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stjames1_53
12-11-2016, 12:37 PM
New Evidence: Obamacare Is Not Saving Lives
Robert Book (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/people/robertbook/)

Proponents of the health reform law that became known as the Affordable Care Act (ACA) often argued that thousands of Americans were dying every year because of a lack of health insurance, and passing the proposed law would save thousands of lives every year. Opponents disputed those claims, and suggested that the law would not save lives, and would instead make people worse off and might even cost lives.
Now, new data shows that a U.S. life expectancy dropped in 2015 (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db267.htm) – a year after the major provisions of the ACA went into effect – and for the first time since 1993, when the drop was attributed to the AIDS epidemic, a flu outbreak, and an spike in homicide rates (http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/12/08/504667607/life-expectancy-in-u-s-drops-for-first-time-in-decades-report-finds). While the relationship between health insurance and mortality might still be debated – and it is certainly too early to say that the ACA is as bad as the AIDS epidemic – one thing is clear: There is no evidence that the ACA is, on net, saving lives.
In 2009, during the run-up to the passage of a health care reform bill, Rep. Bill Pascrell (N-NJ) claimed on the House Floor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZH0O1LJdcE) that “as many as 22,000 Americans die each year because they don’t have health insurance.” A few months later, prior to the Senate vote on what became the Affordable Care Act (ACA), then-Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) upped the ante, claiming that (https://democrats.senate.gov/2009/12/21/reid-health-reform-is-about-people-not-politics), “45,000 times this year – nearly 900 times every week, more than 120 times a day, on average every 10 minutes, without end – an American died as a direct result of not having health insurance.”
Both of these claims were based on academic or think-tank studies, which had previously been called into question on methodological grounds by Richard Kronick, then an academic and former Clinton-administration official, who was serving in the Obama administration as a deputy assistant secretary of HHS at the time the ACA was passed. Kronick re-analyzed existing data and found that (http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20160225/NEWS/160229934)when controlling for initial health status, smoking status, and body mass index, there was no difference in mortality (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739025/pdf/hesr0044-1211.pdf) between those with employer-sponsored health insurance and those who were uninsured. This conclusion is buttressed by the finding, that expanding Medicaid to uninsured, low-income, non-elderly adults does not improve basic clinical measures of health status (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1212321).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/12/11/new-evidence-obamacare-is-not-saving-lives/#5431c1622511

this miracle cure for death isn't working out so well.....it doesn't work for those who need it.
69 bucks a month for insurance isn't insurance. It is a drain on the pocket book.
Let's do the math.....1 million people are paying $69/mo. for premiums. The actual cost s somewhere around 400-500/mo. That means the taxpayer is paying $431 for each policy the government sells (forces) totally a cost of $431,000,000. IF there are more than 30,000,000 people getting this cheap plan, the taxpayer is on the grab for several billion dollars a year.........but hey...........what's a bunch of dollars between government officials.......

Cigar
12-11-2016, 12:49 PM
THEN DON'T SIGN-UP FOR OBAMACARE :tongue:

stjames1_53
12-11-2016, 12:52 PM
I didn't and wont' It won't be around much longer anyway......................it was sold on a lie, and pushed as a lie.
"If you like...."......ring a bell?

Cigar
12-11-2016, 12:56 PM
I didn't and wont' It won't be around much longer anyway......................it was sold on a lie, and pushed as a lie.
"If you like...."......ring a bell?
:grin: Still Hurts I See ...

stjames1_53
12-11-2016, 01:02 PM
:grin: Still Hurts I See ...
aca didn't help a damned soul...............almost 4 billion dollars in debt, and it still hasn't saved one life

Common
12-11-2016, 01:37 PM
The ACA reduced the quality of care across the board, that included nursing home care. Its common sense when you" REDUCE THE QUALITY OF CARE" greatly reduce the payments more people die and stay sick.
Drs have had their fees so far reduced that specialists have to over book and they suddenly get up and say see you next visit.

This is the important part. Specialists if you had no current problems saw you on a 6 mth cycle. Now they all give 3 mth appts and if they order tests 1 month cycles. The ACA didnt save a nickle.

The left clings to it because to not to demonstrates the gross failure of the democrats and Obama.
The aca is a failure no one can spin it any other way and its going to get revamped big time it has to.

I was for it willing to give it a chance because I am for all americans having healthcare. I gave it a chance and it has blownup.

Cigar
12-11-2016, 02:00 PM
Now we see how Fake News get propagated by people who have never even had first hand experience with The ACA

:laugh: Suckers

Common
12-11-2016, 02:15 PM
Another example of a nothing post by cigar, he is factless can produce no facts. He just insults, demeans and tries to detract from any thread whos content he doesnt like.

He is compelled to defend the ACA mightily though he doesnt know a damn thing about it because democrats and Obama did it. No matter what you do or say cigar the ACA is a failure and it will be mucho changed soon

stjames1_53
12-11-2016, 02:21 PM
Another example of a nothing post by cigar, he is factless can produce no facts. He just insults, demeans and tries to detract from any thread whos content he doesnt like.

He is compelled to defend the ACA mightily though he doesnt know a damn thing about it because democrats and Obama did it. No matter what you do or say cigar the ACA is a failure and it will be mucho changed soon

c'mon, now....he's scared he's going to lose his subsidy...........