Building that wall.

[Croft]

I know Trump's only just started his presidency but I've got a hankerin' for a large wall.

Overall Trump needs to do 4 things. Build a wall. Deport 12 million illegals, End the Fed and thereby get the American people's money into their own hands. Withdraw funding for commissar campuses so that the brainwashing stops.

But I'm ready for the wall. Building the wall will be a great construction project up there with the 19th century continental railroad. They built great bridges and tunneled under mountains to build that and the wall can be a great challenge for the American worker today. I say get on it Mr President, get the tenders out to the construction companies and let the left start wailing.

[MMC]

Kelly is on the job, and says it will be done in 2 years.

[Cthulhu]

I know Trump's only just started his presidency but I've got a hankerin' for a large wall.

Overall Trump needs to do 4 things. Build a wall. Deport 12 million illegals, End the Fed and thereby get the American people's money into their own hands. Withdraw funding for commissar campuses so that the brainwashing stops.

But I'm ready for the wall. Building the wall will be a great construction project up there with the 19th century continental railroad. They built great bridges and tunneled under mountains to build that and the wall can be a great challenge for the American worker today. I say get on it Mr President, get the tenders out to the construction companies and let the left start wailing.
Security contractors are going to do well. As are construction crews.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[Common Sense]

Security contractors are going to do well. As are construction crews.

Fear profits a man nothing.
It seems fear can profit a man something...

[MisterVeritis]

Security contractors are going to do well. As are construction crews.

This is a very large systems integration problem. One or more of the large defense contractors will be the prime.

The request for Proposal will come in March or April. The proposal will be due in April or May. A government decision will come in June or July. Designs will be due in August or September. Construction will begin in September or October. Government acceptance will occur sector by sector.

[Croft]

This is a very large systems integration problem. One or more of the large defense contractors will be the prime.

The request for Proposal will come in March or April. The proposal will be due in April or May. A government decision will come in June or July. Designs will be due in August or September. Construction will begin in September or October. Government acceptance will occur sector by sector.
That's great. I can't wait to see the designs. We're told all the time how impossible it is but America put a man on the moon. I'm sure it can build a wall, a spectacular wall.

Also when people are deported they should be barred from ever entering the US again. Barred from vacationing, studying or anything. So if they arrive at a seaport or airport or a road through the wall they are automatically denied entry, for life. If they want back in they'll have to try and climb the wall.

[MisterVeritis]

That's great. I can't wait to see the designs. We're told all the time how impossible it is but America put a man on the moon. I'm sure it can build a wall, a spectacular wall.

Also when people are deported they should be barred from ever entering the US again. Barred from vacationing, studying or anything. So if they arrive at a seaport or airport or a road through the wall they are automatically denied entry, for life. If they want back in they'll have to try and climb the wall.
I have a pretty good idea of what the end design will contain.

Gathering substantial biometrics on illegals should be part of the solution. I agree with no return. Ever.

[Croft]

Security contractors are going to do well. As are construction crews.

Fear profits a man nothing.
Yep good job creation. Hopefully in tandem with getting back jobs from overseas.

[Cthulhu]

It seems fear can profit a man something...
Realism.

The border isn't safe.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[Croft]

I have a pretty good idea of what the end design will contain.

Gathering substantial biometrics on illegals should be part of the solution. I agree with no return. Ever.
They should be photograhed, fingerprinted and even DNA on the ones who have committed violent crimes. And no, never allowed back. They didn't respect the US so they forfeited the right to even visit it again.

[Crepitus]

Realism.

The border isn't safe.

Fear profits a man nothing.

Yea, these are some bad lookin' hombres right here!!

http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/07/27/immigration-overload-refugee-statusjpeg-00d23_c0-53-5451-3231_s885x516.jpg?216ddf18906fb1145137d8609dfdf2d0 9db9dd8c

[Subdermal]

Yea, these are some bad lookin' hombres right here!!

http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/07/27/immigration-overload-refugee-statusjpeg-00d23_c0-53-5451-3231_s885x516.jpg?216ddf18906fb1145137d8609dfdf2d0 9db9dd8c

Is that the gang who started the rape tree?


https://youtu.be/olzOOq77KPc

Why should anyone listen to you, Crepitus, if you cannot even acknowledge reality?

[Crepitus]

Is that the gang who started the rape tree?



Naw, they go to Baylor.

[Docthehun]

"Show me a thirty foot wall, I'll show you a thirty-two foot ladder."

This is an expensive, feel good program. Safe at last!

Of course, you had a better chance at getting hit by lightning, twice than being killed by an terrorist anyway, but, let's not worry about reality.

[Subdermal]

Naw, they go to Baylor.

Perhaps you should acknowledge reality, instead of skewing it. The picture of the rape tree is presented isn't the video, if you weren't absolutely too close-minded to watch.

[Subdermal]

"Show me a thirty foot wall, I'll show you a thirty-two foot ladder."

This is an expensive, feel good program. Safe at last!

Of course, you had a better chance at getting hit by lightning, twice than being killed by an terrorist anyway, but, let's not worry about reality.

What are the odds of being murdered in this country?

[Crepitus]

Perhaps you should acknowledge reality, instead of skewing it. The picture of the rape tree is presented isn't the video, if you weren't absolutely too close-minded to watch.

Translation please.

[Common Sense]

http://socgen.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/fear-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg

[Newpublius]

Yea, these are some bad lookin' hombres right here!!

http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/07/27/immigration-overload-refugee-statusjpeg-00d23_c0-53-5451-3231_s885x516.jpg?216ddf18906fb1145137d8609dfdf2d0 9db9dd8c

5-6% of NJ's school population are illegal aliens and we spend well in excess of 10k per student. In North Jersey its higher, my school district happens to be 25%, and we send the students to a neighboring district so that expense is a flat per capita expense.

[Docthehun]

What are the odds of being murdered in this country?

Much higher. Of course, if you're buying the "alternative fact" program, the odds are the extremely high and climbing. We shall solve that problem with more guns. Using that same philosophy, it would then make sense to totally eliminate the wall altogether, allowing even more immigrants, thereby solving that problem as well.

[Croft]

Hopefully Mexico and other latin countries will be picking up the expense in the next few years.

[MMC]

Yea, these are some bad lookin' hombres right here!!

http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/07/27/immigration-overload-refugee-statusjpeg-00d23_c0-53-5451-3231_s885x516.jpg?216ddf18906fb1145137d8609dfdf2d0 9db9dd8c

Now lets see what you think about these Bad Hombres. Try not to tremble, shake or wet yourself okay.


https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives



Hundreds of immigrants convicted and not deported committed more crimes — even murder ......

At least 121 killings within a four-year span were carried out by convicted immigrants who were not deported, according to a 2015 U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee document recently reviewed by el Nuevo Herald.

Every year, federal immigration authorities release foreign nationals convicted of crimes — including murder — both because the U.S. Supreme Court has prohibited indefinite detention or because their countries refuse to take them back even after immigration judges have ordered deportation.

While the release of convicted immigrant criminals has been routine since the Supreme Court issued its landmark ruling 15 years ago, the practice is now in the national spotlight because President Donald Trump has made it imperative to deport immigrant convicts as quickly as possible lest they commit more crimes.....

“This disturbing fact follows ICE’s admission that, of the 36,007 criminal aliens it released from ICE custody in Fiscal Year 2013, 1,000 have been re-convicted of additional crimes in the short time since their release,” according to the letter, dated June 12, 2015.

The Senate Judiciary Committee letter revealed that 121 immigrant convicts were charged with homicide following their release from ICE custody between 2010 and 2014. It also noted that in 2014, ICE released 2,457 immigrant convicts because of the Supreme Court ruling prohibiting detention of deportable foreign nationals beyond six months.


Read more here: [/URL]http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...131227599.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article131227599.html)



[URL]http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/78308-Hundreds-of-immigrants-convicted-and-not-deported-committed-more-crimes-—-even-murder

[Newpublius]

"Show me a thirty foot wall, I'll show you a thirty-two foot ladder."

This is an expensive, feel good program. Safe at last!

Of course, you had a better chance at getting hit by lightning, twice than being killed by an terrorist anyway, but, let's not worry about reality.

And a 100% chance they will make a claim on your income through education, medical (illegal immigrants don't get Medicaid but if they call 911 do you think we let them die in the streets? Of course not, and we shouldn't, but do yiu think no cost associated with that?) and the taxes they do pay (they do pay taxes of course), aren't remotely close. This is why we have limits on immigration, so that we can pick and choose the best inmigrants. Of course, many ignore that.

10mn illegal aliens given PR stafus, in 5 years, the current waiting period for a new inmigrant to qualify for Medicaid, the vast majority will be on Medicaid.

[MMC]

Is that the gang who started the rape tree?


https://youtu.be/olzOOq77KPc

Why should anyone listen to you, Crepitus, if you cannot even acknowledge reality?

Well he said he doesn't care about having any credibility. This is just the internet. So what do you think that means?

[Crepitus]

Much higher. Of course, if you're buying the "alternative fact" program, the odds are the extremely high and climbing. We shall solve that problem with more guns. Using that same philosophy, it would then make sense to totally eliminate the wall altogether, allowing even more immigrants, thereby solving that problem as well.
AMEN BRUTHA!
https://media3.giphy.com/media/l2Je0obbR1DxuTjmo/200.gif#37

[Crepitus]

Well he said he doesn't care about having any credibility. This is just the internet. So what do you think that means?

You lie!

[MMC]

You lie!

:rollseyes: That was you blaming all those on the Right around here saying you didn't have any, Remember.


So now.....back to the bad hombres. They didn't cause you to soil yourself again, did they?

[MMC]

Much higher. Of course, if you're buying the "alternative fact" program, the odds are the extremely high and climbing. We shall solve that problem with more guns. Using that same philosophy, it would then make sense to totally eliminate the wall altogether, allowing even more immigrants, thereby solving that problem as well.

Chicago says.....put them to the test. Oh wait......they did have the strictest gun laws.

[Crepitus]

Now lets see what you think about these Bad Hombres. Try not to tremble, shake or wet yourself okay.
Please don't assume that just because that is your reaction it is everyone's.


https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives



Hundreds of immigrants convicted and not deported committed more crimes — even murder ......

At least 121 killings within a four-year span were carried out by convicted immigrants who were not deported, according to a 2015 U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee document recently reviewed by el Nuevo Herald.

Every year, federal immigration authorities release foreign nationals convicted of crimes — including murder — both because the U.S. Supreme Court has prohibited indefinite detention or because their countries refuse to take them back even after immigration judges have ordered deportation.

While the release of convicted immigrant criminals has been routine since the Supreme Court issued its landmark ruling 15 years ago, the practice is now in the national spotlight because President Donald Trump has made it imperative to deport immigrant convicts as quickly as possible lest they commit more crimes.....

“This disturbing fact follows ICE’s admission that, of the 36,007 criminal aliens it released from ICE custody in Fiscal Year 2013, 1,000 have been re-convicted of additional crimes in the short time since their release,” according to the letter, dated June 12, 2015.

The Senate Judiciary Committee letter revealed that 121 immigrant convicts were charged with homicide following their release from ICE custody between 2010 and 2014. It also noted that in 2014, ICE released 2,457 immigrant convicts because of the Supreme Court ruling prohibiting detention of deportable foreign nationals beyond six months.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...131227599.html



http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/78308-Hundreds-of-immigrants-convicted-and-not-deported-committed-more-crimes-—-even-murder

National recidivism rate for state inmates is 76% within 5 years.

1000 out of 36007 is 2%

You can stop shitting the bed now, you are safe.

[Peter1469]

It seems fear can profit a man something...

The fear meme is over used like xenophobe and fascist.

[Crepitus]

The fear meme is over used like xenophobe and fascist.

If the shoe fits...........

[Docthehun]

Chicago says.....put them to the test. Oh wait......they did have the strictest gun laws.

That's true. It's also true that you can almost walk to a State that has some of the leanest.

[Peter1469]

If the shoe fits...........

First the terms need to be applied properly.

I have never locked my door at night out of fear. When I still had weapons, I didn't carry conceal out of fear. Do you?

[Crepitus]

First the terms need to be applied properly.

I have never locked my door at night out of fear. When I still had weapons, I didn't carry conceal out of fear. Do you?

You don't have to fear an attack or bodily harm to yourself to be afraid.

[MMC]

Please don't assume that just because that is your reaction it is everyone's.


National recidivism rate for state inmates is 76% within 5 years.



1000 out of 36007 is 2%



You can stop shitting the bed now, you are safe.



Its not assuming.....its your reality outside the cornfields. You just stick to the cornfields as you couldn't handle the reality around here.


Depends on who you are looking at. And who looks at you and sees the victim you were created as. Now don't shit your pants. You're safe out there in those cornfields.


http://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?q=Latin+Gangs+in+Chicago&dc=3&w=81&h=79&c=1&rs=1&pid=InlineBlock&mkt=en-US&adlt=moderate&t=1&mw=240&shs=2 http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M8b977172e5e81107d01850c53a50f6d9o0&w=262&h=193&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7 http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?q=Puerto+Rican+Gang+Members&dc=3&w=66&h=62&c=1&rs=1&pid=InlineBlock&mkt=en-US&adlt=moderate&t=1&mw=240&shs=2

http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.RBgOH6aC3IRY1KJyMD9hlAEsDH&w=299&h=199&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7


Oh, and that don't count any of the rest that are coming into the country. Like MS13.

[Crepitus]

Its not assuming.....its your reality outside the cornfields. You just stick to the cornfields as you couldn't handle the reality around here.


Depends on who you are looking at. And who looks at you and sees the victim you were created as. Now don't shit your pants. You're safe out there in those cornfields.


http://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?q=Latin+Gangs+in+Chicago&dc=3&w=81&h=79&c=1&rs=1&pid=InlineBlock&mkt=en-US&adlt=moderate&t=1&mw=240&shs=2 http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M8b977172e5e81107d01850c53a50f6d9o0&w=262&h=193&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7 http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?q=Puerto+Rican+Gang+Members&dc=3&w=66&h=62&c=1&rs=1&pid=InlineBlock&mkt=en-US&adlt=moderate&t=1&mw=240&shs=2

http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.RBgOH6aC3IRY1KJyMD9hlAEsDH&w=299&h=199&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7


Oh, and that don't count any of the rest that are coming into the country. Like MS13.

English please!

Oh, and we have the same gangs here, this is the biggest city for about 300 miles in any direction.

[resister]

That's true. It's also true that you can almost walk to a State that has some of the leanest.It is also true gun laws have no following in the criminal element and only effects law abiding owners. As a general rule, democrats refuse to see this reality.

[MMC]

That's true. It's also true that you can almost walk to a State that has some of the leanest.
That is true if you are thinking of Indiana. But having the strictest gun laws in the nation. Didn't slow down any of the shootings.

For some.....the law just don't mean that much to them.

[Peter1469]

You don't have to fear an attack or bodily harm to yourself to be afraid.

I wouldn't know.

[MMC]

English please!

Oh, and we have the same gangs here, this is the biggest city for about 300 miles in any direction.

Which English words cracked your fragile mind? Cmon tell us. What part didn't you get when I said I wasn't assuming?

What part didn't you get when I told you to stick to those cornfields, since you couldn't handle reality outside those cornfields? Did you need the English made simpler for the simple mind?

Yeah you may have a few. Nothing like what we got here.....buts its not like you live in the hood anyways.


I doubt you could handle thee barrio with all those I have shown living there. Couldn't even walk the streets without being punked. Your mindset gives you away.

[Scrounger]

I have a pretty good idea of what the end design will contain.

Gathering substantial biometrics on illegals should be part of the solution. I agree with no return. Ever.


Yipeee POLICE STATE. Biometrics... as if National ID /REAL ID Act, E-Verify, the end of the presumption of innocence and the evisceration of the Fourth Amendment weren't already enough. Seig freaking Heil. YOU'RE NEXT!

"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates his duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine

[Peter1469]

Speaking of REAL ID. It takes effect next January. If your state doesn't create a REAL ID complaint license or if your state hands them out to illegals, get a passport if you plan to fly on any commercial aircraft.

[MisterVeritis]

Yipeee POLICE STATE. Biometrics... as if National ID /REAL ID Act, E-Verify, the end of the presumption of innocence and the evisceration of the Fourth Amendment weren't already enough. Seig freaking Heil. YOU'RE NEXT!

"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates his duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine
I appreciate you sounding the alarm. :grin:

[Scrounger]

I appreciate you sounding the alarm. :grin:

Like I said, Seig freaking Heil to all the people in love with Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids.

[Evmetro]

I know Trump's only just started his presidency but I've got a hankerin' for a large wall.

Overall Trump needs to do 4 things. Build a wall. Deport 12 million illegals, End the Fed and thereby get the American people's money into their own hands. Withdraw funding for commissar campuses so that the brainwashing stops.

But I'm ready for the wall. Building the wall will be a great construction project up there with the 19th century continental railroad. They built great bridges and tunneled under mountains to build that and the wall can be a great challenge for the American worker today. I say get on it Mr President, get the tenders out to the construction companies and let the left start wailing.

I am for the wall, as long as it does not cost more than a half dozen websites. Obamacare websites, that is...

[Docthehun]

That is true if you are thinking of Indiana. But having the strictest gun laws in the nation. Didn't slow down any of the shootings.

For some.....the law just don't mean that much to them.

On our old forum, DGUtley and I had this conversation. Of the illegal guns confiscated, most came from other States with liberal gun laws, including Indiana and South Carolina. Your right about; "For some....the law just doesn't mean that much to them."

[Docthehun]

At least now, with the confirmation of Jeff Sessions, we finally have an AG with their finger on the pulse of the problem.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sessions-calls-rise-in-crime-a-dangerous-permanent-trend-but-fbi-data-shows-rate-consistently-falling-180307110.html

[Captain Obvious]

At least now, with the confirmation of Jeff Sessions, we finally have an AG with their finger on the pulse of the problem.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sessions-calls-rise-in-crime-a-dangerous-permanent-trend-but-fbi-data-shows-rate-consistently-falling-180307110.html

This administration so far speaks in tongues and if they have information that may discredit available statistics they'd better start sharing it, otherwise they will quickly lose confidence and support.

[Docthehun]

This administration so far speaks in tongues and if they have information that may discredit available statistics they'd better start sharing it, otherwise they will quickly lose confidence and support.

Concur.

[Casper]

I know Trump's only just started his presidency but I've got a hankerin' for a large wall.

Overall Trump needs to do 4 things. Build a wall. Deport 12 million illegals, End the Fed and thereby get the American people's money into their own hands. Withdraw funding for commissar campuses so that the brainwashing stops.

But I'm ready for the wall. Building the wall will be a great construction project up there with the 19th century continental railroad. They built great bridges and tunneled under mountains to build that and the wall can be a great challenge for the American worker today. I say get on it Mr President, get the tenders out to the construction companies and let the left start wailing.
I highly doubt you are going to be pleased with the wall, in many places a 30ft wall is simply not feasible nor is it necessary. What you probably will get is more Fencing with some actual walls put up where they might do some good. Along with the fencing, and wall, there will be a lot more surveillance equipment to supplement that which is already there and many more agents. In reality that is what we actually need and will get. Oh and, yes, We will pay for it, not Mexico.

As for massive roundups and deportations, not going to happen, Paul Ryan as already said there would not be and the trump has toned back his rhetoric on the matter also. There will deportations but not near as many as you probably hope. Not to worry, if E-Verify becomes the law of the land and is actually enforced most illegals would not be able to get work and will leave on their own, especially if trade deals between China and Mexico get signed, why leave home when you can get paid at home.

Another place something good can be implemented is in benefits, cut off social programs, give them 30 day notice so people do not cry foul, and then cut them off, no food stamps, no healthcare unless it is to save a life due to an accident, no welfare, and no free schools. You would be surprised how many families would simply go home without those perks.

As for the schools, good luck with that, maybe in a few specific cases but over all, that is simply Not going to happen.

[Crepitus]

I wouldn't know.

Of course you wouldn't Pete. Conservatives aren't afraid of anything right?

[Crepitus]

Which English words cracked your fragile mind? Cmon tell us. What part didn't you get when I said I wasn't assuming?

What part didn't you get when I told you to stick to those cornfields, since you couldn't handle reality outside those cornfields? Did you need the English made simpler for the simple mind?

Yeah you may have a few. Nothing like what we got here.....buts its not like you live in the hood anyways.


I doubt you could handle thee barrio with all those I have shown living there. Couldn't even walk the streets without being punked. Your mindset gives you away.

Yea yea, sure sure. You're a tough guy, I can tell because they always brag about how tough they are always and tell everyone else how tough they arent.


Right everybody?

[Peter1469]

Of course you wouldn't Pete. Conservatives aren't afraid of anything right?
I would not know. I don't speak for other people. Do you?

[Croft]

I highly doubt you are going to be pleased with the wall, in many places a 30ft wall is simply not feasible nor is it necessary. What you probably will get is more Fencing with some actual walls put up where they might do some good. Along with the fencing, and wall, there will be a lot more surveillance equipment to supplement that which is already there and many more agents. In reality that is what we actually need and will get. Oh and, yes, We will pay for it, not Mexico.

As for massive roundups and deportations, not going to happen, Paul Ryan as already said there would not be and the trump has toned back his rhetoric on the matter also. There will deportations but not near as many as you probably hope. Not to worry, if E-Verify becomes the law of the land and is actually enforced most illegals would not be able to get work and will leave on their own, especially if trade deals between China and Mexico get signed, why leave home when you can get paid at home.

Another place something good can be implemented is in benefits, cut off social programs, give them 30 day notice so people do not cry foul, and then cut them off, no food stamps, no healthcare unless it is to save a life due to an accident, no welfare, and no free schools. You would be surprised how many families would simply go home without those perks.

As for the schools, good luck with that, maybe in a few specific cases but over all, that is simply Not going to happen.

The wall you've described is how I see it. What ever is appropriate for each mile is what will be built. And yes that's all that's needed. But the long straight sections are going to look great and will be symbolic... third world stay out.
E verify sounds good but I don't think people will leave as easily as you think. And the pressure to provide them with relief when they're desperate will grow. In the past when some states denied them services they just flooded to other states but if the alternative is Mexico or Panama they'll hang on like grim death. I still think mass deportations will be necessary because that pressure to relent from the left and the weak hearted will be intense. If they're not going to mass deport then I'll be very disappointed.

As for the schools laying down that it is not the school's business to indoctrinate but to teach the student's their chosen subject is vital. The whole SJW scourge and all the rest of it is the product of these commissar profs. I fear you're right that Trump won't stop it but basically it's about freedom and he damn well should be.

[MisterVeritis]

I highly doubt you are going to be pleased with the wall, in many places a 30ft wall is simply not feasible nor is it necessary. What you probably will get is more Fencing with some actual walls put up where they might do some good. Along with the fencing, and wall, there will be a lot more surveillance equipment to supplement that which is already there and many more agents. In reality that is what we actually need and will get. Oh and, yes, We will pay for it, not Mexico.

As for massive roundups and deportations, not going to happen, Paul Ryan as already said there would not be and the trump has toned back his rhetoric on the matter also. There will deportations but not near as many as you probably hope. Not to worry, if E-Verify becomes the law of the land and is actually enforced most illegals would not be able to get work and will leave on their own, especially if trade deals between China and Mexico get signed, why leave home when you can get paid at home.

Another place something good can be implemented is in benefits, cut off social programs, give them 30 day notice so people do not cry foul, and then cut them off, no food stamps, no healthcare unless it is to save a life due to an accident, no welfare, and no free schools. You would be surprised how many families would simply go home without those perks.

As for the schools, good luck with that, maybe in a few specific cases but over all, that is simply Not going to happen.
If you made guesses about the election how did they turn out?

[Cthulhu]

"Show me a thirty foot wall, I'll show you a thirty-two foot ladder."

This is an expensive, feel good program. Safe at last!

Of course, you had a better chance at getting hit by lightning, twice than being killed by an terrorist anyway, but, let's not worry about reality.
Your right the Berlin Wall was completely ineffective.

You should notify China as well.

Derp.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[Scrounger]

Your right the Berlin Wall was completely ineffective.

You should notify China as well.

Derp.

Fear profits a man nothing.

The Berlin Wall came down, did it not? And, people were so willing to get over that wall, they would make hot air balloons out of old clothes and sail over it.

Today, a few Mexicans armed with cordless drills can breach that wall within a half an hour. Either people will cross borders or troops will. The tale of the Trojan Horse should have reminded you of that.

You need to rethink this whole thing - Open borders for free trade - NOT CITIZENSHIP.

[Docthehun]

AMEN BRUTHA!
https://media3.giphy.com/media/l2Je0obbR1DxuTjmo/200.gif#37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAf6U5NjTz0

[Docthehun]

Your right the Berlin Wall was completely ineffective.

You should notify China as well.

Derp.

Fear profits a man nothing.

Ping told the POTUS the wall is working and they haven't seen a Mexican in years.

[Crepitus]

ping told the potus the wall is working and they haven't seen a mexican in years.

lmao!

[Casper]

If you made guesses about the election how did they turn out?
My guess was that we The People were going to get screwed not matter if Trump or Hillary won and supported neither, meaning I did not vote for either. I did on the other hand vote 99% for Repubs in all the other elections I had a choice in, wanted the GOP to have enough power to override Trump or Hillary if needed. Clear up your curiosity?

[Croft]

The Berlin Wall came down, did it not? And, people were so willing to get over that wall, they would make hot air balloons out of old clothes and sail over it.

Today, a few Mexicans armed with cordless drills can breach that wall within a half an hour. Either people will cross borders or troops will. The tale of the Trojan Horse should have reminded you of that.

You need to rethink this whole thing - Open borders for free trade - NOT CITIZENSHIP.
If you build a real barrier and enforce it people can't cross. the enforcing it obviously is the key. And I doubt Mexico will send troops.
Here's an example of a good working anti illegal immigration wall.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/01/02/major-section-of-israeli-border-fence-with-egypt-completed-reducing-number-of-infiltrators-to-near-zero/#

[Scrounger]

If you build a real barrier and enforce it people can't cross. the enforcing it obviously is the key. And I doubt Mexico will send troops.
Here's an example of a good working anti illegal immigration wall.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/01/02/major-section-of-israeli-border-fence-with-egypt-completed-reducing-number-of-infiltrators-to-near-zero/#



No wall has ever been built in human history that was not capable of being breached. The key to this one is that its costs will exceed any benefit promised. It will cost in terms of money AND lost Liberties, fewer Freedoms and the Constitution will continue to be gutted. These are issues you and the build the wall guys refuse to address. We both know why.

PART II

The Israelis are at war with the people on the other side of their wall. In America, we are freely doing business with Hispanics and they are entrenched in our communities. Are you suggesting that we separate from them the same way Israelis separate from the others in their part of the world? Segregation?

[Croft]

No wall has ever been built in human history that was not capable of being breached. The key to this one is that its costs will exceed any benefit promised. It will cost in terms of money AND lost Liberties, fewer Freedoms and the Constitution will continue to be gutted. These are issues you and the build the wall guys refuse to address. We both know why.

PART II

The Israelis are at war with the people on the other side of their wall. In America, we are freely doing business with Hispanics and they are entrenched in our communities. Are you suggesting that we separate from them the same way Israelis separate from the others in their part of the world? Segregation?
My point which I was making due to an earlier poster is that yes walls do work. All you have to have is the will to build a realistic barrier and enforce it. Israel's wall, whatever their circumstances and need for it is an example.

As for the US, as it's had literally millions of people just walk in the need it for it is obvious. At least if you are going to have borders and and have the rule of law and sanity.

[MisterVeritis]

The Berlin Wall came down, did it not? And, people were so willing to get over that wall, they would make hot air balloons out of old clothes and sail over it.

Today, a few Mexicans armed with cordless drills can breach that wall within a half an hour. Either people will cross borders or troops will. The tale of the Trojan Horse should have reminded you of that.

You need to rethink this whole thing - Open borders for free trade - NOT CITIZENSHIP.
The Berlin Wall came down because the Soviet Union was defeated. The enslaved German people were freed. A few people made it over the Berlin Wall. Far more were prevented.

But you do love being wrong.

[MisterVeritis]

My guess was that we The People were going to get screwed not matter if Trump or Hillary won and supported neither, meaning I did not vote for either. I did on the other hand vote 99% for Repubs in all the other elections I had a choice in, wanted the GOP to have enough power to override Trump or Hillary if needed. Clear up your curiosity?
It tells me you are an observer, not a participant.

[Scrounger]

My point which I was making due to an earlier poster is that yes walls do work. All you have to have is the will to build a realistic barrier and enforce it. Israel's wall, whatever their circumstances and need for it is an example.

As for the US, as it's had literally millions of people just walk in the need it for it is obvious. At least if you are going to have borders and and have the rule of law and sanity.

The Israelis are at war; I just told you that every wall in history has been breached. So, what is your real point?

You are advocating putting up a wall to restrain free trade, not protect from armed invaders. I know it's a big freaking surprise to you and the guys who slap you on the back, but we are not at war with Mexico. Those people are here because we invited them here.

America wanted to make this big show about equality, freedom and opportunity. Our "Welcome Mat" even states:

“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We willingly hire, buy from, sell to, rent to, and otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. It is a mutual and financially beneficial arrangement.

Today, the National Socialists have overtaken this discussion and all I see is NS propaganda with some posters harping on what they see as the strengths of their case while avoiding the hard questions. For example:

The Declaration of Independence says:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

So, you mean now we do not have unalienable Rights? The NS among you traded those in for inalienable rights... they think they can't exist without a government God. At the end of the day, you don't give a sh!+ about Freedom, Liberty or unalienable Rights, do you? Or do you think that government grants Rights?

[Scrounger]

The Berlin Wall came down because the Soviet Union was defeated. The German enslaved people were freed. A few people made it over the Berlin Wall. Far more were prevented.

But you do love being wrong.

Bless your heart, but you are the most delusional person I have ever had to write a sentence about me. The only thing that I was wrong about was ever thinking you actually understood this subject.

[MisterVeritis]

The Israelis are at war; I just told you that every wall in history has been breached. So, what is your real point?

Let's see what happens over the next few years. We are at war with invaders who walk across our undefended Southern border. We are about to turn the tide of battle against the Democratic party's goal of an unbeatable, poor, dumb, dependent second class.

Enjoy the wall. It will benefit you if you are an American citizen.

[MisterVeritis]

The Berlin Wall came down because the Soviet Union was defeated. The German enslaved people were freed. A few people made it over the Berlin Wall. Far more were prevented.

Bless your heart, but you are the most delusional person I have ever had to write a sentence about me. The only thing that I was wrong about was ever thinking you actually understood this subject.
And yet time after time I blow holes in your poor understanding.

Think of it as a public service.

[Scrounger]

The Berlin Wall came down because the Soviet Union was defeated. The German enslaved people were freed. A few people made it over the Berlin Wall. Far more were prevented.

And yet time after time I blow holes in your poor understanding.

Think of it as a public service.

What can I say? You're a legend in your own mind. If I took all the people in America that believed what you just said, and turned their brains into dynamite there wouldn't be enough charge to blow one's nose.

Let me tell you something big boy. You come here not for the discussion, but to show us how much more intellectually superior you are. You fail. It don't take an Einstein to pick a fight, it only requires a mental midget. The real challenge is to have a productive and civil discussion. You constantly claiming some superiority over your fellow posters fails to impress me. It might impress those with a shoe size as big as their actual IQ, however.

Actually, you would be well advised to hire an attorney and sue your brains for non-support. To make this easy for you: in the IQ department, don't sh!+ yourself - you aren't nowhere near as smart as the average poster on this board. You're kind of lacking. So, don't sh!+ yourself. When you feel this need to put others down ALL the time, it only means you don't have anything substantial to discuss.

[MisterVeritis]

What can I say? You're a legend in your own mind. If I took all the people in America that believed what you just said, and turned their brains into dynamite there wouldn't be enough charge to blow one's nose.

Let me tell you something big boy. You come here not for the discussion, but to show us how much more intellectually superior you are. You fail. It don't take an Einstein to pick a fight, it only requires a mental midget. The real challenge is to have a productive and civil discussion. You constantly claiming some superiority over your fellow posters fails to impress me. It might impress those with a shoe size as big as their actual IQ, however.

Actually, you would be well advised to hire an attorney and sue your brains for non-support. To make this easy for you: in the IQ department, don't sh!+ yourself - you aren't nowhere near as smart as the average poster on this board. You're kind of lacking. So, don't sh!+ yourself. When you feel this need to put others down ALL the time, it only means you don't have anything substantial to discuss.
LOL. Perfect. You fail at everything you attempt.

Your arguments are weak and nonsensical. Your grasp of facts is weak as well. So all you have left is an effort to denigrate me.

I understand.

[Scrounger]

Let's see what happens over the next few years. We are at war with invaders who walk across our undefended Southern border. We are about to turn the tide of battle against the Democratic party's goal of an unbeatable, poor, dumb, dependent second class.

Enjoy the wall. It will benefit you if you are an American citizen.

We're already seeing what this wall idea is about:

24 / 7 / 365 Womb to the tomb surveillance

Hitler style National ID on steroids

Assaults on private property Rights

The evisceration of the Fourth Amendment

Warrant less searches

National Gun Registration

Privacy Rights violations

An end to the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

How many more shall I name?

[MisterVeritis]

We're already seeing what this wall idea is about:
24 / 7 / 365 Womb to the tomb surveillance
Hitler style National ID on steroids
Assaults on private property Rights
The evisceration of the Fourth Amendment
Warrant less searches
National Gun Registration
Privacy Rights violations
An end to the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty
How many more shall I name?
You remind me of a monkey that pulls feces out of his rectum to throw at whatever passes by.

You have made my point. Your arguments and grasp of the facts are weak and nonsensical.

[Scrounger]

LOL. Perfect. You fail at everything you attempt.

Your arguments are weak and nonsensical. Your grasp of facts is weak as well. So all you have left is an effort to denigrate me.

I understand.

You sound desperate, big boy. Yeah. You got everybody beat, don't you? I can see you now, breaking a sweat because you can't come up with enough ways to denigrate me. But it is to no avail. You run roughshod around here and think you have a monopoly on human virtue. Like I said, you are nowhere near as smart as you think.

You fail at what you attempt. That's why you have this need to denigrate people rather than have a logical discussion with them. You're hiding behind your computer keyboard because you don't have the balls nor the brains to be out there in the real world putting your a## on the line in public.

You are the biggest joke on this board.

[Scrounger]

You remind me of a monkey that pulls feces out of his rectum to throw at whatever passes by.

You have made my point. Your arguments and grasp of the facts are weak and nonsensical.

So, I remind you of your mother? Ha. Ha. Ha. Is that why your IQ is that freaking low?

[Scrounger]

The Berlin Wall came down because the Soviet Union was defeated. The German enslaved people were freed. A few people made it over the Berlin Wall. Far more were prevented.

And yet time after time I blow holes in your poor understanding.

Think of it as a public service.

Your understanding is poor. You blow holes in nothing except good threads that would benefit greatly if you didn't have to be a smart a** with nothing to say.

At least we've concluded you have an IQ roughly equivalent to a monkey and you have nothing important to say. Oh, but I understand you quite well.

You're mad at the world and you're too chickensh!+ to talk trash to your neighbors in person, so you come here, spew swill that you wouldn't say to anybody's face and convince yourself you are some kind of great person.

[MisterVeritis]

You sound desperate, big boy. Yeah. You got everybody beat, don't you? I can see you now, breaking a sweat because you can't come up with enough ways to denigrate me. But it is to no avail. You run roughshod around here and think you have a monopoly on human virtue. Like I said, you are nowhere near as smart as you think.

You fail at what you attempt. That's why you have this need to denigrate people rather than have a logical discussion with them. You're hiding behind your computer keyboard because you don't have the balls nor the brains to be out there in the real world putting your a## on the line in public.

You are the biggest joke on this board.

Why thanks. I do try to help people be happy.

[MisterVeritis]

Your understanding is poor. You blow holes in nothing except good threads that would benefit greatly if you didn't have to be a smart a** with nothing to say.

At least we've concluded you have an IQ roughly equivalent to a monkey and you have nothing important to say. Oh, but I understand you quite well.

You're mad at the world and you're too chickensh!+ to talk trash to your neighbors in person, so you come here, spew swill that you wouldn't say to anybody's face and convince yourself you are some kind of great person.
Hmm. Occasionally people, like you, call people like me cowards. This just makes me smile.

[Scrounger]

Hmm. Occasionally people, like you, call people like me cowards. This just makes me smile.

You can't hide what you are I guess, but rest assured, not everybody in this world is chickensh!+. The fact that you admit what others here have said about you reveals a lot.

Your clownishness is funny, but some topics are serious. Being a sick joke must be a hard job and I don't envy a guy who has to pretend he is the smartest poster on a board wherein nobody really cares. I'm just humoring you to let you know, you are not what you think you are.

You're scared and insecure. You are suffering from delusions of grandeur, thinking that by picking fights on a discussion board will make you appear strong or smart. None of it squares with the facts and you really really need help.

[HawkTheSlayer]

You can't hide what you are I guess, but rest assured, not everybody in this world is chickensh!+. The fact that you admit what others here have said about you reveals a lot.

Your clownishness is funny, but some topics are serious. Being a sick joke must be a hard job and I don't envy a guy who has to pretend he is the smartest poster on a board wherein nobody really cares. I'm just humoring you to let you know, you are not what you think you are.

You're scared and insecure. You are suffering from delusions of grandeur, thinking that by picking fights on a discussion board will make you appear strong or smart. None of it squares with the facts and you really really need help.

An Internet Dr. Phil.
Do you charge by the hour or post?
I'll pay you in Bitcoin.

[MisterVeritis]

You can't hide what you are I guess, but rest assured, not everybody in this world is chickensh!+. The fact that you admit what others here have said about you reveals a lot.

Your clownishness is funny, but some topics are serious. Being a sick joke must be a hard job and I don't envy a guy who has to pretend he is the smartest poster on a board wherein nobody really cares. I'm just humoring you to let you know, you are not what you think you are.

You're scared and insecure. You are suffering from delusions of grandeur, thinking that by picking fights on a discussion board will make you appear strong or smart. None of it squares with the facts and you really really need help.
This too, just makes me smile.

Just between you and me, I am smart. That sets us apart.

[HawkTheSlayer]

This too, just makes me smile.

Just between you and me, I am smart. That sets us apart.
Mister V, when i was a wee lad, my old great uncle and I sat on the steps of his huge creole cottage watching my brother try to kill a skunk with a long stick. The stick was not nearly long enough and the inevitable happened :-)
The old man turned to me and said, "T-Hawk, it's way better to be smart and act dumb , than it is to be dumb and act smart".

I've held that philosophy close for almost 50 years since.

[Scrounger]

This too, just makes me smile.

Just between you and me, I am smart. That sets us apart.
Like I said, you're a legend in your own mind. Smart? Compared to a primate, you can read at a fourth grade level. Other than that, it takes more than being able to come up with a board name that sounds like a disease to be smart. Smart a** maybe. Smart? No. Not even you believe that.

[MisterVeritis]

Just between you and me, I am smart. That sets us apart.

Like I said, you're a legend in your own mind. Smart? Compared to a primate, you can read at a fourth grade level. Other than that, it takes more than being able to come up with a board name that sounds like a disease to be smart. Smart a** maybe. Smart? No. Not even you believe that.
A wise person would have stopped before now. Please continue. :grin:

[birddog]

It's a good thing that I am around here to add a high degree of decorum, common sense, and true intelligence! :grin:

[MisterVeritis]

It's a good thing that I am around here to add a high degree of decorum, common sense, and true intelligence! :grin:
I know *I* appreciate it. :laugh:

[Scrounger]

Just between you and me, I am smart. That sets us apart.

A wise person would have stopped before now. Please continue. :grin:

Yes, a wise person would. But you keep on. It's proof that you think if you last the longest, you win some kind of prize. The difference between you and I is that you need the accolades of people equally misguided as you. I don't. I don't give sh!+ and I don't take sh!+ because I'm not in the sh!+ business.

I'm just entertaining you until you run out of holier than thou lines and get into the real discussion. You are not prepared. Your fear is showing as is your insecurity. Better PM a few more friends. You'll need 'em. You picked this battle. Now, I'm willing to feed it back to you. In the future, don't screw with me and I won't bother you. But, rest assured. You are not smart by any definition of the word.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes, a wise person would. But you keep on. It's proof that you think if you last the longest, you win some kind of prize. The difference between you and I is that you need the accolades of people equally misguided as you. I don't. I don't give sh!+ and I don't take sh!+ because I'm not in the sh!+ business.
Hmmm. Have I asked for accolades? I cannot recall.

The shit is what you throw against the wall, hoping some will stick.

I'm just entertaining you
Most of us, I suspect.


until you run out of holier than thou lines and get into the real discussion. You are not prepared. Your fear is showing as is your insecurity. Better PM a few more friends. You'll need 'em. You picked this battle. Now, I'm willing to feed it back to you. In the future, don't screw with me and I won't bother you. But, rest assured. You are not smart by any definition of the word.
This just makes me smile. Thanks. I like smiling.

[Scrounger]

Hmmm. Have I asked for accolades? I cannot recall.

The $#@! is what you throw against the wall, hoping some will stick.

Most of us, I suspect.


This just makes me smile. Thanks. I like smiling.

You're smiling because someone is paying attention to you. So, you are a glory hound. Whatever. You are still insecure. Now, I came to this site to discuss issues, not necessarily to play mind fu** games with a guy who gets his jollies off pretending to be superior to his fellow posters. If that's what we're here for and the mods like this, we can do this until Hell freezes over.

The one thing The Political Forums wants is for MrVeritis to have his ego stroked. We want you to be happy buddy. We want you to think you have an IQ almost as big as your shoe size. Then, when you get sick of the games, you might want to discuss issues and show your fellow posters a small modicum of respect.

When you can advance to that level, I'll even call you smart. Until then, someone needs to put you back in your monkey cage with a banana.

[Ravens Fan]

General warning to discuss the topic and not each other.

[Scrounger]

Provided to me by guy calling himself Mandelus...FWIW:

Anyone who wants to enter the USA and also from any country he comes, has recently been obliged to state if and if so, which social media (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, You Tube etc. .... but also something like this forum here !) In the internet are used!

There is already an impertinence in itself and leverages data protection ... because these things do not matter to anyone!

Now comes the coronation of impudence, because the Trump administration wants to have in the future also the passwords and complete registration data, otherwise there is no entry permit!

Reason: If you have nothing to hide, give the data if he wants to enter the US ... even if it is only for a week vacation!

That since Bush Jr. data protection in the US was killed is not new, but that is now the coronation!
Is slow time that the world wakes up and sees what criminal idiots sit in the White House now ...

And yes ... for sure will some of the righty Trump followers now cheer for it, but hey ... maybe the rest of the world is then doing the same for US people to allow their entry? Will you give these requested data to any foreign government?

P.S.
And if I simply have no Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc. account which is still wiretapped by the NSA as we all know, will I be get a water boarding to force me to register there ... so that I then give requested data?

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...cebook-twitter (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/28/us-customs-border-protection-social-media-accounts-facebook-twitter)

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/22/1...cebook-twitter (http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/22/14066082/us-customs-border-patrol-social-media-account-facebook-twitter)

[nic34]

Good thing we had "smart" people on the court so the cops would have to get a warrant before asking for your phone and password.

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/supreme-court-riley-california-united-states-wurie-cellphone-warrant-warrantless-search-police/

[MisterVeritis]

Good thing we had "smart" people on the court so the cops would have to get a warrant before asking for your phone and password.

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/supreme-court-riley-california-united-states-wurie-cellphone-warrant-warrantless-search-police/
Those who fail to cooperate cannot come in. :grin:

[birddog]

Mister V, when i was a wee lad, my old great uncle and I sat on the steps of his huge creole cottage watching my brother try to kill a skunk with a long stick. The stick was not nearly long enough and the inevitable happened :-)
The old man turned to me and said, "T-Hawk, it's way better to be smart and act dumb , than it is to be dumb and act smart".

I've held that philosophy close for almost 50 years since.

Great philosophy, some around here have accused me of being dumb, little do they know.

My main reason for posting was to inform you that I love your avatar. :cheers:

[Cthulhu]

The Berlin Wall came down, did it not? And, people were so willing to get over that wall, they would make hot air balloons out of old clothes and sail over it.

Today, a few Mexicans armed with cordless drills can breach that wall within a half an hour. Either people will cross borders or troops will. The tale of the Trojan Horse should have reminded you of that.

You need to rethink this whole thing - Open borders for free trade - NOT CITIZENSHIP.

Um... No.

I work with concrete for a living. Even with Jack hammers, impact drivers, diamond saws, drills and such, it takes more than 30 minutes to breach a hole for a man to get through. Pending thickness of course, and the amount of rebar present.

Then again, I tear down some big stuff with the tools we have. It takes longer. But hey, I could be wrong.

Using explosives is another story...

Berlin Wall came down because the Soviets gave up on it. It was very effective. It was also patrolled and well manned.



Fear profits a man nothing.

[Scrounger]

Um... No.

I work with concrete for a living. Even with Jack hammers, impact drivers, diamond saws, drills and such, it takes more than 30 minutes to breach a hole for a man to get through. Pending thickness of course, and the amount of rebar present.

Then again, I tear down some big stuff with the tools we have. It takes longer. But hey, I could be wrong.

Using explosives is another story...

Berlin Wall came down because the Soviets gave up on it. It was very effective. It was also patrolled and well manned.



Fear profits a man nothing.

Regardless of what you work in, a few weeks ago I stopped by a garage owned by a couple of guys that I had helped with immigration papers some years ago. One of them showed me a large cordless drill and he showed me some holes he had bore into the floor and cemented some lengths of chain into. I have no idea what the links of chain cemented in the floor were for, but they were there.

He said each hole (about 4" in diameter and 8" thick) took less than ten minutes each to make.

Either way, tools, knowledge and technology have come a long way - and that possibility is, by far, my weakest example. Let me do another posting I've done more than 100 times on various boards. To date NOBODY has fathomed a real response to.

[Scrounger]

The anti-immigrant lobby is all about this deportation crap and a silly wall. I double over in laughter at you. As the Supreme Court acknowledges, it is up to immigration officials to decide whether or not to deport. So, why would they not deport?

Let's say Jose has three American born children. They are Americans. Jose is working. So, we deport him and put his children into foster care to pay for their food, clothing, shelter, and medicine??? At what benefit to society? Oh, I got ya... And I got your answer. You would deport Jose AND his American born children...

That works out for a few years until all those babies show up at Trump's "Big Beautiful Door" with their Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops, "Social Security Numbers," Birth Certificate, National ID Card, etc. and demand entry. They're Americans and you have no choice.

And they pour in by the MILLIONS. Now, they have no education, no family support system, no job skills, and many may no longer speak English. What are you going to do with them? You're pretty well screwed because you haven't thought this through. I'm just giving you the basics...

WHEN all the above happens, and taxpayers are out TRILLIONS for lawyers to litigate this (yep, the Mexican Americans will get taxpayer paid attorneys) not to mention welfare, training, relocation, etc. it will make you remember I was the thorn in your side, telling you this is a BAD idea. I have solutions - you haven't considered the long term ramifications - and I fear you won't.

[Cthulhu]

Regardless of what you work in, a few weeks ago I stopped by a garage owned by a couple of guys that I had helped with immigration papers some years ago. One of them showed me a large cordless drill and he showed me some holes he had bore into the floor and cemented some lengths of chain into. I have no idea what the links of chain cemented in the floor were for, but they were there.

He said each hole (about 4" in diameter and 8" thick) took less than ten minutes each to make.

Either way, tools, knowledge and technology have come a long way - and that possibility is, by far, my weakest example. Let me do another posting I've done more than 100 times on various boards. To date NOBODY has fathomed a real response to.
The tactic works great on an unpatrolled ornament. Try that in East Germany and you'd be shot on site.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[Peter1469]

The tactic works great on an unpatrolled ornament. Try that in East Germany and you'd be shot on site.

Fear profits a man nothing.

Those who oppose borders will come up with all sorts of reasons to oppose controlling the border. They lost the last election....

[Croft]

The Israelis are at war; I just told you that every wall in history has been breached. So, what is your real point?

You are advocating putting up a wall to restrain free trade, not protect from armed invaders. I know it's a big freaking surprise to you and the guys who slap you on the back, but we are not at war with Mexico. Those people are here because we invited them here.

America wanted to make this big show about equality, freedom and opportunity. Our "Welcome Mat" even states:

“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We willingly hire, buy from, sell to, rent to, and otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. It is a mutual and financially beneficial arrangement.

Today, the National Socialists have overtaken this discussion and all I see is NS propaganda with some posters harping on what they see as the strengths of their case while avoiding the hard questions. For example:

The Declaration of Independence says:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

So, you mean now we do not have unalienable Rights? The NS among you traded those in for inalienable rights... they think they can't exist without a government God. At the end of the day, you don't give a sh!+ about Freedom, Liberty or unalienable Rights, do you? Or do you think that government grants Rights?
You better go tell the Israelis their wall will be breached. I bet they tell you to take a hike because I'm sure they're very pleased with the results.
Your whole comment is a big weird rant about National Socialists, the Constitution, Inalienable Rights etc. You've lost me.
The wall is about the rule of LAW. Millions coming through Ellis Island were being vetted and obeying the law. Millions just walking in were most certainly not invited by the American people who in fact hated it. They just walked in because America's rulers let them instead of stopping them which was their actual responsibility.
Having a wall doesn't curtail the American people's rights or freedoms. It stops people from breaking the law. And I'm sure there will still be trade.

[Cthulhu]

Those who oppose borders will come up with all sorts of reasons to oppose controlling the border. They lost the last election....
What I don't get is that if a wall is so pointless, why bother opposing it? It can't costs alone.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[MisterVeritis]

What I don't get is that if a wall is so pointless, why bother opposing it? It can't costs alone.

It stops the flow of new voters for the Democratic Party.

[kilgram]

Hopefully Mexico and other latin countries will be picking up the expense in the next few years.
Why should they?

It is an American thing in American lands and it should be paid only by American money. You want a wall, pay it yourselves :-D

[MisterVeritis]

Why should they?
It is an American thing in American lands and it should be paid only by American money. You want a wall, pay it yourselves :-D
We can be creative. We can add a visa fee for every inbound Mexican. We can tax the money the illegals and others wire out of the country. We can charge the origin country a fee when we send illegals back to them.

[Scrounger]

Those who oppose borders will come up with all sorts of reasons to oppose controlling the border. They lost the last election....

Only being able to offer cowardly commentary, I see you took the easy way out. I repeat:

The anti-immigrant lobby is all about this deportation crap and a silly wall. I double over in laughter at you. As the Supreme Court acknowledges, it is up to immigration officials to decide whether or not to deport. So, why would they not deport?

Let's say Jose has three American born children. They are Americans. Jose is working. So, we deport him and put his children into foster care to pay for their food, clothing, shelter, and medicine??? At what benefit to society? Oh, I got ya... And I got your answer. You would deport Jose AND his American born children...

That works out for a few years until all those babies show up at Trump's "Big Beautiful Door" with their Socialist Surveillance Numbers ...ooops, "Social Security Numbers," Birth Certificate, National ID Card, etc. and demand entry. They're Americans and you have no choice.

And they pour in by the MILLIONS. Now, they have no education, no family support system, no job skills, and many may no longer speak English. What are you going to do with them? You're pretty well screwed because you haven't thought this through. I'm just giving you the basics...

WHEN all the above happens, and taxpayers are out TRILLIONS for lawyers to litigate this (yep, the Mexican Americans will get taxpayer paid attorneys) not to mention welfare, training, relocation, etc. it will make you remember I was the thorn in your side, telling you this is a BAD idea. I have solutions - you haven't considered the long term ramifications - and I fear you won't.
Got no answer do you? Figures.

the loss of Liberties; the gutting of our Constitution; Hitler's tattoo idea of steroids; the 24 / 7 / 365 womb to the tomb surveillance, the evisceration of the Fourth Amendment, loss of property Rights, loss of privacy Rights, eminent domain abuse and the POLICE STATE... some people are too blind and silly to open their eyes and have a rational discussion while they are drunk on power and being led like sheep by Goldman Sachs and their orange lap dog.

[Peter1469]

We can be creative. We can add a visa fee for every inbound Mexican. We can tax the money the illegals and others wire out of the country. We can charge the origin country a fee when we send illegals back to them.

Taxing the remittances is the best bet. That can't be passed on to American consumers like a tariff.

[Peter1469]

Only being able to offer cowardly commentary, I see you took the easy way out.


Watch your mouth. Understand?

[Scrounger]

Unable to respond to post # 106 the brave (NOT) anti-immigrant lobby abandons the thread.

Along with their almighty wall come the usual attacks via eminent domain abuse as government seizes private property that people don't want to sell. Oh, that's where this whole issue started when civilian border patrols were being used to protect private property to the chagrin of Uncle Scam.

Today, those people who defended private property are turning their backs and joining forces with the Establishment... Goldman Sachs and the orange man. Instead of Americans protecting their private property, we will have the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security and those ninja clad federal mercenaries of the POLICE STATE doing the job American citizens could do better and cheaper - and without a wall!

[Scrounger]

Watch your mouth. Understand?

I did watch it. Amazingly, it was saying the same thing my fingers did. Funny how that works, huh?

[Crepitus]

Watch your mouth. Understand?

Is that threat Pete?

[resister]

Is that threat Pete?
^ an "a" goes in there some where, not that it is my business.....:rollseyes:

[Scrounger]

We're getting off the topic and posts # 106 and # 109 are going unanswered.

We very well may ignore them because the build the wall guys are so cocksure they're "winning," but they don't want you to know the real price. Since they cannot defend their position - just saying...

[Casper]

It tells me you are an observer, not a participant.
So even though I participated in the voting I am an observer because I refused to endorse either Trump or Hillary, hmmm, maybe in your Point of View, not mine.

[Casper]

We can be creative. We can add a visa fee for every inbound Mexican. We can tax the money the illegals and others wire out of the country. We can charge the origin country a fee when we send illegals back to them.
Sounds good until one realizes they already pay a fee for visas, once they learn to use pay pal you are going to collect nothing and Mexico will simply not pay the charges. Opps

[resister]

Oops is when you spell oops as opps! Ooppsy :tongue:

[Peter1469]

Is that threat Pete?


It is a statement. Why?

[MisterVeritis]

So even though I participated in the voting I am an observer because I refused to endorse either Trump or Hillary, hmmm, maybe in your Point of View, not mine.
Yes, you are an observer. And after the fact, you can criticize and point fingers. I am sure you will.

[MisterVeritis]

Sounds good until one realizes they already pay a fee for visas, once they learn to use pay pal you are going to collect nothing and Mexico will simply not pay the charges. Opps
This makes me smile. Actually it makes me laugh.

Opps (whatever that means) indeed.

[Crepitus]

It is a statement. Why?

Because it sounds like an awfully threatening statement.

Those are kinda frowned upon here.

[Scrounger]

Building that wall -

Sometimes I think people don't want to discuss the topic of the OP. Fear? Ignorance? Arrogance in the instant case? A lawyer once said he twice felt ruined in his life - once when he lost a lawsuit and once when he won one.

We're most grown adults (or so I would presume) on these boards. Sometimes you don't know who you're dealing with. What has urinated me off more than anything here is asking questions only to have the single agenda regulars try to denigrate me for asking questions and posing the inevitable scenarios. It is going to happen.

Most cannot decide whether we're trying to solve an issue with immigration, crime, or National Security with this wall business. You only think that we're getting rid of little brown people - wham, bam, thank you mam... we're done. That might be your approach to sex, but it don't work when it comes to issues of Freedom and Liberty.

IF anyone of you had friends who had been mowed down by federal mercenaries, you might have a different opinion about government in general. If you had loved ones threatened by the LEO community - or if you had your own Life, Liberty or Freedom endangered by the over-reach of tyrannical government, you might be able to relate to the questions I ask. But know this: EVERYTHING has a price - and all that glitters is not gold.

I find it personally appalling that those without the experience of having to weigh the costs other than nickels and dimes to ignore the questions I'm bringing to this discussion. Most of you don't realize that the same people who brought you the so - called "Patriot Act" are the same people who backed the wall idea.

The so - called "Patriot Act" was supposedly aimed at foreign terrorists, yet its provisions were used against Americans more times than they were against foreigners. With the tools and the precedents it will take to enforce the nutty wall idea, I clearly see that pattern happening again - as it did to us via the so - called "Patriot Act." KNOWING firsthand what happened in the past, it becomes a duty and an obligation to question how far you have thought this through.

[MisterVeritis]

We're getting off the topic and posts # 106 and # 109 are going unanswered.

We very well may ignore them because the build the wall guys are so cocksure they're "winning," but they don't want you to know the real price. Since they cannot defend their position - just saying...
We won. We will have a wall. And Mexico will pay for it.

[Common Sense]

We won. We will have a wall. And Mexico will pay for it.

No they wont. You'll all end up paying for it.

[MisterVeritis]

No they wont. You'll all end up paying for it.
This is progress. You finally accept we will have a wall.

And Mexico will pay for it. You will come around once it is clear Mexico is paying for it. Of course, just like Trump's nomination win followed by his general election win you will be left wondering what happened. It is okay. For some people it is the role they play in life.

[Common Sense]

This is progress. You finally accept we will have a wall.

And Mexico will pay for it. You will come around once it is clear Mexico is paying for it. Of course, just like Trump's nomination win followed by his general election win you will be left wondering what happened. It is okay. For some people it is the role they play in life.

I doubt it will be the contiguous wall that he has promised. I'm sure there might be some symbolic sections that will help you all sleep better at night.

[MisterVeritis]

I doubt it will be the contiguous wall that he has promised. I'm sure there might be some symbolic sections that will help you all sleep better at night.
If it makes you feel better that we won't put up a wall where one is not needed that is fine with me. We need to end the constant flow of democratic voters into the US from the third world. Trump's wall is one portion of a complete solution.

[Peter1469]

Because it sounds like an awfully threatening statement.

Those are kinda frowned upon here.

It threatens nothing. Effectively when a post starts with an insult I stop reading. I have no idea what was after the childish insult. If he watched his mouth that wouldn't be a problem.

Does that help?

Yes, or no.

[Peter1469]

The Globalists lost Brexit. Trumpslide got them. Next up France, Italy, then Germany.

Borders matter to the majority.

[Casper]

We won. We will have a wall. And Mexico will pay for it.
Yes you did. Sorta. Nope, not gonna happen.

[MisterVeritis]

We won. We will have a wall. And Mexico will pay for it.

Yes you did. Sorta. Nope, not gonna happen.
We can agree to disagree while we watch it happen.

[Casper]

This is progress. You finally accept we will have a wall.

And Mexico will pay for it. You will come around once it is clear Mexico is paying for it. Of course, just like Trump's nomination win followed by his general election win you will be left wondering what happened. It is okay. For some people it is the role they play in life.

Let us know when this miracle happens, until then We pay for it.

[MisterVeritis]

And Mexico will pay for it. You will come around once it is clear Mexico is paying for it.

Let us know when this miracle happens, until then We pay for it.
There will be no need to let you know. If you pay attention you will see it.

[Casper]

And Mexico will pay for it. You will come around once it is clear Mexico is paying for it.

There will be no need to let you know. If you pay attention you will see it.

I won't be holding my breath in anticipation.

[MisterVeritis]

I won't be holding my breath in anticipation.
It would make it more fun if you did.

[Scrounger]

Mexico will pay for the wall with money they get from the Americans pocket. They will pay with American taxpayers money.

We will pay via lost Liberties, Freedoms and a gutting of our Constitution.