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Bethere
02-13-2017, 11:00 PM
Wow.
Jon Passantino
@passantino (https://mobile.twitter.com/passantino)
BREAKING: Flynn resigns, CNN reports10:55 PM · Feb 13, 2017 (https://mobile.twitter.com/passantino/status/831351062254673920)
Crepitus
02-13-2017, 11:05 PM
Wow indeed. Figured it was coming but that was fast.
Bethere
02-13-2017, 11:07 PM
Wow indeed. Figured it was coming but that was fast.
Flynn's in trouble. Word is we have had those conversations on tape, also transcripts, all along.
Crepitus
02-13-2017, 11:10 PM
Flynn's in trouble. Word is we have had those conversations on tape, also transcripts, all along.
That is my understanding as well.
The republican dominos begin to topple.........
Beevee
02-13-2017, 11:10 PM
So, let's understand this.
Flynn contacts the Russians prior to Trump taking the oath of office and asks them to not retaliate over the Obama expulsions with a purported promise that Trump will lift some sanctions.
Russia claims that Flynn did not discuss the matter.
Flynn resigns which indicates the opposite.
So, the Russians were lying.
And it wouldn't have been the first time either because their claim they were not involved in the election no longer has any validity.
Trump, of course was not aware of any of it and Republican's have the gall to claim Obama was incompetent.
It's a farce. With Trump as the farce in chief.
Bethere
02-13-2017, 11:13 PM
That is my understanding as well.
The republican dominos begin to topple.........
General (see a pattern?) Keith Kellogg was named as replacement.
Bethere
02-13-2017, 11:16 PM
So, let's understand this.
Flynn contacts the Russians prior to Trump taking the oath of office and asks them to not retaliate over the Obama expulsions with a purported promise that Trump will lift some sanctions.
Russia claims that Flynn did not discuss the matter.
Flynn resigns which indicates the opposite.
So, the Russians were lying.
And it wouldn't have been the first time either because their claim they were not involved in the election no longer has any validity.
Trump, of course was not aware of any of it and Republican's have the gall to claim Obama was incompetent.
It's a farce. With Trump as the farce in chief.
It certainly is harder to make the case that we are overreacting when we say that it is obvious that trump and the rnc are being blackmailed.
Tahuyaman
02-13-2017, 11:16 PM
That is my understanding as well.
The republican dominos begin to topple.........
Lol..... Nothing is tumbling. I know you partisan Democrats will think that this is going to bring down the Trump administration, but it just isn't so.
Crepitus
02-13-2017, 11:17 PM
Is this the shortest NSA career ever?
Bethere
02-13-2017, 11:19 PM
Is this the shortest NSA career ever?
It has to be.
Bethere
02-13-2017, 11:20 PM
Lol..... Nothing is tumbling. I know you partisan Democrats will think that this is going to bring down the Trump administration, but it just isn't so.
Obviously there is a major investigation afoot.
Trump should be concerned.
Dr. Who
02-13-2017, 11:27 PM
Lol..... Nothing is tumbling. I know you partisan Democrats will think that this is going to bring down the Trump administration, but it just isn't so.
Just curious, but why do you think Flynn resigned? He says:
"Unfortunately, because of the fast pace of events, I inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador. I have sincerely apologized to the President and the Vice President, and they have accepted my apology." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/feb/14/flynn-resigns-donald-trump-national-security-adviser-russia-links-live
I don't know, but that sounds to me like someone taking one for the team.
Cletus
02-13-2017, 11:35 PM
General (see a pattern?) Keith Kellogg was named as replacement.
This is why I read your posts. You are invariably good for a shake of the head and a laugh.
The Director of the NSA is by regulation a position for a commissioned military officer. It is ALWAYS a general or admiral.
Crepitus
02-13-2017, 11:39 PM
Lol..... Nothing is tumbling. I know you partisan Democrats will think that this is going to bring down the Trump administration, but it just isn't so.
I thought you weren't a trumpkin? Why so defensive?
Bethere
02-13-2017, 11:39 PM
This is why I read your posts. You are invariably good for a shake of the head and a laugh.
The Director of the NSA is by regulation a position for a commissioned military officer. It is ALWAYS a general or admiral.
Always personal, always on attack, you aren't a constructive poster.
Cletus
02-13-2017, 11:46 PM
Always personal, always on attack, you aren't a constructive poster.
Quit whining and get better. If you were better informed and more honest and didn't post such foolishness so often, there would be no reason to laugh at you.
Tahuyaman
02-13-2017, 11:47 PM
Obviously there is a major investigation afoot.
Trump should be concerned.
Wishfull thinking.
You guys are pinning your hopes on something which isn't going to hapoen.
Tahuyaman
02-13-2017, 11:49 PM
I thought you weren't a trumpkin? Why so defensive?
Defensive? How so? You're delusional.
Crepitus
02-13-2017, 11:51 PM
Defensive? How so? You're delusional.
Lol. That isn't an answer.
Tahuyaman
02-13-2017, 11:52 PM
Just curious, but why do you think Flynn resigned? He says:
"Unfortunately, because of the fast pace of events, I inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador. I have sincerely apologized to the President and the Vice President, and they have accepted my apology." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/feb/14/flynn-resigns-donald-trump-national-security-adviser-russia-links-live
I don't know, but that sounds to me like someone taking one for the team.
He resigned because he lied to his boss.
Had he been up front and honest from the start, nothing would have become of this.
Tahuyaman
02-13-2017, 11:53 PM
Lol. That isn't an answer.
Having a firm grasp of reality isn't being defensive. Again, you're delusional.
Tahuyaman
02-13-2017, 11:55 PM
If you partisan hacks think this is going to bring down the Trump administration, you are fooling yourself.
We've seen another administration appoint a tax cheat as the treasury secretary and nominate someone to the Supreme Court who knowingly hired illegal aliens as domestic servants.
This isn't going to phase Trump in any way. He'll just appoint another former general officer who's just as objectionable to the left as Flynn was. Maybe even more objectionable. Who knows, he might tag Patraeus? That'll cause liberals to vapor lock.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 12:02 AM
Having a firm grasp of reality isn't being defensive. Again, you're delusional.
So why are you so defensive then?
Bethere
02-14-2017, 12:03 AM
So why are you so defensive then?
A fascinating question!
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 12:05 AM
A fascinating question!
Is it possible he really doesn't see it?
Beevee
02-14-2017, 12:06 AM
He resigned because he lied to his boss.
Had he been up front and honest from the start, nothing would have become of this.
Nothing being that Flynn, of his own volition, contacted the Russians with a deal he had no authority to make? And the Russians, knowing that he had no authority chose to hold back on retaliation and the easing of sanctions?
If Pence was in the dark, where did the instructions come from?
KellyAnne Conway? DeVos? Uncle Tom?
Anyone but Trump of course because he hasn't made a false step in his life.
I wonder which of his minions will be the next sacrificial lamb?
Bethere
02-14-2017, 12:07 AM
Is it possible he really doesn't see it?
Well bomb chick kelly said that Flynn had trump's uptmost confidence. So there's no way any of it could be true. Kelly wouldn't lie
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:09 AM
Flynn lied to his boss and he was given the opportunity to resign. Do you partisan hacks really think this is going to bring down the Trump administration?
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:12 AM
So why are you so defensive then?
Are you for real?
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:14 AM
Nothing being that Flynn, of his own volition, contacted the Russians with a deal he had no authority to make? And the Russians, knowing that he had no authority chose to hold back on retaliation and the easing of sanctions?
If Pence was in the dark, where did the instructions come from?
KellyAnne Conway? DeVos? Uncle Tom?
Anyone but Trump of course because he hasn't made a false step in his life.
I wonder which of his minions will be the next sacrificial lamb?
You guys are forcing yourselves into being conspiracy theorists of unprecedented levels.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 12:16 AM
Are you for real?
Are you?
jimmyz
02-14-2017, 12:24 AM
Leftist fistists are going to hate his replacement. So much wasted tissue in their waste cans. lol
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:25 AM
So why are you so defensive then?
A fascinating question!
Is it possible he really doesn't see it?
Are you for real?
Are you?
You two are seeing something which isn't there. But then that's not unusual.
Captain Obvious
02-14-2017, 12:33 AM
That is my understanding as well.
The republican dominos begin to topple.........
They've been toppling since over a year ago when Trump announced his candidacy.
I'll file this one with the mountain of other claims of doom.
Next...
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 12:35 AM
Always personal, always on attack, you aren't a constructive poster.
And you're just Mister Innocent... :rollseyes:
decedent
02-14-2017, 12:36 AM
Flynn's in trouble. Word is we have had those conversations on tape, also transcripts, all along.
I wonder what "tough on crime" and "law and order" Trump will do about this. A resignation doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 12:38 AM
I'm glad he's gone. Flynn's theatrics with regards to Iran were extremely worrisome and counterproductive. Granted, Trump will probably replace him with another anti-Iranian hawk, but it's still nice to see Flynn go.
Bethere
02-14-2017, 12:58 AM
I'm glad he's gone. Flynn's theatrics with regards to Iran were extremely worrisome and counterproductive. Granted, Trump will probably replace him with another anti-Iranian hawk, but it's still nice to see Flynn go.
Gen. Keith Kellogg.
AZ Jim
02-14-2017, 12:58 AM
Flynn lied to his boss and he was given the opportunity to resign. Do you partisan hacks really think this is going to bring down the Trump administration?My My, you seem a little upset.
AZ Jim
02-14-2017, 01:19 AM
I bet trump is making his organization chart out in erasable pencil.
Dr. Who
02-14-2017, 01:27 AM
He resigned because he lied to his boss.
Had he been up front and honest from the start, nothing would have become of this.
IMHO, were that true, he would have been publically castigated and thrown to the wolves as an example of Trump's transparency as the un-politician. Trump suffers no disloyalty, fools or disagreement.
Safety
02-14-2017, 02:35 AM
Obviously there is a major investigation afoot.
Trump should be concerned.
So, when all the right wings here were talking about how smooth a character Putin was to not react to Obama's pulling out of the people due to the involvement of Russia in our elections, they were basically speaking to how Flynn told Russia to not worry and be patient. Wow, how many here constantly denied any involvement by Russia in our elections? So much for America first, no?
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 04:05 AM
So, when all the right wings here were talking about how smooth a character Putin was to not react to Obama's pulling out of the people due to the involvement of Russia in our elections, they were basically speaking to how Flynn told Russia to not worry and be patient. Wow, how many here constantly denied any involvement by Russia in our elections? So much for America first, no?
Some people seem far more concerned with "Democrat party first" which is why they keep trying to distract from their corruption by bringing up Russian "involvement" in the elections. They'd rather talk about something that hasn't been proven instead of the demonstrable corruption that was exposed in the DNC who rigged their primary and the Clintons who colluded with the media to skew their coverage, among other things.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 04:14 AM
I've been asking this question for months and still haven't gotten a good answer: How is exposing the corruption and duplicity of a political party a threat to America? Are we supposed to believe that American democracy is better served by hiding political corruption? Some seem to think so.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 04:18 AM
What does it say about people who think a better informed electorate is a threat to the country?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 05:03 AM
Flynn's in trouble. Word is we have had those conversations on tape, also transcripts, all along.
Look at how far we have come. The Obama administration spied on a private citizen, probably around the clock. No doubt the Obama Administration spied on everybody who played a role or might play a role in the Trump administration. And that is okay, isn't it?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 05:07 AM
I bet trump is making his organization chart out in erasable pencil.
We use computers these days.
Cletus
02-14-2017, 05:38 AM
So, when all the right wings here were talking about how smooth a character Putin was to not react to Obama's pulling out of the people due to the involvement of Russia in our elections, they were basically speaking to how Flynn told Russia to not worry and be patient. Wow, how many here constantly denied any involvement by Russia in our elections? So much for America first, no?
Present your evidence that Russia changed or otherwise determined a single vote.
Peter1469
02-14-2017, 05:41 AM
My ex-wife worked for the dude for years- she said he was a dick.
Safety
02-14-2017, 05:53 AM
Some people seem far more concerned with "Democrat party first" which is why they keep trying to distract from their corruption by bringing up Russian "involvement" in the elections. They'd rather talk about something that hasn't been proven instead of the demonstrable corruption that was exposed in the DNC who rigged their primary and the Clintons who colluded with the media to skew their coverage, among other things.
Ok. Let's say you are right...so? Do you see those who are "Democrat party first" constantly flood the forum with sound bites about how "un-American" a president was, or how they are so ready to have a president that will put America first, or how it's time America was made great again? No, I didn't think so either, so please fly your red-herring in another direction, because I don't care for the distraction.
Safety
02-14-2017, 05:55 AM
Present your evidence that Russia changed or otherwise determined a single vote.
How about this...I'll present evidence that Russia changed or otherwise determined a single vote, when you present evidence that millions of illegals voted for Clinton. Deal?
Cletus
02-14-2017, 05:56 AM
How about this...I'll present evidence that Russia changed or otherwise determined a single vote, when you present evidence that millions of illegals voted for Clinton. Deal?
I never made that claim.
Now, can you support yours or are you just blowing smoke?
Beevee
02-14-2017, 06:17 AM
Flynn lied to his boss and he was given the opportunity to resign. Do you partisan hacks really think this is going to bring down the Trump administration?
So this is your admittance that Trump is not the invincible you thought he was?
Beevee
02-14-2017, 06:20 AM
If you partisan hacks think this is going to bring down the Trump administration, you are fooling yourself.
We've seen another administration appoint a tax cheat as the treasury secretary and nominate someone to the Supreme Court who knowingly hired illegal aliens as domestic servants.
This isn't going to phase Trump in any way. He'll just appoint another former general officer who's just as objectionable to the left as Flynn was. Maybe even more objectionable. Who knows, he might tag Patraeus? That'll cause liberals to vapor lock.
Probably, since he will continue to pick rotten fruit as he has never in his life discovered what fresh fruit is and the quality of it.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 06:24 AM
He resigned because he lied to his boss.
Had he been up front and honest from the start, nothing would have become of this.
Why tell the truth to someone incapable of recognizing it?
When did Trump last tell the truth? Even he can't answer that.
Safety
02-14-2017, 06:30 AM
I never made that claim.
Now, can you support yours or are you just blowing smoke?
Where did I say Russia changed a vote, then? If you want to play semantics, I'll play along also.
NapRover
02-14-2017, 07:02 AM
So, let's understand this.
Flynn contacts the Russians prior to Trump taking the oath of office and asks them to not retaliate over the Obama expulsions with a purported promise that Trump will lift some sanctions.
Russia claims that Flynn did not discuss the matter.
Flynn resigns which indicates the opposite.
So, the Russians were lying.
And it wouldn't have been the first time either because their claim they were not involved in the election no longer has any validity.
Trump, of course was not aware of any of it and Republican's have the gall to claim Obama was incompetent.
It's a farce. With Trump as the farce in chief.
Unless we know exactly how many Russians voted fir Trump illegally, the Russians had nothing to do with the elections.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 07:05 AM
Perception is everything.
Trump lacks it in spades.
donttread
02-14-2017, 07:11 AM
Wow indeed. Figured it was coming but that was fast.
Meaningless unless he takes his "spy on Americans" Orwellian program with him
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 07:15 AM
You two are seeing something which isn't there. But then that's not unusual.
No, we aren't. We are seeing you get all defensive every time anyone says anything bad about the Orange One or any of his loyal Trumpkins. I'm guessing you genuinely don't realize it so with all due respect I suggest you re-evaluate your claim of non-partisanship.
Adelaide
02-14-2017, 07:18 AM
Nothing being that Flynn, of his own volition, contacted the Russians with a deal he had no authority to make? And the Russians, knowing that he had no authority chose to hold back on retaliation and the easing of sanctions?
If Pence was in the dark, where did the instructions come from?
KellyAnne Conway? DeVos? Uncle Tom?
Anyone but Trump of course because he hasn't made a false step in his life.
I wonder which of his minions will be the next sacrificial lamb?
Word is, it will be Reince Priebus.
Safety
02-14-2017, 07:25 AM
Unless we know exactly how many Russians voted fir Trump illegally, the Russians had nothing to do with the elections.
Well, the problem is, Russia helped Trump win. Everyone here and on Mars knows if they had done everything they did for Trump, and instead did it for Clinton or some other faction had, the right would be all painted up with their Wolverine t-shirts and AR-15 in each hand ready to fight the Reds. The whole "Unless we know exactly how many Russians voted fir (sp) Trump illegally" or "how many votes did Russia sway in the election", would never be uttered.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 07:34 AM
Some people seem far more concerned with "Democrat party first" which is why they keep trying to distract from their corruption by bringing up Russian "involvement" in the elections. They'd rather talk about something that hasn't been proven instead of the demonstrable corruption that was exposed in the DNC who rigged their primary and the Clintons who colluded with the media to skew their coverage, among other things.
This has now been proven. All the accusations will be soon.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 07:39 AM
Word is, it will be Reince Priebus.
Wonder how far this will go?
Who will be next?
Beware!
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Ransom
02-14-2017, 08:13 AM
Well, the problem is, Russia helped Trump win. Everyone here and on Mars knows if they had done everything they did for Trump, and instead did it for Clinton or some other faction had, the right would be all painted up with their Wolverine t-shirts and AR-15 in each hand ready to fight the Reds. The whole "Unless we know exactly how many Russians voted fir (sp) Trump illegally" or "how many votes did Russia sway in the election", would never be uttered.
You got me. I admit it. I was wrong and stand corrected. Your blatant victim mentality and disingenuous nonsense I always thought came from Jupiter.
I was way off.
Ransom
02-14-2017, 08:15 AM
Wonder how far this will go?
Who will be next?
Beware!
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I think you're still butthurt Hillary was first.
Ransom
02-14-2017, 08:17 AM
Well, the problem is, Russia helped Trump win. Everyone here and on Mars knows if they had done everything they did for Trump, and instead did it for Clinton or some other faction had, the right would be all painted up with their Wolverine t-shirts and AR-15 in each hand ready to fight the Reds. The whole "Unless we know exactly how many Russians voted fir (sp) Trump illegally" or "how many votes did Russia sway in the election", would never be uttered.
Safety, I think you should change your avatar name to Linda Ronstadt.
Poor poor pitiful me
Poor poor pitful me
These Republicans won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 08:23 AM
I think you're still butthurt Hillary was first.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/NrmC4edJ4vaJa/200.gif#16
Safety
02-14-2017, 08:23 AM
Safety, I think you should change your avatar name to Linda Ronstadt.
Poor poor pitiful me
Poor poor pitful me
These Republicans won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me
I'll change mine, when you change yours to Rosie O'donnell.
This is why I read your posts. You are invariably good for a shake of the head and a laugh.
The Director of the NSA is by regulation a position for a commissioned military officer. It is ALWAYS a general or admiral.
yes, who could ever forget henry kissinger's stint as saceur prior to becoming nixon's nsa?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
Bethere
02-14-2017, 08:51 AM
yes, who could ever forget henry kissinger's stint as saceur prior to becoming nixon's nsa?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
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DGUtley
02-14-2017, 08:52 AM
Well, the problem is, Russia helped Trump win. Everyone here and on Mars knows if they had done everything they did for Trump, and instead did it for Clinton or some other faction had, the right would be all painted up with their Wolverine t-shirts and AR-15 in each hand ready to fight the Reds. The whole "Unless we know exactly how many Russians voted fir (sp) Trump illegally" or "how many votes did Russia sway in the election", would never be uttered.
This shows how little you really know. We'd never ever ever ever ever be caught dead in a Wolverine t-shirt. C'mon man.
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Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:00 AM
Always personal, always on attack, you aren't a constructive poster.
I think it's always constructive to point out silly mistakes that are utilized to paste together a false narrative.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:03 AM
You two are seeing something which isn't there. But then that's not unusual.
Oh, they don't see it either. This tactic is simply a new form of trolling, or crying racism when none exists.
It's an Alinsky tactic to attempt to shut up an antagonist to their ideology.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:07 AM
My My, you seem a little upset.
The tactic attracts the usual suspects like pigeons to popcorn.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:08 AM
So, when all the right wings here were talking about how smooth a character Putin was to not react to Obama's pulling out of the people due to the involvement of Russia in our elections, they were basically speaking to how Flynn told Russia to not worry and be patient. Wow, how many here constantly denied any involvement by Russia in our elections? So much for America first, no?
Like how Obama was inadvertently caught on a hot mic telling the Russians he'd have more flexibility once he was re-elected?
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 09:09 AM
Oh, they don't see it either. This tactic is simply a new form of trolling, or crying racism when none exists.
It's an Alinsky tactic to attempt to shut up an antagonist to their ideology.
https://i.imgflip.com/d3auh.jpg
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:10 AM
Like how Obama was inadvertently caught on a hot mic telling the Russians he'd have more flexibility once he was re-elected?
So you do remember?
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:15 AM
So you do remember?
Remember Obama doing something that you said nothing about while getting up in arms about a similar thing happening with the Trump Administration?
Yes. It's the reason I point out the hypocrisy.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:16 AM
same tactic
What you're doing isn't debating. It's attempting to squash debate.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 09:23 AM
What you're doing isn't debating. It's attempting to squash debate.
I don't recall posting that, you changed my quote.
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:26 AM
Remember Obama doing something that you said nothing about while getting up in arms about a similar thing happening with the Trump Administration?
Yes. It's the reason I point out the hypocrisy.
Oh...I said nothing? You don't recall me saying how it was good that his underlying intentions were made known? I don't seek to have any secret collusions with other sovereign nations.
exotix
02-14-2017, 09:33 AM
Where's the *Lock 'em Up !* crowd ? ...
I mean right now, we're see'ng Congressional (R) Trump Boot-Lickers trying to jump ship like rats while blaming Obama.
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:35 AM
I don't recall posting that, you changed my quote.
Yep, that seemed like an altered quote from here.
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:37 AM
Where's the *Lock 'em Up !* crowd ? ...
I mean right now, we're see'ng Congressional (R) Trump Boot-Lickers trying to jump ship like rats while blaming Obama.
It was all bullshit. Benghazi, email server, etc., was all faux outrage to prevent a Clinton president.
exotix
02-14-2017, 09:40 AM
It was all bull$#@!. Benghazi, email server, etc., was all faux outrage to prevent a Clinton president.Just In
Hillary Clinton Delivers Wry Response
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/michael-flynn-resigns-hillary-clinton-delivers-wry-response-n720526
http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1487083415/4_rorewc.png
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:43 AM
Ok. Let's say you are right...so?
So your implication that Russia was "involved" in our election is a distraction and a farce.
Do you see those who are "Democrat party first" constantly flood the forum with sound bites about how "un-American" a president was, or how they are so ready to have a president that will put America first, or how it's time America was made great again? No, I didn't think so either, so please fly your red-herring in another direction, because I don't care for the distraction.
No idea what this blather is supposed to mean. But, yes, I have seen plenty of Democrats accusing people of being un-American.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:44 AM
How about this...I'll present evidence that Russia changed or otherwise determined a single vote, when you present evidence that millions of illegals voted for Clinton. Deal?
In other words, you got nothing.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:45 AM
Where did I say Russia changed a vote, then? If you want to play semantics, I'll play along also.
Typical Safety. Throws around suggestive rhetoric about Russian "involvement" in the election and then pretends like he meant something else.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:47 AM
I don't recall posting that, you changed my quote.
I'm saving bandwidth. Your meme was an attack, and mischaracterized circumstances here - and I correctly characterized it. Your tactic wasn't debate: it was an attempt to silence.
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:48 AM
So your implication that Russia was "involved" in our election is a distraction and a farce.
No idea what this blather is supposed to mean. But, yes, I have seen plenty of Democrats accusing people of being un-American.
You don't agree, fine, don't agree. It's only a distraction to those of whom suddenly could care less about outside entities influencing our election process. If you don't care about Russia's involvement/non involvement, then cool, why should anyone listen to the right complain about voter fraud then?
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:48 AM
Well, the problem is, Russia helped Trump win.
You have no proof of that. It's just a DNC talking point meant to distract people from their own corruption and malfeasance. But I'm glad you made your position with regards to Russian "involvement" clear. That way we don't have to dance around the bush while you issue cryptic and suggestive remarks.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:48 AM
Oh...I said nothing? You don't recall me saying how it was good that his underlying intentions were made known? I don't seek to have any secret collusions with other sovereign nations.
No, I don't recall that. Do you have a link?
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:49 AM
Typical Safety. Throws around suggestive rhetoric about Russian "involvement" in the election and then pretends like he meant something else.
Typical Ethereal, tries to attack safety because he doesn't like safety's post.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:49 AM
I don't recall posting that, you changed my quote.
Yes I did. I feel trolling deserves no less. I'm happy to save you from yourself.
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:50 AM
You have no proof of that. It's just a DNC talking point meant to distract people from their own corruption and malfeasance. But I'm glad you made your position with regards to Russian "involvement" clear. That way we don't have to dance around the bush while you issue cryptic and suggestive remarks.
There is no proof of a lot of stuff, but unless an investigation is done, no-one will ever know.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:50 AM
This has now been proven. All the accusations will be soon.
No, it has not been proven. It's just a DNC talking point being laundered through corrupt intelligence agencies whose job is to stoke tensions with Russia and systematically deceive people.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 09:50 AM
Typical Ethereal, tries to attack safety because he doesn't like safety's post.
I guess you're providing insight into how liberals are so easily led? How liberals so easily parrot others? You speaking now in the third person really has no other explanation, does it?
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:51 AM
No, I don't recall that. Do you have a link?
Not doing your work for you. Tighten up.
Safety
02-14-2017, 09:52 AM
I guess you're providing insight into how liberals are so easily led? How liberals so easily parrot others? You speaking now in the third person really has no other explanation, does it?
Are you two going to take turns nipping at my ankles, or will you get down to the cusp of the issue?
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:53 AM
You don't agree, fine, don't agree. It's only a distraction to those of whom suddenly could care less about outside entities influencing our election process. If you don't care about Russia's involvement/non involvement, then cool, why should anyone listen to the right complain about voter fraud then?
It's a distraction because it's unproven and it changes nothing about the nature of the corruption that was exposed. Apparently, some people think American democracy would be better served by keeping Americans in the dark.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:55 AM
Typical Ethereal, tries to attack safety because he doesn't like safety's post.
Safety's post is typical dishonest crap.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:55 AM
There is no proof of a lot of stuff, but unless an investigation is done, no-one will ever know.
My, what a profound observation.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 09:55 AM
I'm saving bandwidth. Your meme was an attack, and mischaracterized circumstances here - and I correctly characterized it. Your tactic wasn't debate: it was an attempt to silence.
Changing quotes is against forum rules.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 09:56 AM
Are you two going to take turns nipping at my ankles, or will you get down to the cusp of the issue?
Responding to your posts on a public forum is "nipping at your ankles"? Since when?
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 09:57 AM
You have no proof of that. It's just a DNC talking point meant to distract people from their own corruption and malfeasance. But I'm glad you made your position with regards to Russian "involvement" clear. That way we don't have to dance around the bush while you issue cryptic and suggestive remarks.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3254239-Russia-Hacking-report.html
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 09:59 AM
No, it has not been proven. It's just a DNC talking point being laundered through corrupt intelligence agencies whose job is to stoke tensions with Russia and systematically deceive people.
Dude, seriously? They caught him red handed. Have him on tape (or electronic equivalent) doing exactly what he said he didn't. It is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Wake up and smell the coffee man!
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:00 AM
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3254239-Russia-Hacking-report.html
UNDERWHELMING INTEL REPORT SHOWS NEED FOR CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION OF DNC HACK (https://theintercept.com/2017/01/06/underwhelming-intel-report-shows-need-for-congressional-investigation-of-dnc-hack/)
Glenn Greenwald on "Dearth of Evidence" Linking Russia to WikiLeaks Release of DNC Emails (https://www.democracynow.org/2017/1/5/glenn_greenwald_on_dearth_of_evidence)
And that's coming from respected progressive journalists.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:03 AM
Dude, seriously? They caught him red handed. Have him on tape (or electronic equivalent) doing exactly what he said he didn't. It is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Wake up and smell the coffee man!
You're conflating two different issues. I never said Flynn wasn't guilty of talking with Russian officials. I said there is no proof that Russia hacked the DNC and swayed the election in favor of Trump.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 10:06 AM
No, you are. Flynn's lies are what I was referring to in the post you quoted.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:11 AM
No, you are. Flynn's lies are what I was referring to in the post you quoted.
You're the one who quoted me first. And I was referring to the alleged hacks of the DNC by Russia. That is what is usually meant when people reference Russian "involvement" in the election. It's what people like you have been saying for months. It was never about some phone call that nobody knew about until now.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:12 AM
My My, you seem a little upset.
You guys sure have a knack for seeing things which aren't there.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:15 AM
IMHO, were that true, he would have been publically castigated and thrown to the wolves as an example of Trump's transparency as the un-politician. Trump suffers no disloyalty, fools or disagreement.
Allowing Him to resign was the right thing to do.
Chris
02-14-2017, 10:16 AM
Yes I did. I feel trolling deserves no less. I'm happy to save you from yourself.
Do not alter quotes of posts and do not call members trolls.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:20 AM
Let's break this down as simply as possible.
Trump ran on a campaign of normalizing relations with Russia.
After Trump won the election, a high level official in his soon-to-be administration talked on the phone with a Russian diplomat about normalizing relations with Russia.
Typical Democrat reaction: ZOMG! TEH SMOKING GUN!
exotix
02-14-2017, 10:20 AM
Happening Now
Ok, let's divert Trump & Flynns' kind of High Treason usually carried out by capital punishment to repealing Obamacare with a non-existent replacement.
Trump Boot-Licker Paul Ryan currently trying to *fake news* us on his jumping ship.
http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1487086018/100_8515_evk3t2.jpg
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:23 AM
Talking on the phone with a Russian diplomat about diplomacy = high treason.
I believe that calls for a LOL
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:24 AM
So this is your admittance that Trump is not the invincible you thought he was?
When did I ever claim that he was invincible? Do you guys just make shit up as you go?
Do you just assume that people are in 100% agreement with Trump because that's the way you are with your partisan based choices? And if one isn't 100% opposed to everything Trump does or says, do you assume that translates into mind-numbed support?
Safety
02-14-2017, 10:26 AM
Responding to your posts on a public forum is "nipping at your ankles"? Since when?
Yea, it's the type of responding that makes it nipping.
Safety
02-14-2017, 10:27 AM
Safety's post is typical dishonest crap.
Nipping again.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:27 AM
Yea, it's the type of responding that makes it nipping.
In other words, responses that call out your bullshit.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:28 AM
Nipping again.
You call it nipping. I call it truth.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:28 AM
Let's break this down as simply as possible.
Trump ran on a campaign of normalizing relations with Russia.
After Trump won the election, a high level official in his soon-to-be administration talked on the phone with a Russian diplomat about normalizing relations with Russia.
Typical Democrat reaction: ZOMG! TEH SMOKING GUN!
Had Flynn not lied about it, he would still be part of Trump's cabinet today. He basically lied about something which he didn't need to lie about.
That's generally the way it goes. The lie itself is what gets one in trouble, not the substance of the lie.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:30 AM
Had Flynn not lied about it, he would still be part of Trump's cabinet today. He basically lied about something which he didn't need to lie about.
That's generally the way it goes. The lie itself is what gets one in trouble, not the substance of the lie.
I agree. He had no reason to lie. Trump made it clear to the American electorate that he wanted to normalize relations with Russia. Flynn was simply following through on that promise. If he hadn't lied about it, this would be a non-issue.
Safety
02-14-2017, 10:31 AM
In other words, responses that call out your bullshit.
Only to responses you don't agree with.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 10:31 AM
Not doing your work for you. Tighten up.
Stop making claims you cannot support. Tighten up.
Subdermal
02-14-2017, 10:33 AM
Changing quotes is against forum rules.
So was your post, but I guess that part is ok with you.
suds00
02-14-2017, 10:33 AM
the beginning of the end
exotix
02-14-2017, 10:33 AM
Happening Now
House GOP response to Flynn Resignation ~ *Laughs, giggles, repeal Obamacare and have a Happy Valentines Day*
Man O man ... LOL
http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1487086600/100_8509_hfktkx.jpg
Safety
02-14-2017, 10:34 AM
Stop making claims you cannot support. Tighten up.
You made an accusation, prove it.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:35 AM
I agree. He had no reason to lie. Trump made it clear to the American electorate that he wanted to normalize relations with Russia. Flynn was simply following through on that promise. If he hadn't lied about it, this would be a non-issue.
I agree. There was nothing wrong with an incoming official reaching out to the Russians. He lied about something where the truth would have made it a non issue and infuriated the hard left.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 10:37 AM
Only to responses you don't agree with.
Yes, that's typically how it works.
resister
02-14-2017, 10:39 AM
Wanting to improve relations with Russia was his sin, the left was bust cheering the march to war under the last admin. They seem disappointed the tides have turned.
Safety
02-14-2017, 10:40 AM
Yes, that's typically how it works.
So stop nipping then.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:43 AM
Happening Now
House GOP response to Flynn Resignation ~ *Laughs, giggles, repeal Obamacare and have a Happy Valentines Day
Right. Everthing doesn't come to a screeching halt because one person flames out.
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 10:44 AM
So was your post, but I guess that part is ok with you.
You may not have liked my post, but nothing about it violates forum rules.
exotix
02-14-2017, 10:45 AM
Right. Everthing doesn't come to a screeching halt because one person flames out.*Update*
Petraeus the felon is being considered for Flynns' replacement ?
Really ?
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 10:46 AM
Wanting to improve relations with Russia was his sin, the left was bust cheering the march to war under the last admin. They seem disappointed the tides have turned.
Conspiring with a foreign power was his sin. Haven't you been paying attention?
Crepitus
02-14-2017, 10:49 AM
Talking on the phone with a Russian diplomat about diplomacy = high treason.
I believe that calls for a LOL
Undermining the then current administration calls for a bit more than a "lol".
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 10:55 AM
*Update*
Petraeus the felon is being considered for Flynns' replacement ?
Really ?
Beyond bizarre. After the campaign and Trumps hammering of Clinton for mishandling secret information he now is considering someone who was actually convicted of giving such to his mistress? We live in strange times.
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 10:57 AM
I agree. There was nothing wrong with an incoming official reaching out to the Russians. He lied about something where the truth would have made it a non issue and infuriated the hard left.
We see it time and time again with pols. Its not the initial transgression that gets them, rather the coverup.
exotix
02-14-2017, 10:58 AM
Wanting to improve relations with Russia was his sin, the left was bust cheering the march to war under the last admin. They seem disappointed the tides have turned.Yes this is the mind of a conservative ... attempting to *normalize* High Treason and Crimes at the highest level of govt. ... and they haven't been in office a month.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:58 AM
We see it time and time again with pols. Its not the initial transgression that gets them, rather the coverup.
People seem to to have a real difficult time learning that lesson.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 10:59 AM
Yes this is the mind of a conservative ... attempting to *normalize* High Treason and Crimes at the highest level of govt. ... and they haven't been in office a month.
Except that there was no treason or crime there.
exotix
02-14-2017, 11:01 AM
Except that there was no treason or crime there.I think Gowdy needs to have another Benghazi Hearing to divert from all this.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 11:05 AM
Ok. Let's say you are right...so? Do you see those who are "Democrat party first" constantly flood the forum with sound bites about how "un-American" a president was, or how they are so ready to have a president that will put America first, or how it's time America was made great again? No, I didn't think so either, so please fly your red-herring in another direction, because I don't care for the distraction.
Hmmm. Democrat party first or Americans first?
Obama and the Left support IslamoNAZIs and Islamofascists ahead of Americans.
Obama and the left support illegal aliens over Americans.
Now we have an American President who supports Americans ahead of all others. And you call it a distraction.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 11:07 AM
I think Gowdy needs to have another Benghazi Hearing to divert from all this.
You might be on to something there.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 11:10 AM
Well, the problem is, Russia helped Trump win. Everyone here and on Mars knows if they had done everything they did for Trump, and instead did it for Clinton or some other faction had, the right would be all painted up with their Wolverine t-shirts and AR-15 in each hand ready to fight the Reds. The whole "Unless we know exactly how many Russians voted fir (sp) Trump illegally" or "how many votes did Russia sway in the election", would never be uttered.
Let's say Russia did try to influence the elections. What did they do?
They exposed the Democratic Party's corruption for all to see. They exposed the Leftmedia's corruption (still ongoing) for all to see. And today we are seeing the coup plotters within the Obama plants remaining in government and within the judicial system making every possible effort to overthrow the results of an election.
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 11:10 AM
Hmmm. Democrat party first or Americans first?
Obama and the Left support IslamoNAZIs and Islamofascists ahead of Americans.
Obama and the left support illegal aliens over Americans.
Now we have an American President who supports Americans ahead off all others. And you call it a distraction.
Based on the opinions you've expressed I would imagine you are quite bummed that Flynn is out of the picture. Now we need to see Bannon go.
birddog
02-14-2017, 11:12 AM
Flynn did nothing wrong initially, but lying to Pence was wrong. Leakers in the Bureaucracy need to be outed and fired.
Firing Flynn was the right thing to do proving Trump is much classier than Obama who would not fire people for much worse.
exotix
02-14-2017, 11:14 AM
Let's say Russia did try to influence the elections. What did they do?
They exposed the Democratic Party's corruption for all to see. They exposed the Leftmedia's corruption (still ongoing) for all to see.
And today we are seeing the coup plotters within the Obama plants remaining in government and within the judicial system making every possible effort to overthrow the results of an election.Got some names ?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 11:16 AM
Like how Obama was inadvertently caught on a hot mic telling the Russians he'd have more flexibility once he was re-elected?
So you do remember?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
exotix
02-14-2017, 11:16 AM
Flynn did nothing wrong initially, but lying to Pence was wrong. Leakers in the Bureaucracy need to be outed and fired.
Firing Flynn was the right thing to do proving Trump is much classier than Obama who would not fire people for much worse.... and to think to just up to a coup'la days ago Flynn was the most tremendous and fabulous national-security thing that ever happened to Trumpf ... not to mention the key player in getting Trumpf elected ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBAjhxjQ90
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 11:23 AM
So stop nipping then.
I will do what I like.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 11:24 AM
Conspiring with a foreign power was his sin. Haven't you been paying attention?
"Conspiring" with them to do what? Follow through on Trump's publicly stated intention to normalized relations with Russia?
STOP THE PRESSES!
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 11:25 AM
Got some names ?
I believe I heard the Congress is asking the FBI to investigate. I hope we will have plenty of names.
On general principle, I would fire everyone above mid-grade in the NSA and CIA. Start over.
Ethereal
02-14-2017, 11:27 AM
Undermining the then current administration calls for a bit more than a "lol".
Trump won the election. He was about to assume the presidency in a few weeks. It's perfectly normal for an incoming administration to start laying the groundwork in preparation for that.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 11:28 AM
Based on the opinions you've expressed I would imagine you are quite bummed that Flynn is out of the picture. Now we need to see Bannon go.
No single player is important. But look at what the Left had to do. It spied on Americans. It compromised the spying, and it damaged this administration and our intelligence gathering against enemies other than the Trump Administration.
exotix
02-14-2017, 11:37 AM
I believe I heard the Congress is asking the FBI to investigate. I hope we will have plenty of names.
On general principle, I would fire everyone above mid-grade in the NSA and CIA. Start over.In other words you have no names ... just the same 'ol conspiracy theories and fake news that has become your existence ... LOL
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 11:40 AM
I believe I heard the Congress is asking the FBI to investigate. I hope we will have plenty of names.
In other words you have no names ... just the same 'ol conspiracy theories and fake news that has become your existence ... LOL
When the names come I do hope we will prosecute with the goal, of putting the coup plotters in prison for the rest of their lives. Then we can go after the coup sheep.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Crepitus
Conspiring with a foreign power was his sin. Haven't you been paying attention?
"Conspiring" with them to do what? Follow through on Trump's publicly stated intention to normalized relations with Russia?
STOP THE PRESSES!
There was no conspiracy. Flynn was the incoming national security adviser to the next POTUS. He violated no law by meeting with the Russians setting the table for future dealings. In fact, it was the prudent thing to do.
His mistake was that he initially lied to his boss about some of the content of that meeting. Had he been truthful in his representation of that meeting when he briefed the VP, he would have had no problems.
exotix
02-14-2017, 11:46 AM
I believe I heard the Congress is asking the FBI to investigate. I hope we will have plenty of names.
When the names come I do hope we will prosecute with the goal, of putting the coup plotters in prison for the rest of their lives. Then we can go after the coup sheep.Are you capable of comprehending on what's going here ?
In addition to consorting with and consoling Putin on sanctions the Obama Admin levied on Russia for its spys who could have easily been put to death ... Flynn also gave Putin the go ahead and escalate its expansion (military operations) in the Ukraine and Crimea ...
This is the blackmail against Flynn Putin would have used to do god knows what ... and this is why Western-Europe is outraged ... they will never forget what Stalin did ... and this is the reason for NATO.
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 11:51 AM
There was no conspiracy. Flynn was the incoming national security adviser to the next POTUS. He violated no law by meeting with the Russians setting the table for future dealings. In fact, it was the prudent thing to do.
His mistake was that he initially lied to his boss about some of the content of that meeting. Had he been truthful in his representation of that meeting when he briefed the VP, he would have had no problems.
Actually he probably did violate the Logan act but that hasn't been enforced since who knows when. Once again its not the act but rather the denial that go him in trouble. Whats going to be interesting now is the inevitable question of what Trump knew and when did he know it. Apparently the DOJ sent their memo warning of Flynns vulnerability to the administration a couple to few weeks ago. Over the weekend Trump played dumb when asked about all of this. That's just strange. We don't know a lot of the specifics of this whole mess but a mess it is. Regardless of who's "team" you are on this administration is not off to a good start because of all this chaos with the left hand at the very least not be aware of what the right hand is doing.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 11:55 AM
I believe I heard the Congress is asking the FBI to investigate. I hope we will have plenty of names.
When the names come I do hope we will prosecute with the goal, of putting the coup plotters in prison for the rest of their lives. Then we can go after the coup sheep.
Are you capable of comprehending on what's going here ?
Yes. Yes I am. I am aware you place a space between the end of the sentence and its punctuation. By now you should know better.
I am aware the Left coup plotters are attempting a coup against the American people. I am aware the coup sheep love the coup attempt. The coup plotters need to be identified, captured, indicted, tried, convicted, and executed. The sheep will scatter.
In addition to consorting with and consoling Putin on sanctions the Obama Admin levied on Russia for its spys who could have easily been put to death ... Flynn also gave Putin the go ahead and escalate its expansion (military operations) in the Ukraine and Crimea ...
You go well beyond the facts as you frequently do. Flynn's comments could have been as innocent as responding to a question about the sanctions by saying Trump wants improved relations with Russia.
This is the blackmail against Flynn Putin would have used to do god knows what ... and this is why Western-Europe is outraged ... they will never forget what Stalin did ... and this is the reason for NATO.
How would better relations with Russia lead to blackmail?
If the European nations cared they would defend themselves. Why don't they?
exotix
02-14-2017, 11:57 AM
I believe I heard the Congress is asking the FBI to investigate. I hope we will have plenty of names.
When the names come I do hope we will prosecute with the goal, of putting the coup plotters in prison for the rest of their lives. Then we can go after the coup sheep.
Yes. Yes I am. I am aware you place a space between the end of the sentence and its punctuation. By now you should know better.
I am aware the Left coup plotters are attempting a coup against the American people. I am aware the coup sheep love the coup attempt. The coup plotters need to be identified, captured, indicted, tried, convicted, and executed. The sheep will scatter.
You go well beyond the facts as you frequently do. Flynn's comments could have been as innocent as responding to a question about the sanctions by saying Trump wants improved relations with Russia.
How would better relations with Russia lead to blackmail?
If the European nations cared they would defend themselves. Why don't they?Stick to Hillary email hysterics ... you're utterly lost without 'em ... LOL
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:01 PM
Stick to Hillary email hysterics ... you're utterly lost without 'em ... LOL
The Crooked Hillary email server compromised our human intelligence activities. Clinton still needs to be executed by the state for the damage she caused the nation.
That is not relevant to this discussion. I have noticed when you run short on argument you change the subject.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 12:04 PM
You guys sure have a knack for seeing things which aren't there.
Trump isn't there. All his picks aren't there. They are somewhere but it isn't where they should be.
AZ Jim
02-14-2017, 12:05 PM
Stick to Hillary email hysterics ... you're utterly lost without 'em ... LOLThis guy is amazing in his beliefs.
exotix
02-14-2017, 12:06 PM
The Crooked Hillary email server compromised our human intelligence activities. Clinton still needs to be executed by the state for the damage she caused the nation.
That is not relevant to this discussion. I have noticed when you run short on argument you change the subject.Don't try to make sense of all this ... there is no such thing as making sense of lies to cover-up for lies ... such as what you're witnessing here with Trump and Flynn ...
... in the end ... all Nixon could do was wave peace signs and state *I'm no Crook* on his way out ... LOL
Beevee
02-14-2017, 12:07 PM
When did I ever claim that he was invincible? Do you guys just make $#@! up as you go?
Do you just assume that people are in 100% agreement with Trump because that's the way you are with your partisan based choices? And if one isn't 100% opposed to everything Trump does or says, do you assume that translates into mind-numbed support?
It didn't stop conservatives painting every liberal with the same brush under the previous administration.
Don't like it?
Tough! If you voted for him, you own him just like he owns you.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 12:09 PM
Had Flynn not lied about it, he would still be part of Trump's cabinet today. He basically lied about something which he didn't need to lie about.
That's generally the way it goes. The lie itself is what gets one in trouble, not the substance of the lie.
You then accept that Trump lies? And on a regular basis?
Or you don't?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:12 PM
Don't try to make sense of all this ... there is no such thing as making sense of lies to cover-up for lies ... such as what you're witnessing here with Trump and Flynn ...
... in the end ... all Nixon could do was wave peace signs and state *I'm no Crook* on his way out ... LOL
No one can make sense of your utterings. You are exo.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 12:12 PM
*Update*
Petraeus the felon is being considered for Flynns' replacement ?
Really ?
It's a likely replacement since each have the morals of the other.
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 12:12 PM
The Crooked Hillary email server compromised our human intelligence activities. Clinton still needs to be executed by the state for the damage she caused the nation.
That is not relevant to this discussion. I have noticed when you run short on argument you change the subject.
I would assume that by your taking of this position that in your opinion Patreus should not be considered. Is that the case?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:13 PM
This guy is amazing in his beliefs.
If by "this guy" you mean MisterVeritis, it is true. I am amazing in my beliefs.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:13 PM
Actually he probably did violate the Logan act but that hasn't been enforced since who knows when. Once again its not the act but rather the denial that go him in trouble. Whats going to be interesting now is the inevitable question of what Trump knew and when did he know it. Apparently the DOJ sent their memo warning of Flynns vulnerability to the administration a couple to few weeks ago. Over the weekend Trump played dumb when asked about all of this. That's just strange. We don't know a lot of the specifics of this whole mess but a mess it is. Regardless of who's "team" you are on this administration is not off to a good start because of all this chaos with the left hand at the very least not be aware of what the right hand is doing.
It wasn't a violation of the Logan Act. It doesn't matter what Trump knew and when he knew it. There was no violation of the law to be concerned about.
Whether or not the administration is off to a good start or bad start is simply a partisan view. I think that Trump is off to a mixed start. Some good, some not so good. This is the worst thing that's happened so far and it's not catastrophic by any means. I expected someone to be replaced at some point. It's not as though things like this are rare.
Things come out about people when they are put in these positions. Things they often wish were kept secret.
Some people are going to find nation destroying failure in everything he does. Others will see everything as a screaming success. I prefer to see things as they are.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:15 PM
I would assume that by your taking of this position that in your opinion Patreus should not be considered. Is that the case?
I certainly would not replace him with Patraeus. That would be a mistake. However, the Democrats are going to object to anyone he selects.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 12:15 PM
Let's say Russia did try to influence the elections. What did they do?
They exposed the Democratic Party's corruption for all to see. They exposed the Leftmedia's corruption (still ongoing) for all to see. And today we are seeing the coup plotters within the Obama plants remaining in government and within the judicial system making every possible effort to overthrow the results of an election.
I trust you are intelligent enough to accept they also have dirt on Trump and the GOP.
When Trump steps out of line, they will bury him.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:16 PM
It didn't stop conservatives painting every liberal with the same brush under the previous administration.
Don't like it?
Tough! If you voted for him, you own him just like he owns you.
The right people voted for Trump. That is why he is the President. The Democrats were not able to figure out where they needed to cheat to win. Fortunately, figuring out where one must cheat, is not a simple task.
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 12:16 PM
It wasn't a violation of the Logan Act. It doesn't matter what Trump knew and when he knew it. There was no violation of the law to be concerned about.
Whether or not the administration is off to a good start or bad start is simply a partisan view. I think that Trump is off to a mixed start. Some good, some not so good. This is the worst thing that's happened so far and it's not catastrophic by any means. I expected someone to be replaced at some point. It's not as though things like this are rare.
Things come out about people when they are put in these positions. Things they often wish were kept secret.
Some people are going to find nation destroying failure in everything he does. Others will see everything as a screaming success. I prefer to see things as they are.
Well, not that it really matters in the overall scope but based on what I read he did violate the Logan act by "negotiating" with a foreign entity as a civilian. I guess that will come down to semantics as to what "negotiate" means. That is neither here nor the there though.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 12:18 PM
The right people voted for Trump. That is why he is the President. The Democrats were not able to figure out where they needed to cheat to win. Fortunately, figuring out where one must cheat, is not a simple task.
Indeed they did. The result is a comedy act being watched in over 200 countries.
Congratulations!
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 12:19 PM
One things for sure and that's losing the job after only 23 days is probably some kind of record.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:19 PM
The Crooked Hillary email server compromised our human intelligence activities. Clinton still needs to be executed by the state for the damage she caused the nation.
That is not relevant to this discussion. I have noticed when you run short on argument you change the subject.
I would assume that by your taking of this position that in your opinion Petraeus should not be considered. Is that the case?
If you start a thread on the differences between Crook Hillary's massive compromise of human intelligence information versus Petraeus' compromise I will follow.
This thread is not about that.
AZ Jim
02-14-2017, 12:21 PM
If by "this guy" you mean MisterVeritis, it is true. I am amazing in my beliefs.I mean you and it is amazing that you are so convinced there's wisdom in your hateful comments.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:23 PM
One things for sure and that's losing the job after only 23 days is probably some kind of record.
There have been others who were appointed to be treasury secretary who were discovered to have cheated on their income tax for years and years or a justice to the Supreme Court who hired illegal aliens as domestic help.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:24 PM
I mean you and it is amazing that you are so convinced there's wisdom in your hateful comments.
Is there any wisdom in your hateful comments?
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:29 PM
Well, not that it really matters in the overall scope but based on what I read he did violate the Logan act by "negotiating" with a foreign entity as a civilian. I guess that will come down to semantics as to what "negotiate" means. That is neither here nor the there though.
He didn't "negotiate" anything. He was a high ranking official of the next administration setting the table for future meetings. He wasn't negotiating anything. Calling his meeting a violation of the Logan Act is taking liberties with the truth.
But I will predict that the Democrats will say that Flynn's replacement is even a worse pick than Flynn. They will feel emboldened to fight harder against the next pick. They will get steamrolled when they do.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:36 PM
I trust you are intelligent enough to accept they also have dirt on Trump and the GOP.
When Trump steps out of line, they will bury him.
I tend to doubt it. I don't believe Trump is corrupt. Nor do I believe there was collusion between Trump and the media to support him.
The Wikileaks emails proved what many of us always suspected.
Trump will have a growing mountain of successes over his first term. If the Republicans support Trump they will be in power for the next fifty years. If not they can revert to minority status again, where they are comfortable.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:39 PM
If by "this guy" you mean MisterVeritis, it is true. I am amazing in my beliefs.
I mean you and it is amazing that you are so convinced there's wisdom in your hateful comments.
Thanks!
I am convinced Crooked did enormous damage to our human intelligence capability. I am convinced some people lost their lives because of her criminality. I am convinced she did more harm to us than Snowden. It will also last far longer. While Crooked lives, unpunished, no one will spy for us.
But you are an anti-American so you see holding Crooked accountable for her crimes against all Americans as hateful.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 12:39 PM
Trump isn't there. All his picks aren't there. They are somewhere but it isn't where they should be.
You must have two brains. The problem is that one is lost and the other is out looking for it.
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 12:50 PM
The Crooked Hillary email server compromised our human intelligence activities. Clinton still needs to be executed by the state for the damage she caused the nation.
That is not relevant to this discussion. I have noticed when you run short on argument you change the subject.
If you start a thread on the differences between Crook Hillary's massive compromise of human intelligence information versus Petraeus' compromise I will follow.
This thread is not about that.
Nice dodge. I don't agree with you on much but I do respect your skills. :rollseyes:
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 12:55 PM
Indeed they did. The result is a comedy act being watched in over 200 countries.
Congratulations!
Thank you.
We do not care what the rabble think.
How many countries do you think there are? Obama believed there are 58 states. Are you following in Obama's footsteps?
exotix
02-14-2017, 01:08 PM
*update*
http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1487095914/100_8518_gn4afn.jpg
exotix
02-14-2017, 01:19 PM
Happening Now
*Erosion of Trust* but not high-treason punishable by death ?
http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1487096572/100_8519_oacgcm.jpg
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 01:23 PM
Happening Now
*Erosion of Trust* but not high-treason punishable by death ?
What, in your opinion is "high-treason?" How does it differ from treason?
Feel free to change the subject if you need to.
exotix
02-14-2017, 01:26 PM
What, in your opinion is "high-treason?" How does it differ from treason?
Feel free to change the subject if you need to.Sure, go cry to someone else about executing Hillary ... she's a nobody now ... start crying about the capital punishment of Flynn ... a Soviet Spy who infiltrated the office of Americas' highest security.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 01:29 PM
Thank you.
We do not care what the rabble think.
How many countries do you think there are? Obama believed there are 58 states. Are you following in Obama's footsteps?
Clearly you are of the opinion there are less than 200 countries worldwide. It doesn't surprise me.
Delusion is infectious. Increasingly Republicans suffer from it a lot.
Safety
02-14-2017, 01:34 PM
You must have two brains. The problem is that one is lost and the other is out looking for it.
Yet, at his current state, he still has twice the brain you do.
Docthehun
02-14-2017, 01:37 PM
Clearly you are of the opinion there are less than 200 countries worldwide. It doesn't surprise me.
Delusion is infectious. Increasingly Republicans suffer from it a lot.
America has a trade surplus with 131 countries and a deficit with about 100.
Docthehun
02-14-2017, 01:38 PM
Personally, I think Flynn was executing orders and takes one for the team.
exotix
02-14-2017, 01:41 PM
Personally, I think Flynn was executing orders and takes one for the team.The first rule is that with Flynn's resignation, he can't be questioned until subpoena'd by the FBI and DOJ ...
This is important, this isn't going away ... it can only go away if Trump fires every single person in the FBI and DOJ.
exotix
02-14-2017, 01:44 PM
WH Press Sec. Sean Spicer now actually blaming it all on *Whitehouse Leaks* ... as if Trump is now immune to host of crimes because of his own people ... LOL
nic34
02-14-2017, 01:45 PM
I'm glad he's gone. Flynn's theatrics with regards to Iran were extremely worrisome and counterproductive. Granted, Trump will probably replace him with another anti-Iranian hawk, but it's still nice to see Flynn go.
If you listen carefully you might hear Hillary saying, LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP....
decedent
02-14-2017, 02:34 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4oV2agUoAAPq-3.jpg
Captain Obvious
02-14-2017, 02:45 PM
On NPR now, he was fired.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 02:51 PM
Yet, at his current state, he still has twice the brain you do.
which puts you in a negative state.
decedent
02-14-2017, 03:01 PM
SPICER: Flynn did nothing wrong.
PRESS CORPS: Then why did he lie about it?
SPICER: Let's take a Skype question.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 03:31 PM
One thing every American can be sure if. They won't get the truth from a Trump administration.
But isn't that supposed to be the object of democracy in the Republic? That the nation is told the truth? That they can face the truth? And that no other nation dares to reveal the truth?
What went wrong?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 03:33 PM
One thing every American can be sure if. They won't get the truth from a Trump administration.
But isn't that supposed to be the object of democracy in the Republic? That the nation is told the truth? That they can face the truth? And that no other nation dares to reveal the truth?
What went wrong?
What do you believe the truth is?
Beevee
02-14-2017, 03:35 PM
That Trump is a serial liar. Why is that not obvious to his basket of deplorables?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 03:42 PM
That Trump is a serial liar. Why is that not obvious to his basket of deplorables?
So the truth you find in the Flynn resignation is that Trump is a liar? Fascinating.
What I see is the truth is someone in the intelligence community illegally - unlawfully - spied on an American citizen in violation of Flynn's Constitutional rights. No outrage? Leftists? Whoever did it needs to be found, identified, indicted, tried, and imprisoned for a very long time. Since it took more than one person we need to start with the top person at the time and work our way down the chain of command to the collector and imprison them all.
Common Sense
02-14-2017, 03:45 PM
This is potentially far more serious than using the wrong email server...not to mention reading intel reports in front guests in Trump's dining room as they provided light and took pictures with their phones.
Captain Obvious
02-14-2017, 03:47 PM
lol
Safety
02-14-2017, 03:47 PM
This is potentially far more serious than using the wrong email server...not to mention reading intel reports in front guests in Trump's dining room as they provided light and took pictures with their phones.
You won't hear a peep from the forum's crusaders of justice that created thread after thread about the email server and how soon she was going to be publicly executed for her crimes. Standing by to be proven wrong....
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 03:48 PM
This is potentially far more serious than using the wrong email server...not to mention reading intel reports in front guests in Trump's dining room as they provided light and took pictures with their phones.
Crooked did not use the wrong server. Crooked, in an attempt to conceal her criminal activities, set up an unauthorized server outside the government channels and unprotected by competent security professionals. Then Crooked Hillary received classified materials on that server, exposing all of her emails (more than 60,000 of them) to foreign intelligence services.
But you already know all of this. So why do you continue to lie about it?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 03:50 PM
You won't hear a peep from the forum's crusaders of justice that created thread after thread about the email server and how soon she was going to be publicly executed for her crimes. Standing by to be proven wrong....
You are as bad as common sense. You know the truth. Why do you continue to lie about it?
What do you believe LTG Flynn did that was wrong?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 03:51 PM
You won't hear a peep from the forum's crusaders of justice that created thread after thread about the email server and how soon she was going to be publicly executed for her crimes. Standing by to be proven wrong....
I believe Crooked's execution should follow the federal protocol. I believe there should be witnesses. That is not the same as a public execution. Not that I would oppose seeing Hillary hang in public.
You are as bad as common sense. You know the truth. Why do you continue to lie about it?
What do you believe LTG Flynn did that was wrong?
violated the logan act
lied about it
not too complicated- the same shit the traitors reagan and nixon did in iran and viet nam, respectively.
it's how republicans roll- they offer aid and comfort to the enemies of the united states
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 03:53 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4oV2agUoAAPq-3.jpg
When it comes to memes, for the radical leftists, size matters.
Safety
02-14-2017, 03:53 PM
You are as bad as common sense. You know the truth. Why do you continue to lie about it?
What do you believe LTG Flynn did that was wrong?
To be honest, I have no clue until an investigation is done and all information about what he said or promised is known. Which should have been the correct response the last two years for you.
See how it's done?
Beevee
02-14-2017, 03:53 PM
So the truth you find in the Flynn resignation is that Trump is a liar? Fascinating.
What I see is the truth is someone in the intelligence community illegally - unlawfully - spied on an American citizen in violation of Flynn's Constitutional rights. No outrage? Leftists? Whoever did it needs to be found, identified, indicted, tried, and imprisoned for a very long time. Since it took more than one person we need to start with the top person at the time and work our way down the chain of command to the collector and imprison them all.
What a good idea. Spying on Americans by the Administration should cease immediately.
Trump should repeal the Patriot Act.
You obviously would agree with that since wiretaps on every US citizen who could be a danger are authorized under it and an assumption is all that's needed to put it into effect.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 03:57 PM
violated the logan act
How did LTG Flynn violate the Logan Act? What are you alleging?
lied about it
No. LTG Flynn did not lie about violating the Logan Act. He could not recall discussing Obama's ill-advised, idiotic sanctions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZbf4WxHkcI
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:01 PM
not too complicated- the same shit the traitors reagan and nixon did in iran and viet nam, respectively.
it's how republicans roll- they offer aid and comfort to the enemies of the united states
Which enemy country? What war are we fighting?
I get it. The Leftists, in general, have no idea what treason is. Good job.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:04 PM
What a good idea. Spying on Americans by the Administration should cease immediately.
Trump should repeal the Patriot Act.
You obviously would agree with that since wiretaps on every US citizen who could be a danger are authorized under it and an assumption is all that's needed to put it into effect.
Silly rabbit. Trump cannot repeal a law. You are not an American so it is no wonder you are confused. In that regard, you are very similar to our home-grown anti-Americans. They lack the same clues you lack.
Yes. Spying on Americans must be stopped.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 04:04 PM
How did LTG Flynn violate the Logan Act? What are you alleging?
No. LTG Flynn did not lie about violating the Logan Act. He could not recall discussing Obama's ill-advised, idiotic sanctions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZbf4WxHkcI
Do you actually believe what you are writing?
In essence you are perfectly happy to not believe that Hillary didn't recall a conversation but believe the opposite when a Republican does the same.
How hypocritical is that?
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 04:07 PM
There was no violation of the Logan Act. Flynn wasn't negotiating anything on behalf of the United States government. He was merely setting the stage for further diplomatic discussions in the future. That is something I'm sure every incoming administration has done since the WWI era.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 04:08 PM
Silly rabbit. Trump cannot repeal a law. You are not an American so it is no wonder you are confused. In that regard, you are very similar to our home-grown anti-Americans. they lack the same clues you lack.
Yes. Spying on Americans must be stopped.
So this your response. Attack the messenger and not the message. Actually you deserve the administration that you have since they can walk all over you and you say they shouldn't but voted for them nevertheless. Why did you vote for something you don't believe in? Canadians wouldn't do that.
Bethere
02-14-2017, 04:10 PM
There was no violation of the Logan Act. Flynn wasn't negotiating anything on behalf of the United States government. He was merely setting the stage for further diplomatic discussions in the future. That is something I'm sure every incoming administration has done since the WWI era.
How do you know that? Clairvoyant? Have you seen the transcripts?
Or are you just carrying water?
How do you know that? Clairvoyant? Have you seen the transcripts?
Or are you just carrying water?
he's in the know.
just ask him
decedent
02-14-2017, 04:14 PM
This is potentially far more serious than using the wrong email server...not to mention reading intel reports in front guests in Trump's dining room as they provided light and took pictures with their phones.
Nancy Pelosi's comment on this was priceless.
17254
decedent
02-14-2017, 04:15 PM
How do you know that? Clairvoyant? Have you seen the transcripts?
Or are you just carrying water?
We all recognize propaganda from partisan hacks when we see it.
Bethere
02-14-2017, 04:16 PM
Nancy Pelosi's comment on this was priceless.
17254
Nancy is awesome, they wouldn't hate her so much if that were not the case.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:17 PM
Do you actually believe what you are writing?
In essence you are perfectly happy to not believe that Hillary didn't recall a conversation but believe the opposite when a Republican does the same.
How hypocritical is that?
How hypocritical indeed. You believe every lie from the Crooked Queen's mouth. Every lie. You excuse every illegal act. But Flynn, who is working 20 hour days seven days a week cannot recall discussing sanctions with the Russian ambassador. I believe it may have been as simple as responding to the question, "what about the sanctions?" "President Trump wants to build a better relationship with Russia."
Flynn should have had a stenographer take notes during the call. Sometimes even an innocent mistake can be fatal. It happens. We move on.
hanger4
02-14-2017, 04:17 PM
violated the logan act
lied about it
not too complicated- the same shit the traitors reagan and nixon did in iran and viet nam, respectively.
it's how republicans roll- they offer aid and comfort to the enemies of the united states
"violated the logan act"
No he didn't. Flynn wasn’t a “private citizen” but rather a public official. He was an official member of the presidential transition team and designee to be the National Secretary Advisor.
So there's that.
Bethere
02-14-2017, 04:18 PM
How hypocritical indeed. You believe every lie from the Crooked Queen's mouth. Every lie. You excuse every illegal act. But Flynn, who is working 20 hour days seven days a week cannot recall discussing sanctions with the Russian ambassador. I believe it may have been as simple as responding to the question, "what about the sanctions?" "President Trump wants to build a better relationship with Russia."
Flynn should have had a stenographer take notes during the call. Sometimes even an innocent mistake can be fatal. It happens. We move on.
Flynn is unemployed. Please make a note of it.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:19 PM
Silly rabbit. Trump cannot repeal a law. You are not an American so it is no wonder you are confused. In that regard, you are very similar to our home-grown anti-Americans. they lack the same clues you lack.
Yes. Spying on Americans must be stopped.
So this your response. Attack the messenger and not the message. Actually you deserve the administration that you have since they can walk all over you and you say they shouldn't but voted for them nevertheless. Why did you vote for something you don't believe in? Canadians wouldn't do that.
Pay attention. I am trying to educate you and the rest of the anti-American leftists.
I am delighted Trump won. You continue to be confused. Do you think your perpetual confusion is why you are a Leftist?
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:20 PM
Flynn should have had a stenographer take notes during the call. Sometimes even an innocent mistake can be fatal. It happens. We move on.
Flynn is unemployed. Please make a note of it.
No shit, Sherlock? What interpretation did you have for the last three sentences above?
Safety
02-14-2017, 04:21 PM
How do you know that? Clairvoyant? Have you seen the transcripts?
Or are you just carrying water?
I'll take bucket carrying for $1000, Alex.
Beevee
02-14-2017, 04:21 PM
Wow! If Trump told you his administration worked 25 hours a day for 367 days a year you would believe that too.
It's pathetic really, that you defend the indefensible and have the audacity to claim I did the same when it's you that has a vote and me that doesn't.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:24 PM
Wow! If Trump told you his administration worked 25 hours a day for 367 days a year you would believe that too.
It's pathetic really, that you defend the indefensible and have the audacity to claim I did the same when it's you that has a vote and me that doesn't.
Do you need help with the quote function?
If the women upstairs on the main floor won't help seek out some other adult.
nic34
02-14-2017, 04:24 PM
How hypocritical indeed. You believe every lie from the Crooked Queen's mouth. Every lie. You excuse every illegal act. But Flynn, who is working 20 hour days seven days a week cannot recall discussing sanctions with the Russian ambassador. I believe it may have been as simple as responding to the question, "what about the sanctions?" "President Trump wants to build a better relationship with Russia."
Flynn should have had a stenographer take notes during the call. Sometimes even an innocent mistake can be fatal. It happens. We move on.
Maybe he should have put it in an EMAIL!
LOL!
Bethere
02-14-2017, 04:26 PM
Do you need help with the quote function?
If the women upstairs on the main floor won't help seek out some other adult.
Make it personal! You must be doing well.
Tahuyaman
02-14-2017, 04:28 PM
How do you know that? Clairvoyant? Have you seen the transcripts?
Or are you just carrying water?
Have you? Just what new policy did he negotiate with the Russians?
He wasn't forced to resign because he committed a crime. He was asked to resign because he lied to his boss about one aspect of his meeting. That means that his character is now in question.
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 04:28 PM
Personally, I think Flynn was executing orders and takes one for the team.
Yep. What did The Salesman know and when did he know it?
nic34
02-14-2017, 04:29 PM
"violated the logan act"
No he didn't. Flynn wasn’t a “private citizen” but rather a public official. He was an official member of the presidential transition team and designee to be the National Secretary Advisor.
So there's that.
Ok, so there's those so-called official, public official dezig-nations.... so what! lol!
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:29 PM
Maybe he should have put it in an EMAIL!
LOL!
He was still a private citizen. I doubt he had access to a secure server. And his name is not Clinton so that option was not available. Contemporaneous notes could have bolstered Flynn's case. It does not matter. Flynn is gone.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:30 PM
Make it personal! You must be doing well.
On some days I do not suffer fools lightly. I am doing well. Thank you.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:33 PM
Nancy Pelosi's comment on this was priceless.
17254
What international crisis does Pelosi refer to? Pelosi is a very powerful fool. I hope in two years Pelosi will be a far less powerful fool.
MisterVeritis
02-14-2017, 04:33 PM
We all recognize propaganda from partisan hacks when we see it.
We certainly do!
ripmeister
02-14-2017, 04:34 PM
What do you believe the truth is?
Its not what one "believes". The truth is the truth, not a belief. Having said that we don't know yet what the actual truth is. Hopefully we'll find out.
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