Apple back 100% that would be huge.

Apple has brought the issue up. I don't think that they could totally produce in the US. They higher a lot of people in China.

[MisterVeritis]

Agreed - if we could find a way to bring a few of the biggies like Apple back 100% that would be huge.
I think what will happen is new companies will build here. Once the tax laws and regulatory burdens are lifted the US is going to be the destination spot for businesses.

[exploited]

I think what will happen is new companies will build here. Once the tax laws and regulatory burdens are lifted the US is going to be the destination spot for businesses.
Not really. Companies despise working in environments where they are expected to pay for health care and social services are lacking. They will instead move to places like Canada, which has a much more competitive corporate tax regime, and is also substantially cheaper for manufacturers.

[Common]

I think what will happen is new companies will build here. Once the tax laws and regulatory burdens are lifted the US is going to be the destination spot for businesses.
Wishful thinking the cost of manufacturing in the US isnt just regulations and lower taxs. Its the costs to do business the cost of living here is HUGE compared to the outsourced countries that costs. Healthcare costs and social security etc. ALL those things are absent in china and as long as a company can make more they have demonstrated that greed comes before all else.

Nike makes a sneaker in china for 6.00 and sells it here 80.00 if they made it here it would cost 4 times as much lets say. 24.00 no shipping from china and they still sell it for 80 bucks. They went to china

Corporate greed and bottom line that boosts bonus and salaries are Supreme and come before all else

[MisterVeritis]

Once the tax laws and regulatory burdens are lifted...

Not really. Companies despise working in environments where they are expected to pay for health care and social services are lacking. They will instead move to places like Canada, which has a much more competitive corporate tax regime, and is also substantially cheaper for manufacturers.
We shall see.

[MisterVeritis]

Wishful thinking the cost of manufacturing in the US isnt just regulations and lower taxs. Its the costs to do business the cost of living here is HUGE compared to the outsourced countries that costs. Healthcare costs and social security etc. ALL those things are absent in china and as long as a company can make more they have demonstrated that greed comes before all else.
Nike makes a sneaker in china for 6.00 and sells it here 80.00 if they made it here it would cost 4 times as much lets say. 24.00 no shipping from china and they still sell it for 80 bucks. They went to china
Corporate greed and bottom line that boosts bonus and salaries are Supreme and come before all else
Yes. It is. The government (really federal and some states) have made it too difficult and too expensive to do business here. I do tire of your "greed" nonsense. First, it is juvenile. Second, it is idiotic. Third, it smacks of Marxism.

Trump can lead the Congress to simplify the tax laws and reduce tax rates. He can also lead the Congress is eliminating the enormous regulatory burdens all businesses face. Then business in the US will both grow and new businesses will be created.

You lack vision and imagination. My advice; step out of the way so you don't get run over by those who don't know, as you do, that it is impossible.

[TimeLord962]

As i said when you (already) posted this in Rants:

Not gonna pass congress - they know we'd get smacked back 35% every time we went to export something to Mexico.

If the Republican congress won't pass it Trump should threaten not to give them anything they want either. Trump is the head if the party now and if they won't follow his lead even now then they need to go and the movement should get rid of all incumbents who are being obstructionist in the primaries.

[MisterVeritis]

If the Republican congress won't pass it Trump should threaten not to give them anything they want either. Trump is the head if the party now and if they won't follow his lead even now then they need to go and the movement should get rid of all incumbents who are being obstructionist in the primaries.
That would be very foolish. So Trump won't do it.

We have three separate but equal branches of government for a reason.

Taxes and regulations are first priority. Then energy independence. Then the wall and immigration. After those are done let's see.

[TimeLord962]

Yes. It is. The government (really federal and some states) have made it too difficult and too expensive to do business here. I do tire of your "greed" nonsense. First, it is juvenile. Second, it is idiotic. Third, it smacks of Marxism.

Trump can lead the Congress to simplify the tax laws and reduce tax rates. He can also lead the Congress is eliminating the enormous regulatory burdens all businesses face. Then business in the US will both grow and new businesses will be created.

You lack vision and imagination. My advice; step out of the way so you don't get run over by those who don't know, as you do, that it is impossible.

Trump is going to offer them the carrot and if they refuse they will get the stick as they should, the assertion that the government should support the American working class does not smell of Marxism it smells of patriotism and a nation of, by, and for the people!

[MisterVeritis]

Trump is going to offer them the carrot and if they refuse they will get the stick as they should, the assertion that the government should support the American working class does not smell of Marxism it smells of patriotism and a nation of, by, and for the people!
It is easy (and wrong) to embrace protectionism. The Marxism is more of the capitalist greed nonsense.

Trump is a president. He is not a King. His best move is the one he is going to take. Priority one is the tax and regulations reforms. He does not need tariffs, no should he have them other than possibly to punish currency manipulation. That is an arrow best left in the quiver.

[TimeLord962]

That would be very foolish. So Trump won't do it.

We have three separate but equal branches of government for a reason.

Taxes and regulations are first priority. Then energy independence. Then the wall and immigration. After those are done let's see.

Why would that be foolish? In case you didn't get the memo the people are sick of the global corporatist elite fucking over the American working class in favor of making an easy buck off the back of Chinese and Mexican slave labor and if the RNC doesn't get on board and actively obstructs Trump as they did throughout the entire campaign they can go screw in 2018 and the people will support candidates who will fight to bring back a living wage to this country. We do have 3 coequal branches but that doesn't mean that quid pro quo is not fair game. Pass the legislation and until they do Trump does not have to nominate a person for SCOTUS. That's politics bitch.

[Bo-4]

I think what will happen is new companies will build here. Once the tax laws and regulatory burdens are lifted the US is going to be the destination spot for businesses.

Perhaps, but even if your wet Trump dream is realized, Muslim owned businesses won't be welcome.

[TimeLord962]

It is easy (and wrong) to embrace protectionism. The Marxism is more of the capitalist greed nonsense.

Trump is a president. He is not a King. His best move is the one he is going to take. Priority one is the tax and regulations reforms. He does not need tariffs, no should he have them other than possibly to punish currency manipulation. That is an arrow best left in the quiver.

It's not protectionism these are not foreign companies they are American companies, opposition to outsourcing is not protectionism, words mean things!


nounECONOMICS
the theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports.

Trump is not a king but he has powers under the Constitution to not sign legislation into law and he can very well threaten not to pick a nominee for SCOTUS, that is not monarchy that's politics and well within his constitutional authority.

[MisterVeritis]

That would be very foolish. So Trump won't do it.
We have three separate but equal branches of government for a reason.
Taxes and regulations are first priority. Then energy independence. Then the wall and immigration. After those are done let's see.

Why would that be foolish?
Trump wants to get a lot of things done. Taking your course of action would end any chance of doing what he wants to do. Let's see, how did you put it? "That's politics, bitch!"


In case you didn't get the memo
I love attitude. Let's see if there is any aptitude.


the people are sick of the global corporatist elite fucking over the American working class
hmm, no aptitude, just the usual hint of warmed over Marxism.


in favor of making an easy buck off the back of Chinese and Mexican slave labor
hmm, I am not sure what this is, but still no aptitude.


and if the RNC doesn't get on board and actively obstructs Trump
The RNC, the Republican National Committee, has no role to play in the legislative process. Nor is it elected by the people. The RNC is the Party apparatus.


as they did throughout the entire campaign they can go screw in 2018 and the people will support candidates who will fight to bring back a living wage to this country.
Attitude and emotion but no aptitude. The "living wage" thing is Marxism filtered through Wilson and FDR, two patron saints of conservatism.


We do have 3 coequal branches but that doesn't mean that quid pro quo is not fair game. Pass the legislation and until they do Trump does not have to nominate a person for SCOTUS. That's politics bitch.
Yeah, you might want to work on your knowledge base a bit.

The good news is Trump will take the right course of action. Just not the one you recommend.

[MisterVeritis]

Perhaps, but even if your wet Trump dream is realized, Muslim owned businesses won't be welcome.
LOL. It is going to happen. Sit back (quietly if possible) and watch.

[MisterVeritis]

It's not protectionism these are not foreign companies they are American companies, opposition to outsourcing is not protectionism, words mean things!
We do agree words mean things.
Tariffs are protectionism. Tariffs protect the American competitors who are US based.
the theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports.
Changing the ownership changes nothing.

Trump is not a king but he has powers under the Constitution to not sign legislation into law
Trump wants to sign his legislation into law. It is his agenda.


and he can very well threaten not to pick a nominee for SCOTUS, that is not monarchy that's politics and well within his constitutional authority.
Explain why you believe Trump would want to threaten this course of action. I am dumbfounded. What am I missing?

[TimeLord962]

That would be very foolish. So Trump won't do it.
We have three separate but equal branches of government for a reason.
Taxes and regulations are first priority. Then energy independence. Then the wall and immigration. After those are done let's see.

Trump wants to get a lot of things done. Taking your course of action would end any chance of doing what he wants to do. Let's see, how did you put it? "That's politics, $#@!!"


I love attitude. Let's see if there is any aptitude.


hmm, no aptitude, just the usual hint of warmed over Marxism.

Since when did supporting American companies actually making their products in America which they intend to sell to Americans become Marxism?



hmm, I am not sure what this is, but still no aptitude.

It's called outsourcing.



The RNC, the Republican National Committee, has no role to play in the legislative process. Nor is it elected by the people. The RNC is the Party apparatus.


Yes and we will no longer support their candidates if they continue to obstruct our President the way they have done since he announced.



Attitude and emotion but no aptitude. The "living wage" thing is Marxism filtered through Wilson and FDR, two patron saints of conservatism.

Lol like Pat Buchanan that flaming Marxist.


Yeah, you might want to work on your knowledge base a bit.

You might want to learn the definition of protectionism and how it has nothing to do with opposition to US companies engaging in outsourcing. Then while you're at it you can learn the definition of Marxism which means worker control of the means of production and has nothing to do with supporting American industry which offers a living wage to the American people. And finally try reading Article 2 of the Constitution and learn the powers of the executive which includes making judicial nominations:


He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court,




The good news is Trump will take the right course of action. Just not the one you recommend.

Trump already said what he is going to do, offer the carrot or the stick.

[MisterVeritis]

This is what you wrote, "the people are sick of the global corporatist elite fucking over the American working class"
Since when did supporting American companies actually making their products in America which they intend to sell to Americans become Marxism?Corporate elites, working class. Those are phrases Marxists like, especially when they are pitting one against the other as you did.

[TimeLord962]

We do agree words mean things.
Tariffs are protectionism. Tariffs protect the American competitors who are US based.
Changing the ownership changes nothing.

BS, protectionism can by definition not involve taxes levied on domestic owned companies, protectionism is aimed at foreign industry not domestic industry.

Protectionism -
the theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports.




Trump wants to sign his legislation into law. It is his agenda.

And if they obstruct his goals he will obstruct theirs.



Explain why you believe Trump would want to threaten this course of action. I am dumbfounded. What am I missing?

Because his main objective is to resurrect American industry and save the American working class.

[TimeLord962]

This is what you wrote, "the people are sick of the global corporatist elite $#@!ing over the American working class"Corporate elites, working class. Those are phrases Marxists like, especially when they are pitting one against the other as you did.

Marxism is worker control of the means of production. The assertion that buying and supporting made in America is akin to Marxism is laughable on its face, it is Marxists who support open borders and internationalism just like these corporate elites outsourcing their labor to communist countries like Red China!

[MisterVeritis]

The RNC, the Republican National Committee, has no role to play in the legislative process. Nor is it elected by the people. The RNC is the Party apparatus.


Yes and we will no longer support their candidates if they continue to obstruct our President the way they have done since he announced.
How do you see that happening? Will you never again vote for a Republican?

[MisterVeritis]

The "living wage" thing is Marxism filtered through Wilson and FDR, two patron saints of conservatism.

Lol like Pat Buchanan that flaming Marxist.
If Buchanan is calling for a living wage then yes, he is using Marxist terms. We can explore this further if you like.

[TimeLord962]

The "living wage" thing is Marxism filtered through Wilson and FDR, two patron saints of conservatism.

If Buchanan is calling for a living wage then yes, he is using Marxist terms. We can explore this further if you like.

Marxists don't support wages at all, they support an end to currency and from each according to their ability to each according to their needs. You know Marxists like your boy Irving Kristol.

[Peter1469]

BS, protectionism can by definition not involve taxes levied on domestic owned companies, protectionism is aimed at foreign industry not domestic industry.

Protectionism -
the theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports.




And if they obstruct his goals he will obstruct theirs.



Because his main objective is to resurrect American industry and save the American working class.We certainly should respond to criminal dumping into our markets.

I wouldn't go so far as Trump. But it is better than the past- where we allowed ourselves to get screwed in really bad deals.

[Captain Obvious]

Marxists don't support wages at all, they support an end to currency and from each according to their ability to each according to their needs.

Where is Marxism relevant?

[MisterVeritis]

You might want to learn the definition of protectionism and how it has nothing to do with opposition to US companies engaging in outsourcing.

Using tariffs against companies who manufacture overseas and import their products for sale here is protectionism. It is designed to protect whatever is being made here and not there. It increases the customers' cost. It usually reduces availability of the things customers want. President's have no authority to create tariffs. I do not believe the Congress would give him a law to do it.

[TimeLord962]

Where is Marxism relevant?

He is asserting that opposition to outsourcing and jobs that can actually support a living wage to the American working class staying in the US is somehow akin to Marxism.

[MisterVeritis]

Where is Marxism relevant?
Time likes to use Marxist phrases. That was my comment. For some people, it is important to speak of the exploitative, greedy corporations and the downtrodden working class. It is the usual nonsense.

[MisterVeritis]

He is asserting that opposition to outsourcing and jobs that can actually support a living wage to the American working class staying in the US is somehow akin to Marxism.
No. Time. I an asserting you use Marxist phrases. Which, of course, you do.

[MisterVeritis]

Marxists don't support wages at all, they support an end to currency and from each according to their ability to each according to their needs. You know Marxists like your boy Irving Kristol.
You are confused about what happens once the utopia has been achieved. Along the way, the living wage idea is frequently used by socialists who draw upon Marx, Engels, and others. It is a weapon. Nothing more.

Explain more about my boy Irving Kristol. I do not recall mentioning him.

[MisterVeritis]

We certainly should respond to criminal dumping into our markets.
I wouldn't go so far as Trump. But it is better than the past- where we allowed ourselves to get screwed in really bad deals.
No additional laws are required to punish dumping.

[Peter1469]

No additional laws are required to punish dumping.

Which laws are those?

We go to an international tribunal and claim that nation X is illegally dumping goods into our market. And that our corporations are being bankrupted. Typically we don't win the cases or the other nation ignores the judgement.

That is how solar panel companies in the US and in Germany were put out of business. Because China used illegal dumping practices.

[TimeLord962]

Using tariffs against companies who manufacture overseas and import their products for sale here is protectionism. It is designed to protect whatever is being made here and not there. It increases the customers' cost. It usually reduces availability of the things customers want.

I'll trade my cheap iPhone for the prospect of a living wage any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Again foreign industry is not being targeted which is what protectionism is, we are not going to allow these companies to continue making wind fall profits at the expense of the American working class who have worse economic prospects than their parents did. A rising tide is supposed to raise all ships but that is not happening because of outsourcing and the importation of foreign labor.

President's have no authority to create tariffs. I do not believe the Congress would give him a law to do it.

And the congress has no authority to nominate judges or sign legislation into law. Let's play let's make a deal.

[MisterVeritis]

This is what you wrote, "the people are sick of the global corporatist elite $#@!ing over the American working class"Corporate elites, working class.

Those are phrases Marxists like, especially when they are pitting one against the other as you did.


Marxism is worker control of the means of production. The assertion that buying and supporting made in America is akin to Marxism is laughable on its face, it is Marxists who support open borders and internationalism just like these corporate elites outsourcing their labor to communist countries like Red China!
And yet you love to use phrases that would just as readily skipped of Radical Karl's tongue. You know, "working class" "corporate elites". All you need to throw in is a bit of the dictatorship of the working class proles. You have the right formula, the elites "fucking over" the working class.

Did you attend the Obama school of community organizing? I could easily see Barrack Hussein O using similar language.

[TimeLord962]

You are confused about what happens once the utopia has been achieved. Along the way, the living wage idea is frequently used by socialists who draw upon Marx, Engels, and others. It is a weapon. Nothing more.

Yes raging socialists like Eisenhower, Nixon, and Buchanan.



Explain more about my boy Irving Kristol. I do not recall mentioning him.

You're reading out of the neoconservative pro-globalist playbook.

[Bethere]

Which laws are those?

We go to an international tribunal and claim that nation X is illegally dumping goods into our market. And that our corporations are being bankrupted. Typically we don't win the cases or the other nation ignores the judgement.

That is how solar panel companies in the US and in Germany were put out of business. Because China used illegal dumping practices.

We win those cases all of the time!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/fact-sheets/2015/january/fact-sheet-obama-administration%25E2%2580%2599s&ved=0ahUKEwi33Ojt29vQAhUK4SYKHXnYDjUQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNFCV-gVIMBeuCI4zANyQFTSIC_www

Seriously, if you need help with the Google, pm me.

[MisterVeritis]

Which laws are those?
Beats me. Are you claiming we do not have recourse?

Anyway, that is a different subject. It does not involve punishing private companies.

[TimeLord962]

The RNC, the Republican National Committee, has no role to play in the legislative process. Nor is it elected by the people. The RNC is the Party apparatus.

How do you see that happening? Will you never again vote for a Republican?

No we will kick out the incumbents and support new candidates in the primaries.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes raging socialists like Eisenhower, Nixon, and Buchanan.
Tell me about their use of living wage, and the fight between corporate elites and the working class.

You're reading out of the neoconservative pro-globalist playbook.
Regrets. I have no such playbook. But it is a stock phrase. Congratulations for finding it.

[Tahuyaman]

We can change our tax code to not encourage off shoring.

That is true, but imposing high tariffs on imports is not the change that's needed. Eliminate, or even drastically reduce the corporate tax and the business and manufacturing operations will stay here.

[MisterVeritis]

No we will kick out the incumbents and support new candidates in the primaries.
give that you don't understand the difference between the RNC and the Congress I hope you have lined up some help.

[TimeLord962]

This is what you wrote, "the people are sick of the global corporatist elite $#@!ing over the American working class"Corporate elites, working class.

Those are phrases Marxists like, especially when they are pitting one against the other as you did.


And yet you love to use phrases that would just as readily skipped of Radical Karl's tongue. You know, "working class" "corporate elites". All you need to throw in is a bit of the dictatorship of the working class proles. You have the right formula, the elites "$#@!ing over" the working class.

Did you attend the Obama school of community organizing? I could easily see Barrack Hussein O using similar language.

I clearly said global corporatists IE those internationalists who support open borders just like Marx. And again the assertion that supporting American labor is akin to Marxism is laughable on it's face. I know I see a lot of Marxists supporting made in America.

[Bethere]

Beats me. Are you claiming we do not have recourse?

Anyway, that is a different subject. It does not involve punishing private companies.

Last time I heard, Obama has never lost a case with the WTO.

Since President Obama was inaugurated in 2009, the United States has filed 20 enforcement complaints at the World Trade Organization (WTO) – the chief world forum for trade enforcement. That’s more than any other WTO Member.
And the United States has won every single one of those disputes that has been decided by the WTO so far.


ibid.

[TimeLord962]

give that you don't understand the difference between the RNC and the Congress I hope you have lined up some help.

I am talking about the RNC Congressmen but you already know that you just want to obfuscate the discussion with irrelevant semantics.

[TimeLord962]

That is true, but imposing high tariffs on imports is not the change that's needed. Eliminate, or even drastically reduce the corporate tax and the business and manufacturing operations will stay here.

We should not be importing products which are produced by American companies.

[MisterVeritis]

Using tariffs against companies who manufacture overseas and import their products for sale here is protectionism. It is designed to protect whatever is being made here and not there. It increases the customers' cost. It usually reduces availability of the things customers want.


I'll trade my cheap iPhone for the prospect of a living wage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
If you have to settle for a "living wage" you ought to be spending your time learning marketable skills instead of being here.


Again foreign industry is not being targeted which is what protectionism is, we are not going to allow these companies to continue making wind fall profits at the expense of the American working class who have worse economic prospects than their parents did.
Socialists, Marxists, you guys don't like profit do you? You have the wrong enemy. The government has caused your problem. Until you realize that you will continue down the fruitless path you are on.


A rising tide is supposed to raise all ships but that is not happening because of outsourcing and the importation of foreign labor.
Your solution is no solution. Fortunately, Trump has his own plan. I believe his solution is the right one. I have already written of it.

[MisterVeritis]

I am talking about the RNC Congressmen but you already know that you just want to obfuscate the discussion with irrelevant semantics.
Sure. The committee is not the Congress. The Congress is not the RNC. Proceed.

[Bethere]

We should not be importing products which are produced by American companies.

Gosh, my Republican friends would tell me that the consumer would vote with their dollars to smite any company that might subvert our free market by doing such a thing.

Milton Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom has a whole chapter dedicated to that notion.

[TimeLord962]

No. Time. I an asserting you use Marxist phrases. Which, of course, you do.

They are descriptor terms for your internationalist buddies like the actual Marxist Irving Kristol and his neocon acolytes.

[MisterVeritis]

I clearly said global corporatists IE those internationalists who support open borders just like Marx. And again the assertion that supporting American labor is akin to Marxism is laughable on it's face. I know I see a lot of Marxists supporting made in America.
I do not want to bore everyone else. I did not say supporting labor is Marxism. It isn't. You built a straw man to knock over. Bravo.

[TimeLord962]

Gosh, my Republican friends would tell me that the consumer would vote with their dollars to smite any company that might subvert our free market by doing such a thing.

Kind of hard to do when all of the products are produced by foreign labor, either through outsourcing of our manufacturing base or through the importation of cheap foreign labor.

[Tahuyaman]

We should not be importing products which are produced by American companies.


I believe in free markets. We shouldn't be taxing these manufacturing operations out of the country.

[MisterVeritis]

They are descriptor terms for your internationalist buddies like the actual Marxist Irving Kristol and his neocon acolytes.
Right. Which words? Tariffs? Protectionism? Some other words?

[TimeLord962]

I do not want to bore everyone else. I did not say supporting labor is Marxism. It isn't. You built a straw man to knock over. Bravo.

Oh BS, when I said that I opposed the global corporatists from outsourcing labor you called me a Marxist.

[Peter1469]

Beats me. Are you claiming we do not have recourse?

Anyway, that is a different subject. It does not involve punishing private companies.

In the instance of Chinese dumping the companies are largely owned by the Chinese military.

[Bethere]

Kind of hard to do when all of the products are produced by foreign labor, either through outsourcing of our manufacturing base or through the importation of cheap foreign labor.

Why would that be hard? Easily identified, the swift and sure retribution vis a vis Smith's invisible hand would surely be forthcoming.

[TimeLord962]

Right. Which words? Tariffs? Protectionism? Some other words?

Try outsourcing, internationalism, and open borders, those things which Marx actually supported just like your global corporatist elites.

[Peter1469]

That is true, but imposing high tariffs on imports is not the change that's needed. Eliminate, or even drastically reduce the corporate tax and the business and manufacturing operations will stay here.


I agree. As I said above I would focus tariffs on illegal dumping.

I would slash corporate taxes perhaps to zero. Bring business back here.

[TimeLord962]

Why would that be hard? Easily identified, the swift and sure retribution vis a vis Smith's invisible hand would surely be forthcoming.

The jnvisible hand doesn't work when we are outsourcing labor to authoritarian state run economies like China, how the hell can the American worker compete with basically slave labor?

[MisterVeritis]

Oh BS, when I said that I opposed the global corporatists from outsourcing labor you called me a Marxist.
You might want to go back and reread what you wrote and my responses.

I am beginning to believe you are influenced more by Radical Karl than you realize. You will be just as wrong as he although it is unlikely you will be as (in)famous.

[TimeLord962]

I believe in free markets. We shouldn't be taxing these manufacturing operations out of the country.

It's a two pronged approach, either they can accept the carrot or get the stick.

[Bethere]

The jnvisible hand doesn't work when we are outsourcing labor to authoritarian state run economies like China, how the hell can the American worker compete with basically slave labor?

Of course it would, that is, if it works at all.

Our consumers woud vote for the product that serves their best interests as they always do.

right?

[TimeLord962]

You might want to go back and reread what you wrote and my responses.

I am beginning to believe you are influenced more by Radical Karl than you realize. You will be just as wrong as he although it is unlikely you will be as (in)famous.

Says the guy reading out of the neocon internationalists playbool founded by the Marxist Irving Kristol.

[MisterVeritis]

Right. Which words? Tariffs? Protectionism? Some other words?

Try outsourcing, internationalism, and open borders, those things which Marx actually supported just like your global corporatist elites.
I believe you have gone, or are going, off the deep end.

I oppose open borders. So does Trump.
I do not know what internationalism means to you. Explain it and let's see if I have an opinion.

Outsourcing is a legitimate business practice. The federal government has no role to play in punishing it. But the federal government does have a role to play in improving the business climate here by simplifying the tax laws, reducing tax rates, and slashing regulations.

Was Marx for outsourcing? I do not recall reading about it. But it was unlikely to occur while he lived.

[MisterVeritis]

Says the guy reading out of the neocon internationalists playbool founded by the Marxist Irving Kristol.
Make a case, if you can.

[Bethere]

Says the guy reading out of the neocon internationalists playbool founded by the Marxist Irving Kristol.

So, you are saying that Irving Kristol was a Marxist?

wow.

[MisterVeritis]

The jnvisible hand doesn't work when we are outsourcing labor to authoritarian state run economies like China, how the hell can the American worker compete with basically slave labor?
The "invisible hand" always works. It must. It matters not at all that you may be unhappy with its ongoing results.

[MisterVeritis]

So, you are saying that Irving Kristol was a Marxist? wow.
Maybe it was Kristol's support for the welfare state. Although there was far less of it when he lived. And I oppose the welfare state as a Federal function. For Timelord Marxism and neoconservatism may be the same thing. There is probably some overlap. There always is.

[Chris]

If Trump raises tariffs then American consumers will pay for it. How is that good?

[Peter1469]

If Trump raises tariffs then American consumers will pay for it. How is that good?

By creating a larger tax base.

[MisterVeritis]

By creating a larger tax base.
It is not good. It is a poor tool under the best of circumstances.

[Bethere]

Maybe it was Kristol's support for the welfare state. Although there was far less of it when he lived. And I oppose the welfare state as a Federal function. For Timelord Marxism and neoconservatism may be the same thing. There is probably some overlap. There always is.

Or maybe he was just confused.

[Chris]

By creating a larger tax base.

American consumers will pay the tariffs.

[Peter1469]

It is not good. It is a poor tool under the best of circumstances.

Fair trade is the best option.

[Peter1469]

American consumers will pay the tariffs.

And Americans will have good paying jobs so they have the option of buying American if they wish.

[Chris]

Maybe it was Kristol's support for the welfare state. Although there was far less of it when he lived. And I oppose the welfare state as a Federal function. For Timelord Marxism and neoconservatism may be the same thing. There is probably some overlap. There always is.

Irvin Kristof, like many neoconservative, was an ex-communist. His book, Two Cheers for Capitalism, says he was hardly a Marxist.

[MisterVeritis]

Or maybe he was just confused.
That is the more likely reason.

[MisterVeritis]

Irvin Kristof, like many neoconservative, was an ex-communist. His book, Two Cheers for Capitalism, says he was hardly a Marxist.
I have not read it.

[MisterVeritis]

Fair trade is the best option.
It is not a term I know well enough to discuss. It sounds reasonable.

[Peter1469]

It is not a term I know well enough to discuss. It sounds reasonable.

It means you enter into trade deals that are good for both sides.

[Chris]

And Americans will have good paying jobs so they have the option of buying American if they wish.

No, while such crony capitalism will allow a few privileged companies raise prices uncompetitive, that doesn't mean they will create new products or new jobs. Consumers will have less to save and invest in new products, new companies, new jobs of their own free choosing. Keep in mind that most of the tariffs will be on imports that serve as inputs to production of many products thus hurting companies as consumers as well as end-product consumers.

[Chris]

I have not read it.

It's hardly the book of a Marxist, lol.

[MisterVeritis]

It means you enter into trade deals that are good for both sides.
LOL. One can never tell. Fair Tax, for example, is far more complicated...

[MisterVeritis]

It's hardly the book of a Marxist, lol.
I don't know. Radical Karl wrote Capital, after all. And it was all about his views of capital.

[TimeLord962]

Right. Which words? Tariffs? Protectionism? Some other words?

I believe you have gone, or are going, off the deep end.

I oppose open borders. So does Trump.
I do not know what internationalism means to you. Explain it and let's see if I have an opinion.

Outsourcing is a legitimate business practice. The federal government has no role to play in punishing it. But the federal government does have a role to play in improving the business climate here by simplifying the tax laws, reducing tax rates, and slashing regulations.

Was Marx for outsourcing? I do not recall reading about it. But it was unlikely to occur while he lived.

Open borders is the free exchange of labor IE outsourcing and you support it, outsourcing is not a legitimate business practice it is a way for companies to use the slave labor of totalitarian regimes instead of domestic labor so they can save a buck. You support enriching Red China while the American working class suffers a slow death, disgusting.

[TimeLord962]

So, you are saying that Irving Kristol was a Marxist?

wow.

I didn't say it, he freely admitted that he was a Marxist and a Trotskyist.

[TimeLord962]

The "invisible hand" always works. It must. It matters not at all that you may be unhappy with its ongoing results.

It works if the markets are all free but when you are engaged in global trade with Red China then how is the American worker supposed to compete with slave labor, the deck is already stacked.

[MisterVeritis]

I oppose open borders. So does Trump.
I do not know what internationalism means to you. Explain it and let's see if I have an opinion.

Outsourcing is a legitimate business practice. The federal government has no role to play in punishing it. But the federal government does have a role to play in improving the business climate here by simplifying the tax laws, reducing tax rates, and slashing regulations.

Was Marx for outsourcing? I do not recall reading about it. But it was unlikely to occur while he lived.

Open borders is the free exchange of labor IE outsourcing and you support it,
I have consistently opposed open borders. When our borders remain open we lose our country, our culture and more rapidly lose our language. You have been here long enough to be familiar with my position on open borders.


outsourcing is not a legitimate business practice
Really? According to whom? Of course, it is.


it is a way for companies to use the slave labor of totalitarian regimes
In your opinion is every other country totalitarian? Do all other countries employ slave labor?


instead of domestic labor so they can save a buck.
What is the purpose of a company?


You support enriching Red China while the American working class suffers a slow death, disgusting.
This just makes me smile.

Substantially improving our business climate is a far better long-term solution to our employment problems. Above, you mentioned totalitarian regimes. Would such a regime punish the owners of a private business if the regime didn't like what the company was doing? Isn't that what you are begging for? You want the iron fist of government, concealed in a velvet glove.

We have many wannabe totalitarians who post here. Welcome!

[TimeLord962]

Maybe it was Kristol's support for the welfare state. Although there was far less of it when he lived. And I oppose the welfare state as a Federal function. For Timelord Marxism and neoconservatism may be the same thing. There is probably some overlap. There always is.

No it was Kristols admitted support for Marx and Trotsky.


From Memoirs of a Trotskyist by Irving Kristol

I was graduated from City College in the spring of 194O, and the honor I most prized was the fact that I was a member in good standing of the Young People's Socialist League (Fourth International). This organization was commonly; and correctly, designated as Trotskyist (not "Trotskiyite," which was a term used only by the official Communists, or "Stalinists" as we called them, of the day). I have not set foot on the City College campus since my commencement. The present president of the college, Robert Marshak, has amiably urged me to come and see the place again – it is very different but still recognizable, he says. I have promised to go, but somehow I think I may never find the time.

http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintellectuals_krystol_2.html

[MisterVeritis]

It works if the markets are all free but when you are engaged in global trade with Red China then how is the American worker supposed to compete with slave labor, the deck is already stacked.
When you may do what is best for you and I do what is best for me the "invisible hand" works as it always does. The more portions that are centrally controlled the more misallocations will occur. But that is not our problem.

[TimeLord962]

I oppose open borders. So does Trump.
I do not know what internationalism means to you. Explain it and let's see if I have an opinion.

Outsourcing is a legitimate business practice. The federal government has no role to play in punishing it. But the federal government does have a role to play in improving the business climate here by simplifying the tax laws, reducing tax rates, and slashing regulations.

Was Marx for outsourcing? I do not recall reading about it. But it was unlikely to occur while he lived.

I have consistently opposed open borders. When our borders remain open we lose our country, our culture and more rapidly lose our language. You have been here long enough to be familiar with my position on open borders.


There is absolutely no difference between importing cheap Mexican labor and simply exporting manufacturing plants to Mexico, the result for the American worker is the same.


Really? According to whom? Of course, it is.

Then you support open borders.



In your opinion is every other country totalitarian? Do all other countries employ slave labor?

China certainly is.



What is the purpose of a company?

To make a profit but not through the use of slave labor, you can't support laize faire economics and support outsourcing jobs to a communist dictatorship.



This just makes me smile.

Substantially improving our business climate is a far better long-term solution to our employment problems. Above, you mentioned totalitarian regimes. Would such a regime punish the owners of a private business if the regime didn't like what the company was doing? Isn't that what you are begging for? You want the iron fist of government, concealed in a velvet glove.

We have many wannabe totalitarians who post here. Welcome!

Oh fucking spare me, even under Bush they were still exporting labor, hell it started with Reagan, no matter how good the business environment is in the states it can't compete with Mexican and Chinese slave labor.

[TimeLord962]

When you may do what is best for you and I do what is best for me the "invisible hand" works as it always does. The more portions that are centrally controlled the more misallocations will occur. But that is not our problem.

Ya you support a free market and the use of slave labor, touche.

[MisterVeritis]

No it was Kristols admitted support for Marx and Trotsky.


From Memoirs of a Trotskyist by Irving Kristol

I was graduated from City College in the spring of 194O, and the honor I most prized was the fact that I was a member in good standing of the Young People's Socialist League (Fourth International). This organization was commonly; and correctly, designated as Trotskyist (not "Trotskiyite," which was a term used only by the official Communists, or "Stalinists" as we called them, of the day). I have not set foot on the City College campus since my commencement. The present president of the college, Robert Marshak, has amiably urged me to come and see the place again – it is very different but still recognizable, he says. I have promised to go, but somehow I think I may never find the time.

http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintellectuals_krystol_2.html
More importantly:
Is it then perhaps my radical past, now so firmly disowned, that bothers me and makes CCNY unhallowed ground? I think not. I have no regret about that episode in my life. Joining a radical movement when one is young is very much like falling in love when one is young. The girl may turn out to be rotten, but the experience of love is so valuable it can never be entirely undone by the ultimate disenchantment.

[MisterVeritis]

When you may do what is best for you and I do what is best for me the "invisible hand" works as it always does. The more portions that are centrally controlled the more misallocations will occur. But that is not our problem.

Ya you support a free market and the use of slave labor, touche.
Where do you see "free market" or "slave labor"?

Have you always had this much difficulty reading?

[Chris]

I don't know. Radical Karl wrote Capital, after all. And it was all about his views of capital.

Against capitalism. Kristol cheered it on in youthful exuberance.

[MisterVeritis]

When our borders remain open we lose our country, our culture and more rapidly lose our language. You have been here long enough to be familiar with my position on open borders.

There is absolutely no difference between importing cheap Mexican labor and simply exporting manufacturing plants to Mexico, the result for the American worker is the same.
There is a great deal of difference. I am surprised, however, that you are not aware of the differences.

[MisterVeritis]

Against capitalism. Kristol cheered it on in youthful exuberance.
In volume I Karl spent most of that difficult, ponderous, boring book, explaining what he meant.

[MisterVeritis]

In your opinion is every other country totalitarian? Do all other countries employ slave labor?

China certainly is.
Do you believe China is the only place we outsource to?

What about the Philippines? South Korea? India? Mexico? Do they all employ slave labor?

[MisterVeritis]

What is the purpose of a company?


To make a profit
So far so good...


but not through the use of slave labor, you can't support laize faire economics and support outsourcing jobs to a communist dictatorship.
This is a bit tiresome. You may complain all you want. The companies are doing what they must to profit.
Improving the business climate is the solution to our problems. We do not create governments to punish companies. That is totalitarian. I will oppose it.

[MisterVeritis]

This just makes me smile.

Substantially improving our business climate is a far better long-term solution to our employment problems. Above, you mentioned totalitarian regimes. Would such a regime punish the owners of a private business if the regime didn't like what the company was doing? Isn't that what you are begging for? You want the iron fist of government, concealed in a velvet glove.

We have many wannabe totalitarians who post here. Welcome!

Oh fucking spare me, even under Bush they were still exporting labor, hell it started with Reagan, no matter how good the business environment is in the states it can't compete with Mexican and Chinese slave labor.
Therefore what?

I have learned that you are a totalitarian, with a penchant for Marxian language and phrases. You are less interested in creating a climate where businesses can grow and thrive than you are in punishing citizens and private businesses.

Businesses should outsource when it makes sense for them to do so.

[exotix]

*update*

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-threatens-u-s-companies-latest-twitter-diatribe-n691716


Trump Threatens U.S. Companies in Latest Twitter Diatribe




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[MisterVeritis]

*update*
Trump Threatens U.S. Companies in Latest Twitter Diatribe


In my opinion, this is positioning.

[exotix]

In my opinion, this is positioning.The GOP needs to pass a bill abolishing Inauguration Day so they can make Trumpf prez now ... LOL

[Cigar]

This is rich, coming from a guy who won't rent to Black People and Stiffs Contractors and Scams Students.

But that's ok, Trump Supporters will forgive and forget that, that Emails is a bridge too far. :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

This is rich, coming from a guy who won't rent to Black People and Stiffs Contractors and Scams Students.

But that's ok, Trump Supporters will forgive and forget that, that Emails is a bridge too far. :laugh:

Are you capable of forming a coherent sentence even once?

[TimeLord962]

*update*

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-threatens-u-s-companies-latest-twitter-diatribe-n691716


Trump Threatens U.S. Companies in Latest Twitter Diatribe




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Great news, US companies should not be allowed to fuck over the American working class on the back of foreign slave labor and expect a free ride to sell their goods back to us.

[MisterVeritis]

Great news, US companies should not be allowed to fuck over the American working class on the back of foreign slave labor and expect a free ride to sell their goods back to us.
I predict there will be no punitive tariffs.

[TimeLord962]

This just makes me smile.

Substantially improving our business climate is a far better long-term solution to our employment problems. Above, you mentioned totalitarian regimes. Would such a regime punish the owners of a private business if the regime didn't like what the company was doing? Isn't that what you are begging for? You want the iron fist of government, concealed in a velvet glove.

We have many wannabe totalitarians who post here. Welcome!

Therefore what?

I have learned that you are a totalitarian, with a penchant for Marxian language and phrases. You are less interested in creating a climate where businesses can grow and thrive than you are in punishing citizens and private businesses.

Businesses should outsource when it makes sense for them to do so.

Again you are the one reading out of the Trotskyist neocon internationalist open border playbook written by the Marxist Irving Kristol. US companies are going to be offered the carrot of lower taxes and less regulations but if they reject the carrot and still continue to fuck over the American working class in favor of foreign slave labor in Communist state controlled markets then they will get the stick.

[Chris]

Great news, US companies should not be allowed to fuck over the American working class on the back of foreign slave labor and expect a free ride to sell their goods back to us.

Nice Marxist analysis. So much exploitation!

[MisterVeritis]

Again you are the one reading out of the Trotskyist neocon internationalist open border playbook written by the Marxist Irving Kristol. US companies are going to be offered the carrot of lower taxes and less regulations but if they reject the carrot and still continue to fuck over the American working class in favor of foreign slave labor in Communist state controlled markets then they will get the stick.
Kook Alert.

[MisterVeritis]

Nice Marxist analysis. So much exploitation!
I tried to tell him. Radical Karl's pull is too much for some to fight. Timelord went along willingly.

[TimeLord962]

When you may do what is best for you and I do what is best for me the "invisible hand" works as it always does. The more portions that are centrally controlled the more misallocations will occur. But that is not our problem.

Where do you see "free market" or "slave labor"?

Have you always had this much difficulty reading?

You support outsourcing US jobs to foreign slave labor under totalitarian regimes and in the same breath claim to support a free market you are a hypocrite of the highest order.

[Chris]

Again you are the one reading out of the Trotskyist neocon internationalist open border playbook written by the Marxist Irving Kristol. US companies are going to be offered the carrot of lower taxes and less regulations but if they reject the carrot and still continue to fuck over the American working class in favor of foreign slave labor in Communist state controlled markets then they will get the stick.


If that's a general policy, lower taxes and less regulation, then it's not controlled by the government or the companies as anyone can take advantage of it, use it to remain in the US and keep jobs here, use the savings to invest in new products and new jobs. All good, provided it's a general policy.

[TimeLord962]

When our borders remain open we lose our country, our culture and more rapidly lose our language. You have been here long enough to be familiar with my position on open borders.

There is a great deal of difference. I am surprised, however, that you are not aware of the differences.

There is no difference in the result for the American working class, none at all.

[MisterVeritis]

You support outsourcing US jobs to foreign slave labor under totalitarian regimes and in the same breath claim to support a free market you are a hypocrite of the highest order.
I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

[TimeLord962]

In your opinion is every other country totalitarian? Do all other countries employ slave labor?

Do you believe China is the only place we outsource to?

What about the Philippines? South Korea? India? Mexico? Do they all employ slave labor?

They employ cheap labor under horrid working conditions with the exception of South Korea.

[MisterVeritis]

There is no difference in the result for the American working class, none at all.
Only you can step away from your radicalism. I cannot help you.

[Chris]

This is rich, coming from a guy who won't rent to Black People and Stiffs Contractors and Scams Students.

But that's ok, Trump Supporters will forgive and forget that, that Emails is a bridge too far. :laugh:



If he, as the government, is picking winners and losers it's nothing but unjust corruption. We'll have to wait and see how he plays it.

[TimeLord962]

What is the purpose of a company?

So far so good...


This is a bit tiresome. You may complain all you want. The companies are doing what they must to profit.
Improving the business climate is the solution to our problems. We do not create governments to punish companies. That is totalitarian. I will oppose it.

Again the business climate was just fine under Bush and Reagan, they still preferred using foreign slave labor so spare me your BS.

[MisterVeritis]

In your opinion is every other country totalitarian? Do all other countries employ slave labor?

Do you believe China is the only place we outsource to?

What about the Philippines? South Korea? India? Mexico? Do they all employ slave labor?

They employ cheap labor under horrid working conditions with the exception of South Korea.
Kook Alert. Usual suspect.

[MisterVeritis]

Again the business climate was just fine under Bush and Reagan, they still preferred using foreign slave labor so spare me your BS.
I suspect you are going to remain goofy, angry, and unsuccessful. You have problems no one can help you resolve.

[TimeLord962]

Only you can step away from your radicalism. I cannot help you.

Yes supporting made in America is radical and supporting outsourcing American jobs to red China is conservative, so goes the newspeak of the Trotskyist neocon globalists.

[TimeLord962]

In your opinion is every other country totalitarian? Do all other countries employ slave labor?

Do you believe China is the only place we outsource to?

What about the Philippines? South Korea? India? Mexico? Do they all employ slave labor?

Kook Alert. Usual suspect.

Oh you're right, labor rights in Mexico, the Phillipines, and India are just stellar. Tell us another one.

[TimeLord962]

I suspect you are going to remain goofy, angry, and unsuccessful. You have problems no one can help you resolve.

This is not a valid rebuttal to my point which demonstrates that your assertion regarding better business climates being the whole answer is utter BS proven by historical examples.

[MisterVeritis]

Only you can step away from your radicalism. I cannot help you.

Yes supporting made in America is radical and supporting outsourcing American jobs to red China is conservative, so goes the newspeak of the Trotskyist neocon globalists.
You can try to make your radicalism more attractive but the effort will fail. It always does.

This has been fruitful for me. You have come out of the totalitarian closet.

[TimeLord962]

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

You support slave labor, and state run markets.

[MisterVeritis]

This is not a valid rebuttal to my point which demonstrates that your assertion regarding better business climates being the whole answer is utter BS proven by historical examples.
I cannot help you. No one can. Those who are not kooks will be able to see the improvements a better business climate allows. Those like you, filled with Marxian rage and self-righteousness will not. That is tough for you.

[MisterVeritis]

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

You support slave labor, and state run markets.
I just shake my head.

[MisterVeritis]

Oh you're right, labor rights in Mexico, the Phillipines, and India are just stellar. Tell us another one.
More Marxism?

[TimeLord962]

I cannot help you. No one can. Those who are not kooks will be able to see the improvements a better business climate allows. Those like you, filled with Marxian rage and self-righteousness will not. That is tough for you.

So you are asserting that we did not have a good environment for business under Reagan and GWB?

[TimeLord962]

More Marxism?

Yes on planet cuckoo land not supporting slave labor equals Marxism.

[MisterVeritis]

So you are asserting that we did not have a good environment for business under Reagan and GWB?
I knew right away you were not very good at this.

[TimeLord962]

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

I just shake my head.

You claim to support individual liberty while in the same breath supporting outsourcing US jobs to slave labor under red China, you are a hypocrite.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes on planet cuckoo land not supporting slave labor equals Marxism.
Your texts are steeped in Marxian language. How long have you been a Marxist? My guess is you are new at it. The newly converted feel the frequent need to use the Marxist language, updated for time and place.

[TimeLord962]

I knew right away you were not very good at this.

Lol, yet another non-response to the point raised. Tell us all again how supporting made in America is Marxism and being for outsourcing US jobs to red China is conservatism.

[TimeLord962]

Your texts are steeped in Marxian language. How long have you been a Marxist? My guess is you are new at it. The newly converted feel the frequent need to use the Marxist language, updated for time and place.

Im not the one supporting open borders and internationalism.

[MisterVeritis]

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

I just shake my head.

You claim to support individual liberty while in the same breath supporting outsourcing US jobs to slave labor under red China, you are a hypocrite.
You said that. Do you have anything else in your arsenal?

[TimeLord962]

Only you can step away from your radicalism. I cannot help you.

You can try to make your radicalism more attractive but the effort will fail. It always does.

This has been fruitful for me. You have come out of the totalitarian closet.

Yes you see the newspeak of the globalist internationalists reading from Kristols Trotskyist play book to a T. Red China = Conservatism and Made in America = Marxism.

[MisterVeritis]

Im not the one supporting open borders and internationalism.
But you are a totalitarian. You do want the government to punish businesses. Are you making an effort to add liar to your list of accomplishments?

[TimeLord962]

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

I just shake my head.

You said that. Do you have anything else in your arsenal?

Do you not support outsourcing US jobs to Red China?

[MisterVeritis]

Yes you see the newspeak of the globalist internationalists reading from Kristols Trotskyist play book to a T. Red China = Conservatism and Made in America = Marxism.
You are a deep ender.

[MisterVeritis]

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

Do you not support outsourcing US jobs to Red China?
I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

[TimeLord962]

But you are a totalitarian. You do want the government to punish businesses. Are you making an effort to add liar to your list of accomplishments?

I want the state to punish companies who enrich communist regimes on the back of slave labor to make a buck while simultaneously screwing over the American working class, you support enriching red China, state run markets, and the use of foreign slave labor with whom the American working man can not possibly compete.

[MisterVeritis]

I want the state to punish companies who enrich communist regimes on the back of slave labor to make a buck while simultaneously screwing over the American working class, you support enriching red China, state run markets, and the use of foreign slave labor with whom the American working man can not possibly compete.
Yes. We have established that you are a totalitarian. We have established that you use Marxian language (constantly). We can add that you like run-on sentences. It does not help your case when your sentence makes no sense.

[TimeLord962]

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

I support individual liberty. You might consider it sometime.

The individual liberty to use foreign slave labor is a contradiction in terms.

[TimeLord962]

Yes. We have established that you are a totalitarian. We have established that you use Marxian language (constantly). We can add that you like run-on sentences. It does not help your case when your sentence makes no sense.

Yes I get it supporting Made in America is Marxism and using Red Chinese slave labor is conservative. You sure got me there