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Captain Obvious
12-14-2016, 11:51 PM
...and the Russians want to influence the elections, if that's what they did, in order to assure Trump was elected over Rodham?

What's in it for them?

Peter1469
12-15-2016, 12:03 AM
They likely see Trump as a wild card- which is dangerous.

They see Hillary as an establishment stooge. She would be their safe bet overall (outside of the Syria issue).

Crepitus
12-15-2016, 12:03 AM
Look at his SOS pick. Look which banks loan him money. He has stated that he doesn't know Putin. He has also stated that he does. He praised Putin repeatedly during the campaign. Clinton did the opposite.

Putin is obviously looking to be aggressively expansionist and with a friend in the oval office he just eliminated the biggest obstacle to that. Don't forget that the US is the sole remaining superpower, with that on his side the sky is the limit. Don't you think that's reason enough?

Ethereal
12-15-2016, 12:15 AM
Look at his SOS pick. Look which banks loan him money. He has stated that he doesn't know Putin. He has also stated that he does. He praised Putin repeatedly during the campaign. Clinton did the opposite.

Putin is obviously looking to be aggressively expansionist and with a friend in the oval office he just eliminated the biggest obstacle to that. Don't forget that the US is the sole remaining superpower, with that on his side the sky is the limit. Don't you think that's reason enough?
So when Putin does not pursue a policy of aggressive expansionism, because he won't, will you admit that you were 100% wrong and that the media was just making things up like they always do?

Crepitus
12-15-2016, 12:20 AM
So when Putin does not pursue a policy of aggressive expansionism, because he won't, will you admit that you were 100% wrong and that the media was just making things up like they always do?

What makes you think he won't? Especially since he has already demonstrated that he is?

Peter1469
12-15-2016, 12:23 AM
Look at his SOS pick. Look which banks loan him money. He has stated that he doesn't know Putin. He has also stated that he does. He praised Putin repeatedly during the campaign. Clinton did the opposite.

Putin is obviously looking to be aggressively expansionist and with a friend in the oval office he just eliminated the biggest obstacle to that. Don't forget that the US is the sole remaining superpower, with that on his side the sky is the limit. Don't you think that's reason enough?

Bank loans at that level are not what most people think of a bank loan.

Loans for high value projects are backed by dozens of banks. Not one. And the banks tend to work with each other to get the funding rather than the company seeking the money.

Ethereal
12-15-2016, 12:26 AM
What makes you think he won't?

Because there is little to no evidence indicating that Russia intends to engage in expansionism, let alone aggressive expansionism.


Especially since he has already demonstrated that he is?

Only if you believe the lies coming out of the US government and the corporate media.

Captain Obvious
12-15-2016, 12:33 AM
Because there is little to no evidence indicating that Russia intends to engage in expansionism, let alone aggressive expansionism.



Only if you believe the lies coming out of the US government and the corporate media.

There is that whole Crimea thing though.

Ethereal
12-15-2016, 12:38 AM
There is that whole Crimea thing though.

What most people do not know about Crimea is that Russian armed forces were already in Crimea pursuant to a treaty that was ratified in the 1990's. It's kind of hard to invade a place you're already legally occupying.

Captain Obvious
12-15-2016, 12:40 AM
What most people do not know about Crimea is that Russian armed forces were already in Crimea pursuant to a treaty that was ratified in the 1990's. It's kind of hard to invade a place you're already legally occupying.

I thought they were rebels and not Russian troops.

At least that's what's been reported on paper.

Ethereal
12-15-2016, 12:44 AM
I thought they were rebels and not Russian troops.

At least that's what's been reported on paper.

That's in Donbass (eastern Ukraine), not Crimea.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Map_of_the_Donbass.png

And the rebels in Donbass are Ukrainians, not Russians. Granted, there are some Russian nationals involved in the east's rebellion, but nowhere near the extent that western governments and media have led people to believe.

Crepitus
12-15-2016, 07:37 AM
Because there is little to no evidence indicating that Russia intends to engage in expansionism, let alone aggressive expansionism.



Only if you believe the lies coming out of the US government and the corporate media.

So Crimea and Ukraine were just government propaganda?

MMC
12-15-2016, 07:54 AM
Look at his SOS pick. Look which banks loan him money. He has stated that he doesn't know Putin. He has also stated that he does. He praised Putin repeatedly during the campaign. Clinton did the opposite.

Putin is obviously looking to be aggressively expansionist and with a friend in the oval office he just eliminated the biggest obstacle to that. Don't forget that the US is the sole remaining superpower, with that on his side the sky is the limit. Don't you think that's reason enough?

Who stated they didn't know Putin?

Comey said, adding that it was just as likely that the hacking was done by people who had no direct connection to the Russian government.


“It’s also unclear,” the sources pointed out, “why Putin would have preferred dealing with Donald Trump, who has promised a major military buildup, over Hillary Clinton, who would have continued Barack Obama’s cautious policies toward the Kremlin.”.....snip~


http://townhall.com/columnists/edkle...ction-n2259827 (http://townhall.com/columnists/edklein/2016/12/14/comey-to-trump-the-russians-didnt-influence-the-election-n2259827)


Looks like the FBI just punched a few holes in your thinking process, with that crap about having a friend in the WH.

Common Sense
12-15-2016, 08:24 AM
...and the Russians want to influence the elections, if that's what they did, in order to assure Trump was elected over Rodham?

What's in it for them?

The lifting of the crippling sanctions imposed on them (which it looks like the proposed Secretary of State would be for).

Payback for supposed actions in the Ukraine.

The first one alone would be well worth it for them.

I honestly don't know how someone could have an opinion on this matter without knowing this.

Crepitus
12-15-2016, 08:37 AM
That's in Donbass (eastern Ukraine), not Crimea.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Map_of_the_Donbass.png

And the rebels in Donbass are Ukrainians, not Russians. Granted, there are some Russian nationals involved in the east's rebellion, but nowhere near the extent that western governments and media have led people to believe.

Why do you believe the Russian media but not ours?

resister
12-15-2016, 08:43 AM
Why do you believe the Russian media but not ours?
A better question, at this point, would be, why believe any state Media?

Crepitus
12-15-2016, 08:48 AM
A better question, at this point, would be, why believe any state Media?

The US doesn't have a state media. Russia does.

Dangermouse
12-15-2016, 08:48 AM
A better question, at this point, would be, why believe any state Media?

Such a Putinesque response. Believe enemy media is equivalent in truthiness to your own. Or even better....

del
12-15-2016, 09:26 AM
...and the Russians want to influence the elections, if that's what they did, in order to assure Trump was elected over Rodham?

What's in it for them?

trump's a boob who's in hock up to his eyebrows to the oligarchs.



So, yes, it’s true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
“The Trump-Russia links beneath the surface are even more extensive,” Max Boot wrote (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-boot-trump-russian-connection-20160725-snap-story.html) in the Los Angeles Times. “Trump has sought and received funding from Russian investors for his business ventures, especially after most American banks stopped lending to him following his multiple bankruptcies.”

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

i'll await the usual diversions and slagging of the sources.

MMC
12-15-2016, 09:34 AM
The lifting of the crippling sanctions imposed on them (which it looks like the proposed Secretary of State would be for).

Payback for supposed actions in the Ukraine.

The first one alone would be well worth it for them.

I honestly don't know how someone could have an opinion on this matter without knowing this.


That's funny.....We didn't hear you saying anything about Podesta and His brother helping Putin get around BO peeps sanctions. Nor did you come up with any excuses when the FBI decided to investigate Podesta.

Nor anything when Podesta was taking money from the Russians while being Hillary's Campaign Chairman. Of course your fondness for all things of the left just got in the way, huh?




Panama Papers: Clinton’s campaign chief has a Russian connection......


John Podesta’s company is representing Sberbank; the Podesta Group’s mandate is to affect the scope of sanctions against Russia.


Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta, is implicated in the Panama Papers scandal. His association with the Democratic Party goes back a long way. The so called “Panama Papers” scandal is now drawing attention to his lobbying firm’s relation to Russia.


Besides Hillary Clinton, the John and Tony Podesta Group signed up another client, namely the Sberbank of Russia in Washington. That was in March 2016.



Sberbank is officially a private company, which means the Podesta Group can sign them on as clients, despite the sanctions envisaged by the Foreign Agent Registration Act. However, the scope of their mandate seems very much associated with the interests of the Russian state.



The account manager for Sberbank was Tony Podesta, the brother of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager. Through this contract, Tony Podesta is linked directly with the Kremlin. Signing that contract in March, the Podesta group mission was to affect the scope of sanctions against Russia, following the annexation of Crimea and the war-by-proxy in the Donbass.



The lobbying registration form, according to the Washington Free Beacon, also lists three Sberbank affiliates, namely Cayman Islands-based Troika Dialog Group Limited, Cyprus-based SBGB Cyprus Limited, and Luxembourg-based SB International.



According to the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, one of these companies is part of the network that funneled money personally for President Putin. That company is Troika Dialog. The massive cache of documents leaked shows, for example, that Troika Dialog signed away its stakes in Russian truck manufacturing to Avto Holdings. The main stakeholder of Avto Holdings is Sergei Roldugin, the godfather of the Russian president’s daughter.


It should be recalled that John Podesta was also a Counselor to the Obama Administration, Chairman of the Obama-Biden Transition project and, years ago, Chief of Staff for the second Bill Clinton administration.John Podesta left the White House in 2015. He is mostly remembered for taking up the cause of revealing the truth about UFOs to the American people......snip~

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/pan...inked-kremlin/ (https://www.neweurope.eu/article/panama-papers-clintons-campaign-chief-linked-kremlin/)