Obama's Claims Missing some Evidence.....Fact Check!

[MMC]

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-obama-claims-miss-evidence-201911584.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Are President Barack Obama's ideas for job creation really bipartisan as he claims? Not when the means for paying for them are put in the equation.

The president dodged various facts and and left some evidence in the dust in his latest challenge to Republicans to get behind his jobs program or offer a real alternative.

OBAMA: "Every idea that we've put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike."

In claiming bipartisan support for the components of his proposal, the president appears to be referring just to what the plan would do, not how it's paid for, but that's a crucial distinction he doesn't make.

OBAMA: "We can either keep taxes exactly as they are for millionaires and billionaires, with loopholes that lead them to have lower tax rates, in some cases, than plumbers and teachers, or we can put teachers and construction workers and veterans back on the job."

THE FACTS: True, "in some cases" wealthy people can exploit loopholes to make their tax rate lower than for people of middle or low income. In recent rhetoric, Obama had suggested it was commonplace for rich people to pay lower rates than others, a claim not supported by IRS statistics. But on Thursday, Obama accurately stated that it only happens sometimes.....snip~

Hopefully some will keep these up front and center. Focusing on those parts which shows this President is not telling the truth to all that is there with his proposal. Moreover the creation of another Bank for government. This is where I am concerned that Conservatives will give in and go for it. Thinking it is another honey pot to get money from. :-\

Again he will keep focusing on he teachers and education. Which is his base. Playing them like a fiddle. Yet this is not the way to create mass jobs in this country. >:(

[Mister D]

Education is so screwed up in this country. We send waaay too many people to college.

[MMC]

Education is so screwed up in this country. We send waaay too many people to college.


Myself.....I don't see that as a problem.....what I do see as a problem is High School and Elementary School. There should be more focus on vocational type schooling, and studies that prepare one for Civil Service and or Military Service. Classes on economics and credit, checking, and savings. Classes on organizational skills. Health for oneself other than nutritional. Male physiology to males and the same for females.
Also physical excercise and gym every day.

[Mister D]

Education is so screwed up in this country. We send waaay too many people to college.


Myself.....I don't see that as a problem.....what I do see as a problem is High School and Elementary School. There should be more focus on vocational type schooling, and studies that prepare one for Civil Service and or Military Service. Classes on economics and credit, checking, and savings. Classes on organizational skills. Health for oneself other than nutritional. Male physiology to males and the same for females.
Also physical excercise and gym every day.


But we're saying the same thing. Right, there should be more vocational training etc. I agree 100%. Not everyone needs to go to college. For what? A liberal (not that kind of liberal! >:() education is one of the most important things in my life but you can get it much cheaper on your own.

[MMC]

Education is so screwed up in this country. We send waaay too many people to college.


Myself.....I don't see that as a problem.....what I do see as a problem is High School and Elementary School. There should be more focus on vocational type schooling, and studies that prepare one for Civil Service and or Military Service. Classes on economics and credit, checking, and savings. Classes on organizational skills. Health for oneself other than nutritional. Male physiology to males and the same for females.
Also physical excercise and gym every day.


But we're saying the same thing. Right, there should be more vocational training etc. I agree 100%. Not everyone needs to go to college. For what? A liberal (not that kind of liberal! >:() education is one of the most important things in my life but you can get it much cheaper on your own.


Yeah I agree with that.....especially if you really want the knowledge. Do you think there should be more Specified schools like Law, and the medical professions. Wherein that is all they teach. Nothing else. Like for other areas of Education.

[Mister D]

Education is so screwed up in this country. We send waaay too many people to college.


Myself.....I don't see that as a problem.....what I do see as a problem is High School and Elementary School. There should be more focus on vocational type schooling, and studies that prepare one for Civil Service and or Military Service. Classes on economics and credit, checking, and savings. Classes on organizational skills. Health for oneself other than nutritional. Male physiology to males and the same for females.
Also physical excercise and gym every day.


But we're saying the same thing. Right, there should be more vocational training etc. I agree 100%. Not everyone needs to go to college. For what? A liberal (not that kind of liberal! >:() education is one of the most important things in my life but you can get it much cheaper on your own.


Yeah I agree with that.....especially if you really want the knowledge. Do you think there should be more Specified schools like Law, and the medical professions. Wherein that is all they teach. Nothing else. Like for other areas of Education.


There are probably enough of those now I'd imagine.

[MMC]

Education is so screwed up in this country. We send waaay too many people to college.


Myself.....I don't see that as a problem.....what I do see as a problem is High School and Elementary School. There should be more focus on vocational type schooling, and studies that prepare one for Civil Service and or Military Service. Classes on economics and credit, checking, and savings. Classes on organizational skills. Health for oneself other than nutritional. Male physiology to males and the same for females.
Also physical excercise and gym every day.


But we're saying the same thing. Right, there should be more vocational training etc. I agree 100%. Not everyone needs to go to college. For what? A liberal (not that kind of liberal! >:() education is one of the most important things in my life but you can get it much cheaper on your own.


Yeah I agree with that.....especially if you really want the knowledge. Do you think there should be more Specified schools like Law, and the medical professions. Wherein that is all they teach. Nothing else. Like for other areas of Education.


There are probably enough of those now I'd imagine.


Well some lead to jobs others don't..... and then there is the game of creditation from the schools.

[Conley]

There are already way too many law schools. And I'm not saying that because I think lawyers are scum. A lot of these schools collect hundreds of thousands in tuition but the graduates can't find work. There are tons of unemployed recent law school grads. So private schools sure but no government money or grants going toward any of that please.

[MMC]

There are already way too many law schools. And I'm not saying that because I think lawyers are scum. A lot of these schools collect hundreds of thousands in tuition but the graduates can't find work. There are tons of unemployed recent law school grads. So private schools sure but no government money or grants going toward any of that please.


Especially not with those from other countries. Our Citizens must come first. What don't they get about that? One thing get me about the med profession. These guys from around the world go down to the Carribean and they get a license to practice medicine. Which for them is like 2 to 3 yrs there. While Up here it way more. Then they come into the US on Workers Visas and at times go to work for the government.

[Conley]

There are already way too many law schools. And I'm not saying that because I think lawyers are scum. A lot of these schools collect hundreds of thousands in tuition but the graduates can't find work. There are tons of unemployed recent law school grads. So private schools sure but no government money or grants going toward any of that please.


Especially not with those from other countries. Our Citizens must come first. What don't they get about that? One thing get me about the med profession. These guys from around the world go down to the Carribean and they get a license to practice medicine. Which for them is like 2 to 3 yrs there. While Up here it way more. Then they come into the US on Workers Visas and at times go to work for the government.


Yeah, I can only assume that they do that to save some bucks. It definitely leads to worse medical care.

[MMC]

There are already way too many law schools. And I'm not saying that because I think lawyers are scum. A lot of these schools collect hundreds of thousands in tuition but the graduates can't find work. There are tons of unemployed recent law school grads. So private schools sure but no government money or grants going toward any of that please.


Especially not with those from other countries. Our Citizens must come first. What don't they get about that? One thing get me about the med profession. These guys from around the world go down to the Carribean and they get a license to practice medicine. Which for them is like 2 to 3 yrs there. While Up here it way more. Then they come into the US on Workers Visas and at times go to work for the government.


Yeah, I can only assume that they do that to save some bucks. It definitely leads to worse medical care.


My point is that the Fed knows this.....yet they take them on. Knowing the level of care is not going to be as sufficient. Allowing them to come in on Exchanges and student visas. Then they are slapped down in some Urban City where the population is in 6 digits.

[wingrider]

when I was a young man going to a local college here in Colorado, my major was business administration, with a minor in accounting.. this helped me tremendously when I started my own Electrical Contrating business.

but at the same time there was offered in the college a building trades course that actually taught people how to build a house from the ground up, archectural design, foundation ,structure, framing, plumbing electrical, roofing , drywall etc.

this is what we need more of, Not everyone is cut out to be a Dr, lawer or computer geek, someone has to build the offices , homes , etc,. some of this could be done even at the highschool level with shop, mechanics, and or home ec classes . we have gotten so far away from these principles it is astounding.

[MMC]

Truly the truth needs to be put out there.....the problem is that there are so many out there now giving their own versions of the truth. That nobody knows what the truth is anymore.

First off lets get back to the idea on this concept that Congress, the President, and or politicans creating jobs. Not unless they own some company and start hiring. This is a lie the American people shoul take no more. Anytime a Pol says it he gets slapped down and shown the fact. Pols don't create jobs! (Exclamation Point) Obama continues to call out Republicans trying to focus more blame on them because once again the Repubs are against tax increases against a certain group of people.

Why because it sets a precedent to target specific groups of people. Which is not about the Availability of Equal oppourtunity for each and every citizen of the country. This is not what the Country was set with.....yet this is known by Liberals and Socialists. Worse is that is known by Liberal Elites and Socialists from all over the World. Whom are in contact with one another daily.

Obama says hiring Teachers and Construction workers will put this country right back on track. Yet never in the history of this Country did the the mass hiring of teachers ever stimulate this country. At least not job wise nor financially. Shovel ready projects. Puuuleeeeze, enough with the pretty terminology that does not mean a damn thing. This is the 21st Century.....a different generation and time. One of technology and convienience. A society geared for speed, access, and comfortability. For efficency and the best methods to be incorporated to gain the maximum possible benefit out of anything and everything.

It can never go back to the way it was. Meaning from The WWII generation. Where one worked hard to get what one wanted. Building and making things by hand. Building things that would last. Building for the future remember? We have progressed to this bullshit Customer Service Driven Society. Jobs that are nothing and go nowheres. Living off Con-men.....legals ones. Such advertizers and advertizing. Salesmen, Pitchmen, Operators and or phone Customer Service. All designed to take the easy way out. Jobs that were never meant to last in the first place.

34% of this Country recieve some sort of check or handout from the government. This is not some sort of thing that they paid into. That is 1/3rd of the Country. People who do not want to work for themselves or even to be a productive part of society. With a small percentage that do not even want to live in a home and or building. Others who do not want to leave around people.

We have the next two generations coming up with no idea on how to prepare for when they get old. To even take care of themselves. It is a capitolistic society. Which means as it continues the more things will cost. From Food, Water, Basic Necessities, let alone anything that gives to ones comfortability. Which means everything and including the means for you to do whatever. Is going to cost you financially.

People are not taught to hunt, fish, grow food, cook it, and they are definately not taught about plants. The kind you can eat or for medical purposes. Not taught how to build a place over their own heads. Yet we are civilized! http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/rulez.gif

[jgreer]

I disagree with almost all of that.

The government can create jobs. Ever hear of the New Deal? The government can also destroy jobs, by driving the economy into a ditch. We've tried cutting the tax rates on millionaires and given bailouts to the big companies and what did that get us? Do you see more jobs? I sure don't. So we tried the Republican method and it failed.

Now as far as taxes go, explain this one to me. It's ok to take billions of dollars of tax money from the government to pay for Wall Street, bankers, and the other companies that were "too big to fail" but it is class warfare to "single them out" by making them pay the same amount they used to pay? Do you even realize what tax rates have been in this country for 99% of its history?

You are right that education is important - and I'm not talking about just college. So I have no problem investing in schools and teachers. Without skills there will be no qualified work force. Only Republicans would try to make the teachers the enemy and give multimillionaires a free pass.

[MMC]

I disagree with almost all of that.

The government can create jobs. Ever hear of the New Deal? The government can also destroy jobs, by driving the economy into a ditch. We've tried cutting the tax rates on millionaires and given bailouts to the big companies and what did that get us? Do you see more jobs? I sure don't. So we tried the Republican method and it failed.

Now as far as taxes go, explain this one to me. It's ok to take billions of dollars of tax money from the government to pay for Wall Street, bankers, and the other companies that were "too big to fail" but it is class warfare to "single them out" by making them pay the same amount they used to pay? Do you even realize what tax rates have been in this country for 99% of its history?

You are right that education is important - and I'm not talking about just college. So I have no problem investing in schools and teachers. Without skills there will be no qualified work force. Only Republicans would try to make the teachers the enemy and give multimillionaires a free pass.


The New Deal was a failure economically.....the only thing it did was show the World that the Free Democracy would not ever have it's people in food lines and poverty again. Which is why you do not see it today. Charities all over the place and a Church or religious building on almost every corner in every major City in this Country. Government Programs by the Fed, State, and City. At best during FDR's Tenure unemployment for the Nation was 17% and even after the New deal was inacted it went up to 22%.

Also the Only Presidents that created Jobs were Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt. Thats because it was Nationwide, from Coast to Coast. Both took an Act of Congress. Those same type of Infrastructure jobs will not come close to producing the effect they once did. Nonetheless.....such is the only way the government can create jobs. It is a joke to believe that by hiring more teachers that this will create more jobs. Obama panders only to his base the Unions. Hence the terminology Teachers and Construction Workers. Then lets play to the sheep with the Altruistic group that deserves such. Veterans!

I have no problem taxing Multi-Corporations and or large Corporations.....Teddy Roosevelt in my signature said it best and took a bullet in his chest just to get that message out. Like Washington and True Republicans.....Teddy didnt believe in the two party system either.

Only Democrats would forget that a REPUBLIC is a government by the people, of the people, for the people. Notice.....do you see Global Democracy anywheres in that definition?

[wingrider]

I disagree with almost all of that.

The government can create jobs. Ever hear of the New Deal? The government can also destroy jobs, by driving the economy into a ditch. We've tried cutting the tax rates on millionaires and given bailouts to the big companies and what did that get us? Do you see more jobs? I sure don't. So we tried the Republican method and it failed.

Now as far as taxes go, explain this one to me. It's ok to take billions of dollars of tax money from the government to pay for Wall Street, bankers, and the other companies that were "too big to fail" but it is class warfare to "single them out" by making them pay the same amount they used to pay? Do you even realize what tax rates have been in this country for 99% of its history?

You are right that education is important - and I'm not talking about just college. So I have no problem investing in schools and teachers. Without skills there will be no qualified work force. Only Republicans would try to make the teachers the enemy and give multimillionaires a free pass.


and I disagree with nearly everything you wrote. the only jobs that government can produce is more government, and guess who funds the government, us the taxpayers, when did government get the idea that our money that we earn on a daily basis belongs to them to distribute as they see fit? this redistribution of weath is pure socialist by its very nature.


My dad worked in the WPA during the thirties, he told me he made about 10 dollars a week , cutting trees in oregon, My father in law worked on WPA projects here in Colorado and made a dollar a day laying bricks, if that is an example of government jobs leave me out of the program.

as far as teachers go yes we need GOOD teachers, but judging from the test scores of students teachers are failing in their jobs, the bad part is we cannnot fire these failing teachers without going against the unions that support them. Whatever happened to Merit, you know the idea that if you do a good job and excell you get to keep your job, but if you are a failure at it you get fired and good luck on on your future endeavors..

as far as your speil on the tax, America has the Higest corporate tax rate in the world. it isn't the tax rate that needs to go up it is the loopholes that need to be closed, but before the government closes those loopholes they need to get their own house in order and quit spending revenue from future generations and spend only what they have coming in at the present time, to do anything else is a diservice to the Country and to the future generation of workers.
Your partisan bullshit of blaming just republicans for driving the economy in the ditch is pure garbage, No one party can do it but when republicans sold there souls and joined the progressive movement, it spelled the end of fiscal sanity.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Great post.

Maybe in the USSR the government made jobs because the government was all there was. Here in the good ol U S of A private business makes jobs. You don't get jobs by taxing people to death.

We need less government and less government jobs along with it. Look at the size of the federal government, it is has become an albatross, a monstrosity. Kill the beast. Those aren't even real jobs, just more waste of taxpayer money with nothing to show for it.

The Republicans need to shape up but they realize it and with movements like the Tea Party are well on their way. The Democrats on the other hand still don't get it and are prepared to spend this country into oblivion. The American people see what's up and there will be more Democrats out on their asses this next election cycle. You can count on that.

[MMC]

As the Articles states the POTUS never makes the distinction on how he will pay for his plan. Moreover the talk about the infrstructure banks has been reduced to a bare minimum. Which worries me.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Mr. Wonderful knows how he'll pay for it. With more taxes. Taxes that end up in the pockets of the unions.

Just Say No!

[MMC]

Mr. Wonderful knows how he'll pay for it. With more taxes. Taxes that end up in the pockets of the unions.

Just Say No!


That and right into the hands of the Dems Cookie jar.....erm I mean Campaign Coffers. ;)

[Elibe]

so would you rather the jobs go to unions or not have any jobs at all?

who do you think is the back bone of this country?

if it werent for unions thered be no minimum wage unsafe conditions and seven day work weeks

we have a lot to thank unions for

i bet most of you would like to be in one or have a relative who is

[wingrider]

so would you rather the jobs go to unions or not have any jobs at all?

who do you think is the back bone of this country?

if it werent for unions thered be no minimum wage unsafe conditions and seven day work weeks

we have a lot to thank unions for

i bet most of you would like to be in one or have a relative who is


considering that unions only represent about 10 percent of the workforce in America, and the other 90 percent are non union, I say to hell with the unions and put the other 90 percent back to work.. unless you think that only 10 percent of the workforce needs jobs?, why is it that democrats favor Unions so much? is it because Unions steal money from their workers and then give it to the Democrats?

[Conley]

so would you rather the jobs go to unions or not have any jobs at all?

who do you think is the back bone of this country?

if it werent for unions thered be no minimum wage unsafe conditions and seven day work weeks

we have a lot to thank unions for

i bet most of you would like to be in one or have a relative who is


considering that unions only represent about 10 percent of the workforce in America, and the other 90 percent are non union, I say to hell with the unions and put the other 90 percent back to work.. unless you think that only 10 percent of the workforce needs jobs?, why is it that democrats favor Unions so much? is it because Unions steal money from their workers and then give it to the Democrats?


Good stuff. It's actually even lower than that (I didn't know). Check this out:

According to the labor bureau, 7.2 percent of private-sector workers were union members last year, down from 7.6 percent the previous year. That, labor historians said, was the lowest percentage of private-sector workers in unions since 1900.

For the first time in American history, a majority of union members are government workers rather than private-sector employees, the Bureau of Labor Statistics announced on Friday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html

So by playing to the unions these fools are encouraging more Democratic contributions and bigger government. Neither one is good for the country.

[MMC]

so would you rather the jobs go to unions or not have any jobs at all?

who do you think is the back bone of this country?

if it werent for unions thered be no minimum wage unsafe conditions and seven day work weeks

we have a lot to thank unions for

i bet most of you would like to be in one or have a relative who is


considering that unions only represent about 10 percent of the workforce in America, and the other 90 percent are non union, I say to hell with the unions and put the other 90 percent back to work.. unless you think that only 10 percent of the workforce needs jobs?, why is it that democrats favor Unions so much? is it because Unions steal money from their workers and then give it to the Democrats?


Good stuff. It's actually even lower than that (I didn't know). Check this out:

According to the labor bureau, 7.2 percent of private-sector workers were union members last year, down from 7.6 percent the previous year. That, labor historians said, was the lowest percentage of private-sector workers in unions since 1900.

For the first time in American history, a majority of union members are government workers rather than private-sector employees, the Bureau of Labor Statistics announced on Friday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html

So by playing to the unions these fools are encouraging more Democratic contributions and bigger government. Neither one is good for the country.


Good catch there CL..... Unions are now made up of mostly government workers. Again the Dems playing always to the minority.